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I've been waiting for ole shellhead to comeout forever but come on, what's with the attack rating???????!!!!!! For as pricey as his point values are you'd think it would be higher. I'm ok with an 8 for rookie, I mean, it's supposed to be an old armor but for E & V, if he can mutli target 8+ missles with a targeting computer and take them out it's gotta be higher!!!! I know he's "just a guy", but he had lessons in hand to hand from Captain America!!! Sure he's no Robin or Bucky but jeez he should be able to hit. I gotta tack on two Hydra's and someone with perplex to hit anything!!!!
He's stood toe to toe with the Hulk, beat Mandarin and Crimson Dynamo(which either can wipe him out easy), on and on.
There needs to be an Iron Man unique in every upcoming Marvel booster set to fix this. Nobody likes Elektra/Daredevil that much!
Mournblade
03/03/2003, 13:22
Iron Man is completely perfect. I cannot find ANYTHING wrong with him. I look at his stats and think, 'My god! It's perfect!'
He has a low(er) attack value. It's beautiful because he's a billionaire playboy genius with a penchant for building gadgets. He doesn't have a 7 because he has targetting computers and crosshairs. He doesn't have a 12 because he's a billionaire playboy with a penchant for building gadgets.
I love E. Iron Man's dial. It's one of the great ones and speaks volumns of the character, and that's hard to do when you're assigning numbers and colored blocks. You see the change, you see the re-routing of systems, the onboard tinkering, the adjustment of power... you see Iron Man! Dude in armor!
Stop yer #####ing because this trollish behavior is getting out of hand. God gave you a brain along with your opinion, so use it too. :)
Originally posted by Mournblade
I love E. Iron Man's dial. It's one of the great ones and speaks volumns of the character, and that's hard to do when you're assigning numbers and colored blocks. You see the change, you see the re-routing of systems, the onboard tinkering, the adjustment of power... you see Iron Man! Dude in armor!
LOL!!!
You must be looking at a different figure. I wouldn't field Iron Man - E in an army if WK sent me a check to do it. 161 points for a top AV of 9? He has an AV of 7 when he gets his close combat attacks? And guess what? You can regen him back to that AV of 7. Wow!!
I see Iron Man sitting on KO a lot in the future.
It won't be long after the set comes out that the Iron Man fanatics are going to give up on him in frustration.
I agree. This figure really shows the hard work and tough decisions that Jon L went through to bring us this set. Not only are the stats something novel and different, they are an almost perfect representation of the character. I especially enjoy the "rerouting auxilliary power" part of the dial where Invulnerability comes back and he changes from a ranged hitter to a close-up brawler.
Things to remember:
1. With this set, the bar for defense is set even lower. with a 9 attack, Iron Man has almost 50-50 odds of hitting a 16 defense, which is actually high for this set.
2. Don't count out damage reduction and Running Shot. While Mandarin is a tough foe, surely, IronMan has a good chance of making a first strike with no Toughness to protect his enemy.
3. Iron Man IS a team player, after all. With allies, he only gets better.
4. As far as the cost goes, well, sometimes options are more important than raw power. This may not be as true in Tournament battles, but that leads into my next point...
5. In battles that are for fun, Iron Man is an excellent choice! I mean, great sculpt, lots of powers, what more could you want?
Don't answer that....
Some people are never happy.
StealthArmor
03/03/2003, 13:42
I retract my original statement ill wait until i see the vet version before i cast my 2 cents.
the rook and exp are not that bad except that the attack values drop like a stone but if he does hit look at the damage he does
charge with superstrenght cool.
Mongoose
03/03/2003, 13:45
You must be looking at a different figure. I wouldn't field Iron Man - E in an army if WK sent me a check to do it. 161 points for a top AV of 9? He has an AV of 7 when he gets his close combat attacks? And guess what? You can regen him back to that AV of 7. Wow!!
Yeah what were they thinking. I mean with the 5 damage that really blows. I mean he only has a potential 15 range. Man I don't think I will ever use him. In case you haven't noticed i'm using sarcasm. Stop whining, that character can mop the floor with the majority of the people he comes across. If he hits Mandarin once, the fight is all over.
