After the Blackest Night, comes the Brightest Day!

[WizKidsNECA]

Hello HeroClixer’s!With just a week to go, there’s been a lot of buzz regarding the Brightest Day Action Pack. What better way to celebrate its impending release than by showcasing some of the figures?!
http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=1116&pictureid=12946

[Read More on WizKidsGames.com (http://wizkidsgames.com/blog/2010/10/20/after-the-blackest-night-comes-the-brightest-day/)]

[red king]

Put her helmet back on!

[Clclix]

Well, although all dials are spoiled, Still excited!

Bring on the DC 75th previews!

[Theme Man]

Yes.....can't wait!

:cool:

[Quebbster]

Dial
#004 E Hawkgirl
Team: No Affiliation
Range: 0 :bolt:
Points: 71
Keywords: Brightest Day, Warrior
m-winga-normald-normalg-normal101117310101721110163111016391016299152KOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKO

Trait: Master Aerial Combatant: When Hawkgirl attacks a character who can use the Flight ability, modify her attack and damage values by +1 until the end of your turn.

[Adraeko]

Is the store finder link new? It did not show events, but it did show my local stores.

[Munchoboy]

Is the store finder link new? It did not show events, but it did show my local stores.

Store finder feature has been on the WK/HC website for a while now. It is good to see it featured in the articles though, as it puts some emphasis on finding a place to play!

I hope that this will lead to a system similiar to the old website, wherein one could actually find scheduled events. *sigh* some day... :classic:


ANYhow, it's good to see some official previews. This isn't to say that that spoiled dials weren't awesome, it's just nice to see WK getting these out. Hopefully that ball will keep on a-rolling!

[snatreaper]

OK, I'll be the first to say it: Too little, too late WizKids! You're thunder has been stolen on this product because you waited to long to do official previews. Quit the slow bleed of Print & Play for WoS. If you still have more stuff there, get it released already! And move on to DC 75th.

It's annoying when we have to get all of or NEW NEWS from outside outlets. It really feels like you're not even trying to be current with your new products. Heck I already have all of the Brightest Day dials posted in the figure gallery on Al's Clix Cave (http://www.continuumedia.com/clix_cave/tb2/UnitList.cfm?VersionID=2&SetID=50&KeyDisplay=1) (since they were spoiled 2 days ago).

[A_Higher_Level]

I like Hawkgirl and can actually see myself playing her.

But I'm buying the pack because of Aquaman.

:)

[saturnflight]

I didn't find any WI stores, so hopefully they'll get registered soon! This article should bring attention to the store finder, and ideally get unregistered shops to sign up.

[Bat-Phreak]

Put her helmet back on!

Now we know where the Clobberin' Time artists are working... :confused:

[Munchoboy]

OK, I'll be the first to say it: Too little, too late WizKids! You're thunder has been stolen on this product because you waited to long to do official previews. Quit the slow bleed of Print & Play for WoS. If you still have more stuff there, get it released already! And move on to DC 75th.

It's annoying when we have to get all of or NEW NEWS from outside outlets. It really feels like you're not even trying to be current with your new products. Heck I already have all of the Brightest Day dials posted in the figure gallery on Al's Clix Cave (http://www.continuumedia.com/clix_cave/tb2/UnitList.cfm?VersionID=2&SetID=50&KeyDisplay=1) (since they were spoiled 2 days ago).

I don't disagree on several of your points. That said, can we at least agree that it's good to see WK posting with some consistency, regardless of how folk may agree or disagree with timing and what-not?

I for one am happy to see some consistent communication on the website and hope it's the start of something new.

I like Hawkgirl and can actually see myself playing her.

But I'm buying the pack because of Aquaman.

:)

Me too. Aquaman is cool.

That's right, I said it. :p

I didn't find any WI stores, so hopefully they'll get registered soon! This article should bring attention to the store finder, and ideally get unregistered shops to sign up.

Tell those stores to contact WK!!! :classic:

[DaeRave]

I already bought this set from a local store back on Saturday.

Kinda late for a promo aint it?

[Munchoboy]

I already bought this set from a local store back on Saturday.

