What's wrong with resurrecting threads?

[WakandaMan]

Someone recently resurrected an old thread of mine about the Black Knight dials from Fantastic Forces. Hardly a hot topic thesedays, but still worth discussing. It was also fun going down memoy lane and looking at the progression Wizkids has made since in set design.

But without any explanation the thread was closed. My question is...why? Discussion can still be had. Is there a rule that only 'modern age' sets should be discussed or something. ;)

Here is the thread: http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=137542

[Troma99]

and people complain when others DON'T Use the Search Function

[Steelmage2000]

"Because the dead should stay dead, the dead shouldn't come back. When they come back, they ain't right, they ain't the same, the dead should stay dead."

[Troma99]

"Because the dead should stay dead, the dead shouldn't come back. When they come back, they ain't right, they ain't the same, the dead should stay dead."

That is not Dead which can eternal Lie
And even with Strange Aeons Even Death May Die


"But Never Threads"

[adamkomar]

It is kind of odd that it was locked without a word from a moderator. Seems like there was actually some discussion going on about it.

[WakandaMan]

"Because the dead should stay dead, the dead shouldn't come back. When they come back, they ain't right, they ain't the same, the dead should stay dead."

While my hatred of all things zombiefied agrees with you, threads should be like super-villains (and superheroes). They never die permanently.

Unless of course they break one of the forum rules. ;)

[bossace]

we should all protest by posting on very old threads but staying on topic so it stays within rules

[WakandaMan]

It is kind of odd that it was locked without a word from a moderator. Seems like there was actually some discussion going on about it.

Which is exactly why I started this thread. It's not like it was breaking any rules (that I know of) just because it was an old thread.

[Troma99]

...arbitrary rulings are fun. ABUSE THE Power!!!!

[bossace]

Ageism!!!!

[llyrghmnghyll]

there is a limited amount of space that the front page offers, and most of that space is taken up by threads that reference topics in other threads. this kind of redundancy helps the forum maintain it's context. Older threads basically break that context and make the forum seem more random. a new poster has a harder time trying to make heads or tails of the discussion.

[brevard321]

Well, if we start resurrecting old HCRealms threads, the next thing you know,

Geoff Johns will start killing off much-beloved DC characters just to bring their bodies back as perverted versions of themselves, for no apparent reason....

and then those threads will get so off-topic they'll have to be closed.

And all because of Geoff Johns. :)

[WakandaMan]

there is a limited amount of space that the front page offers, and most of that space is taken up by threads that reference topics in other threads. this kind of redundancy helps the forum maintain it's context. Older threads basically break that context and make the forum seem more random. a new poster has a harder time trying to make heads or tails of the discussion.

The threads on the front page refresh all the time though, so basically whatever is a hot topic will show up there the most, even if occassionally there'll be something random there.

Just seems like uneccessarily messing with the natural order of things.

[phantalien]

That is not Dead which can eternal Lie
And even with Strange Aeons Even Death May Die


"But Never Threads"

I actually get this Lovecraft quote!

I closed the threads. Why? Because more often than not the thread is risen for no such constructive purpose. In addition to that, other people think it is cute to just find an old thread and resurrect it too. Not to mention all the blackest night references that are played to death.

[WakandaMan]

I actually get this Lovecraft quote!

I closed the threads. Why? Because more often than not the thread is risen for no such constructive purpose. In addition to that, other people think it is cute to just find an old thread and resurrect it too. Not to mention all the blackest night references that are played to death.

We're only supposed to post for constructive purposes now??


When did that rule come in??!!!! :confused:

[Troma99]

I actually get this Lovecraft quote!

I closed the threads. Why? Because more often than not the thread is risen for no such constructive purpose. In addition to that, other people think it is cute to just find an old thread and resurrect it too. Not to mention all the blackest night references that are played to death.

there we go. That's a completely fair and logical reason.
Than you for explaining.

