I am Reminded of Magic

[VenomDaBomb]

When Magic:the Gathering first came out there where some really powerful cards. Everyone who was really in to turnyies used them and won! Making the sence upsetting to may who did not making the same decks over and over and to those who did not have the cards.

I see the same thing with firelord, doombot, Bane and bulleye. At Heroclix turnys. So why not do want magic did! Ban Firlord. He is still there for causal play and lots of turnys can still allow it with house rules. I just saying when magic ban Channel and limited moxs and black lotus The game itself became BETTER.

Heroclix has the same strg and depth in it to make a great game. It just has to remove the easy way outs that they created!

Its just a thought. And if anyone thinks this is a whine post GO TO HELL! I am just saying that magic did it and its one of the most played games in teh world with turnys that go up to a million dollar prizes!

[napa]

Until Wizkids changes thier policy they won't ban any figures.

[Logan Myrddin]

'S a good idea.

[VooDoo Child]

Truly I think Xplosion will equalize some of those figures a lot more then magic ever did with the Power 9 cards. Firetard’s life is short lived now. V Mandarin Mind controls Firetard from 12 squares away and uses Firetard to jack up is own teammates. And that’s just one of my favorite new ways to deal with Firetard. There are many more that will come out.

[Thorgrin]

Firelord isn't as bad as he used to be. It's soooooo simple to counter firelords that it isn't even funny. Heck, I'd rather have a Crimson Dynamo that has invulnerability rather than a firelord with barrier. Sure firelord costs a little cheaper, but one hit (in which he shrugs no damag) and he's hurt quite a bit. Next, target the medic and now he's really reeling.

No offense, but banning figures is wrong unless it's totally off the scale. i.e. a vet Dr. Doom that costs 25 points would be worthy of a banning discussion. Firelord is a good hitter, but he only does 3 points to stealthed characters, where as a vet she-hulk can do up to 6 points of damage (charge w/heavy object in tow) to either a stealthed or normal figure PLUS has the fantastic four or avenger ability PLUS has invulnerability (so once you hit firelord, firelord is pretty much toast). *yawn*

[zeppelined]

All of the banning, restricting that they did with Magic really hurt the game. Yes, it solved some short-term problem cards, but in the long term, it drove a lot of people away from the game (among other reasons). I spent $12 on a card and built a really cool deck, and now that card is banned and the deck doesn't work? Wow, thanks. How about you give the players a little credit and let people come up with viable counter strategies? There is always a counter strategy. And Firelord is not terribly difficult to deal with, to create a counter strategy for, or even to just kick his butt. He's nothing compared to, say, Necro/Ivory Tower/Zuran Orb.
Also, consider that the most powerful HC figures are not necessarily the most rare. It's a lot easier to get a Firelord than a set of Moxes.
Banning would be a terrible idea for HeroClix.

Ed

[metzgarob]

Originally posted by napa
Until Wizkids changes thier policy they won't ban any figures.

ok this is a little out of context but...

they've already retired 2 LE's (antman and yellowjacket)

and the batman and spidey promos are not tourney legal (banned)

who's to say there wont be more like these

also what IS their policy... where can i read it

[Fogs]

Speaking of comparisons to Magic, one of the things I've been wondering is how the prices on individual figures will go once a set becomes discontinued. The prices on Magic Cards shot through the roof once they were no longer available. Of course it was a while ago that I played....

[Thorgrin]

Retired and banned are two separate categories.

Retired doesn't mean you can't play them, just means they aren't making any more.

As far as Promos. They were PROMOTIONAL. I.E. never meant to be in tournaments. Kind of like a promotional interest rate. At one point it's not a valid interest rate after a certain point of time. In this case, they were NEVER valid. It didn't matter if the pieces were right on the money, over powered or under powered. They weren't legal from the gitgo. They were just there to show what the game was going to be about.

Thus no figures have ever been banned that have either A. Been bought (i.e. boosters/starters). B. Won in a tournament. or C. Given away as a LE for purchasing x amount of dollars at a convention.

As far as I know, the promos were given to stores to generate interest in the game and not given out as prizes or for purchasing x amount of product.

Originally posted by metzgarob


ok this is a little out of context but...

they've already retired 2 LE's (antman and yellowjacket)

and the batman and spidey promos are not tourney legal (banned)

who's to say there wont be more like these

also what IS their policy... where can i read it

[RavenProject]

Originally posted by metzgarob


ok this is a little out of context but...

they've already retired 2 LE's (antman and yellowjacket)

and the batman and spidey promos are not tourney legal (banned)

who's to say there wont be more like these

also what IS their policy... where can i read it

"Retired" means you can no longer acquire the figures from WizKids. They're still tournament legal.

There are a number of retired Mage Knight sets, but all of the figures remain legal for play.

The Spider-Man and Batman promos are another matter. They aren't legal figures that were later banned; they were never legal figures to begin with.

-J