Stark himself can fend off thugs...which is about the same rating he has! Only one point for his computers by your reasoning...what's he have on, WinNT? Freakin Ultron and Doom must be running their custom linux. Even with "his onboard tinkering" he'd be lucky to HIT ANYTHING. Looks like just about any of Iron Man's foes could beat the holy snot out of him. I don't expect a 12, 10 be ok. Just another overpriced useless Avenger. Only thing he could possibly good for is frying medic's and other lower cost figures at a distance. I think I read more than my share of Iron Man comics to get a good idea how he is COMPARED to other heroclix. Perhaps I'll be happy when I see his rating for veteran.
I see where you coming from Rotu and I agree. Yet he can only be used in high point games...he's my fav, I gotta use him all the time!!! I'm sure they'll put out atleast one unique that will be to my liking "cough, Armor Wars", tad disappointed is all. I'll still use him, just with the help of his enemies...AIM!!!!
shin-goji
03/03/2003, 13:52
Wow, I guess with your dreams dashed on the rocks like a case of X-Plosion tossed from a cliff there's not that much to live for, is there? Guess the best solution is to take your Hero-Clix and donate them to the needy homeless.
Seriously, it's just a game. If his having a 10 attack would make you happy and he starts with a 9, is a single point THAT big of a let down?
Well yeah, he was just about the only figure I wanted from the set. Every point helps when your rolling the dice.
StealthArmor
03/03/2003, 13:56
somebody post the vet stats
Agentofthebat
03/03/2003, 13:56
Okay guyz...
Agree to disagree!
I have been an Iron Man fan for a long while, and when I look at some of the figs with higher attack values...I may disagree a little...BUT I haven't played with the fig yet either so I'm reserving judgement.
Just keep in mind that the figs aren't totally based off the comics and roll with it.
LurkMaster2000
03/03/2003, 14:06
valid points for either position, but i'll stick with the "iron-man got hosed" side.
161 points for a figure who will have a hard time hitting a 37 point figure whose name rhymes with kinvisible swirl - not to mention anybody she touches? plus, he'd need a roll of 9 to hit exp mandarin from range; 10 if he's in hindering terrain.
i'd trade a click or two of outwit just to get each attack value up 2 points... what good is RCE or super strength if he can't damage anybody?
but really, it's nothing that a couple of con artists can't fix... ;)
Originally posted by Mongoose
Yeah what were they thinking. I mean with the 5 damage that really blows. I mean he only has a potential 15 range. Man I don't think I will ever use him. In case you haven't noticed i'm using sarcasm. Stop whining, that character can mop the floor with the majority of the people he comes across. If he hits Mandarin once, the fight is all over.
Go ahead. I'm sure your opponent will thank you for the 161 points. In case you haven't noticed, IC can still be used.
If he hits Mandarin ... :rolleyes:
trutildeth
03/03/2003, 15:09
Originally posted by FTracer
Well yeah, he was just about the only figure I wanted from the set. Every point helps when your rolling the dice.
So spend 11 points on a Con Artist and perplex his AV. Voila, 10 AV.
Ok.
I've just spent 172 points for my 300 point army.
I have a whole 128 points to finish it off.
I think I'll use Vision instead.
I was thinkin AIM medic but that'll do too ;-) Hmm actually why not two AIMs and a con man?
Before this becomes a flaming riot I'd like to point out some things:
1. I'm VERY glad Iron Man is out and I can use him. I really like the different powers he has which I think will make him an interesting piece in a group.
2. I'm disappointed in a low attack rating. Doesn't mean I want to do unspeakable acts to Wizkids and the guys that thought up how the game works.
3. By far I think Wizkids is doing a hecka job making all these games up.
4. I do not whine about the ability to airlift figures or how Firelord cheeses things, it's "just a game" and I can deal with those things. Firelord usually dies a horrible death...
5. It's just an opinion from a fan of Iron Man, no more no less.
"Well yeah, he was just about the only figure I wanted from the set. Every point helps when your rolling the dice."
Hey, man, I'm feelin' ya.
I got into the game ONLY because of Thor. So I can understand why you're a little upset over Iron Man. Trust me, I'm a major Iron Man fan myself.
