How do you feel about DC 75th Uncommon Supermans dial?

[Clclix]

So I thought it was worth a poll to gather thoughts on the new Superman from DC 75th. From the options listed, what best describes him for you?

Link to dial page (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=293995)

[krusticlese]

Post the dial. :tired:

[Clclix]

Because of one of the options in the poll, not posting dial, but I put a link to the thread in.

[Slayer_Xtreme]

I think the dial is good for a Superman. Its nice to see one at around the 170-180 range and isn't all beefed out with high stats and HSS. People won't think its a good rep of Supes because they think ones like V Icons and the Crisis Chases are better but if you want a Superman for this point range this is a good dial.

[dantheman5999]

They keep making superman after superman, but they all have problem after problem. O well the real superman is the Crisis chase. All these others just don't cut it. I wish I had the chase tho.

[Terman8er]

So I thought it was worth a poll to gather thoughts on the new Superman from DC 75th. From the options listed, what best describes him for you?

Link to dial page (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=293995)

LOL! Dude...great minds, etc... I just submitted, pretty much, the exact same poll.

[tyroclix]

I like him a lot.

He seems like a Superman that you put on a team. Prior to him the "Superman" I used was either the R Icons Supes or more often the "Young Superman" from the Legion starter.

This version fits nicely between them. Just a quick sculpt swap and he'll be ready to join the Justice League at 900-1000 points.

Hawkgirl - 71
Superman - 173
Green Lantern - 151
Flash - 114
Martian Manhunter - 202
Batman - 47
Wonder Woman - 108
(866 - leaving 34 points for feats)

[Wade Wilson]

Superman doesn't even have permanent willpower! And he looks like Lois Lane just shot Krypto!!!!

[MopedKid86]

I think he's pretty good. That last click could be 18 with defend, but its a minor gripe at best.

Really good for a low (relatively speaking) cost Superman. And even though I hate Superman, I'd play that.

[Darth Sabre]

Would have been better if you had posted the dial instead of making people go looking for it in a thread that is pretty convoluted with other figures' dials, just saying.

That being said, I think that for a Vet Superman, the dial is not accurate. A 2 damage value is inexcuseable, unless it is caused by a game effect, SP, or ability that represents Kryptonite.

I do not understand the Battle Fury, other than as a way to prevent him from making ranged attacks, on his Flurry clicks. If you took away the BF, it would make for a solid Experienced version of Superman.

His poor sculpt just makes things worse.

Don't get me wrong, it's not bad per se, but it's not really Superman.

So I comment, without voting.

[MopedKid86]

Would have been better if you had posted the dial instead of making people go looking for it in a thread that is pretty convoluted with other figures' dials, just saying.

That being said, I think that for a Vet Superman, the dial is not accurate. A 2 damage value is inexcuseable, unless it is caused by a game effect, SP, or ability that represents Kryptonite.

I do not understand the Battle Fury, other than as a way to prevent him from making ranged attacks, on his Flurry clicks. If you took away the BF, it would make for a solid Experienced version of Superman.

His poor sculpt just makes things worse.

Don't get me wrong, it's not bad per se, but it's not really Superman.

So I comment, without voting.

Well, ignoring that he's a Vet, because REV really means very little anymore.

Supes generally really cuts his Heat Vision loose when he's tired and getting beat. With no reducers, it qualifies.

Battle Fury with Flurry is a good way to show someone losing it a little bit. Supes only cuts loose when he's very upset. Hence Flurry/Fury

Haven't seen the sculpt yet, though I imagine a few hours of modding could do the plastic body good.

[Darth Sabre]

Well, ignoring that he's a Vet, because REV really means very little anymore.

Supes generally really cuts his Heat Vision loose when he's tired and getting beat. With no reducers, it qualifies.

Battle Fury with Flurry is a good way to show someone losing it a little bit. Supes only cuts loose when he's very upset. Hence Flurry/Fury

Haven't seen the sculpt yet, though I imagine a few hours of modding could do the plastic body good.

I disagree. Even when he cuts loose, he's still very much in control and has been known to use his heat vision both up close and at range. Also, Superman is NEVER immune to the effects of mind control...see Maxwell Lord and Poison Ivy in Infinite Crisis and Hush. I like the dial, but the Battle Fury is inaccurate. I would have rather they done something different than given him Battle Fury. It just doesn't make sense for him.

For Wolverine and Sabretooth: they get so far gone after they reach a point, that people like Psylocke and Professor X have been unable to enter his mind and calm him down.

I can usually find ways to explain weird powers from a comicbook accuracy standpoint, but in this case I simply cannot. Really I can see this as more of a game mechanic used to reduce his cost.

[Havickzbeck]

Also, Superman is NEVER immune to the effects of mind control...see Maxwell Lord and Poison Ivy in Infinite Crisis and Hush.

Thats simply not true Darth.

