Xplosion Uniques: 1 - 12 [Archive]

texaswashingto

03/03/2003, 03:54

By now, almost all of us have seen the stats for all the Uniques for Xplosion. Now, not looking at sculpts, only stats, what do you think the best Uniques are from 1 - 12? Here's my rough initial list based on what I thought was cool, what I wanted, and what I thought would be playable.

12. Lady Deathstrike: What can I say, she was only included for X2, she's not a fave of mine and I would play a million other BCF figures before her.

11. Weapon X: Ok, I'm gonna get flack for putting him so low, but I'm just so saturated with Wolverines that putting a few clicks of Willpower in the middle doesn't entice me.

10. Apocalypse: I'm gonna take Major flack for putting him 10th, but a 4 range, 133 figure with a 15 defense is "eh" for me. And I KNOW the scupt looks cool.

9: Savage Hulk: Let the flaming begin. SVG. Hulk only gets the 9th spot purely for the massive 201 point dent he'd put in my build. I wouldn't cry if I'd pull him (complete opposite) I'd just be hard pressed to field him.

8. The Leader: Hmmm, when I see his stats, it just reminds me of Mad Hatter/Puppet Master for some reason. Perplex is good, though I'd be using it mostly to bump up his 9 attack.

7. Elektra: Stealth BCF Uber-chick ninja, with 2 arrow Mind Control? What's not to love? Well, a 160 point cost and the fact that pulling all those dumb CT Elektras has scarred me from pulling ANOTHER She-Ninja.

6. Shadowcat: Ooh, now we're getting into the good half. Flying, Phasing X-Man (Woman)!! And with EE & Super Senses, she's a taxi that can take care of herself. Only 6th cuz she's a tiny bit vanilla compared to the top 5.

5. Spider-Man: What can I say, he's my favorite superhero, ever. I love the Leap/Climb + Super Strength combo, but don't forget about the nice 17 Defend! With Super Senses and Outwit, this wall-crawler is 79 points of awesomeness.

4. Phoenix: Ah yes, I love my X-Men. With a 12 range (she and Mandarin are the only 12'ers, right?) TKing X-Man, she's gonna become Psylocke's best friend. Can't wait to have her snipe from the rooftops!

3. Green Goblin: Who said Ultimate GG sux? I love the flying demon's stats. Fly up to an enemy carrying an object and a Beatstick (Doc Sampson?) and have the Perplexed Beatstick whack you, next turn both the Beatstick AND GG with Willpower bash ya. Ooo.

2. Deathbird: Anyone with the word "death" in their name has to be cool and she doesn't disappoint. My Dream: Running Shot (carrying Psylocke, 'natch) and base a grounded figure on one turn, next turn shred 'em with BCF (Or just take the easy 4 damage with RCE.. ah choices, choices).

1. Sauron: The fact that he's not Brotherhood sux, but the fact that I can FLYING + Charge + BCF you (and carrying another BCFer), push to BCF you again, and then (I'm assuming the fig I had orginally attacked is dead cuz c'mon, who can take 4 BCF swipes? (2 from Sauron, 2 from my passenger)) Mind Control you to hit yourself ("Quit hittin' yourself! Quit hittin' yourself!") makes me want the flying Pterodactyl the most. 4 range on the MC you say? I say, if I'm BCFing a fig, odds are I'm in the thick of battle and there are gonna be other figs nearby. Sauron's not a sniper MCer, he's an in-your-face mentalist.

Well, thanks for reading this and tell me what you think!

Laters ya'll,
Texas Washington

CaptainCarl

03/03/2003, 04:29

sounds good to me

but id put spidey up higher cause i cant wait to use a tourney worthy spidey but sauron is my most wanted as well cant wait for the beatings hes goin to shell out

thecaptain

id proly put savage hulk up a bit too just have someone who can take care of outwit on the opponents team and this brick house will tear things up no battle fury is a plus just kill all MC though

texaswashingto

03/03/2003, 04:36

Well, when you say "take care of outwit" how do you mean? I've gone up against Batman/Nightwing teams and getting them off of Outwit is tough. All I could do is put up Barriers to block line of sight. And with 201 filling up my 300 build... well, I just can't think of a feesable army with him in it. Now if I didn't care and was playing a fun army... :):)

Veggiehater

03/03/2003, 04:42

Good job! I only disagree with the ff:

1) Leader should be below both Apoc and the Hulk. Simply because there are many better, cheaper choices for Mind Control.

On my power charts he's #10 not 8.

2) I'd rate GG above Deathbird, 'cause Deathbird's powers don't mesh too well, even though she is versatile. GG on the other hand is a swift moving, non-pushing, taxi with perplex and super strength! I'd bump him up to the #2 position, maybe even #1... ;)

So my power rankings are:

12) Lady Deathstrike
11) Weapon X
10) Leader
9) Apocalypse
8) Savage Hulk
7) Elektra
6) Shadowcat
5) Spider-Man
4) Phoenix
3) Deathbird
1) Green Goblin (tied)
1) Sauron (tied)

VH

CaptainCarl

03/03/2003, 04:42

against batman team ablitiy i play unique flash and harley all it takes is 2 clicks of damage to get either on of of outwit well thats my tactic and its worked so far for DC and bane with taxi to finish of any straglers

for marvels sake only one really annoying outwit and that black panther so sent a chumper to take him on to get him of his outwit any low cost figure to hit him and die if they have to to make the game easy goin

and for the DC stratagy if any of them do make it back to a medic have flash bog them down so they cant heal or have him take some potshots at the medics

U flash is my MVP against any batman team in DC

thecaptain

Veggiehater

03/03/2003, 04:49

Cap,

I've also taken care of Bat-pimpers with relatively good success using the Flash, though I mostly run with the Exp version (don't own the U).

But the most simple and effective way to deal with the Bats IMHO is to taxi in Bane to pound on him. Just make sure you have a Robin or Huntress available to screw with his medics... ;)

VH

CaptainCarl

03/03/2003, 04:52

good to see our play styles are very similar veggiehater

would like to play you sometime =)

thecaptain

that goes for texas as well id like to play some friendly games with ppl on this web site if only distance wasnt a factor =)

love this game

on a good note i won an arthur curry today at a local tourney =)

texaswashingto

03/03/2003, 05:00

Veggiehater, a reason I put The Leader above the SVG. Hulk and Apocalypse is for his Perplex. I love Perplex cuz it can be used on anyone and even out of base-to-base. One of my fave (albeit, cheesy) tactics is to pump up my Nightcrawler's damage up to 4 with Vet. Doc Ock and either a Rk. Harley if mixed, or my LE Doctor Doom if Marvel only. Also, Willpower is great. I hate waiting to clear! I'm a pushing fiend! I can see lots of uses for The Leader as the back line MCer on my teams. Hulk's cost hurts and Apocalypse's range and low def hurts.