If you have an honest gripe over a figure, you're more than welcomed to state your opinion on the matter (that's what America is all about) as long as no one is insulted in the procces.
Sometimes, certain fans hate to hear a different opinion than theirs......
Thunderbolts
03/03/2003, 16:08
Just another overpriced useless Avenger.
There are no overpriced useless Avengers.
the itsy bit
03/03/2003, 16:12
Originally posted by shin-goji
Wow, I guess with your dreams dashed on the rocks like a case of X-Plosion tossed from a cliff there's not that much to live for, is there? Guess the best solution is to take your Hero-Clix and donate them to the needy homeless.
Seriously, it's just a game. If his having a 10 attack would make you happy and he starts with a 9, is a single point THAT big of a let down?
I don't like Iron Man !
wow a whole 7 AV, he has even trouble hitting a thug !
was he drinking when he made this armour ?:p
you're a judge ?!
for this much points his AV's should have been higher across his dial (for when he spikes up).
nothing above a 9 (IF that makes you feel happy), but just better.
honestely..
If you want to say something at least back it up with facts.
"Thanks Vegeta1."
No problem, FT. Just look at it this way, the man DOES have a $#!+load of powers that most figures don't have like RS, Invulnerability, RCE, etc, etc.
Trust me, something tells me that he's gonna be a MONSTER in the game.
He will definitely be side-to-side with my Thor figure. :D
I think he has perfect stats.
He has the potential to more damage than Thor. That is fine he has great armor and gadgets. However there is no way that Iron Man should have an attack of 12 or 11. His vet should have 10 which is fine since Thor has a 12 attack. Honestly you didn't think Iron Man could be more accurate than Thor? That is my justification for his low attack value. Iron Man has the versatility, Thor has the sheer fighting skill, Captain America has the Agility, Vision has the Mobility, Quicksilver has the speed, Scarlet Witch has the hexing, Black Panther has the Brains, Hulk has the Brute Strength, Quasar has the Defense, Black Panther has the Wits, She Hulk has the Strength, Hercules has Muscles and Consistency, Black Widow has the Sneakiness, Hawkeye has the range, Wasp has the taxi, and Ant man has the ants. Together they make the AVENGER!!!!
Veggiehater
03/03/2003, 16:42
Well Iron Man didn't turn out quite as expected. I really don't mind him topping off at a 9 or a 10 but what I don't like seeing is how it drops quite fast.
If he kept his attack at that level like Bane, Doomsday or Batman do, then he'd be awesome. Now he's just a "strictly for fun use" fig. Though I'll reserve my final judgement for when the Vet's stats come out...
VH
the itsy bit
03/03/2003, 17:26
Iron Man shouldn't have a 12 AV !
I'm just saying he should have a yo-yo effect (like his powers):
low high low 9,7,8,9 etc.
all those nice colors on his dial cost points, but for a 160+ point fig I was expecting something a bit more usefull.
Billy Jack
03/03/2003, 17:40
Actually I took a long breathe and read the iron man stats before this thread. Now I'll admit that I was confused by the rookie having perplex, but other than that the character is fantastic. Waay better than i could do personally. Poor whiz kids it's like there darned if they do darned if they don't. About the whole attack thingee is it me or should cap have the highest attack value of all the avengers? Save maybe thor.
Originally posted by Veggiehater
Well Iron Man didn't turn out quite as expected. I really don't mind him topping off at a 9 or a 10 but what I don't like seeing is how it drops quite fast.
If he kept his attack at that level like Bane, Doomsday or Batman do, then he'd be awesome. Now he's just a "strictly for fun use" fig. Though I'll reserve my final judgement for when the Vet's stats come out...
VH
Exactly! Someone finally figured it out.
It's not that his AV is a 9, it's the lack of consistency in the attack that makes IM not worth fielding on a serious team. You can't push him, and someone outmaneuvers you, your stuck with a close combat figure with a thug AV.
Everyone singing his praises now will be posting an Iron Man stinks! thread later on... expecially when they keep turning him to KO.