Kinda late for a promo aint it?

Doesn't that break the release date? :confused:

[AngelofDarkness]

I love her dial!
Great, great!
Acquaman will be great too!

[ccs]

What the hell happened with the sculpt & paint job??

THIS is what you show to hype your product?

After recieving our feedback time & time again about such issues & seemingly making an attempt to improve on the black-dot eyes in the recent starter & WoS.... You give us this turd?

[krusticlese]

Doesn't that break the release date? :confused:

It's a balance thing. LOL. WK delayed the last 3 sets, that means we can buy early for the next 3!

[krusticlese]

Store finder feature has been on the WK/HC website for a while now. It is good to see it featured in the articles though, as it puts some emphasis on finding a place to play!


Also, this is assuming that once you actually submit your venue's info to be displayed (if it currently doesn't appear) that Wizkids will actually action that request and make your store searchable through their website.

*see my signature*

[Deathblossom]

OK, I'll be the first to say it: Too little, too late WizKids! You're thunder has been stolen on this product because you waited to long to do official previews. Quit the slow bleed of Print & Play for WoS. If you still have more stuff there, get it released already! And move on to DC 75th.

It's annoying when we have to get all of or NEW NEWS from outside outlets. It really feels like you're not even trying to be current with your new products. Heck I already have all of the Brightest Day dials posted in the figure gallery on Al's Clix Cave (http://www.continuumedia.com/clix_cave/tb2/UnitList.cfm?VersionID=2&SetID=50&KeyDisplay=1) (since they were spoiled 2 days ago).

I'm sort of between positions on this issue. On the one hand, having the dials spoiled already made the Hawkgirl reveal a bit underwhelming, and I would appreciate a bit more communication on the part of Wizkids.

(I was going to argue that I play hobby games put out by companies that are less communicative than NECA, but thinking about it, the only currently manufactured games that I play as frequently as Heroclix are Battletech and Call of Cthulhu LCG; Call of Cthulhu has card previews once a week, and Battletech has developers contribute regularly on their forums, post at least 3 canon paint jobs per week on Camospecs, and have a subscription tie-in fiction service with at least one novel-length pdf per month. Both of these games have MUCH smaller active fan bases than Heroclix. To put it in perspective, Battletech's starter set has been out of print for almost a year, and Call of Cthulhu had less than 20 people at their Gencon world championship this year, and the winner got to design a card!)

On the other hand, I don't expect Wizkids to compete with non-official sites spoiling their figures. After all the WoS spoilage at GenCon, I wasn't disappointed when Wizkids didn't have all of the WoS dials on their website the next morning. Additionally, Wizkids might be banking on the majority of their player base either not knowing about, or not regularly checking, fansites like HCRealms. For that (perhaps majority?) portion of their fans, this Hawkgirl dial is new, exciting information.

...that said, come on, Wizkids, pay somebody an hour of overtime a week to set up an official twitter feed and post a quick status update. What's going to be in stores that week, maybe a "there will be a new Superman in DC75th, and it's going to be awesome we think" blurb, a "it's our art director's birthday, we're having a cake shaped like Ultron" tweet... something. I refuse to believe that the hour of overtime you pay that employee won't be made back in sales when you increase the level of communication between you and your customers.

[snatreaper]

I don't disagree on several of your points. That said, can we at least agree that it's good to see WK posting with some consistency, regardless of how folk may agree or disagree with timing and what-not?

I for one am happy to see some consistent communication on the website and hope it's the start of something new.

Oh I'm glad there posting with some consistency, I'd just like them to be giving us information we don't already have as opposed to giving us info about stuff that we already know.

The funny thing is, I used to check the WizKids facebook page to see if WizKids posted any new information. Now I check it to see if ANYONE OTHER THAN WIZKIDS has posted new information. Case in point: they have all of the Brightest Day dials posted by someone else in there guest gallery. It just looks unprofessional.