And I'm glad you got that one : P

[adamkomar]

So, remember kids: Appeal to phantalien's sense of humor or your thread is goin' down! :p

[phantalien]

So, remember kids: Appeal to phantalien's sense of humor or your thread is goin' down! :p

Excuse me that is Phantalien with a capital 'P', banning for you. Banning for all of you. I also take bribes of money and clix. Or other collateral, pictures of girlfriends, shiny things, or money. Sorry no first born children as they need to be fed.

I try not to be a hard### but thread necro for no purpose really grinds my gears.

[KillerSavage]

Excuse me that is Phantalien with a capital 'P', banning for you. Banning for all of you. I also take bribes of money and clix. Or other collateral, pictures of girlfriends, shiny things, or money. Sorry no first born children as they need to be fed.

I try not to be a hard### but thread necro for no purpose really grinds my gears.
So it was closed as a personal preference? I'm not trying to be difficult but that doesn't seem aboveboard to me. Like I said I'm just saying. Sometimes those old threads can be fairly irrelevant.

[Ross...]

Basically, the mods get to use the extremely small amount of power they have for no apparent reason. But we all like to feel special right?

*locks thread*

[ccs]

Excuse me that is Phantalien with a capital 'P', banning for you. Banning for all of you. I also take bribes of money and clix. Or other collateral, pictures of girlfriends, shiny things, or money. Sorry no first born children as they need to be fed.

I try not to be a hard### but thread necro for no purpose really grinds my gears.

But it'd be perfectly fine though if we were to start a brand new thread discussing the Black Knights dial, his sculpt, his evolution through the years, etc?

[thebigZZZZZ]

count me in as one of the people who were puzzled as why the old threads are being closed....Phantalien....youre NOT the only moderator...I have seen another Moderator doing the same thing as you did...closed down one of the thread without explanation..just said "no old thread shall be brought back at all! grr" that is it. boom! closed! I was like "huh?" whoa...so it gave me the impression that the Moderators are doing the power trip. thats a bad sign, and it makes me want to less participating. LESS. :confused:

heres a good example of another one - link:

http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=273309&page=2

closed by Moderator d_knight7....mocking us at that thread.

[tom730]

Can we get a Mod to close this thread?:laugh:

[phantalien]

I forgot to quote the rules...

Ahem, I need to change colors to my mod voice.

Thread Necromancy – resurrecting long dead threads. Sometimes this is funny, sometimes its relevant. But more often than not its just annoying. In most cases we’ll just close or remove the resurrected thread, but if you do this a lot we may issue warning points.

It can be found here:
http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=221927

[adamkomar]

Edit: Rule Ninja'd by this ( ) much.
There is actually a rule about Thread Necromancy:
Thread Necromancy – resurrecting long dead threads. Sometimes this is funny, sometimes its relevant. But more often than not its just annoying. In most cases we’ll just close or remove the resurrected thread, but if you do this a lot we may issue warning points.


Although, it doesn't seem to be a hard and fast rule. I understand the reasoning for closing threads that are necro'd just because someone is trying to be cute, but when someone necros a thread because they want to continue discussion of the topic, I don't see any legitimate reason for closing the thread.

I see it as more polite and courteous to continue the discussion in an existing thread than to start a new one that will take up more space on the board and it keeps people from repeating points that have already been made and they didn't know it.

[KillerSavage]

Edit: Rule Ninja'd by this ( ) much.
There is actually a rule about Thread Necromancy:


Although, it doesn't seem to be a hard and fast rule. I understand the reasoning for closing threads that are necro'd just because someone is trying to be cute, but when someone necros a thread because they want to continue discussion of the topic, I don't see any legitimate reason for closing the thread.

I see it as more polite and courteous to continue the discussion in an existing thread than to start a new one that will take up more space on the board and it keeps people from repeating points that have already been made and they didn't know it.
Just goes to show "you can't win for losing". Open a new thread and get slammed for not searching for an old one. Bump an old thread and it gets shut down for being irrelevant and annoying. Maybe just read the old thread and if you feel strongly enough to comment about it try starting the topic anew.

