Why does Beast do 3 damage and not Spiderman?

[Beastchylde]

We all know that Spiderman is stronger than Beast. So why does Beast do more damage? Plus beast has Perplex so he can do 4 damage potentially. I know that Spidey gets a couple clix of Super Strength so he can also potentially do 4 damage, but it seems kinda weird to me.
Also, why doesn't Spidey get Perplex? He always uses his witty banter to keep his opponents off balance.

[Mongoose]

I agree. It doesn't make any kind of sense. Then again both Sabretooth and Logan do a 3 damage wise. They are nowhere near as strong as Spidey.

[Manchine]

I know I really could not figure that out myself. He can do 4 becuase of perplex? Only thing I can come up with is he has become an expert fighter.

[Veggiehater]

Yup this is the same problem with Bats doing 3 and Superman doing only 2.

Most people attribute this to the lame excuse that Supes and Spidey "hold back" a lot. If this really was the case for them doing such pitiful damage, then they wouldn't be smacking people upside the head with a dumpster now would they? ;)

VH

[Mongoose]

Most people attribute this to the lame excuse that Supes and Spidey "hold back" a lot. If this really was the case for them doing such pitiful damage, then they wouldn't be smacking people upside the head with a dumpster now would they?
Dangit, don't you understand. Spidey is holding back when he throws a car at Rhino. He is afraid that might actually hurt Rhino, and that would be a bad thing.

[Greenandgold]

Who cares about how much damage Spidey does? I've given up hope of ever seeing an accurate Spiderman.

All I want is a Spiderman with high defense values down the dial and 2 arrows. Is that too much to ask???

A defense of 13,13,12,11 at the end of the dial? What a joke!

[Thorgrin]

I think I remember a time when spider-man kinda of got jaded and angry and didn't hold back his punches, so maybe they'll make evil spiderman at one point. :)

[DTM]

Is Beast really that much weaker than SpiderMan? I remember him back in the 80s he was X Factors muscle guy. Sure hes no Colossus or Strong Guy, but I thought he was at least above SpiderMan range.

[Rynth]

Beast is in the 50 ton range, Spider-man is in the 10-20 ton range.

[sluggo]

As for Wolverine and Sabretooth doing 3 damage - they are two of the most highly trained fighers in the Marvel universe, they know how to hurt someone

[Ghost_Rider]

Sigh.. Here we go again.. Damage has many factors, and isn't entirely based on physical strength.

Beast is not only a highly trained brawler, he is also super intelligent. Think of the ability to do 4 damage like this: Beast is fighting somebody, he sees a weakness and strikes for it, much in the same way that Batman does.

Superman and Spiderman always*do*hold back. It's not a lame excuse, it's a fact. They probably would commit suicide if they ever killed anybody. Now sure, it doesn't stop them from whacking somebody with a dumpster, but that is a game rule problem not a comic sense problem.

Plus with Superman and Spiderman, they are likely to have multiple versions. In the comics, Spiderman mostly webbed people rather than duking it out. It doesn't mean that he can't fight, it just means he rarely does. That's why is Heroclix persona reflects this.

Ghost

[Kissoon]

The Beast has the superhuman strength, agility, endurance, speed and dexterity. He is strong enough to lift (press) 2,000 pounds.

50 tons my ###...

[Mongoose]

Yeah the Beast can only lift 2000 pounds according to marveldirectory.com He is strong, but nowhere near as strong as webhead.

[Badges2]

We've discussed this so many times by now. Supes vs Bats vs Spidey vs Thor vs etc. Here is the answer.

Spiderman only deals 2 damage because that is how he fights. Yes, he could do 4 or maybe in 5 if really provoked, but he doesn't. Spidey lives to taunt. Where would he be without his one-liners? That's what everyone loves about him. He always mouths off in the face of danger. Sure he could take down Kraven in one punch. Then he'd have to make fun of him while he was unconscious. He needs to mouth off. Can you name one battle where he didn't? No.

Spiderman deals 2 damage so he can fight longer and mouth off more. Beast deals 3-4 because he is quick to take you down and say something witty and intelligent to himself while you're laying there unconscious.

The ability to do damage is not portrayed in clix. Only their fighting styles.

EDIT: If there is anyone else that you want me to explain clix-wise, just list them and I'll reply with why the damage is wrong.

[Agentofthebat]

If you want to get technical, there are millions of arguments that can be made about stats.
Think of this though,
Spidey and Beast are facing an opponent with Invulnerability or Impervious.
Spidey has outwit and can diss out 2 solid clicks, while Beast may perplex his damage to 4 and do 2 clicks, but still may miss all together the impervious.
I'm sure all the fans want their favorite characters to have what THEY think they should have, but wizkids is making them so just role with the punches. Besides, I doubt there will be another Beast figure made, but you'll keep getting new Spidey figs til the cows come home.
Oh yeah, from my understanding Beast can lift between 2 and 10 tons, while the Spider has a solid 10 ton lift capacity.