[snatreaper]

...that said, come on, Wizkids, pay somebody an hour of overtime a week to set up an official twitter feed and post a quick status update. What's going to be in stores that week, maybe a "there will be a new Superman in DC75th, and it's going to be awesome we think" blurb, a "it's our art director's birthday, we're having a cake shaped like Ultron" tweet... something. I refuse to believe that the hour of overtime you pay that employee won't be made back in sales when you increase the level of communication between you and your customers.

Forget overtime. If I had any raw info and the means to post it, I'd freakin' do it for free (or for product) just to keep a consistent, professional flow of data. Heck, I wish they'd just let me get in there and clean up their figure gallery. I'm tired of Groot only having 6 clix, and Noh-var going nowhere.

[Munchoboy]

Oh I'm glad there posting with some consistency, I'd just like them to be giving us information we don't already have as opposed to giving us info about stuff that we already know.

In all fairness, the converse to your statement is that WK should have this info on their website in some fashion or another. Regardless of timing or how things were spoiled (first here, then there, etc...), one of the main criticisms (bordering on attacking WK) I've read here is the lack of frequent and relevant updates.

Now we certainly discuss what constitutes "relevant", but I prefer to wait and see what WK has in its plans, espcially since updates are now happening quite frequently.

As with many things, I remain optimistic. :classic:

[lancelot]

Looking like no delays so far.

[kuthell]

I'm happy to see WK not just taking up space on the interwebs and actually using it again. Go WizKids!

[mikeinmke]

{creeky old man's voice} i remember the day when the rule of thumb was that a 100-point character should have at least 1 click of :a-fist:10...

{today's voice} Hawkgirl's nuts... a starting :a-fist:11 (with Charge and Super Strength!) and the following 4 clicks at :a-fist:10 ?!?...

unless she came back from the dead with her powers tripled...

also: if she's such a great aerial combatant and flyer, then how about a more dynamic sculpt showing her in flight... too many sculpts lately feature characters standing statically, in my opinion...

[dantheman5999]

I wish she had a dynamic flying pose... o well her dial is good.

[DarkBlueAnt]

I'm actually hyped for this set, which surprises me because I'm not a DC guy and none of the characters are in action poses.

I can't explain why I like what I'm seeing so much. Maybe it's because after all these years I still don't own any version of Martian Manhunter or classic Aquaman.

[snatreaper]

In all fairness, the converse to your statement is that WK should have this info on their website in some fashion or another.

I agree they should have it on their site. I just wish that if they were going to release previews, they'd do so BEFORE everything has been spoiled.

[kuthell]

I'm actually hyped for this set, which surprises me because I'm not a DC guy and none of the characters are in action poses.

I can't explain why I like what I'm seeing so much. Maybe it's because after all these years I still don't own any version of Martian Manhunter or classic Aquaman.

In all fairness, does anyone own a good classic Aquaman?

[Munchoboy]

I agree they should have it on their site. I just wish that if they were going to release previews, they'd do so BEFORE everything has been spoiled.

I don't disagree (at least not entirely), and really, you probably should have quoted the entire statement as I go on to say:

Regardless of timing or how things were spoiled (first here, then there, etc...), one of the main criticisms (bordering on attacking WK) I've read here is the lack of frequent and relevant updates.


Now, if WK wanted the dials and what-not to be spoiled via another medium first, and then update their site with the info for folk who do not, say, frequent the Realms, that's a valid marketing strategy.

On the one hand, their hard-core fans are appeased (at least somewhat) by having the info they desire, and on the other WK is able to market their product differently to perhaps a different target altogether.

More and more, I am inclined to believe that perhaps the official WK/HC website is geared more to the casual or new fan than it may be to the hardcore fan (such as the posters here for example).

Thoughts?

[robedestroyer]

OK, I'll be the first to say it: Too little, too late WizKids! You're thunder has been stolen on this product because you waited to long to do official previews. Quit the slow bleed of Print & Play for WoS. If you still have more stuff there, get it released already! And move on to DC 75th.

It's annoying when we have to get all of or NEW NEWS from outside outlets. It really feels like you're not even trying to be current with your new products. Heck I already have all of the Brightest Day dials posted in the figure gallery on Al's Clix Cave (http://www.continuumedia.com/clix_cave/tb2/UnitList.cfm?VersionID=2&SetID=50&KeyDisplay=1) (since they were spoiled 2 days ago).