And about ranking GG below DB, well I like having instant damage instead of having to rely on objects. Even with pushing, GG ould do only 6 damage in 2 turns max if he had a heavy (cuz I'd use the Perplex to up his attack, there's something about attacking with a 10 that seems beefier than a 9). DB has got the guaranteed possible 8 damage in 2 turns, or 6 if BCF is outwitted and you're using RCE.

Also a BIG plus is her Energy Shield. Make sure you're in hindering when you base and that's a 20 at range to hit. That way you don't have to worry about snipers bugging you while you're trying to beat someone up.

CaptainCarl

03/03/2003, 05:09

texas

how did that team fair for you doom, doc and nightcrawler sounds brutal and i am push happy as well

as for leader i think he will be a pretty strong piece being able to MC 2 times in a row without takin damage is pretty sick but i just think his pricetag is a little hefly for what he does he shoulda been about 80-90 points like xavier

i do concur about apocalypse though for being one of the most powerful mutants he only has a 15 def what gives i can see that with the perplex he can be a consistant threat of 10 attack or 3 damage for more than half of his dial but still for 133 points give the mutie some credit and give him a d of 17 and attack value of 11 to give him some justice

thecaptain

texaswashingto

03/03/2003, 05:18

That team was BRUTAL. I didn't have the LE Doom yet so I put in Rk. Harley and I took 2nd. Only reason I didn't take first was I was playing that said Batman team with 3 Outwits and we were playing with a "half movement for flyers if taxiing" rule! He also had a Catwoman along with Exp. Batman and Vet. Nightwing. I never got to use my HSS and my Rk. Vulture couldn't carry NC far enough to base anyone. AND whenever I did put myself in base-to-base with an outwitter by using NC's 14 speed, he just leap/climbed away. ####.

What I was proud about during that tourney was that I took out an All-Unique/LE team with U. Catwoman and LE Arthur Curry. Arthur fell on turn 2!

Veggiehater

03/03/2003, 05:41

Dang! Double posted, please ignore this one... :(

Sorry about that,
VH

Veggiehater

03/03/2003, 05:43

Texas,

Good points but I think the main reason why our rankings differ a bit is because we look for different things in our figs. :) I'm more of a close combat fiend, but I too love to push my figs. Looks like the 3 of us here are push-aholics! :D

I ranked GG at "tied at #1" because I plan to use him as an aggro taxi, picking up an object on the way. For example he can taxi Logan while picking up a heavy, all the while perplexing Logan's damage to 4 (or attack to 11)! Next turn GG will push to smack the weakened opponent for 5 (thanks to perplex + SS)! Combos like this make me want to get that GG ASAP, can't wait to put him on my teams!

Deathbird again is great, (that's why she's #3 on my list) but she isn't really push friendly. Her biggest problem aside from that, is there are better close combatant flyers (Sauron) and better shooter flyers (Crimson Dynamo). Not trying to disagree with you, instead I'm trying to show you where I'm coming from. :)

Again great post, great points and great discussion! You too CaptainCarl, I'll make sure to look you up for a game when I go to LA sometime in the future.

VH

texaswashingto

03/03/2003, 06:06

Very true, very true. I guess I'm just a die-roller at heart and I love BCF figs (why Sauron & DB are 1 & 2 for me). And I love cheap figs, so DB's 70 pt. cost is perfect as currently the most expensive flyer I regularly us is my LE Doom. And yeah, I'd love to take on both you and Capt. Carl (with whom I'm a "Big 4" member with :) ). Next time I'm in LA, I might try to get a tourney in where ya are (if my GF lets me, 'natch). And next time I'm in the Philippines, I'll be the first to say, "Bring on the clix of pain, po!"

Veggiehater

03/03/2003, 06:12

Originally posted by texaswashingto
And next time I'm in the Philippines, I'll be the first to say, "Bring on the clix of pain, po!"

LOL! Good one, though I doubt that I'm your senior! :)

VH

texaswashingto

03/03/2003, 06:35

I'm 23 which, incidently appears to be the a young age for this game where I play. Everyone either in their late 20's of married. Only a couple kids younger than 19. I guess they don't read comics anymore.

And Capt., what's your 1-12 list?

Kode

03/03/2003, 07:57

just reading this topic makes me wanna go to Wizkids and snatch all xplosion boosters they have! LOL :D

I've played with Veggiehater here in the Philippines and I can say he really understood the game more than anyone...not that I'm sucking on ya VH but you always have an answer to all questions :)

Texas, Twas really a nice post and I got the chance to know more about the uniques coming up at least now I know what to look forward when xplosion releases here.

and Capt. always makes a good discussion and pointers...

to sum it all up I feel like playing clix for a year now but actually no more than 2months LOL :D

Can we make Superman bring the Philippines closer to USA? then we wouldnt have any problem of travelling too far to play clix ;)

peace!

Thorgrin

03/03/2003, 11:48

Not sure if I'd have a lot of the guys up there that you did. First off, many of them don't have the deep dials necessary to take punishment and dish it back. Second, I think you were thinking of terms of just a 200/300/400 point team (thus savage hulk is a bit lower which is rightly so), but if you look at everything in a bigger "fun" setting, savage hulk is the way to go. minimum 3 damage all the way down, toughness minimum, leap/climb/super strength and majority of the dial is invulnerabilty = really, really good. Yes, outwit could hurt, but that's on every figure listed, so the point is moot.

The unique Elektra is another high point character, but really worth it. First off 2 arrows for mind control is pretty darn good, with a 10 attack rating. perplex down the whole dial, super senses down the whole dial and she's actually a fairly good figure. I know we're all kind of sick of elektra at this point, but at least this one isn't the really, really bad version in clobbering time.

I like the idea behind shadowcat, nice taxi for the points. Doesn't have the free movement like wasp, BUT she has phasing. With that said, I wouldn't rate a one trick pony that high in the mix as that's all she can do (well energy explosion is a nice alternative, but her AV is 8, so more than likely she won't hit and if she does, it's only one target at a range of 4).

