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WizKidsNECA
12/08/2010, 09:30
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Hello there HeroClix fans!Today’s previews (that’s right, plural!) are straight out of the DC 75th Anniversary OP Kit.
Let’s begin with the Airport Terminal!
[Read More on WizKidsGames.com (http://wizkidsgames.com/blog/2010/12/08/let-this-be-our-battleground/)]
Ravenous
12/08/2010, 09:38
love the double sided map cant wait to [play on the hawk world side.
The airport is cool. Not sure on the other one.
CanadaEH
12/08/2010, 09:39
can someone please post for us unfortunate firewall folks..thanks
after further inspection, it is cool also.
Munchoboy
12/08/2010, 09:42
can someone please post for us unfortunate firewall folks..thanks
Here you go, pics attached.
Orange Square rules for Airport Terminal:
Special Rules:
Orange squares are moving walkways. At the beginning of each turn, each character completely occupying a moving walkway square that cannot use the Flight ability must move as if they had a Speed value of 1 and automatically breaks away. This move starts with the character closest to the thick orange line and must be in the direction of that thick orange line.
Orange square rules for Hawkworld:
Special Rules:
Orange squares are Open Air (Low Gravity). After actions resolve, if a character who can’t use the Flight ability occupies an Open Air square, deal them 1 unavoidable damage, then that character’s owner may place them in their starting area. Non-carried objects in Open Air squares are removed from the map. Open Air squares are otherwise treated as clear terrain.
Sharkbite
12/08/2010, 09:50
Some guys who don't monkey around...
Looks like we'll get at least two monkey repaints. Maybe Grodd and Ultra-humanite. Though if there isn't a green monkey, I'll be a monkey's uncle.
Herrbrane
12/08/2010, 09:57
Usually I don't like orange terrain (makes things too complicated) though Hawk world is awesome. However, what is so historically (in DC) significant about a Airport?
Terman8er
12/08/2010, 09:57
I was underwhlemed at first (has anyone ever been whelmed?) but then the moving terrain got me thinking....hmmmm...OW!...gotta stop doing that.
Milo Garret
12/08/2010, 10:02
I like the Hawkworld map.
saturnflight
12/08/2010, 10:03
First off, fantastic to get two maps!
I still don't have the WoS Bridge (sad!), and need to be sure I don't miss these two like I did WoS. I love the locations; it's so refreshing to see them really stretching their imaginations to unique battlegrounds with interesting effects. I'm stoked to have an airport for something completely different; and while Thanagar probably wouldn't have been choice #1 for an alien world (in a set with no Thanagarians at all), I do like what the map looks to add to a game experience.
Here's hoping for Attilan in GSX!
Count_Aight
12/08/2010, 10:07
I am looking forward to running a Checkmate or S.H.I.E.L.D. vs terrorist airport attack. Also, it may be Hawkworld but to me it will be Ysmault for me. Just pretend the orange spaces are lakes of blood and the rock wall is the Wall of Pain.
So now that they have figured out the concept of coveyor belts, they should go back and re-release the DC Junkjard map. And add that any character in the compactor squares takes a damage at the end of the turn...
Jarimy123
12/08/2010, 10:16
I believe the siginificance of the airport map has to do with the Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 airport terminal map on multiplayer. That's just my guess though.
Awesome to get 2 new maps - so freaking awesome!
I like the fact that the special rules are printed on both sides near the starting areas that's a great idea
but I've noticed that two out of the 4 maps are huge shooting ranges
Hawkworld and the Crater map are tough going for any bricks
ibeatdrew
12/08/2010, 10:22
Glad people are excited about the maps!
Nice to see 2 maps. Hawkworld is a nice change of pace that looks like a fun challenge. The airport, while a nice location, is a straight up shooting gallery. Not sure I dig that. Have to play it to find out. But I am happy with 2 maps.
The airport, while a nice location, is a straight up shooting gallery. Not sure I dig that.
That's what I thought at first, but then I realized that figures in the starting area can quickly exit the indoor area and seek shelter in the outdoor regions. They'll have to break down a wall or two near the center of the map to enter combat, though, but that's better than no protection at all.