I'll second this. I made the same point when they gave us the breakthrough in ATA's known as the Outlaws yesterday. It's nice to be getting something, but it is silly. Either give us real previews, or just eliminate the expectations and don't give us previews at all. Obviously the latter would be an even worse decision from a marketing standpoint.

On point, this figure will be an excellent addition to many warrior teams. :)

[crazymike2501]

i still feel like i was robbed by the blackest night set... ( everyone still hates that sciencell map here) so i am not gonna get this set. however, i might trade for or buy deadman because he seems like he would work well...

and by the way wizkids, why oh why do you release sets or starters and not give the characters any team abilities? i mean come on, last time you gave us a green lantern without the team ability and now you give us justice league characters without a team abilitys!!! im looking through the blackest night PAC right now and counted 19 (NINETEEN) team abilities that could have been "somehow" incorporated into comic accurate descriptions. but NNNOOOOOOOO...

ps. you better make a darn good cyclops to make up for this...

[Munchoboy]

and by the way wizkids, why oh why do you release sets or starters and not give the characters any team abilities? i mean come on, last time you gave us a green lantern without the team ability and now you give us justice league characters without a team abilitys!!! im looking through the blackest night PAC right now and counted 19 (NINETEEN) team abilities that could have been "somehow" incorporated into comic accurate descriptions. but NNNOOOOOOOO...

Are you familiar with the Brightest Day source material? No one's participating on any teams right now. Seems to me that the figs are pretty accurate as a result.

[snatreaper]

Now, if WK wanted the dials and what-not to be spoiled via another medium first, and then update their site with the info for folk who do not, say, frequent the Realms, that's a valid marketing strategy.

On the one hand, their hard-core fans are appeased (at least somewhat) by having the info they desire, and on the other WK is able to market their product differently to perhaps a different target altogether.

More and more, I am inclined to believe that perhaps the official WK/HC website is geared more to the casual or new fan than it may be to the hardcore fan (such as the posters here for example).

Thoughts?

I guess you could say that they're trying to do something more along the lines of "viral" marketing, but what's happened with Brightest Day doesn't feel like that. It's not like with Hammer of Thor where we were getting a bunch of different previews from different sites, that were still official. That was actually pretty cool.

Then they came out with that script which was supposed to allow you to post dials that they had previewed into blogs and other sites, and that was a neat idea. However, they immediately quite posting the dials that way. Not only that, but they don't even bother to post the images when they do finally put the dials in their own galleries. It just seems like they do their best to do the bare minimum to appear to be keeping they're website relevant.

I even made a comment at my tournament on Monday night that it feels like the company is on the verge of shutting down again. I hope I'm wrong, but the lack of consistence. And doing things like saying they're going to make a big announcement that we don't hear about until 2 weeks later from a secondary source just doesn't give me a lot of confidence it what's going on over there.

[mr_obvious]

What is the advertised cost for a Brightest Day starter?

[snatreaper]

Are you familiar with the Brightest Day source material? No one's participating on any teams right now. Seems to me that the figs are pretty accurate as a result.

The same argument can be made for those complaining about the lack of team keywords. Personally I'm quite pleased with both the lack of team abilities and the keywords chosen for the characters in this set. I like that they included a Brightest Day keyword. I only which they retroactively granted some sort of keyword the the characters in the Blackest Night set.

[Munchoboy]

I guess you could say that they're trying to do something more along the lines of "viral" marketing, but what's happened with Brightest Day doesn't feel like that. It's not like with Hammer of Thor where we were getting a bunch of different previews from different sites, that were still official. That was actually pretty cool.

Then they came out with that script which was supposed to allow you to post dials that they had previewed into blogs and other sites, and that was a neat idea. However, they immediately quite posting the dials that way. Not only that, but they don't even bother to post the images when they do finally put the dials in their own galleries. It just seems like they do their best to do the bare minimum to appear to be keeping they're website relevant.