"If only I made that one shot, Mandarin would have gone down... " :rolleyes:
"About the whole attack thingee is it me or should cap have the highest attack value of all the avengers? Save maybe thor."
Maybe the Pantheras well. Definitely lower than Thor's
You know something-----
I just read Iron Man's stats in the Warrior section for his R and E versions.
HE'S AWESOME!!!!!!!!
I honestly don't think there's any reason to complain. He's only 2 stats lower than Thor in Attack value.
He's gonna be a MONSTER in the game, and absolute MONSTER!!!!!
Angelripper
03/03/2003, 18:50
No. He won't.
malchyor
03/03/2003, 19:30
there are alot of innovative, efficiently costed figures in this set:
a 20 point probability controller
a 36 point phasing taxi
an 8 point medic with 2 clicks of support
a 100pt vet abomination
a number of good xmen fliers
but this is the one thing i disagree with the most: iron man having such a low low attack value. justify it how you want (and claim that you can't make all the fans happy), but the fact remains that ol' shellhead is in the useless pile because of his low attack stats.
but then again, i'm a DC player!!!! so who cares?
Ironman44
03/03/2003, 21:15
Inlcude me on the list that feel Iron Man is awesome (which judging from this thread if 50% of us).
First off we have not seen his veteran stats, if he bust out with a 10 attack he will be one of the best figs in the game period. As it stands his expereince fig is extremly powerful. We're not playing one on one games here for the most part. With a Mandroid unit in tow (which incidentally Tony created) he has the possibility of dropping 6 clixs on you...c'mon fellas that is dangerous. Even if he moves , he is a flying mobile tank with 10 movement, 10 range, 17 Inv dropping 4 clixs (with mandroid armor tow). that is a flying tank fellas.Trust me he will be avoided in the first few turns of the game when his 9 attack needs just an 8 rolled (same chances as a 7 or a 9)to hit almost ALL the figs in the game. They will be running and hiding before he takes any damage.
how about the intangibles?
Outwit, regeneration, the charge when you MIGHT need to knock out an already damaged figure to win the game. He is opportunity incarnate. Study the figure and think out of the box a bit....do I dare say it??? Just like TONY STARK would.
Manchine
03/03/2003, 21:22
Sorry I like how Iron Man is made.
Mongoose
03/03/2003, 22:32
I'm sorry but i don't see Iron Man as being a better fighter then Wolverine or Sabretooth. Sure the computers help to guide his energy beam attack and all, but he really isn't a gifted fighter. i'm almost positive that the veteran has a 10 AV, but I bet that that won't be enough for the complainers out there. Looking just at his experienced stats, I can see that i'm gonna be in trouble. He may not be another Firelord, but he has lasting power. and that running shot makes it easy for him to stay away from the sluggers (AKA Abomination and Hulk).
shin-goji
03/03/2003, 23:38
FTracer, if you are that bad of a player, I hear that Strawberry Shortcake is making a comeback. Invest your energy elsewhere. Go play with the Hamburgler and Mayor McCheese.
Hulkamania
03/03/2003, 23:44
shin-goji,
seems to me you been talking trash a lot lately.
pick up your clix, me and ftracer will take you out, punk.
shin-goji
03/03/2003, 23:47
I'm accused of talking trash from someone who's handle is named after a washed up, has been, balding wrestler.
Sure, no problem.
Hulkamania
03/03/2003, 23:50
anytime you wanna haul your southern-fried inbred a$$ up here, i'll buy you a first class bus ticket.
if i need to break that down in one syllable words for ya...
COME GET SOME.
normally i don't like to match wits with an unarmed person, but in your case, i'd make an exception, loudmouth.
get your dice. we're ready. think your husband will let you out of the house, big man?
shin-goji
03/03/2003, 23:54
*Uncontrollable laughter*
Oh man, seriously, you made my day. ANytime I need my faith restored in humanity, fate comes along and gives me a Value sized dose of monkey juice. Thank you, yankee. From the bottom of my heart. :)
Hulkamania
03/03/2003, 23:59
anytime, shin.
but seriously, Ftracer is a good player. our group meets couple times a week and he's not as dumb as he can sound. I.M.'s been his pet peev for a long time, and when he got a low AV, well that pushed Ftracer over the edge. But I'll throw a few games for him, and he'll think I.M. is the greatest thing sinced sliced bread.
anyways, it don't matter who wins or loses, it's all about the fun of the beatdown.