That's what I thought at first, but then I realized that figures in the starting area can quickly exit the indoor area and seek shelter in the outdoor regions. They'll have to break down a wall or two near the center of the map to enter combat, though, but that's better than no protection at all.
Good point. I just counted, if a grounded figure starts in the corner farther from the door, on the top he has to move 11 squares to get outside. On the bottom, only 9. Obviously, with a small team, start closer to the door, but on a team with a lot of minions, it could be an issue. I had not noticed the tunnel is all indoor. I was looking at the big open areas.
I'll have to play it to see what I think.
Please note that these are made by GridReality (http://www.gridreality.com)'s own ibeatdrew! That guy is a map-making machine! I really like the Hawkworld map ... looks very cool!
I really like Hawkworld but both maps feel like shooting galleries. I would have preferred an open map (Hawkworld) and more walls for the indoor map.
And can someone tell me how the heck Wonder Woman is gonna get her horse through airport security?
I really like Hawkworld but both maps feel like shooting galleries. I would have preferred an open map (Hawkworld) and more walls for the indoor map.
And can someone tell me how the heck Wonder Woman is gonna get her horse through airport security?
Are you going to tell her no horses allowed?:laugh:
TheRedHood
12/08/2010, 11:17
Love the Hawkworld, looks like it will be a lot of fun. Airport is a welcome addition. Two different things then what we currently have. As Ihsan pointed out, you can blast walls. I think a lot of people don't think of that(myself included sometimes) because you don't want to feel you are wasting actions. Can't wait. Getting even more psyched! :cool:
fastcat99
12/08/2010, 11:22
Woo-hoo! Good times to be had by all!
fastcat99
12/08/2010, 11:23
I really like Hawkworld but both maps feel like shooting galleries. I would have preferred an open map (Hawkworld) and more walls for the indoor map.
And can someone tell me how the heck Wonder Woman is gonna get her horse through airport security?
Maybe it's an invisible horse?
rollinsolo
12/08/2010, 11:48
I love both maps, yeah maps, go maps, rah rah maps. Give me an M, give me an A, give me a P, give me an S, what's that spell? MAPS!
gatharion
12/08/2010, 11:49
My first thoughts were along along these lines:
"Huh, an airport? That seems sort of random. Looks like an okay map and not something we've seen before, but not very iconicly DC for this particular set...Wait, TWO maps?! HAWKWORLD!! YAY!"
I'm very happy that we're getting two maps and as a huge Hawkman fan, getting Hawkworld is some unexpected awesomeness.
However, in a set without Hawkman, Hawkgirl, Thanagarians, or even Man-Hawks, it seems like a rather random inclusion.
There are a few DC locations that are more iconic in nature that I was expecting and really hope that we see before too long.
Such as:
Gotham City, one with some rooftops housing gargoyles and the Bat Signal!
Themiscyra
Mogo
Oan Power Battery
Apokalpse
Fortress of Solitude
CarlosMucha
12/08/2010, 11:53
No Hall of Justice Map? :surprised :p
Hawkwolrd looks awesome!
Repulsor rage
12/08/2010, 11:55
those look really lo-fi and almost replica of the skyscraper map special rules. At least I can play a Langoliers theme
theemaxx52ad
12/08/2010, 12:29
My first thoughts were along along these lines:
"Huh, an airport? That seems sort of random. Looks like an okay map and not something we've seen before, but not very iconicly DC for this particular set...Wait, TWO maps?! HAWKWORLD!! YAY!"
I'm very happy that we're getting two maps and as a huge Hawkman fan, getting Hawkworld is some unexpected awesomeness.
However, in a set without Hawkman, Hawkgirl, Thanagarians, or even Man-Hawks, it seems like a rather random inclusion.
There are a few DC locations that are more iconic in nature that I was expecting and really hope that we see before too long.
Such as:
Gotham City, one with some rooftops housing gargoyles and the Bat Signal!