[comical]

I forgot to quote the rules...

Ahem, I need to change colors to my mod voice.

Thread Necromancy – resurrecting long dead threads. Sometimes this is funny, sometimes its relevant. But more often than not its just annoying. In most cases we’ll just close or remove the resurrected thread, but if you do this a lot we may issue warning points.

It can be found here:
http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=221927

I'm 100% in the keep them open camp.
Killing conversation because any mod (but still an individual) don't like an "old" conversation seems to defeat the very reason to have forums. I'd much rather see a resurrection than a rehash of an already discussed topic as a new thread, which ends up being a duplicate but with the debunked points resurected instead. Even the policy indicates that if they're still relevant they should be fine.

EDIT: What adamkomar said! Which is basically the same thing but more eloquent.

[WakandaMan]

I think plenty of old threads can still produce great conversations.

I do find it interesting that there's actually a forum rule about it. I can see why it's there, but it does seem fairly un-needed to me. I've been a member here for over 8 years. in the top 30 posters (at least, last time I checked) and never even knew that!

[WakandaMan]

I think plenty of old threads can still produce great conversations.

I do find it interesting that there's actually a forum rule about it. I can see why it's there, but it does seem fairly un-needed to me. I've been a member here for over 8 years. in the top 30 posters (at least, last time I checked) and never even knew that!

Argh! Hadn't looked at it for about a year so I thought I'd go see. I've dropped to #46!

Ah well, Top 50 is still pretty good I guess. ;)

[spike1138]

I can see closing old trade threads that have been resurrected, since it's likely that what's being offered in the Haves is no longer available. I can even see closing some old rules threads that are no longer relevant because of new rules or whatever.

As far as other threads go? I suppose that should be something the mods look at on a case-by-case basis.

[adamkomar]

Argh! Hadn't looked at it for about a year so I thought I'd go see. I've dropped to #46!

Ah well, Top 50 is still pretty good I guess. ;)

Or completely irrelevant to the quality of your posts. ;)

I can see closing old trade threads that have been resurrected, since it's likely that what's being offered in the Haves is no longer available. I can even see closing some old rules threads that are no longer relevant because of new rules or whatever.

As far as other threads go? I suppose that should be something the mods look at on a case-by-case basis.

Sounds about right.

[Suttkus]

Should this thread be in the forum rules forum? I demand everyone who posts on this thread be banned for posting to the wrong forum! You would never catch me doing that!

[applejack]

I trust the mods to use their discretion when it comes to zombie threads. I suppose a baby might occasionally be thrown out with the bathwater, but for the most part it will cut down on confusion and keep the conversation relevant.

[invisibo]

6 month window seems reasonable--if the last post was within 6 months it's probably fair game for a thread necro (that gives enough time for any number of things to happen--new rulebook, new set that makes a figure/team worth discussing thanks to new figures, new rulings, a new comic storyline, a new comic team, etc.), but when you're bumping pointless stuff from 2003 it's just asinine.

[adamkomar]

How is it asinine to continue a discussion, making new points, of a subject that already has a place for its discussion when nothing has changed the relevancy of points that have already been made?

What's asinine is wasting time and space on repeating points that have already been made. By bringing back an old thread, you keep that from happening.

[readyeddy?]

I remember some dweeb making a stink about thread necomancy when I posted on a thread that hadn't been posted on for roughly a month.

[Magneticlaw]

Someone recently resurrected an old thread of mine about the Black Knight dials from Fantastic Forces. Hardly a hot topic thesedays, but still worth discussing. It was also fun going down memoy lane and looking at the progression Wizkids has made since in set design.

But without any explanation the thread was closed. My question is...why? Discussion can still be had. Is there a rule that only 'modern age' sets should be discussed or something. ;)

Here is the thread: http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=137542

Yeah - I'm curious to know if this PowerBomb expansion is ever going to get made - I think that players far and wide are tired of waiting for this long-awaited set.