Haven't seen the Green Goblin sculpt yet, but again, not sure if I'd place him so high. For 60 some odd points, he's not a bad representation and he does have perplex to start, but again when you compare to some of the other uniques like Elektra, Hulk, Spider-Man, etc, he really doesn't hold much of a candle. He's a much needed improved version of the Goblin, but he doesn't hold a candle to some of these other uniques.

The rest wouldn't be too bad I suppose as far as the ranking. I think my ranking would be.

12. Lady Deathstrike
11. The Leader
10. Shadow Cat
9. Weapon X
8. Green Goblin
7. Phoenix
6. Spider-Man
5. Deathbird
4. Sauron
3. Apocalpyse
2. Elektra
1. Savage Hulk

texaswashingto

03/03/2003, 14:57

Thorgrin, you're right, I am thinking of a specific point build total, namely 300. I rarely nowadays have time to play games that aren't in a tourney and if I do, it's usually 300 point. That being the case, that's where I'd rate the Uniques. Also, Kitty & Jean's ranking are higher on my list cuz I'm a self proclaimed X-fanatic. Cheap phasing flyer who can shoot off dragon-flame during endgame? Yes, please. Tell ya what, if I pull a Svg. Hulk/Elektra/Apoc. and you pull Green Goblin, we might be able to make a deal...

Oh and if you haven't seen the U. Ultimate GG yet, here's a link (just scroll down):

http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28979&perpage=15&pagenumber=9

the itsy bit

03/03/2003, 15:57

it's the Ultimate goblin (you know the bad sculpt).

that alone makes him not worthy to be on the list !
If It where the REAL Green Goblin (the old rubber mask one) he would've made my top 3.

Thorgrin

03/03/2003, 16:03

I figured as much. I am going to have to ask the judge at the Marquee tournament if it's a 200 point game and if I get the savage hulk if I can play him. lol

The GG looks fine, better than the Hobgoblin, but I think I'd actually play the LE Ned Leeds. I have a hoot playing him and surprising people with him. Basically I have him taxi E Ultron or V Bullseye and do a running shot with incapacitate and have them follow up with damage. Then they ask me "hey, hobgoblin can't do that" and then I have to remind them of who I'm playing. lol.

I've been playing some really high point games/tourneys here, so that we can play with the bigger figs. I can't wait to get savage hulk. I'm drooooooling in anticipation!

Originally posted by texaswashingto
Thorgrin, you're right, I am thinking of a specific point build total, namely 300. I rarely nowadays have time to play games that aren't in a tourney and if I do, it's usually 300 point. That being the case, that's where I'd rate the Uniques. Also, Kitty & Jean's ranking are higher on my list cuz I'm a self proclaimed X-fanatic. Cheap phasing flyer who can shoot off dragon-flame during endgame? Yes, please. Tell ya what, if I pull a Svg. Hulk/Elektra/Apoc. and you pull Green Goblin, we might be able to make a deal...

Oh and if you haven't seen the U. Ultimate GG yet, here's a link (just scroll down):

http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28979&perpage=15&pagenumber=9

texaswashingto

03/03/2003, 19:06

SO basically we're seeing a trend: People who play 300<= like my list and people who play >300 like Thorgrin's list. Anyone else care to chime in with an opinion?

texaswashingto

03/04/2003, 02:58

Know what's a funny coincidence? Every Unique flyer is in my top 6 except Spidey who is so far the best wall-crawler that we have, and the bottom 6 are all the grounded Uniques except Apocalypse who is arguably a disappointment to a lot of clixers.

Nickel97

03/04/2003, 03:04

looks like our fave uniques are the same. hopefully you'll pull them in your other case, so you can leave them for me in ours.

my most wanted uniques are Sauron, Kitty, Goblin, Elektra and Phoenix.

texaswashingto

03/04/2003, 03:41

Yup, my most wanted is Sauron. Must have him. Sauron, Kitty, Gobby, Elektra, and Phoenix are 1st, 6th, 2nd, 7th, and 4th on my "Wants" list, respectively. However, Elektra is on my "Want, but can wait for it later" list so you have a good shot at her. :)

CaptainCarl

03/04/2003, 04:33

my rankin is not play wise cause i play everything hey ive even played with black manta in my IL team in a tourney and i didnt do to bad

i go for themes these days more then anything else last tourney i played the JLA and the one before that all sentinals i dont mind if i win or loose i just want to have fun like when i played all sentinal i tryed to capture all brotherhood and xmen only for the fun of it almost caught magneto too

as for my count down its more on the pieces i want to play with more then anything so here goes

12-lady deathstrike
11-deathbird
10-leader
09-elektra
08-weapon x
07-shadow cat
06-phoenix
05-apocalypse
04-savage hulk
03-green goblin
02-sauron
01-spiderman (my favorite charcter) hes goin to be taxied around by his old pal human torch whos goin to have a 19 defense thanks to defend =)

thecaptain

texaswashingto

03/04/2003, 04:40

Is it safe to say that U. Sauron is gonna be the "Nightcrawler" of Xplosion? The Unique that EVERYONE wants? It seems that on any list, whether it's the "I just like how the figs look" list, the "I want usable figs" list, or the "I want powerful figs" list, the big flyin' lizard is almost either 1 or 2!

CaptainCarl

03/04/2003, 04:49

you betya its goin to be the next nightcrawler that piece of work is tourney playable kewl lookin and a fan favorite heck all my friends want one so were goin to have like 3-4 saurons in the collective

cant wait for this set the next tourney im goint to play in is goin to be a booster draft one of each expansion

HT CT and the origional IC

300 points its goin to be interesting im goin to draft all flyers if i can =) and any uniques that happen to pass along

then the tourney after that seald Xplosion cant wait cant wait
this game can only get better and thats how i see it the more figures the better no matter the numbers on their dials as long as i can use a fig theirs a way to win =)

thecaptain

texaswashingto

03/04/2003, 05:01

How's this for an assumption? Sauron is the "Nightcrawler" of XP, and Green Goblin is the "Spiral", the second most wanted?

BTW, I FINALLY got myself a Spiral. I usually don't like buying individual figs, I like trading more. But after not having the Swiss-army clix since like forever, when I saw her (with all SIX arms!) in my local gaming store's case, I quickly shelled out the $15 to get her. Ahh, sweet plastic crack.