This can't end well.
And count me on the "looks great" list. He seems pretty effective for a team. How many figs are capable of doing that kind of damage that far into their dial?
shin-goji
03/04/2003, 00:02
Too true! I'm looking forward to this set. The greatest dissappointment in any clixer's life is that their hero/villian isn't represented properly. I got lucky, Spiral and Sentinel are fully realized to their potential. And it's not about the fun of the beatdown, it's who takes out Firelord more like a chump.
Hulkamania
03/04/2003, 00:04
aww, ya hadda bring up firelord..... geez....
yes, i'll let I.M. take out my rookie firelord.
but I.M. better prepare for my clan of hand ninja rookies!
Ironman44
03/04/2003, 00:10
If played correctly iron man will be much like a Thor fig. He will be a mobile piece that can rule the battlefield and hardly get hit. He won't do as much damage because of his low attack but wait until I pair him up with a Mandroid suit (designed by Tony) and the potential for a running shot at 10 range for 4 clixs will be something to watch. (god forbid someone comes at him and he does not have to move and he drops 6 clixs on the enemy fig with a roll of 8 ....that roll would hit a 17 defense , almost any fig in the game and for 6 clix of damage!).
With this strategy and set up he is costing 161 +28 for the mandroid, that's 189 total (in Thor's range) and he gains Outwit to boot as well as a host of other powers...(wait until it's late in the game and your facing some damaged figs and all of a sudden iron man can charge , outwit or regenerate).
I think IM looks very playable. The low AV is something we deal with everytime we take a click.
Similar to Ftracer's feelings on Iron Man - Shin-Goji wrote:
The greatest dissappointment in any clixer's life is that their hero/villian isn't represented properly.
I am a huge Fantastic Four fan. The Thing has lower than deserved Attack stats across the board and Mister Fantastic makes me very sad.
Conversely, I'm just happy that I have been playing with the FF and Doom since November.
Imagine all the Punisher/Namor/Silver Surfer/Ghost Rider/etc. fans that will be waiting for another set after X-Plosion before they can field their favorite heroes.
I'm also happy to see Tony Stark sobered up long enough to pose for his sculpt.;)
Originally posted by thjimmy
I'm also happy to see Tony Stark sobered up long enough to pose for his sculpt.;) I didn't think it was possible to win one of these threads, but you just did! Congrats!
TheYanger
03/04/2003, 05:01
Forgot to mention...'The Incredible' is for hulk. Iron Man is 'The Invincible'.
the itsy bit
03/04/2003, 06:49
Originally posted by shin-goji
Too true! I'm looking forward to this set. The greatest dissappointment in any clixer's life is that their hero/villian isn't represented properly.
my point exactely, my Hero isn't presented properly (by that I mean Colossus,Storm and Mystique NOT IM)
Am I going to say something aboot that: YES !!
the Old buckethead has 1 great click his first one after that he plummets !
sure the Scarleth Witch can make him try to hit twice a turn, but for that cost ?!
All I know is IF I where a IM fan I would've been dissapointed !
And yes, I did look at the V version of him.
I don't care, field him ! after the first hit it's just easy points for me.
:p
Veggiehater
03/04/2003, 07:03
Well I agree with the itsy bit, but I'd like to point something out.
Jon L said that if this isn't YOUR Iron Man, just hang tight and wait for future sets. He'll probably take our feedback into account and do something similar to what he did to Spidey and the Hulk.
Until then let's just all be glad that there is an Iron Man to bide the time from now til then. To those who don't like how he translated into clix, at least you won't be having too hard a time choosing whether to field Iron Man or Mandarin. ;)
VH
Besides from the looks of this Iron Man he looks like the 1960's version. Which is not the powerhouse of today or the mid-80's.
"FTracer, if you are that bad of a player, I hear that Strawberry Shortcake is making a comeback. Invest your energy elsewhere. Go play with the Hamburgler and Mayor McCheese."