Themiscyra
Mogo
Oan Power Battery
Apokalpse
Fortress of Solitude
QFT.
The whole set seems unthematic. I love the inclusion of Hawkworld, but it would make so much more sense if this was a Hawk-heavy set. Any GL world would have made more sense, perhaps Coast City as it played a role in the recent White Lantern mess... Or Star City, with that funky forest.
The airport? Totally random. & can someone tell me if "must move 1" uses a move action?
edward_nigma
12/08/2010, 12:30
Orange Square: Full body TSA scan. Characters occupying this square may not use defensive powers.
spike1138
12/08/2010, 12:42
And can someone tell me how the heck Wonder Woman is gonna get her horse through airport security?
That horse is just going to have to be nice to the TSA agent who has to thoroughly search it. I'm just sayin'.... :noid:
Both maps look interesting. Man, I need to get some of those other GridReality maps now!
Kwol maps!!!
Hawkworld is a good answer to Cosmic Spidey.
On the off chance the local store I visit for my habits doesn't plan on ordering any 75th anniversary cases except on an as needed basis for orders placed by customers. Is there a way to purchase one of these maps or can an Organized Play kit be ordered by said store without ordering cases?
fut_baller
12/08/2010, 13:10
So if I am reading this right on Hawkworld map; I keep my Night nurse parked in my starting area. I send my grounded Speeder, RS or charge guy to attack and end up in a orange square, take 1 damage, then automatically back to my starting point so my NN can heal me? Maybe it will not work with RS or Charge if you are not allowed your attack after the action move (not sure about the wording) but it will with HS. Wow!
RavenProject
12/08/2010, 13:14
Glad people are excited about the maps!
So what's the story behind "083107?" :)
-J
That hawkworld map is making all of the forceblast in this set look a whole lot better!
maddragon13
12/08/2010, 13:25
I like Hawkworld. TK an Force Blast will be awesome on this map. The Airport is kinda bland to me.
The Arachnid
12/08/2010, 13:30
I like the Hawkworld map.
Verily. Time to make a Theme Team all with Force Blast and TK.
Need them both. Can't wait to play the Hawkworld one!!
macewyndu
12/08/2010, 13:37
I was thinking...... If you put an object on the "moving Walk-way", then you place a character with stealth in the "moving walk-way". Does the object moves with the character, aka "moving" stealth character and object together.
If this is the case, watch out for mademoiselle mare! or any character with stealth-range!
I hope this is the case. I can't wait for the official ruling on this map.
btw I love the double-side map. I don't mind hawkworld. But I would something a little more related to the overall theme of the set.
My choice of locations:
JLA - Hall of Justice
Batcave
Metropolis
Gotham City
MOGO
Central City or Keystone City
Titans Tower
Gorilla City
GRENDELX
12/08/2010, 13:38
Sealed Johnny Quick on Hawkworld...Hmmm guess that activation click isn't going to be that big of A deal.
fut_baller
12/08/2010, 13:40
Another tactic that just came to mind w/ Hawkworld. If i am based by a flier who is on orange square and i outwit his flight not only is he damaged 1 but also I get an automatic break away...yes please!
Jarimy123
12/08/2010, 13:55
Any map could of been made and anyone would of #####ed about it. Be happy that we are getting a double-sided map - that should be enough to have people rejoycing IM.
Should have been a WWII beachfront map, would have made more sense with Sgt Rock, Easy Company, GA WW and the other JSA members
Arsenalroy2k
12/08/2010, 14:01
Seeing the Hawkworld map, I immediately thought of the old Coming of Galactus rooftop map. This map should be hopefully easier to get, and better since there's (some) hindering.
But the airport map... wow! That is a stealth team's new favorite!
Weird picks though for such a lantern heavy map. You'd think that they'd have done some kind of new space map or something.
Darth Sabre
12/08/2010, 14:17
That's awesome. Sucks that we will no longer receive OP prize kits. Gonna have to hit the trade/seller's market to obtain this.
Both of these maps look good!