CaptainCarl

03/04/2003, 05:09

hahahah

im similar i dont like to buy individual figs its a last resort the only figs ive purchased individualy are LEs i wanted that i have not won and U flash and U batman when i saw them in my local shop i was like do i buy 3 boosters and luck out or do i go home and let flash and bats run a much right now

lets just say they ran a much

thecaptain

just hope i pull a sauron goblin or spidey dont want to spend 30 bucks on individual figs i got the bats and flash for about 12 a piece so i was alright with that unlike nightcrawler whose fetching near 35 bucks on ebay and local stores

texaswashingto

03/04/2003, 05:36

My top 3 that I'm hoping to pull so I don't have to buy 'em are: Sauron, Green Goblin, and Phoenix. And before your say, "Texas, you had Deathbird as #3, what's the deal?", I'm noticing that DB isn't as desired (for some weird, asinine reason) so I figure that during my figure draft of my case I'm splitting, I can leave her to later rounds. Plus, how can you say no to a 12 range sniper?

the itsy bit

03/04/2003, 05:59

of Xplosion is : the Amazing Spiderman !!

he's the only unique which I really want (just like Nightcrawler in CT), so the odds of me getting him are slim to impossible.
seeing as my luck with Nightcrawler was aboot thesame.:rolleyes:

I would've liked the Green Goblin, IF he were made instead of the lame Ultimate version.
I only dislike the SCULPT !!

the rest of the uniques aren't must-haves for me.

Veggiehater

03/04/2003, 06:03

I dunno guys, I don't think Sauron will end up as the next Nightcrawler. My money is on either Spider-Man or Hulk filling this role, depending on which one is rarer. This of course is simply because they are who they are...

Sauron will probably end up as the next Moondragon/Wolverine. You know that Unique everyone is using but very few actively seek out. This is simply because he doesn't have too large a fan-base so there might not be too many casual players hiking up the demand on this piece. ;)

As for the top 3 I'm hoping to pull well I have to go with Green Gobbo (for use & collection) along with Spidey and the Hulk (simply for fun use!)

VH

Thorgrin

03/04/2003, 11:43

Not to mention everytime I hear "Sauron" I think of Lord of the Rings for some odd reason......

matman

03/04/2003, 12:05

shadowcat is not a unique. i could have sworn i saw her with red yellow and blue dials on another post

Thorgrin

03/04/2003, 12:09

I think she's both. Kind of like how spider-man, elektra and wolverine both had R/E/V versions and an unique version.

matman

03/04/2003, 12:36

so she would have to have lockheed or be a phased version then. something to set her apart from the regular version

texaswashingto

03/04/2003, 14:39

You are correct Matman, there have been confirmations that the U. Shadowcat does indeed have Lockheed on her shoulder. As for the question of "Is she clear/halfphased?", well, since she is the last Unique to be posted on Realms, we'll have to wait to find out.

Raosun

03/04/2003, 14:46

I saw the U Shadowcat at Megacon, she is the exact same figure, same paint job, same pose, all she has is lockheed sitting on her arm. No phasing or clearness at all.

SLAYER X

03/04/2003, 16:32

I agree that apocolypse has a horrable defence so I would probably also put him low but I think of all the uniques the worst is weapon x. He can't get close enough to do damage, stealth as far as I amconcerned isn't that good of an ability. I would have like to see him get charge instead, and his defense is too low. If he was like this in the comics he'd never get out of department H.
My list would be more like this

12) Weapon X (This fig just sux)
11) Lady Deathstrike (not impressed)
10) Leader
9) Apocalypse
8) Savage Hulk
7) Spider-Man
6) Shadowcat
5) Sauron
4) Deathbird
3) Elektra
2) Green Goblin
1) Phoenix

CyberVenom

03/04/2003, 16:41

My list is as follows:
12. Green Goblin. I still want the figure, just to have, but I can't believe they went with Ultimate Goblin first. That, and the sculpt is horrid.
11. Weapon X. A nice one to have. Pretty useless for me.
10. Leader. I just never liked the character.
9. Lady Deathstrike. Let's face it, the only reason she's in this list is because of the movie coming out.
8. Deathbird. Reread the sentence for Leader.
7. Shadowcat. Awesome look, but not the best U out of the set.
6. Savage Hulk. He's Savage Hulk. Somewhere near the middle for me.
5. Elektra. Depending on the way the rules will go, she could be a monster killer.
4. Apolcalypse. Just great to see him in the set!
3. Spider-Man. The best version of him so far. Can't wait to see how it's gonna be improved in the next set.
2. Sauron. One of the best looking figures I've seen.
1. Phoenix. Blown away at how great this figure's gonna be.

texaswashingto

03/04/2003, 17:49

Hmmm, seems like a lot of ya'll are torn over Green Goblin. You hate him cuz he's ugly and not "THE" Green Goblin, yet you love him cuz his stats and powers are just PHENOMINAL (SStrength, Willpower, Perplex, Flying). Let's have a rough vote: Green Goblin = I Need him on my team, NOW! or Ack I'm Blinded! Get the pooper-scooper!

CyberVenom

03/04/2003, 17:52

If I had to choose, right now, I give him a thumbs down.

the itsy bit

03/04/2003, 19:10

Originally posted by texaswashingto
Hmmm, seems like a lot of ya'll are torn over Green Goblin. You hate him cuz he's ugly and not "THE" Green Goblin, yet you love him cuz his stats and powers are just PHENOMINAL (SStrength, Willpower, Perplex, Flying). Let's have a rough vote: Green Goblin = I Need him on my team, NOW! or Ack I'm Blinded! Get the pooper-scooper!

the REAL Green Goblin would have been cool with those stats.

If I get him out of my boosters (and nobody wants to trade him for Nightcrawler !), I could throw away/burn the sculpt and put a redone Hobgoblin on him ?!:p

texaswashingto

03/04/2003, 20:31

Don't throw it/burn it! Send it to me! I personally like the sculpt and will trade you a Hobgoblin to mod! :):) I'm serious!

Nickel97

03/04/2003, 21:19

mr TW, here are my personal top 12 uniques.
readers: Please note that this is only my opinion, and feel free to quietly disagree. No flaming, no arguing with me.