What the heck, how old are you? For a judge you sure talk enough trash and whine alot.
Like I said before, perhaps there will be a unique or LE I'd be happy with. All I'm saying is for the point cost he should be up an AV OR his rating not goto hell that quick. I could list alot of figures Stark is better at fighting but I'm not gonna bother. Is he on par with Wolverine, Cap or Thor? No. If anyone actually READS the comic you can see what he can do. Yeesh.
My bad, should have caught that invincible. FTracer angry!
Yeah Iron Man has a great scuplt, and I WILL USE HIM, but with lots of backup.
Next guy I'm waiting on is Ghost Rider, right now I have a mod of him. Took Vet Controller, repainted and tweaked Sabertooth and I'm happy with that.
Hulkamania....prepare for the smackdown at tonight's game. Throw a few games my arse. Beware the fishstick!
At this point I'm going to assume this isn't Iron Man at his current level in the comics but when he first used the old red and gold (horn head) to the end(before Silver Centurion). Then I can see the stats the way they are. Cause at this point I'm tried of talking about it.
Because Heaven Forbid someone can actually HAVE an opinion and express it.
Veggiehater
03/04/2003, 09:11
Originally posted by TheLion
Everyone singing his praises now will be posting an Iron Man stinks! thread later on... expecially when they keep turning him to KO.
"If only I made that one shot, Mandarin would have gone down... " :rolleyes:
Sorry only noticed this now but...
LOL! Hey Lion should this end up being the case or not, it still made me chuckle. Good one. :)
VH
Well Vet Iron Man's stats are up, which I am impressed with, this is what I wanted...except the point cost...argh...
Before I hear "it'll never be good enough for you...", think about this: For a point more you could get Kang, Thor's cheaper?, ten more for Doom. I dunno, it would be nice to have all the Avengers on a team, they get pricey for what little they have(Cap, Hawkeye).
OH WELL, I can deal with it. I think I'll buy some Strawberry Shortcake to ease my nerves... Don't knock Mayor McCheese and the Hamburgler, best 100 pt team ever made.
Hmm more I look at the vet, he's a deadly mofo...running shot with range of 16?????!!! YEAH BABY! Move over Dr.Doom. I know my gaming group, he's on the first to kill list due to that. I usually use Steel as Iron Man(custom blizzard), looks like like Rhodes and Stark teamin up! I'm happy now....oh yeah. Toss on some AIM's, conman and someone with outwit...armor should be called "Death Machine."
shin-goji
03/04/2003, 10:16
What the heck, how old are you? For a judge you sure talk enough trash and whine alot.
31. For someone who started a thread about how hosed Iron Man is, you call me a whiner? It would be impossible to field a 300 point team of all the Avengers. Play a 500 point game. And I saw your Mayor McCheese team at Worldcon. You stalled for 19 rounds then had the Fry Guys fly Grimace up to Firelord and kill him with 2 clicks on the final round. Total cheese man, total cheese.
I've seen you other posts in threads...you do go on alot if you don't get your way. As for not being able to field an Avengers team is a jip, just about every other team can.
As for Firelord, he had it coming. If you use him you deserve what you get...and no I didn't say he's broken...just a cosmic putz. You forget, once Grimace gets angry he gets close combat fighter to add to his five damage.
shin-goji
03/04/2003, 10:39
Aw contrare [sp.], I go on for alot when I DO get my way.
Veggiehater
03/04/2003, 10:39
FTracer,
You should consider pairing up Experienced Taskmaster with Iron Man...
Tasky thanks to his MOD team ability can provide some cool Hydra support to Iron Man's AV, oh and once Tasky reaches that second click of his the fun really begins thanks to enhancement.
Range 10, 2 arrows, running shot and enhanced energy explosion! *shudder* ;)
VH
Yeah Taskie has that quasi Avenger thing going...Ultra Hawkeye
;-)
I do believe the Vet IRonMan has a 12 speed with running shot, 10 range, and a 10 or 11 attack with RCE. For like 198 points.
Running shot, move half your move and full range...16. Wasn't sure if you were stating his stats or thought I was off on range.
