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anonym0use
11/01/2010, 11:31
I'm thinking of writing an article on value and wondering what figures have kept their financial value through the years?

As I see it there's a number of factors playing into financial value - which is at its base, what people are willing to pay to own. Sentimental value is another thing entirely, and hard to rate on a wide scale.

I see financial value stemming from rarity first - the more exclusive a piece, the higher the value. Of course some items are almost too rare - collectors and completists can't hope to own *every* single paint master, much less one of a kind figures like The Spider or the Stan Lee prize from Emerald City Comic Con. From my perspective, value starts at a Chase level rarity, followed by variations (WoS Nightcrawler), with Convention Exclusives and LEs ranking slightly higher than SRs (given that SR's are available through over the counter purchases, but LEs & Con figures have to be bought or won).

But where do brick figures tie in? Some are numbered, others are not. It seems like while Brick figures are somewhat rare (limited to +5000?) they would still be more plentiful than many SRs (given a case count of ~10,000 per modern age set, with about half of any sets SR in a case).

Aside from rarity I see two other factors determining price. First is power level. Power pieces always demand a higher going rate - the point and click crowd love the Power Cosmic TA, or in the case of Crisis - the Uber-Supermen. Anything with a 300+ point value is sure to turn some heads, as is the ability to do something no other figure can. LE Susan Richards & Cosmic Spider-Man could shoot through walls.

And then there's the matter of character popularity affecting value as well. Hippolyta was questionably the cheapest figure from Origin, behind the Quintessence TA Wizard Shazam, and the Wild Card abusers Lois & Alfred. If the character or variations of characters (Marvel Zombies) aren't easily available through other means it drives price as well.

Add any three of the factors: Rarity, Power level, popularity and you increase a figures cost.

But it makes me wonder about figures like Victor Creed, which I see priced ~ $100.

Powerful? Not especially. Not game breaking like some.
Popular? I suppose. There are plenty of other variations though.
Rare? I guess.

How rare is Victor Creed that he can justify a C-note price tag? Will his price hold in the coming of GSX?

Faster Than Flash
11/01/2010, 12:38
Just an addition to the OP:

In mtg: Cards that are hard to get are worth more (for collectors).
Overpowered/Brokeness are always high value unless banned.

Azrael0626
11/01/2010, 12:38
One figure that I have seen hold it's value since it came out is the KC Green Lantern from Legacy. To this day it is still a very strong and playable piece. Not to mention that Legacy was hard to come by and the popularity of the KC characters. I'm sure I can think of more, but that is the first one that came to my mind.

Immortal_Raven
11/01/2010, 12:50
I'd love to see an article on this. You've got a good start, so I'll just throw in my additional factors.

-Playability is a huge factor I've seen. Take HoT Captain America. Popular figure, but so are any number of rares in modern age. But his popularity, playability at 72 points, and the ability to use multiples have driven his price way up. I imagine if WoS Nightcrawler was not a unique, then his price would be up as well. Looking at figures from older sets, popular figures and figures that still hold up against the power creep still hold some value.

-Availability on the primary market. The simple fact that one cannot find HoT, Crisis, and Legacy has driven prices of the pieces in their sets up. The fact that you have to go to ebay or Realms or one of the online retailers and purchase a figure as a single has driven price up. Cosmic Spidey and Deadpool are expensive now, but as more boosters get opened, their price may decrease. Their price may also decline when DC75 comes out and WoS is no longer the new hotness.

-This may not be a holding value thing, but concurrency to current comic storylines bumps a price considerably, especially if the comic is good and well-received. Crisis Sinestro used to be just another super-rare. Now he's on par with some lower to middle end chases. If they came with a Dark Reign or AoA comic, Apocalypse and Dark Beast would probably go up in price along with several others.

-Immortal_Raven

d_knight7
11/01/2010, 17:07
Gold and women. And golden women, I guess.