12. Lady Deathstrike -- haven't even seen the pic yet to see if it looks cool, otherwise I didn't like it that much when her name was rookie wolverine. Vet psylocke crushes her in 45 point lady land.
11. Apocalypse - boring
10. Spiderman - no spidey team. looks cool though.
9. Weapon X - see, look, it's different. it has willpower, yawn (willpower is the only thing that pushed it up this high)
8. Deathbird - good fig, cheap, options, don't care about the character, She'd be lower, but I saw a better picture of the fig that wasn't as bad as the one on the front page looks.
7. Leader - Willpower and perplex and MC are nice. figure is ugly, and I don't care about the character. (he's probably tied with death bird)
6. Hulk - Hulk Smash! Hulk look scary! Hulk cost over 200! Hulk not fly or have hypersonic! Hulk not get played by me!
5. Phoenix - I heart X-(wo)men, I heart 12 range.
4.Shadowcat - A more delicate Vision at a a third the cost. also: lockheed. her + U Wolverine = coolest 100 points ever.
3. Green Goblin - they could take a big green booger, and put it on flight base with a full dial of willpower and a bit of perplex and I'd play it for 62 points.
2. Sauron - don't you just want to make an Ian Mckellan fig out of Magneto, and play Gandalf and Sauron together. Yeah. charging with BCF is real good, bringing a friend with you is better. Plus he heals himself. plus he's a big freaking dinosaur, about the only thing cooler than freaking dinosaurs are freaking ninjas....
1. Elektra: Assassin: Freaking Ninjas! Yeah, she's expensive, but the only thing more fun than a full dial of willpower is a full dial of perplex. She's sure not efficient, but dang is she exquisite.

So there you go mr. TW. There's my list.

Spookythecat

03/04/2003, 21:45

By no one's request... My Top Twelve:

12: Lady Deathstrike: 'Nother BCF character. Never read a comic with her in it. A big "Eh." for her.

11. Weapon X: Gosh. Another Wolverine. I've never been a Wolverine fan, but I kind of like his X-men versions for X-man teams. This isn't an X-man.

10. Apocalypse: Really, if there's one thing I just don't like very much, it's the X-men comics of the nineties. 'Poccy was in every single darn X-man comic in the nineties, and brings back bad memories of endless crossovers and horribe, horrible Leifeld art. He's only this high because he has plasticity, which is one of my fave powers.

9. Deathbird: Really playable, But it always annoyed me off when the X-men went into space. If I pull one she's getting traded to the power gamers, just like Spiral was.

8. Phoenix: I'm a founding member of the "Jean Grey should have stayed dead" camp, and I've always found her fairly boring and milquetoast as a character. Still, nice lookin' fig, and a better representation of Jean Grey than we've seen.

7. Leader: The Hulk's greatest enemies are (First) Himself, and (Second) Mankind. Any other villains seemed kind of pointless to me. Still, big heads = cool.

6. Savage Hulk: The first unique to fall into the "Not immediate trade bait" category. I *loved* the IC Hulk figure, and this Hulk looks to be a tad more playable... But I'll still always prefer the Bruce Banner vet. from IC.

5. Green Goblin: I'm glad to see the Ultimate Line getting some love... But I'd have loved a Ditko lookin' Green Goblin even more. (Ditko was the original Spidey artist who designed the Goblin, for those of you in remedial comics.) Hopefully he'll be an REV next set.

4. Spider-man: Best major super-hero ever, IMO, and this looks to be the most point/cost/efficient version yet. Still, after all the Spidey's of the past, the excitment's a little lessened.

3. Elektra: Assassin: 'Cause I was saying "Wouldn't an Elektra: Assassin figure be cool," and "Why doesn't the Unique Elektra have mind control," since before DC came out. I'm not a fan of the current version of the character, but I looooved this mini-series to death. She could stand to be a bit more... abstract, though.

2. Sauron: Because, as Nickel said, Dinosaurs are cool. No other reason needed.

1. Kitty Pride: My second favorite X-character, just a scosh behind Nightcrawler. I don't care if she's a good taxi or if she's as bad for her points as Constrictor... I'm still going to be playing her ALL the time.

Painreliever

03/04/2003, 22:04

12. Leader - Makes for an easy target, could be good against mid range figs but overpriced, doesn't fly, he's pretty much a one and done man.

11. Lady Deathstrike - all things considered she is pretty cheap for 45 points...blades all the way down makes her usable till the end, at least against weaker dudes. Gonna have trouble with superpower figs and any ranged flyers if she trys to get out of stealth.

10. Weapon X Wolvie - a step above Lady D...Personally I think it is a rather large step above...with willpower in the middle and regen to keep him going, wolvie has a lot more going for him than Lady D...although both get knocked to their last click on a full blades roll.

9. Apocalypse - If we were judging by sculpts he is #2. But his stats leave a little to be desired...what I like about him is there is still room to use him in a 200 point game. He can at least take some damage, keeps a nice attack value the whole way and is basically there to help set up your other dudes...combine him with U Shadowcat and R Silver Samurai and you have a pretty nice indoors team, full phasing capable.

8. Shadowcat - Cheap phasing taxi is nice....pretty good defense with SS is better, top it off with EE and you get a nice cleanup hitter.

7. Spiderman - looks like a lot of figs in this set with leap climb and super strength. Defend is nice, but it gets negated some by leap climb when Spidey wants to do his own thing and others can't keep up. I like him much better than all the other spideys, but I think he needs something else to help get over the hump and into the top 6.

6. Phoenix - TK sniper with decent defense, give her the Fastball Special TK style...pick a wolvie any wolvie...definitely the new corner roof camper sitting on an object waiting to drop a spiral on someone...With a higher base defense or some more damage she could have gone higher.

5. Green Goblin - The only thing that gets him above Pheonix is the WP throughout. His attack values drop like a rock, defense is okay, flying with SS and perplex is nice, but I think he becomes a 1 and done man without some help.

4. Hulk - Nastiness abounds...could be nastier...Eats damage for lunch spits out pain, all leap climb, all SS, toughness at the least all the way and can be carried....woah...300 point game stud...if only they had a power that was the combination of toughness and willpower, then he would be savage indeed! 201 points is a tad high for my tastes, but hes a monster scuplt and monster stats...only concern is the figs I saw at Megacon had some wierdness in the face sculpt or face paint job...