[d_knight7]

count me in as one of the people who were puzzled as why the old threads are being closed....Phantalien....youre NOT the only moderator...I have seen another Moderator doing the same thing as you did...closed down one of the thread without explanation..just said "no old thread shall be brought back at all! grr" that is it. boom! closed! I was like "huh?" whoa...so it gave me the impression that the Moderators are doing the power trip. thats a bad sign, and it makes me want to less participating. LESS. :confused:

heres a good example of another one - link:

http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=273309&page=2

closed by Moderator d_knight7....mocking us at that thread.

"If you don't like it, go to Russia."

Seriously folks; we have a rule, we have flexibility in our allowed arbitration (GASP!) and we also have another rule about disrespecting the staff.

Voicing disagreement is fine, but rubbish about power trips and oppression is incredibly tedious and insulting, and frankly we have no obligation to take it.

Honestly, if you're going to rubbish the Mods I suggest laying it on me, because unless I'm having a bad day I'll probably laugh it off at least a couple of times. Whereas if I see anyone else being insulting to the hard working guys who keep this site ticking along completely free of charge or benefit I will put their butt in a sling.

Now, back to mostly good natured complaining that we sometimes shut down threads when they crawl from the grave seeking the fresh blood of the living to rejuvenate their putrid veins. :cheeky:

Peace out folks!

[d_knight7]

PS -

Try to realize how many faux pars, rule bends and assorted annoying tidbits we ignore on a daily basis. (Well, maybe not Phant, but he was manufactured by Skynet, so...)

Also try to realize that on anything where people are screaming "FASCISTS!" at us we have an equal amount of people bombarding us with complaints of laxness and demanding action.

Moderating the realms is often like a cop investigating a domestic dispute, you end up in the middle, and sometimes both sides end up shouting at you.

All the tail and free drugs is barely worth it some days.

[charlesdward]

PS -

Try to realize how many faux pars, rule bends and assorted annoying tidbits we ignore on a daily basis. (Well, maybe not Phant, but he was manufactured by Skynet, so...)

Also try to realize that on anything where people are screaming "FASCISTS!" at us we have an equal amount of people bombarding us with complaints of laxness and demanding action.

Moderating the realms is often like a cop investigating a domestic dispute, you end up in the middle, and sometimes both sides end up shouting at you.

All the tail and free drugs is barely worth it some days.

Wait, wait, wait... so how does one get into this moderation gig again?

I assume the "tail" you're referring to is, you know, human... and the free drugs are not Advil...

[d_knight7]

Wait, wait, wait... so how does one get into this moderation gig again?

I assume the "tail" you're referring to is, you know, human... and the free drugs are not Advil...



Typhon monitors our movements at all times at no extra cost, and often you just hear the whoosh of a blowdart and suddenly it's Tuesday.

[Magneticlaw]

And can I just conclude this pointless thread by saying to d_knight 7 that I really dig your avatar - Superman 3 was one of the worst movies of all time, but it is somewhat redeemed by that really cool scene where Christopher Reeve gets drunk, flicks peanuts at the liquor bottles, and then proceeds to fight himself - good stuff!

[d_knight7]

that really cool scene where Christopher Reeve gets drunk, flicks peanuts at the liquor bottles, and then proceeds to fight himself

Superman calls that the physical personification of his inner demons, I call it Friday night.

[KillerSavage]

And can I just conclude this pointless thread by saying to d_knight 7 that I really dig your avatar - Superman 3 was one of the worst movies of all time, but it is somewhat redeemed by that really cool scene where Christopher Reeve gets drunk, flicks peanuts at the liquor bottles, and then proceeds to fight himself - good stuff!
Still better than Superman Returns.

[Goldeeh]

Not according to the White Lanterns...

"Because the dead should stay dead, the dead shouldn't come back. When they come back, they ain't right, they ain't the same, the dead should stay dead."