KO Bossy
11/01/2010, 18:08
When Zombie Hulk came out, he was going for 150-200 easily. Nowadays, 125. So I'd say he's kept his value pretty damn well, especially considering that Supernova was released 4 years ago this month.

spike1138
11/01/2010, 18:24
I think the value of Crisis Sinestro has stayed pretty high, in part due to it being the only version in the yellow and black Sinestro Corps suit and it being the only Sinestro made since Legacy. With two more Sinestro figs expected in DC75, I wonder how much value the Crisis version will keep?

Azrael0626
11/01/2010, 19:20
I think the value of Crisis Sinestro has stayed pretty high, in part due to it being the only version in the yellow and black Sinestro Corps suit and it being the only Sinestro made since Legacy. With two more Sinestro figs expected in DC75, I wonder how much value the Crisis version will keep?

I hope it drops quite a bit because I still need one. I have had a few offers for him out of the blue suddenly. I guess people anticipate his value dropping when the new one comes out.

spike1138
11/01/2010, 19:24
Has anyone done a price check on Nightcrawlers recently? I'm curious as to how the WoS version stacks up to the Clobberin' Time U and Kurt Wagner LE.

maddragon13
11/02/2010, 00:49
How rare is Victor Creed that he can justify a C-note price tag? Will his price hold in the coming of GSX?

Well, he's extremely rare. That's why he still sells in the $100 range. And he'll continue to stay in that price range long after GSXM comes out. Just like Rupert. ;)

Rarity is the main determining factor in the longevity of a figure's value, followed by "hotness".

Obviously rarity outlives the hype. Certain "hot" characters, such as Jane Foster, CT Nightcrawler, and Irene Adler once sold in the $70 range due to their playability back in the day. Now granted, they are a bit more limited in their availibility than say U Super Skrull from CT or LE Emil Blansky from Xpl, but their prices have all dropped to the $20 and under range because all those figures aren't in short supply anymore. Jane Fosters and Irene Adlers are availible to most people that want them now-a-days due to WizKids cleaning out old stashes at conventions and what not. And truth be told, CT Nightcrawler was never really in short supply, but everyone wanted one because of his playability early in the game. And now that the "hotness" of these types of figures has worn off, and availibility has gone up, these figures only command a shadow of their former selling value.

Figures like Victor Creed and Rupert have never become more availible than they once were. Matter of fact, they've become less availible as collectors hold on to these rare figures. I'd think that these figures values might even rise in the coming years!!!

AlienFlanders
11/02/2010, 01:20
Another one to "keep" its value is the Promo Ninja Wolverine.

maddragon13
11/03/2010, 00:11
Another one to "keep" its value is the Promo Ninja Wolverine.

The one figure missing from my collection... :disappointed:

Wade Wilson
11/03/2010, 02:53
Most of the KC figures from Legacy...also Parallax

tidge
11/03/2010, 21:22
How rare is Victor Creed that he can justify a C-note price tag? Will his price hold in the coming of GSX?

If the Victor Creed price hasn't dropped by now, I doubt it will be much affected by any new versions in Giant Sized X-Men.

If the Victor Creed figure has held its value (I have not checked) I imagine it is because that particular piece for a few historical reasons:

1) It was (for years) the most costly (point wise) of all the Sabretooth figures...and "more points" almost automatically translates into "more value"...And even the Ultimates vet was only a single point more.

Corollary to 1) Like many figures of it's time, this piece is NOT the most cost effective version. HOWEVER...this was an LE version of a brutally cost-effective figure (the IC Experienced version) and this figure was a clear upgrade of that figure...so players could easily see what the extra points got them. Not all LEs are so clear cut.

2a) It was, from a character perspective, playable on a wide assortment of comic-inspired teams. Age-of-Apocalypse, Exiles, X-Factor, Marauders, etc.

2b) It was a version of Sabretooth that did not have an Arch Enemy base.

I know that I played the heck out of my Victor Creed on many different comic-inspired teams, even when he wasn't the best min-max choice. For me the dial was "good enough" for the cost, and I could almost always make it work.

I was lucky (I suppose) to arrange on online trade that saw me have to give up a bunch of Frank Schlichtings and Hypertime LEs for it. (This would have been around the time Clobberin' Time was released) I think I got the better deal.