Vet Samson - Best Close Combat Ever?

[shin-goji]

He starts with Charge, 4 damage, SS, and perplex. He could perplex his damage up to 5, run by and pick up a dumpster with charge, and do 7 damage in one hit! Not even Bane can top that. For the points, I would say he will be one of the more formidable brawlers!

[irweasel]

Will perplex work with a carried object?

[A_Higher_Level]

Best Case Scenario:

Perplexed damage up to 5, charging with a heavy object, rolling a critical hit, to knock a figure off a building. THAT'S 10 CLIX OF DAMAGE, BABY!!!!

[shin-goji]

Start by using Perplex at the beginning of the action. The dumpster adds +2 damage to your base damage, which is now 5. This is a F-Lord killer to be sure!

[VooDoo Child]

run by and pick up a dumpster with charge,

Nobody can pick up an object and attack in the same turn, even with charge.

He'd have to have the object before he makes his charge

EDIT: But Yes he's going to be Bad@$$. Hulk Who?

[shin-goji]

Why not? Charge is part of the move action. Says so in the FAQ.

A figure with SS can pick up an object during its charnge AND use it during an attack.

[Psylockeslover]

He can pick up the object as part of a charge as long as the object is not adjacent to an opposing figure. As per the FAQs.

[shin-goji]

Actually, the object can be adjacent, just so long as when the Charging character doesn't become adjacent to the opposing figure when he becomes adjacent to the object. The object could be in front of Cyclops. Samson grabs it, and is still not adjacent to Cyke, who notices a warm tricle running down his own leg.

[Psylockeslover]

Sorry, misread the FAQs. He can pick it up as part of a charge as long as he does not become adjacent to the opposing character.
I.E. He cannot pick up the object that Cyke is standing on and hit him with it, unless he started next to Cyke and made his breakaway roll.........

(too much thinking........brain shutting down......)

[Manchine]

Vet for his first kliq is a very good CC fighter. But I wouldnt say best becuase of his entire dial.

[VooDoo Child]

I guess it's time for me to go back and read the FAQ's too.

[Phil Dixon]

Yep, he's pretty nasty. Perplex is just so versatile. He can boost his Movement, and Charge for 6. He can boost his Range, and smack soarers, and people on rooftops. And he can simply boost Attack or Damage to maximise his offensive capabilities. Well worth the points.

[LuckyJ]

Ok...assume Cyke is standing IN the object, Doc Samson is 2 squares away with Doc's taxi between the two. So it's like this

Doc::::Vulture::::Cyke in object

Can Doc Charge, move THROUGH vulture (as per the rules, you can move through squares occupied by your own pieces), pick up the object while you're adjacent to it, move to another space adjacent to Cyke and then smash him with his own object?

It seems that since you can't stop on Vulture's square, it is during a move action, and you're not stopped by Cyke, that you would be able to do this.

What do y'all think?

[KneelB4Zodd]

Originally posted by LuckyJ
It seems that since you can't stop on Vulture's square, it is during a move action, and you're not stopped by Cyke, that you would be able to do this.


You can't enter an occupied square if you'd ordinarily be forced to stop (because of an adjacent enemy).

[Phil Dixon]

As I understand it, it's an unwritten rule that you can move freely through your own figures EXCEPT when you would normally have to stop in the same square, because of hindering terrain or adjacency to an opponent.

You just can't move into the Vulture's square.

[rabidroadkill]

To answer your question, no. Yes you can move THROUGH your own figures during a movement, but not if they are adjacent to an opponent. Once your moving figure moves into that space they would have to stop as the space is still adjacent to an enemy even if a friendly fig is in it. That makes this an illegal move.

[Mongoose]

Doc Samson is a really good fig, but he does have a weakness. He has somewhat of a glass jaw, if you look at his stats. If he was to go toe to toe w/ Hulk, he would get creamed.

[shin-goji]

All depends on who lands the first blow.

[Pontifex]

Why does Doc Samson get Perplex? Is it for the same reason as Beast, to represent his intelligence?

Granted, Doc Samson is one of my favorite underrated characters, and he is indeed a smart guy, but I'd think that Outwit (and only a click or two of it) would better represent his combat tactics. In most of his encounters that I've read about, Doc Samson's combat tactics seem to reflect his other abilities - run forward and hit hard. He does use his brains, but he seems to prefer to outmuscle his foes, using tricky tactics only when his power isn't enough. He seems to be one of the few characters in Marvel who, like She-Hulk, truly enjoys being a superhero. Then again, I'm sure I haven't read half as many Doc Samson stories as others here, so I'd defer to greater knowledge.