[DemonRS]

Basically, the mods get to use the extremely small amount of power they have for no apparent reason. But we all like to feel special right?

*locks thread*

...so it gave me the impression that the Moderators are doing the power trip....



Statements like these annoy me to no end..

Let me be one of the first to say, I've never closed a necro'ed thread laughing at my "power" while I look at my glowing hands in a scene showing how maniacal I am. It's a button you click it and the thread closes.. Woo..
I'm so darn powerful..

[MaxFortune]

Statements like these annoy me to no end..

Let me be one of the first to say, I've never closed a necro'ed thread laughing at my "power" while I look at my glowing hands in a scene showing how maniacal I am. It's a button you click it and the thread closes.. Woo..
I'm so darn powerful..

You haven't. But I could easily name another mod/admin who has.

Most of the mods here are pretty good eggs. But that one guy's a total Grayson, and he knows it -- he delights in rubbing your nose in it everytime he issues a warning or infraction.

Which is probably the genesis of the occasional negative comments about the moderation around here, come to think of it.

[DemonRS]

You haven't. But I could easily name another mod/admin who has.

Most of the mods here are pretty good eggs. But that one guy's a total Grayson, and he knows it -- he delights in rubbing your nose in it everytime he issues a warning or infraction.

Which is probably the genesis of the occasional negative comments about the moderation around here, come to think of it.

If that's the case perhaps it's best not left to a public manner as it makes other moderators get annoyed for things they aren't doing.. perhaps in certain cases people should be looking to typhon with specific pieces of evidence supporting such things.

Typhon's reasonable and will reverse warnings or infractions if it's legitimate.

I'm just sayin... I don't like being looked at in a negative light for things i'm not really guilty of.. And I certainly can't be the only one..

[d_knight7]

You haven't. But I could easily name another mod/admin who has.

Most of the mods here are pretty good eggs. But that one guy's a total Grayson, and he knows it -- he delights in rubbing your nose in it everytime he issues a warning or infraction.

Which is probably the genesis of the occasional negative comments about the moderation around here, come to think of it.

Is this some kind of high noon call out on me?

I mean I've closed a couple of threads with a joke about zombies, but I honestly can't think of examples of delightedly rubbing anyone's nose in it the few times I have issued infractions and warnings. :noid:

I do occasionally run in to the problem that some folks think a Mod should be a kind of passionless automaton, like a Warhammer 40k Servitor for Modding. Most people seem to like a Mod with a sense of humor though.

[Thawmus]

Is this some kind of high noon call out on me?

I mean I've closed a couple of threads with a joke about zombies, but I honestly can't think of examples of delightedly rubbing anyone's nose in it the few times I have issued infractions and warnings. :noid:

I do occasionally run in to the problem that some folks think a Mod should be a kind of passionless automaton, like a Warhammer 40k Servitor for Modding. Most people seem to like a Mod with a sense of humor though.

It's really insensitive to talk about zombies when you're closing threads.

My mom's a zombie.

Must you continually bring her up? :cry:

[d_knight7]

Must you continually bring her up? :cry:

I think you'll find she clawed up to the surface with her own splintered fingernails. I was there with a shovel for a completely unrelated matter.

[Thawmus]

I think you'll find she clawed up to the surface with her own splintered fingernails. I was there with a shovel for a completely unrelated matter.

As long as it has something to do with Kalel21, I'm okay with it.

If not, I am automatically suspicious.

[gawain]

Now that I'm thinking of it, what annoys me a lot more than resurrecting dead threads (about clix), is seeing all kinds of Political threads on the recent thread list. I come here to talk about clix, and, while I appreciate that others want to talk about other things, I would much prefer to see Wakanda's old Black Knight thread than those. Seems it's a bit more relevant. Other parts of the realms don't show up on recent thread activity, why do politics?