It's a shame we didn't get Hawk-soldier generics in this set to go with the Hawkworld map!
And the Airport map should have an orange square to represent a TAS checkpoint strip-search! It should make any character carrying an object drop it, and maybe do 1 poison damage to represent the TAS x-ray search! ;) :laugh:
The Airport Map reminds me of RoboRally. :grin:
wonderboy8917
12/08/2010, 14:44
So Hawkworld can work like a Telephone Booth for non flyers if you have activation clicks, but it's even better cause you can do it more than once a turn? Sweet! Who's a non flyer that you want to click down to click 3 or more? Hulk?
Sarcanis
12/08/2010, 15:04
So wait, what's up with the UFOs on Hawkworld? They have ladders next to them and appear to be elevated terrain, which makes total sense, but I do not see any color change between their boundary lines and the open space boundary lines. Sure, red and orange look similar, but not so similar that I should be unable to tell the difference. Are they really considered open space and not elevated?
brnbngls
12/08/2010, 15:09
Forgive my ignorance, as this is the first set release I've followed on here and will be participating in brick purchase in, how does one obtain these maps?
Munchoboy
12/08/2010, 15:16
So wait, what's up with the UFOs on Hawkworld? They have ladders next to them and appear to be elevated terrain, which makes total sense, but I do not see any color change between their boundary lines and the open space boundary lines. Sure, red and orange look similar, but not so similar that I should be unable to tell the difference. Are they really considered open space and not elevated?
Upon closer examination, they look like they have elevated (red) borders to me.
Upon closer examination, they look like they have elevated (red) borders to me.
It looks to me like there is more than one level of elevated terrain.
The ladders show that they are considered elevated to the terrain around them, and that terrain is in turn elevated to the terrain surrounding it.
Have there ever been multiple levels of elevated terrain on a single map before? Did that happen on the Crisis map with the time zones?
mbstoner
12/08/2010, 15:27
I was thinking...... If you put an object on the "moving Walk-way", then you place a character with stealth in the "moving walk-way". Does the object moves with the character, aka "moving" stealth character and object together.
If this is the case, watch out for mademoiselle mare! or any character with stealth-range!
I hope this is the case. I can't wait for the official ruling on this map.
I'm thinking an object won't move, because the rules specify a character occupying the square. It actually doesn't matter though, because the squares adjacent to the walkway are already hindering.
These two levels of elevated terrain on the Hawkworld map bring up some questions:
If a character is on elevated terrain level 2 on square J2 can they shoot over the edge of elevated terrain level 1 square K2 to draw line of fire and hit a character on grounded (?) terrain in square L2?
Could the character on square J2 draw line of fire to hit a character on square J5?
Also, how does this effect SR Superman (#50)'s SP:
"LEAP TALL BUILDINGS: Superman can use leap climb. When he uses leap climb, if he starts his movement on elevated terrain and ends on grounded terrain, he can then make a close combat attack as a free action."
If he starts on elevated terrain level 2 and moves to elevated terrain level 1, is the level 1 terrain then considered grounded terrain for the purposes of this SP? Or is it always considered elevated terrain, regardless?
macewyndu
12/08/2010, 15:40
I'm thinking an object won't move, because the rules specify a character occupying the square. It actually doesn't matter though, because the squares adjacent to the walkway are already hindering.
You do have a point. :) I didn't even notice that. That even better.
turdburglar47
12/08/2010, 15:42
HAWKWORLD! THANAGAR! HOT DAMN!
I may never get my much-desired Katar Hol and Shayera Thal figures, but a Hawkworld map is pretty damn cool! Thank you!
Munchoboy
12/08/2010, 15:49
It looks to me like there is more than one level of elevated terrain.
These two levels of elevated terrain on the Hawkworld map bring up some questions
I think what you are seeing there is the border of the Starting area (Purple) and the border of the elevated terrain (Red) in the starting area.
I do not see two levels of elevated terrain, nor do I believe WK would introduce something like this without an accompanying rules primer/announcement.
eshuroger
12/08/2010, 16:00
Forgive my ignorance, as this is the first set release I've followed on here and will be participating in brick purchase in, how does one obtain these maps?