I even made a comment at my tournament on Monday night that it feels like the company is on the verge of shutting down again. I hope I'm wrong, but the lack of consistence. And doing things like saying they're going to make a big announcement that we don't hear about until 2 weeks later from a secondary source just doesn't give me a lot of confidence it what's going on over there.

I won't dispute your conclusion outside of that I arrive at a different one based upon the same evidence.

re: Viral marketing. Viral marketing does not rely upon "official" anything necessarily. I am a marketer by profession and do a lot of viral and guerilla marketing. That said, I've no issue with things being spoiled via other sources first (whether it seems "official" or not is irrelevant to the actual marketing strategy).

Regardless, the tact has had the desired effect; the consumers are excited for the product.

[snatreaper]

I won't dispute your conclusion outside of that I arrive at a different one based upon the same evidence.

re: Viral marketing. Viral marketing does not rely upon "official" anything necessarily. I am a marketer by profession and do a lot of viral and guerilla marketing. That said, I've no issue with things being spoiled via other sources first (whether it seems "official" or not is irrelevant to the actual marketing strategy).

Regardless, the tact has had the desired effect; the consumers are excited for the product.

Fair enough, but the problem with the Brightest Day leak is that it seems like someone just got it early and posted the dials. In my opinion, Viral Marketing is only good if it doesn't cause you to lose faith in the parent company, while getting one excited about the product. Unfortunately, I think that's the component that WizKids is missing the boat on. Viral marketing a product is fine, so long as there is something official going on in tandem, not seemingly as a response.

[Munchoboy]

Fair enough, but the problem with the Brightest Day leak is that it seems like someone just got it early and posted the dials. In my opinion, Viral Marketing is only good if it doesn't cause you to lose faith in the parent company, while getting one excited about the product. Unfortunately, I think that's the component that WizKids is missing the boat on. Viral marketing a product is fine, so long as there is something official going on in tandem, not seemingly as a response.

I totally agree that officially there needs to be a strategy. That said, who's to say there isn't and that we're just unaware of it? (Which is often the case with a viral-style fo marketing)

Look at it this way (and I'm not saying this is what's happened here, just bear with me), WK could easily arrange for the product to fall into folks' hands early, FULL WELL KNOWING the info would end up on the Realms. Voila! Viral Marketing.

Couple that with beginning previews on their own website. Again, more and more I am starting to believe that the Website's usefulness and effectiveness is not necessarily communicating info to us here. WK already communicates directly to the community on the Realms. Given that's the case, I think it's reasonable to look upon the actual WK/HC websites as a resource for folk who do not refer to the Realms as their primary source of info. This can be the casual or new fan, other enterprises, what-have-you.

Lastly, no amount of marketing is going to sway folk that are inclined to come to less-than-optimistic forecasts. Frankly, these types of folk are not the targetted demographic for most marketing campaigns.

If folk are "losing faith" due to their (albeit in most cases, limited) understandings of marketing and business, really there's nothing that WK can do but continue to chug along and put out product. Or in other words, exactly what they're doing right now.

Listen, I'm not going to sit here and work at convincing you that WK isn't going to shut their doors tomorrow (or whenever). I am going to say that I can see no indication, marketing or otherwise, that would cause me concern for either WK, the staff, or their Brands.

[UniqueLoginNamor]

I like Hawkgirl and can actually see myself playing her.

But I'm buying the pack because of Aquaman.

:)

Wow!! I terribly misread the first sentence LOL!!!!!

My eyes for some reason so " Like Hawkgirl can actually see me playing with myself" or something like that

[Munchoboy]

Wow!! I terribly misread the first sentence LOL!!!!!

My eyes for some reason so " Like Hawkgirl can actually see me playing with myself" or something like that

I thought he meant that Hawkgirl was his Halloween costume or chosen cos-play theme? :confused:





:laugh:

[snatreaper]

Look at it this way (and I'm not saying this is what's happened here, just bear with me), WK could easily arrange for the product to fall into folks' hands early, FULL WELL KNOWING the info would end up on the Realms. Voila! Viral Marketing.