3. Elektra - One stop stealth shop. Drop her in hindering and let the enemies come to you. Starts with a 12 attack, blades, perplex, Super senses, gonna be a tough customer if some doesn't charge in. Takes a hit, becomes ultra mind controller. Only is the clciks she will take due to mind control...are they gonna make her add the two together if less than 100? Still she is never hurting for attack value with perplex, can sucker perople in by perplexing range. I think she could be usable in a 200 point game with some care.

2. Deathbird - I thought her sculpt was very nice at Megacon, and she has some sweet stats, the taxi that can smack you up close and at range. Overall some of the most useable stats I think. All purpose death you might say. Can't wait to get her.

1. Sauron - My personal favorite as the coolest sculpt in heroclix...also the largest regular figure in heroclix. He has an amazing sculpt. I am glad I managed to trade for him at Megacon (gave up a U Shadowcat and U Desaad). My personal fav so far is to team him up with Taskmaster (I only have the Exp version) on charges. The mind control is sweet too because people are going to come to him if he is carrying someone and clubbing people left and right. Would have preferred a slightly higher defense value, another click of life, or maybe invul for a click...but probably doesn't suit the character. The steal energy is nice but is only gonna do good against the mid and low end figs at that point, but it is worth it to get back up to blades. He may replace moondragon as my must have utility player.

Dalmatio69

03/04/2003, 22:42

Allright, i think ill give what i think is good and bad about the new figures and my order in stats.

Unique Shadowcat:
I think this will be the most used taxi along side with Wasp. In comparison to wasp, she gives up free move and one defense for super senses and phasing. In indoors, she will defenitely be the best taxi because she can go through walls. In outdoors she wouldnt be as useful, but she never needs to break. The only thing i see wrong with her is that she doesnt have free move, but id easily give up that action for her.

Unique Elecktra:
Bleh. For 160 points, what do you get? You get perplex. Perplex is great, but now id rather take a few R con artists or just a V Doc oc. 12 attack with BCF? Cool, but U elecktra and U wolverine combined are cheaper and do just as good. Super senses is a nice addition but isnt a reason to use her. She gets mind control later but its not totally dependable and her attack by this time is 10 (though she has perplex). i just feel her damage output isnt good enough as she relies on BCF, even tho she has perplex for the rest of your team. All in all, i think shes no good in tourneys.

Deathbird:
I think shes pretty cool. Four damage (2 rce) at 8 inches and 10 attack. Pretty solid. 10 speed with R/S, everyone loves a taxi with running shot. Also she has Bcf, probally wont be used a whole lot. She also seems a bit glass jawed. For 70 points, shes not to bad i think.

Apocalypse:
Hmmm. My favorite guy in the set. Well, not stat wise. He starts with low attack of 10, low defense of 15, which is dissapointing. And only 3 damage. But, his stats are very durable. He essentially has 3 damage for 6 clicks, because once he drops to 2 damage he gets perplex. His lowest attack is 8, which is pretty solid. His phasing and flight is also really cool, because he can run and bring a friend if need be. Forr 133 points, id like more than 3 damage, but i think he will still be somewhat useable.

Green Goblin:
He seems really cool. 62 points for willpower, perplex, 2 dmage, 9 attack at 6 inches. Not a power figure, but hell be a great taxi. He has 10 speed, and willpower, which means in 2 turns he can cover 20 squares without taking a damage. Plus he can perplex whoever hes carrying. I dont know about anyone else, but ill be primarily using him as a taxi.

Leader:
No good. 113 points for 9 attack mindcontrol at 6 inches? No thanks. He has perplex, but its just not enough to justify 113 points.

Sauron:
This guy seems great. The reasons are pretty obvious. I think hes a little pricey tho, but his MC and steal energy later on is worth it i think.

Lady Deathstrike:
I agree, she sucks as Bcf'er. But, i think shes more useable than Weapon X, seeing how he has BCF all the way through. The late willpower and regen dont really make up for Weapon X's battle fury in his entrie dial, i think

Weapon X:
Above

SpiderMan:
Eh, i still think hes not good. Pretty good representation of SpiderMan, but still not useable. Hes certainly not offensive. He only has 2 damage with super strenght that will never be used. I see him more defensive because of his early defend and later outwit. Tho he only has defend for 2 clicks then he gets super senses.

Hulk:
Hes crazy. Simply put, hes not going to win any tournaments, but his stats are Godly. Sadly id have to put him like last or 2nd to last only because of his cost.

Pheonix:
Eh again. Whats she do for you? 2 damage with 9 attack, who cares. She has 12 inches, but she cant do alot a hurt anyways. Her TK is wasted, because if you want TK that bad just use jean grey for half her point cost. Her toughness then deflection are nice, but dont justify the 85 points.

So, my list (close enough) would be something like this: (Top to bottom)
ShadowCat
Green goblin
Sauron
Apocalypse
Deathbird
SpiderMan
Pheonix
Elecktra
Lady Deathstrike
Weapon X
Hulk
Leader

Maybe i am biased with Apoc, but oh well =)

texaswashingto

03/05/2003, 05:59

Hmmm, these are all great lists and makes me re-think my own list... ok, you've convinced me to change it. Here is my new list and reasons for the changes (1st # = New Rank, 2nd # = Old Rank):

12 (12). Lady Deathstrike: Nope you still can't convince me she's better than U. IC Elektra... or Vet. Wolvie... or Exp. Wolvie... or Vet. Sabertooth... Or..

11 (11). Weapon X: Still no change. I will only play him in sealed... if I pull him :)

10 (10). Apocalypse: Where's the change in your list, you say? Hold your horses, it's coming. (Fig is still pretty cool-looking. It can join my Mr. Fixit on my shelf.)

9 (8): The Leader: He drops in my list cuz of one thing: playability. Meaning he won't get any from me. There's just other PCers that I'd field first... However, in sealed...

8 (9). Savage Hulk: Ok, Hulk would see just as much playability as The Leader, but he would be way more fun.

7 (7). Elektra: Nope, still couldn't crack the top 6. And with the ruling that if she MC's 2 figs, if COMBINED the MCed figs total more than 100, Elektra takes a click, she become less wanted.

6 (5). Spider-Man: He drops one spot cuz... well just cuz Shadowcat rose one spot. Top 5 now all flyers.

5 (6). Shadowcat: What can I say, unhindered taxi that can soften up a cluster of fig is cool... and dragons are super cool.