Attend any tournament, and they should have maps for you. I'm fairly sure to have extras.
eshuroger
12/08/2010, 16:05
I would guess that the Hawkworld map was included because of the Hawkworld sub-plot, going on in "Brightest Day". I still don't get my long awaited Thanagarian Hawksoldiers, but I'll take the map.
MuskieLodge
12/08/2010, 16:05
I think what you are seeing there is the border of the Starting area (Purple) and the border of the elevated terrain (Red) in the starting area.
Actually, it looks like the end-zone elevateds are surrounded by the starting areas, rather than part of them. So, no, you can't start with your favorite sniper on the elevated terrain before the game begins.
But then, I didn't play-test this map, like some Vermonters I could mention.
Muskie
I think what you are seeing there is the border of the Starting area (Purple) and the border of the elevated terrain (Red) in the starting area.
I do not see two levels of elevated terrain, nor do I believe WK would introduce something like this without an accompanying rules primer/announcement.
Then why the ladders?
Look at the elevated terrain in squares O4,5 and P4,5. It is clearly on other elevated terrain and it is not near the starting area.
And there is a ladder from one level of elevated to the other.
RavenProject
12/08/2010, 16:09
Upon closer examination, they look like they have elevated (red) borders to me.
I checked the map using Photoshop. There are indeed two different colors being used for the borders.
For future reference: There are a lot of color-blind people out there. Under most circumstances we can discern shades, but when you mix certain colors together (like, say red, orange, green, and brown) it becomes very difficult. Having those colors in very thin lines only makes it harder.
I have lots of trouble on the Secret Invasion map for similar reasons; it is very difficult for me to tell the hindering terrain from the blocking terrain because of the colors used.
The Hawkworld map looks cool, and despite the color confusion it's easy to tell which were meant as elevated and which were meant as "open air." But it definitely raises an issue to consider going forward.
-J
Munchoboy
12/08/2010, 16:14
Then why the ladders?
Look at the elevated terrain in squares O4,5 and P4,5. It is clearly on other elevated terrain and it is not near the starting area.
And there is a ladder from one level of elevated to the other.
Ah, that is the Elevated terrain (red borders) adjacent to the Open Air terrain (Orange squares).
I hope this helps. :classic:
I checked the map using Photoshop. There are indeed two different colors being used for the borders.
For future reference: There are a lot of color-blind people out there. Under most circumstances we can discern shades, but when you mix certain colors together (like, say red, orange, green, and brown) it becomes very difficult. Having those colors in very thin lines only makes it harder.
Agreed. Being slightly color blind myself, I empathize completely. ;)
Thanks for the two sided map wizkids! Can't wait to force blast some people off those cliffs in Hawk World!
You guys are right. On closer examination those are orange borders, showing the "open air/low gravity" terrain.
Thanks for your assistance and patience.
I kind of wish there had been two levels of elevated terrain. Lamp post Batman would have ruled on this map!
Silentscotsman
12/08/2010, 16:46
I've gotta say it reminds me of all the old platforming video games i grew up with. you know the ones where if you missed your jump and fell into the water/chasm/goo/acid/lava you had to start at the beginning of the level. classic.:laugh:
It just feels like someone had some fun with the maps, and considering all of the unique interesting SP's on most of the figures in the new set as well, It shows me that NECA/wizkids do care about the game. I'm not saying they get everything right (dear god that superman sculpt...:confused::ermm:) or that all the new SP's are good, that's all up for debate on a different thread. They do seem like people who want to have fun with it and push in new directions, which is always a good thing.:grin:
like both maps, but do you have to make a move action on the moving sidewalk? reads like you would, i'm guessing it should be a free automatic one space move rule.
Sarcanis
12/08/2010, 17:36
It doesn't say, "move action," or even, "action," anywhere in the text, so I can only assume there is no action involved in the moving walkway.
Skeet181
12/08/2010, 17:40
Glad people are excited about the maps!