Don't get me wrong, I understand your points (and agree to an extent). I guess I'm drawing the delineation with the difference between how they handled Brightest Day vs how they handled Watchmen. With Watchmen, it was clear that WizKids sent out copies of the sets to different online providers to get reviews and previews on any site they could. That said, the even had their own previews well before that. In that case, it think it worked well. But it worked (for me) because it was obviously intentional.

Anyway, I don't expect my opinion to change how WizKids markets their product, nor do I even expect that mine is the prevailing opinion.

Getting back to where this started, and where I think we at least somewhat agreed. I'd just like to see WizKids return to a more constant and current flow of information. Don't tease announcements that never come. Fix current website features to work fully and properly. And try not to have us get all our information (primarily) from other sources. And for gosh sakes, make use of tools that you built (the remote dial script).

[Munchoboy]

Getting back to where this started, and where I think we at least somewhat agreed. I'd just like to see WizKids return to a more constant and current flow of information. Don't tease announcements that never come. Fix current website features to work fully and properly. And try not to have us get all our information (primarily) from other sources. And for gosh sakes, make use of tools that you built (the remote dial script).

On these points, I think we are in complete agreement (and I would like to think that WK is too! ;))



:classic:

[Nightcrawler31]

Well I'm wondering when they will start previews of DC75th, it comes out in six weeks. Thanksgiving is comming up fast.

[AgentP]

I like the dial!

[Xuco]

I didn't know the dials had been spoiled. I'm glad Wizkids updated their site, or I wouldn't have come here and known :)

[Shawnbesaw]

Very happy with now Neca has come so far so fast with the sculptures and playability. Granted would like to see some new figures instead of remakes, but again overall very excited and can't wait for DC 75th and Giant Size X-Men.

[crazymike2501]

Are you familiar with the Brightest Day source material? No one's participating on any teams right now. Seems to me that the figs are pretty accurate as a result.

they have made plenty of characters with team abilities that were not on that specific team...

lets see: norman osborn with shield, all of the guardians of the galaxy with defenders, power pack with fantastic four, secret six with suicide squad and on and on...

my point is that they dont have to be in that specific team at that time to have a little extra something that a team ability gives them...

i just dont understand how they can put out a starter complete with maps, rules, and dice and not give the characters as much as they can for new players to learn off of...

yeah i know, im stupid and wrong and better yet im not a DC fan. but i tell you what, with clix like this coming out i probably never will be...

[Munchoboy]

yeah i know, im stupid and wrong and better yet im not a DC fan. but i tell you what, with clix like this coming out i probably never will be...

I suspect you are inscribing tone and manner into my last post that wasn't there. :ermm:

I was just asking a question, and then offering something that could possibly clarify the issue or at least act as an alternate view worth considering.

That's all. ;)

[snatreaper]

they have made plenty of characters with team abilities that were not on that specific team...

lets see: norman osborn with shield, all of the guardians of the galaxy with defenders, power pack with fantastic four, secret six with suicide squad and on and on...

You have to remember that with the exception of Norman Osborn, all of the other team assignments were done prior to the new Alternate Team Ability cards. In all the other cases a team was assigned to a team ability that closely resembled something that would make sense for their team. And in at least 1 case they have a Feat ATA to grant them their own team ability in place of their printed one.

In the case of Norman Osborn, he took over SHIELD and turned it into HAMMER so it's barely an argument. Just because the organization changed it's name, it doesn't negate the fact that it's still got some semblance of the original organization.

[BattlinBichon]

Love the new Hawkgirl. Dial and sculpt.
BUT who is Jerome and what happened to Jake Theis. I like Jake i hope he is still on board.:nervous:

[T Rez]

The same argument can be made for those complaining about the lack of team keywords. Personally I'm quite pleased with both the lack of team abilities and the keywords chosen for the characters in this set. I like that they included a Brightest Day keyword. I only which they retroactively granted some sort of keyword the the characters in the Blackest Night set.

I don't feel that these figs should have any team symbols since they were not working within those teams for the series. But I DO love the fact that they included a brightest day keyword, since they are involved in the storyline they should be connected by a keyword.

I also agree that it would be awesome if they errata the characters in the blackest night set to include a common keyword. I don't use any of them b/c I only like playing themed teams.