Starts with 10 attack. Currently at 189pts on the warriors page.
Toss him a taxi and he could put a deadly first strike on your enemies team.
darkietum
03/04/2003, 11:13
Iron Man and the Avengers won't stand a chance when Vet Taskmaster steps on to the Doomwagon!
Doom, the 'Bots, Spiral, Klaw, Tasky - looks like a 500 pt a$$whoopin' if I ever saw one!!
Heh heh
Unless Spiral biffs it like she did last week...hahah.
darkietum
03/04/2003, 11:18
She just needed to bloody her swords and stretch her legs - with Tasky as backup, its gonna get ugly.
Notice I changed my Avatar to better suit my disposition!
Yeah but you didn't have anyone in your lineup to use team abilites. Hulkamania's got a good mod he wants to spring on ya.
darkietum
03/04/2003, 11:26
We'll toss in some Hydra Ops, SHIELD traitors and maybe a captured Avenger (Witch, maybe) for the free move.
If you don't get a case, I'm sure I'll have alot of extras to trade off since I'm picky on who I want. Iron Man, Mandy, Hand!, Gambit and a few others. Most this set I'm not interested in. Probably get 12 boosters then rest from the fav place.
Hulkamania
03/04/2003, 17:15
Darkietum,
I do believe that, after the tourney last Sunday, Spiral got the
FRIGGIN LIFE GIBBED OUTTA HER by Clay Quartermain, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D.
I don't even need mod figures to take her out. Six armed illegal alien scum, meet earth justice!
Speaking of earth justice, wonder what'll happen to FTracer's precious Iron Man when Judge Dredd pulls him over for drunk driving?!
Ironman44
03/04/2003, 19:12
Ftracer-
I am proud of you buddy. Iron man Veteran is a deadly mofo. Thank goodness you saw the light. Welcome to the Iron Man whoop ### crew.
take care.
Originally posted by TheLion
LOL!!!
You must be looking at a different figure. I wouldn't field Iron Man - E in an army if WK sent me a check to do it. 161 points for a top AV of 9? He has an AV of 7 when he gets his close combat attacks? And guess what? You can regen him back to that AV of 7. Wow!!
I see Iron Man sitting on KO a lot in the future.
It won't be long after the set comes out that the Iron Man fanatics are going to give up on him in frustration.
I will. Jon L is trying to make the figures comic book accurate, and IM wouldn't have that high an attack...he's just not that good a combatant...on the other hand, he gave Silver Samurai an 11 on his vet version, which I think is too good! Still, this is the 'most common' interpretation of Iron Man...could he have a higher attack? Sure, on some different version of the armor. I agree his point value is high for what he does attack-wise, but I'll still use him.
TheYanger
03/04/2003, 19:27
You obviously don't read anything with iron man in it. He has the most sophistocated targetting computers ever created.
I've been reading comics with Iron Man in them for over 25 years.
Originally posted by TheYanger
You obviously don't read anything with iron man in it. He has the most sophistocated targetting computers ever created.
I love quotes like these. Does every version of his suit always have the best targeting computers EVER created? Even the first one? I don't read IM comics that much, I've seen him miss. C'mon.
Personally I think they did a fantastic interpretation of iron man. I love the seeing both running shot and charge present (very appropriate) as well as regeneration to simulate repairs or jury-rigging the armor to last a few more minutes in battle. The only thing that I didn't get was the perplex in the rookie, but it makes it an interesting piece to field. you can tell a lot of thought went into these pieces.
For all those who only want to field 200 pt. teams of avengers .... stick to capt, black panther, wasp, scarlet witch, hawkeye, and quicksilver .... when the big guns are present (iron man and thor), its gonna be a HUGE game.
Any Heroclix piece made will never please everyone. Except of course for E Black Manta. :p
Ironman44
03/04/2003, 19:51
Yanger I have every Iron Man comic ever made in volume 1-3 over the course of 36 years except 23 issues.
I played the marvel role Playing game 1984-1992 I strictly played Shell head.
I am a frequesnt visitor to the Iron Man forums.
I am an expert on Tony Stark and his suits of armor.
This is my opinion:
Let's talk about the intangibles?