Dude.....you got to do a football staduim!!!
wonderboy8917
12/08/2010, 17:50
Orange squares are Open Air (Low Gravity). After actions resolve, if a character who can’t use the Flight ability occupies an Open Air square, deal them 1 unavoidable damage, then that character’s owner may place them in their starting area. Non-carried objects in Open Air squares are removed from the map. Open Air squares are otherwise treated as clear terrain.
I just realized you can do a turn 1 alter ego of your choice on Hawkworld!!!
TK Eddie Brock onto the Open Air square. Have him take a click of unavoidable damage after every action resolves (including free actions) but don't place him back to the starting area until you arrive on the correct Alter Ego click. Finally give Brock a power action and change into Anti-Venom on turn 1! :cool:
Ignatz_Mouse
12/08/2010, 18:26
Anyone able to clixk on the maps to get a larger version? Looks like a link, but it doesn't work for me. I was hoping these would be print-and-playable!
tyroclix
12/08/2010, 18:40
These are quite creative. Very nice work. It will be interesting to see how they play - but it will be a very unique experience, that is for sure.
Airport: The People-Mover is really neat but the layout of the airport is VERY wide open. I don't like wide open maps. There is definitely a "better side" on that map, which I appreciate. Hint: Take the side closest to the desk - always.
Hawkworld - so abusive and nasty. This is gonna be like fighting on a tightrope.
Force Blast is gonna rule.
Offensive TK - ouch!
Outwit is gonna paralyze fliers.
Quake is 10x nastier.
And the activation click is 0 problem. Pick him up, drop him off the side and he comes back "activated" and cleared.
Feats: maneuver is even MORE borken, as it that is possible.
Characters - Someone has probably said it already... "BAMF!"
Tycomics
12/08/2010, 19:24
Usually I don't like orange terrain (makes things too complicated) though Hawk world is awesome. However, what is so historically (in DC) significant about a Airport?
it is pronounced an airport. ;)
check out DC showcase Green Arrow! :)
macewyndu
12/08/2010, 20:09
it is pronounced an airport. ;)
check out DC showcase Green Arrow! :)
I just saw DC Showcase Green Arrow, I know where wizkids got there inspiration for the airport map.
lukebuchanan
12/08/2010, 20:23
Hawkworld.........is...........awesome!!!
2 Gun Kid
12/08/2010, 20:40
I need to break out some of the old eXplosion Swat guys.
Totally going to have some CoD:MW2 reenactments.
ibeatdrew
12/08/2010, 20:49
A lot of love for the most part on the maps. Glad you guys like them. They were a lot of fun and quite challenging.
cartoonist93
12/08/2010, 21:18
I like the Hawkworld map.
Same here! Usually I don't really care about maps, me and my bro usually just play on the good 'ol hypertime map but this one looks cool!
rwint1968
12/09/2010, 09:13
Another great looking map! And it's two-sided, yeah!
:cool:
An airport is one of those maps I've been waiting a long time to see. Maybe I just had my hopes to high but I am a little disappointed by it. I think the chairs take up too much space and I would love to see some of that space go towards shops or maybe even a boarding section that allowed you to enter part of the plane. I do love the conveyor belt though.
I really don't read DC comics so I don't know much about Thangar but this map looks great. I also love the low gravity for it. I normally perfer maps that are more maze like with walls that block line of fire but I think this will be a lot of fun to play form time to time.
Byzantine
12/09/2010, 15:13
Hawkworld just may become my favorite map.
This also gives me hope of a Carter Hall LE being in the set.
I was hoping that the airport would have some touchy-feely TSA action as the orange special-squares.
How does the airport moving sidewalk work with Groot when it says he can't move?
Munchoboy
12/10/2010, 12:07
How does the airport moving sidewalk work with Groot when it says he can't move?
I presume Groot doesn't move.
*shrugs*
:classic:
Very cool maps I look forward to playing on them on our 2nd tournament week. Our first week will be played on the Stark Industries 3D map (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=295460) with LOTS of Prizes. If you are in SC come join us.
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