Not only was Superman immune to Brainiac's mental control, and although it did damage to Superman's Psyche (thats when his mind went a bit and he adopted the Gangbuster persona before exiling himself in space) Max Lord had to constantly work at Superman's mind "for years" before he could control his perceptions. And his domination of Superman isn't even his regular pure domination as he was making Superman simply see things that were not occurring rather than bending his will.

As for Poison Ivy, dude she used Synthetic Green K to accomplish that.

Having said that I HATE seeing battle fury on Superman.
Its just out of place unless you're talking about an elseworlds Supes like Son of Darkseid Superman.

[WakandaMan]

I think they gave him BF just to stop him from using range at that point. It's annoying the way that BF kind of has three seperate, distinct purposes: Immunity to Mind Control, loss of range, and an 'enraged character' (which really only applies when assigning feats with the pre-req). It's a dumb power.

Especially when Hulk is too angry to throw objects. He's just as likely to throw things when angry.

[Darth Sabre]

Thats simply not true Darth.

Not only was Superman immune to Brainiac's mental control, and although it did damage to Superman's Psyche (thats when his mind went a bit and he adopted the Gangbuster persona before exiling himself in space) Max Lord had to constantly work at Superman's mind "for years" before he could control his perceptions. And his domination of Superman isn't even his regular pure domination as he was making Superman simply see things that were not occurring rather than bending his will.

As for Poison Ivy, dude she used Synthetic Green K to accomplish that.

Having said that I HATE seeing battle fury on Superman.
Its just out of place unless you're talking about an elseworlds Supes like Son of Darkseid Superman.

I didn't read anything like that about Brianiac trying to mind control Superman, so I don't know what you are referring to and can only assume that it has somethign to do with the Brainiac story that leads into New Krypton? I'm way behind.

As for the Max Lord, I don't remember that. But that is not to say that I am saying you are wrong. I just haven't read it since it was released.

The Poison Ivy thing I recall, now that you mention it.

Nonetheless, his range being affected is still not something that I can see being justified.

SOD Superman was given a range value of 0, because he didn't use his ranged abilities during the story.

[Havickzbeck]

I didn't read anything like that about Brianiac trying to mind control Superman, so I don't know what you are referring to and can only assume that it has somethign to do with the Brainiac story that leads into New Krypton? I'm way behind.

I'm talking about waaay back during teh John Byrne era and just after.
Remember when Superman exiled himself into space which led to the pre-Crisis introduction of Mongul?
What I refered to led up to the "Exiled in space" story arc.

As for the Max Lord, I don't remember that. But that is not to say that I am saying you are wrong. I just haven't read it since it was released.

The Poison Ivy thing I recall, now that you mention it.

Nonetheless, his range being affected is still not something that I can see being justified.

SOD Superman was given a range value of 0, because he didn't use his ranged abilities during the story.

And I completely agree with you on that one!
I did go back and re-check the Sacrifice Tpb, and the Hush Tpb just to make sure I wasn't mis-remembering things just for the record.
I'm compulsive like that!
Theres 2 things that get my goat with peoples general perception of Superman:
How often people think he has no mental defenses.
How often people think he can't fight.

There have been soooooo many stories told that show neither to be true at all, but despite that they are both very common misconceptions...

[Darth Sabre]

I'm talking about waaay back during teh John Byrne era and just after.
Remember when Superman exiled himself into space which led to the pre-Crisis introduction of Mongul?
What I refered to led up to the "Exiled in space" story arc.

After he killed Zod? I know he went into exile, but I have not read that yet. I believe I am only on the Third Man of Steel Trade.



And I completely agree with you on that one!
I did go back and re-check the Sacrifice Tpb, and the Hush Tpb just to make sure I wasn't mis-remembering things just for the record.
I'm compulsive like that!
Theres 2 things that get my goat with peoples general perception of Superman:
How often people think he has no mental defenses.
How often people think he can't fight.

There have been soooooo many stories told that show neither to be true at all, but despite that they are both very common misconceptions...

LOL! I am compulsive also. I went and checked a few things, though not from my collection as it is in disarray and would have taken forever for me to locate those stories (I have the individual issues).

I'll gladly make your case for you:

Superman has a technique that he employs called Torquasm Vo, a Kryptonian discipline, which allows him to fight off the effects of mental domination.

I stand corrected! ;)

[Havickzbeck]

After he killed Zod? I know he went into exile, but I have not read that yet. I believe I am only on the Third Man of Steel Trade.

Yup, after he killed Zod. "The Exiled in space" arc is a little while after that.



LOL! I am compulsive also. I went and checked a few things, though not from my collection as it is in disarray and would have taken forever for me to locate those stories (I have the individual issues).

I'll gladly make your case for you:

Superman has a technique that he employs called Torquasm Vo, a Kryptonian discipline, which allows him to fight off the effects of mental domination.

I stand corrected! ;)

I buy the singles and then often get the tpbs or Hc's and sell the originals, collected editions are so much better for organizing, and being able to quickly go back and check stuff!
I miss Torquasm Vo, it hasn't been used rougley since when Mark Shultz stopped writing Superman comics around the Our Worlds at War era.

[Clclix]

No need for 2 polls for the same thing.