4 (2). Deathbird: Hmm, well the dial IS a kinda all over the place. Seems like I'll be using either RS, RCE, or BCF, but not all of them together. Dang unmixable powers! How cool would it be if she could RS for a ranged BCF attack that added +2 to the die result for a possible 8 clicks of damage? Very.

3 (4). Phoenix: Rises a spot cuz that 12 range is looking sweeter and sweeter the more I look at it. Sigh, 12 range...

2. (3). Green Goblin: I Love The Sculpt. There someone had to say it. And I don't care, but I'm using him as a flying beatstick. So nyah.

1 (1). Sauron: DINOSAURS ARE COOL. The Liz is still numero uno in my books. Flying, Charging, BCFer. All bow to the king.

the itsy bit

03/05/2003, 07:51

12) Weapon X. another Wolverine,wow:rolleyes: the 2 clicks of willpower don't make him so much more different.
any other new unique would have been better !!

11)Elektra. Now here me out !
another Elektra, nice powers, but 160 points make her to expensive to gamble the BCF's on and the MC at 6 range just doesn't impress me !

10)Lady Deathstrike. well at least she's a new fig, but I never liked her character (like Elektra) and she has got nothing impressive/different.

9) Savage Hulk.yep, another one I'll stick with the V Hulk If you don't mind !
he would be fun to play with, but he savage and no Battle fury whatsoever ?!

8)Ultimate goblin. great stats,but the sculpt almost made me puke !
Ultimates are a waste of paper for all I'm concerned !!

7)the Leader ! yep MCíng little figs with WP is FUN !
113 points :eek: to expensive !

6) Phoenix. the way Jean Grey should have been made, 9 AV and 2 damage doesn't make that 12 range overpowered.

5)Shadowcat. hmmm, I really like the Rookie version. The unique is slightly better.

4)Apocalypse. No, I don't really like the guy, but he has some great powers spread over his dial and is very playable for his points !

3)Deathbird. great stats, don't really like the character though.

2)Sauron. Great stats, don't like the character though. this place would have been reserved for the REAL Green Goblin if the designer would have only made him !!!!!!

1) Spiderman. but, he's another of those 4 ??
yep, But I love Spiderman and JonL has made my version of him the way I like !
(except I wouldn't have given him Defend , instead Spider Senses all the way !)
Spiderman, Spiderman does what no normal man can !!
Go Spidey !!go Spidey !!Go Spidey !!

:) :D :p ;)
Only 1 unique which I would like to have, but just like Nightcrawler and with my luck I won't pull him.:rolleyes:

texaswashingto

03/05/2003, 18:22

With Today's Sneak Peak, does anyone want to rank Deathbird higher? She seems pretty beefy to me.

hudson20

03/05/2003, 19:11

My ranking of the 12 characters is mostly base on pure clix playability. But a little bit of the characters creeps in.

My List
1. Death Bird- She ain't to expensive and she's really powerful. I like to play exp cyclops some times and death bird is a mix of him and magneto and wolverine. Even chesselord has a chance of missing her 19 ranged defense.(Although his 13 attack still gives him a good chance of doing it.)
2. Sauron- I use vet sabertooth sometimes and sauron has exactly the powers I use him for. Plus he flys. Oh and someone already mighta mentioned this, but dinosaurs are cool.
3. Spiderman- Ok someone at wizkids is messing with us. They almost gave us what spiderman is susposed to be, but not quite. Say it with me. NO DEFEND. His starting defense should be 18 with super senses. Otherwise this may be the perfect representation. I like the super strength.
4. Shadowcat- Finally my xmen have a taxi under nintey points! (I use vet rouge) She's very hard to hit and never needs to break away. I'm not sure why she has flying but I won't sweat it too much when I play her.
5. Hulk- If I can find a way to play him then he will rule. He may not be affordable enough to put on a team but this the hulk I've been waiting to see. Unfortunately, I can say for certain he won't be used at all in 100 or 200 point games. :)
6. Green Goblin- A Taxi that has perplex is great! A taxi that doesn't take push damage is great! (I am always pushing my taxis) This guy has both. Plus with the super strength he can sneak up to a medic away from the main battle and then beat said medic to death with a gumball machine.
7. Apocalypse- He's not as bad as everyone is saying. He basically never needs to break away and he can carry an item and walk up to anyone on the opposing team without worrying about figures/obsticles in the way. Plus all the invul and toughness mean that he can take a licking and keep on ticking. Can someone tell me why they did the leadership thing. On characters over 100 leadership is just SO wasted.
8. Elektra- He dial needs to be a few clicks shorter so she can be cheap enough to be on a team, instead of being the entire team. He damage is dependant on BCF so on a bad role your 160 point character won't get past toughness.
9. Jean grey- Her twelve range is the only thing that sets her apart. But if she wants to actually do somthing with that range she's gonna need hydra and shield guys near her.
10. Weapon X- Does this guy have the exact same stats as rookie wolverine? Except for the stupid mid dial willpower. At that point you'd almost wanna turn it off so you can regen.
11. Lady Death Strike- She is not as good as any of wolverines versions. She's like a more expensive (But not more useful) version of vet blade.
12. The leader- I haven't seen the scuplt yet but his stats make him look really useless. He may have the poorest defense values of any 113 or better character. It starts at a 15 with nothing else to protect him. It's not like he can bomb away from long range, he's only got a 6 range! Why would you want to use him over enchantess? (and enchatress ain't even that good)

Mr. Drifter

03/05/2003, 22:35

Hudson20 is a two-faced liar. Just the other day, he posted his review of the entire set so far in which he dissed and dismissed (good Lord I hate that phrase) the Green Goblin, now he thinks he's the greatest taxi ever. No one can ever take anything he writes seriously ever again.

Semper fi.

texaswashingto

03/05/2003, 22:38

Well, what's your Rankings List, Drifter?

Mr. Drifter

03/05/2003, 23:05

Without having actually playtested, it's hard to say. But here goes.