Outwit, regeneration, the charge when you MIGHT need to knock out an already damaged figure to win the game. He is opportunity incarnate. Study the figure and think out of the box a bit....do I dare say it??? Just like TONY STARK would.
I think that if the game designers would of given him an 11 or 12 attack then the fig would be out of balance. Tony does do many unpredictable things, he constanly pulls out gadgets. I really think that the spirit of the character was captured perfectly. I should know as I own almost every single iron man comic ever produced. Yes he's expensive, but he's cool as ####.
Well, I'm glad I'm not the only Iron Expert out there, nor am I the only guy who thinks a HeroClix figures' usefulness is dependant on an 11+ attack value...Thanks Ironman44.
It's useless debating the "experts" on Iron Man.
Just nod politely when they go into the IM lecture and write down the victory points when he clicks him to KO.
Originally posted by TheLion
It's useless debating the "experts" on Iron Man.
Just nod politely when they go into the IM lecture and write down the victory points when he clicks him to KO.
Unless you were at Megacon or shelled out $25 bucks on ebay (if you were ... ya got me), why don't you hold off dissing shellhead until you actually use him in a game?
the itsy bit
03/04/2003, 20:26
Originally posted by TheLion
It's useless debating the "experts" on Iron Man.
Just nod politely when they go into the IM lecture and write down the victory points when he clicks him to KO.
this isn't a game of kicking the bucket (-head).
you know the funny part is: I'm saying IM is underpowered and the tin can's fans say he's perfect !:p
I'm OK with that, they will start the whining when I get easy KO's on him !!:D
Originally posted by Ironman44
Inlcude me on the list that feel Iron Man is awesome (which judging from this thread if 50% of us).
First off we have not seen his veteran stats, if he bust out with a 10 attack he will be one of the best figs in the game period. As it stands his expereince fig is extremly powerful. We're not playing one on one games here for the most part. With a Mandroid unit in tow (which incidentally Tony created) he has the possibility of dropping 6 clixs on you...c'mon fellas that is dangerous. Even if he moves , he is a flying mobile tank with 10 movement, 10 range, 17 Inv dropping 4 clixs (with mandroid armor tow). that is a flying tank fellas.Trust me he will be avoided in the first few turns of the game when his 9 attack needs just an 8 rolled (same chances as a 7 or a 9)to hit almost ALL the figs in the game. They will be running and hiding before he takes any damage.
how about the intangibles?
Outwit, regeneration, the charge when you MIGHT need to knock out an already damaged figure to win the game. He is opportunity incarnate. Study the figure and think out of the box a bit....do I dare say it??? Just like TONY STARK would.
Man, I couldn't agree with you more. And this is coming from an Iron Man fan who's probably been reading Iron Man longer than virtually most people on this board.
I'll say it again, he's ONLY 2 points below Thor in Attack value, the way it SHOULD be. And I just read the stats on V Iron Man.
I'm tellin' you guys, he's an absolute monster!!!!
I am prefectly happy with Iron Man's stats now. To me this Iron Man isn't the current one, just the old red and gold armors, Mark 3 and 4. Try http://www.advancediron.com for info. I only issue I had if this was suppose to represent the current armor which doesn't seem to be the case. Can't wait to put him in an Avengers lineup now. Just imagine what War Machine stats would be....
shin-goji
03/05/2003, 09:28
I think War Machine should have his sculpt held together by duct tape...
shin-goji
03/05/2003, 09:32
Because it would be funny... :)
Originally posted by IJIT
Honestly you didn't think Iron Man could be more accurate than Thor?
Well, yes actually, since he has computer enhanced accuracy. I've seen him hit hundreds of moving targets in an instant. He just willed it to happen and his computer moved his hands in a blur of superhumanly fast, ultra-accurate shooting. Heck, during the Dragonseed Saga the lead dragon, a being with centuries of combat experience, was awed at Iron Man's fighting skill after seeing him shoot three targets on three different sides of him in an instant. And just a couple of issues later, Iron Man grabs a bullet out of the air that's about to hit Black Widow. The guys skill and speed are computer enhanced to at least Thor's equal.
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