[The Stinger]

Well, Im happy with the new Spiderman myself.

I like the approach to beast myself. He could have turned out to be just another "Sabretooth" by giving him Charge and BCF, and threw a little outwit in there for his smarts. That could have been the easy way out.

But, they went a different route with Perplex, and I think the 3 damage is fair, considering he IS a candidate for BCF.

I think Beast was done great. He is set apart from other figures like he is now, and gives you more strategic options.

In my opinion, Beast deserves the 3 damage. Its a nice halfway point between sheer strength, and BCF.

Remember, Beast is a Blue Gorilla, and he could Maul you bigtime!! Moreso than Spidey could I think.

Just my thoughts.

[Thorgrin]

Not to be technical, but by the time Spider-Man does get outwit, his attack rating is really low, most figures have a minimum of 16 with invulnerability, so at the best AV for spidey, it's an 8 to hit, that's if you're lucky. So that really isn't a good argument on why spidey doesn't have 3 damage.

Not that I'm saying he should, but that's a weak argument on why he shouldn't.

Originally posted by Agentofthebat
If you want to get technical, there are millions of arguments that can be made about stats.
Think of this though,
Spidey and Beast are facing an opponent with Invulnerability or Impervious.
Spidey has outwit and can diss out 2 solid clicks, while Beast may perplex his damage to 4 and do 2 clicks, but still may miss all together the impervious.
I'm sure all the fans want their favorite characters to have what THEY think they should have, but wizkids is making them so just role with the punches. Besides, I doubt there will be another Beast figure made, but you'll keep getting new Spidey figs til the cows come home.
Oh yeah, from my understanding Beast can lift between 2 and 10 tons, while the Spider has a solid 10 ton lift capacity.

[DamageMaster]

Just my opinion but I think they made Spidey as more of a finesse figure with Outwit while they expect Beast to brawl it out with his potential 4 damage(with Perplex). I definitely think they should have given his first incarnations Super Senses to reflect his Spider Senses but I'm sure that's not the first time anyone's thought that. Also don't foget that all versions of Spidey have Flurry (most of them right at the end of the dial, unfortunatley) so with two attacks of 2 damage he'll get you those 4 clicks of damage your looking for.

[Agentofthebat]

I'm just kidding...this isn't a flame so don't take offense...Thank being said...

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Originally posted by Thorgrin
Not to be technical, but by the time Spider-Man does get outwit, his attack rating is really low, most figures have a minimum of 16 with invulnerability, so at the best AV for spidey, it's an 8 to hit, that's if you're lucky. So that really isn't a good argument on why spidey doesn't have 3 damage.

Not that I'm saying he should, but that's a weak argument on why he shouldn't.



Okay, so let's get technical...You're saying that my argument isn't good. So is it a bad argument? Does that mean it deserves some time of punishment, like a timeout or detention. And my argument is weak...compared to what...a 90 lbs agrument or a pro football kicker weak...is it ableto lift 2 tons in a 100 ton world?

Spiderman has a unique in every Marvel set, 3 other figs, a promo and no doubt will have other figs in upcoming sets. I wouldn't be surprised if we see a Spiderman figure in a DC set. Beast is only getting this one shot...How much can that argument lift? Is that argument better disciplined?

Spidey doesn't get outwit until the AV is an 8, so you have to be really lucky to roll and hit a 16. Vet Beast starts with a 9 one more, oh that's got to make a milliena of differnce with rolling the dice huh? Well that's on Beast's first 2 clicks. Spidey get's to swing around, pick up MJ's drycleaning, and get hit for serveral clicks and then use his AV of 8 and outwit. I think all's fair. Does this argument need the Super Soldier serum? What about probation?

One more argument for the cheap seats...
Vet Beast has perplex and 3 damage on the first 2 clicks. What do you do after that? Oh I forgot, charge with 2 damage and the imfamous 8 AV. Spidey has super-strength for the first 2 clicks with an AV of 10 & 9, then gets incapacitate for 2 clicks. And incapacitate boys and girls can mess up the folks with Invulnerability lest we forget. The last 4 clicks of Vet Beast dial lacks any offensive or defensive powers while the wallcrawler has outwit, super senses, and the nail in the coffin...flurry.
So how strong is that argument? I'm thinking at least up their with Spidey...10 tons..

Sorry...couldn't resist