1. Deathbird: There is nothing I don't like about this clix. Looks extremely versatile.
2. Green Goblin: I can't wait to have a taxi that doesn't push. Seriously. I am really excited about this. THat he has perplex as well is just sick. And wrong. And yes, I will have no problem using him.
3. Sauron: He drops off pretty fast, but those first few clix...wow. But with energy drain, he can stay kinda' healthy. And he can still be useful with MC, so, that makes him number three. (Yes, I'm white, I know).
4. Spidey: 'Cuz he's Spidey, and he's pretty darn close to what everyone's been waiting for. Kind of. Almost. Alrighty then.
5. Hulk: Wowza. Screw Thing. Clobberin' Time really starts at the end of March. Unless you live in Orlando, in which case I hate you.
6. Shadowcat: Because I'm tired of Vulture biting the dust on turn two from Firelord one-shot-ing his candy @$$. At least with the Cat, he has to roll more than 3 and I have a chance to do something about it. Not a great chance, maybe, but somethin's better'n nothing.
7. Phoenix: Because she has a 12 range, and because, yes, you can partner her with Hydra and Shield peeps quite effectively.
8. Elektra: Yes, she has some cool, kick@$$ abilities. But she's not quite a one-(wo)man wrecking crew, which, frankly, a 160-point character should be. Kind of an oddity, really, but should shine in larger point games (I know--duh. It's also light during the day and dark at night. Yes, I know I'm stating the obvious).
9. Apocalypse: I'm kinda' torn about him. I thought he'd make a sweet clix, but he'd cost to much to play. What I got was kind of a dud clix that can be fit snugly into a 200 point army. What's next? A 111-point Onslaught? Apoc ain't horrible, but, come on, if someone showed you just the dial before you knew who was in this set, Apocalypse would be waaaaaaaay down your list of guesses.
That was kind of a poor analogy on my part, wasn't it?
10. The Leader: Seems a bit overcosted, especially considering his horrible, horrible range. Just a bit scarier than the Puppet Master, who is also known around my parts as the "Dust Collector."
11. Lady Deathstrike: Because everyone else seems to put her last. Ha. Marvel at my surprising wit. ...Or not.
12. Weapon X: Looks sweet. Plays...less...so. Kind of a needless clix at this juncture. Isn't very prudent. I'm pretty lame.

jerusalem

03/06/2003, 00:23

I didnt think that the uniques from this set were going to be anything special. After reading this thread I cant wait to tear into some busters.

CaptainCarl

03/06/2003, 03:34

hmm after all this my list stays fairly unchanged

12 weapon x- not goin to be played much
11 lady deathstrike- not to interested in this character
10 leader- willpower and mc not bad but i dont really play mc
09 pheonix- kewl 12 range but cost to high for an xman flier
08 deathbird- after readin the notes shes pretty impressive
07 apocalypse- cant see eye to eye with the complainers on this one he looks playable to me
06 shadowcat- ive been waiting for a cheap taxi that does not have to roll breakaway
05 elektra- cant wait to mc to firelords to attack eachother and still take no damage since their less then 100 pts =)
04 savage hulk- what a beat stick this guy is goin to be and i think he is still playablein a 300 pt team
03 green goblin- kewl fig and kewl stats willpower ss and perplex and a flier whats not to like, i also enjoy the ultimate spiderman books myself
02 sauron- charge bcf flier nuff said
01 spiderman just want to field him on a team cause hes my fav character he will rock the 24 x 24 square

honorable mention muda f en taskmaster E or V what a monster

thecaptain

texaswashingto

03/06/2003, 03:56

Just a quick note to those thinking of using U. Elektra to MC TWO less than 100 figs to try to avoid damage. It won't work. The point totals of BOTH figs are added together and if the total is more than 100, you take damage. The only way to avoid damage is to MC 2 figs whose total together adds up to LESS THAN 100 points.

CaptainCarl

03/06/2003, 04:28

is that true im not sure of that

so if you control apocalypse 133 and firelord 97 you take 2 damage instead of one

im not to sure of that cause you mc to different figs unless its been faqed

its like targeting to figures you roll one dice but you compare the results with 2 differetn defenses if that makes sense

well alls good anyways one point of damage is good enough for firelord to do 3-5 damage to eachother depending if they have taken damage already

thecaptain

texaswashingto

03/06/2003, 05:14

Sorry to say but I'm pretty sure that's the rules, so your "Apocalypse + Firelord = 2 clicks of MC damage" is correct. This issue came up in the Rules forum and the judges confirmed this. Speaking of judges, any out there that can either support or refute this? I'm 95% sure this is what the ruling is... but I could be wrong.

texaswashingto

03/07/2003, 05:28

I was bored so I wrote down everyones' list that's posted here + my friend Vash197's list and then took each Unique and listed where they fell on each list. I then averaged the number placings together and then put the Uniques in order from smallest mean (which means more higher votes) to largest (lots of low rankings). Here's the results, based on 13 Unique ranking lists:

1. Sauron: 2, 2, 3, 1, 2, 1, 4, 2, 5, 2, 2, 5, 1 = 32/13 = 2.46
2. Green Goblin: 6, 8, 2, 5, 5, 1, 8, 3, 2, 12, 3, 1, 2 = 58/13 = 4.46
3. Spider-Man: 3, 1, 6, 7, 4, 5, 6, 1, 7, 3, 10, 3, 4 = 60/13 = 4.62
4. Shadowcat: 4, 5, 1, 8, 1, 6, 10, 6, 6, 7, 4, 2, 5 = 65/13 = 5.00
5. Deathbird: 1, 3, 5, 2, 9, 3, 5, 8, 4, 8, 8, 7, 6 = 69/13 = 5.31
6. Phoenix: 9, 6, 7, 6, 8, 4, 7, 9, 1, 1, 5, 4, 3 = 70/13 = 5.38
7. Elektra: 8, 11, 8, 3, 3, 7, 2, 5, 3, 5, 1, 8, 7 = 71/13 = 5.46
8. Hulk: 5, 9, 11, 4, 6, 8, 1, 4, 8, 6, 6, 6, 8 = 82/13 = 6.31
9. Apocalypse: 7, 4, 4, 9, 10, 9, 3, 7, 9, 4, 11, 10, 10 = 97/13 = 7.46
10. The Leader: 12, 7, 12, 12, 7, 10, 11, 10, 10, 10, 7, 11, 9 = 128/13 = 9.85
11. Weapon X: 10, 12, 10, 10, 11, 11, 9, 12, 12, 11, 9, 9, 11 = 137/13 = 10.54
12. Lady Deathstrike: 11, 10, 9, 11, 12, 12, 12, 11, 11, 9, 12, 12, 12 = 144/13 = 11.08