[KillerSavage]

Now that I'm thinking of it, what annoys me a lot more than resurrecting dead threads (about clix), is seeing all kinds of Political threads on the recent thread list. I come here to talk about clix, and, while I appreciate that others want to talk about other things, I would much prefer to see Wakanda's old Black Knight thread than those. Seems it's a bit more relevant. Other parts of the realms don't show up on recent thread activity, why do politics?
If it's in the politics forum then I can't see what the harm is. If that's where and what people are talking about than what can you do? There are still plenty of discussion in to be had about figures and dials.

[DemonRS]

Now that I'm thinking of it, what annoys me a lot more than resurrecting dead threads (about clix), is seeing all kinds of Political threads on the recent thread list. I come here to talk about clix, and, while I appreciate that others want to talk about other things, I would much prefer to see Wakanda's old Black Knight thread than those. Seems it's a bit more relevant. Other parts of the realms don't show up on recent thread activity, why do politics?

They do??

Are they perhaps not posted in the politics forum? I don't see political threads show up in the home page.


If it's in the politics forum then I can't see what the harm is. If that's where and what people are talking about than what can you do? There are still plenty of discussion in to be had about figures and dials.

I think he's talking about the politics forum showing up in the home page as recent topics?

[gawain]

I think he's talking about the politics forum showing up in the home page as recent topics?

Under "new posts," yes.

[KillerSavage]

Under "new posts," yes.
Like I said if it's in the appropriate forum why have issue with it? No one is making you discuss that stuff. You can't let the fact you know people are talking about it bother you.

[gawain]

Like I said if it's in the appropriate forum why have issue with it? No one is making you discuss that stuff. You can't let the fact you know people are talking about it bother you.

I'm not bothered by people talking about politics, but if I had to choose what was cluttering the "new posts" list, I'd prefer resurrected clix threads rather than political ones.

[DemonRS]

Under "new posts," yes.

Yeah new posts I can't help you there..

If you hit the home page though the latest posts is not taking the other forums into account.

"New posts" shows everything, and when the politics forum is most active.. well that's what you're going to see unfortunately.

[KillerSavage]

I'm not bothered by people talking about politics, but if I had to choose what was cluttering the "new posts" list, I'd prefer resurrected clix threads rather than political ones.
Or it could get cluttered by new clix threads instead resurrected ones. Maybe you could give people something more interesting than politics to talk about. Hint hint!im saying you could start a thread about a topic you would like to discuss. Go clutter!

[MaxFortune]

Is this some kind of high noon call out on me?

Nope. Not you.

Ask around, though, and I'm sure someone can tell you the story. It has nothing to do with closing threads. It has to do with a mod who can't hand out infractions/warnings without being a complete tool about it.

[Thawmus]

It's me, guys.

I'm sorry.

I can't help it. I enjoy it too much.

[Thawmus]

Wait!

Where the hell is my moderator tag????

WHAT HAPPENED TO IT???? :disappointed:

[antedoX]

I'm looking forward to resurrecting this thread.

[Suttkus]

You'll never be able to resurrect it if people don't stop posting to it! Besides, I'm pretty sure this thread is already on every joker on this forum's list of permanent links so they can resurrect it into the future. It's the new Powerbomb!

[Thawmus]

That's it, I'm closing this.

[MaxFortune]

Someone recently resurrected an old thread of mine about the Black Knight dials from Fantastic Forces. Hardly a hot topic thesedays, but still worth discussing. It was also fun going down memoy lane and looking at the progression Wizkids has made since in set design.

But without any explanation the thread was closed. My question is...why? Discussion can still be had. Is there a rule that only 'modern age' sets should be discussed or something. ;)

Here is the thread: http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=137542

The "rules" of HCRealms are complex and mystifying.

Before posting questions, users are encouraged to use the really bad Search function (and are excoriated when they don't) to find the answers in old threads...

...just as long as they don't post to those threads. :p

[fastcat99]

I'm going to subscribe to this thread and resurrect it in seven years. Just to see.