[JOwenR2]

What is the advertised cost for a Brightest Day starter?

Ihave no idea but I'd like to know as well, lets see If I can google me up some info...

... Cheapest I found was 17.99 but not finding the official price.

[Rutteger]

Is the character card a spoiler for Brightest Day? I didn't know Hawkgirl came back as Shiera, not Kendra. I'm actually reading the series but i guess not that carefully!

[WhoaDirty]

Dial
#004 E Hawkgirl
Team: No Affiliation
Range: 0 :bolt:
Points: 71
Keywords: Brightest Day, Warrior
m-winga-normald-normalg-normal101117310101721110163111016391016299152KOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKO

Trait: Master Aerial Combatant: When Hawkgirl attacks a character who can use the Flight ability, modify her attack and damage values by +1 until the end of your turn.

{creeky old man's voice} i remember the day when the rule of thumb was that a 100-point character should have at least 1 click of :a-fist:10...

{today's voice} Hawkgirl's nuts... a starting :a-fist:11 (with Charge and Super Strength!) and the following 4 clicks at :a-fist:10 ?!?...


Someone else in the original thread posted this comparison:

or206 LE Carter Hall
Team: Justice League
Range: 4 :bolt:
Points: 70
Keywords: Justice League of America, Warrior
m-winga-fistd-shieldg-starburst101017381016281116210915388153971438814279132KOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKO

She's not that much better, is she?

[Farceur]

I like that they included a Brightest Day keyword. I only which they retroactively granted some sort of keyword the the characters in the Blackest Night set.

In defense of Blackest Night, I'll say they probably didn't give them a shared keyword because future skittle corps members were just around the bend. Probably at least in development when Blackest Night came out.

[crazymike2501]

I suspect you are inscribing tone and manner into my last post that wasn't there. :ermm:

I was just asking a question, and then offering something that could possibly clarify the issue or at least act as an alternate view worth considering.

That's all. ;)

yeah well, this new set still sucks like the other set... (something about putting a rose on a turd and it smelling better or what not)

[jak7890]

they have made plenty of characters with team abilities that were not on that specific team...

lets see: norman osborn with shield, all of the guardians of the galaxy with defenders, power pack with fantastic four, secret six with suicide squad and on and on...

my point is that they dont have to be in that specific team at that time to have a little extra something that a team ability gives them...

i just dont understand how they can put out a starter complete with maps, rules, and dice and not give the characters as much as they can for new players to learn off of...

yeah i know, im stupid and wrong and better yet im not a DC fan. but i tell you what, with clix like this coming out i probably never will be...

I usually prefer pieces that don't have team abilities, oddly enough. There are exceptions, of course, and they're usually TA's that don't require a partner to use (Mystic, Bat Ally, Ultimates), but in general it seems like characters without TA's are more efficient.

[crazymike2501]

You have to remember that with the exception of Norman Osborn, all of the other team assignments were done prior to the new Alternate Team Ability cards. In all the other cases a team was assigned to a team ability that closely resembled something that would make sense for their team. And in at least 1 case they have a Feat ATA to grant them their own team ability in place of their printed one.

In the case of Norman Osborn, he took over SHIELD and turned it into HAMMER so it's barely an argument. Just because the organization changed it's name, it doesn't negate the fact that it's still got some semblance of the original organization.

your point is X actly what i am trying to say...

derp a dur the guardians of the galaxy are not the defenders...

and btw HAMMER is not SHIELD...

[szude]

OK, I'll be the first to say it: Too little, too late WizKids! You're thunder has been stolen on this product because you waited to long to do official previews.

Really? Can it really be too little too late for a figure that's not out yet? Has anyone missed out on the chance to play or buy this figure? No. I don't think people care if WK spoiled this or my dad. Either they're excited for the figure or they're not regardless of where the info came from.

[coad14]

Love the new Hawkgirl. Dial and sculpt.
BUT who is Jerome and what happened to Jake Theis. I like Jake i hope he is still on board.:nervous:

for some reason, i dont believe he works for wizkids anymore. he joined the Former employees of Wizkids FB page lol. i could be wrong though