[shin-goji]

I'm sure that both Outwit and Perplex can represent intelligence, you just can't put both on the same spot.

[LurkMaster2000]

one-on-one, doc wouldn't beat savage hulk.

sure, doc could get the first hit in. bringing hulk to his best clicks.

hulk hits doc, down to where his attack values are a bit lower.

if you push doc, he gets even weaker. but if you don't push doc, hulk will push to beat you down even harder, which makes him stronger. hulk's attack never goes below 9, and that's on his starting click...

he's not 201 points for nothing...

[Grinner]

Originally posted by A_Higher_Level
Best Case Scenario:

Perplexed damage up to 5, charging with a heavy object, rolling a critical hit, to knock a figure off a building. THAT'S 10 CLIX OF DAMAGE, BABY!!!!

Or, if you're using the 3-d objects, 11 clix (because the soda machine is a heavy object that is +3 damage instead of +2).

[shin-goji]

Toe to toe with no one else around, Doc knocks the bejeezus out of Hulk for 7 damage, Hulk takes 6 for toughness. If Doc does 4 more clicks after Invulnerability, then Hulk is 202 points of green plastic. I wouldn't say Hulk winning is a 100% sure thing.

[A_Higher_Level]

One on One, Toe to Toe, with no ranged attacks, no-one can beat the Hulk!

HULK SMASH!!! HULK BASH!!!

[shin-goji]

Now in teams, there's a definite free for all. My money would be on Samson's team.

[Veggiehater]

Shin,

Gotta agree that Doc Samson has great first strike plus team player potential. Though as others have pointed out he can be dealt with by playing smart.

Personally I like him, and I really like the fact that X-plosion is loaded with great close combatants. Can't wait to get my hands on a V Samson and E Abomination! ;)

VH

[shin-goji]

After a devastating first attack, fly a flyer up to Samson and yank his purty butt out of range :) He is still a Firelord killer.

[A_Higher_Level]

I already built a 200 point combo with the vet Doc Samson and Pheonix. TK for 10, and charge for 5 (or 6) to attack for 4 or more.

He then works his way back while she gives him cover fire. And what do you know? Enough points for a... MEDIC!!!

[Veggiehater]

Originally posted by A_Higher_Level
I already built a 200 point combo with the vet Doc Samson and Pheonix. TK for 10, and charge for 5 (or 6) to attack for 4 or more.

He then works his way back while she gives him cover fire. And what do you know? Enough points for a... MEDIC!!!

You know, with Samson's L/C this may actually work! :eek:

Of course if you miss that opening shot, you are pretty much done for... ;)

Oh well, nobody's perfect,
VH

[LurkMaster2000]

Originally posted by shin-goji
Toe to toe with no one else around, Doc knocks the bejeezus out of Hulk for 7 damage, Hulk takes 6 for toughness. If Doc does 4 more clicks after Invulnerability, then Hulk is 202 points of green plastic. I wouldn't say Hulk winning is a 100% sure thing.

toe to toe, let's see (assuming an average of 7 for each die roll)...

Doc's 1st action - Perplex damage up 1, then charge, pick up a heavy object, hit hulk for 6 (7 - 1 for toughness).

Doc has 1 token, Hulk no tokens.

Hulk's 1st action - Smacks Doc Samson for 3 (5-2 for invulnerability).

It's over.

Doc can only do 2 clicks of damage now, meaning he can't hurt hulk. He could perhaps leap away and grab another heavy object, but he would push himself, lowering his attack value to 7. He'd need a 9 to smack Hulk, who would still not die. Hulk now will have a 12 attack, or 11 if he pushes, doing at least 2 damage to doc samson every time...

not 100%, of course. it all rests on the die rolls... but i'd say chances for doc are pretty slim....

but like you said, if they were on teams, doc samson's team looks much better...

[Thorgrin]

The potential is always there for any figure to do well, you're assuming, of course, that someone's just going to let you do that as well. He's a good figure, but I wouldn't count all the eggs. Besides, one outwit and charge is now a moot point. Outwit pretty much takes away a lot of the heavy hitters, IMHO.

[de4dp00l]

Doc Sampson has a nice opener, but I'd still generally choose She-Hulk as a better brawler because she's got much more staying power. Her attack numbers stay a little higher, and she stays over 3 damage for several extra clicks, along with more clicks of invulnerable, for 8 points more, or 18 more for the Vet. Vet Bane can't open with quite as much damage as Doc, assuming Doc has the ideal situation of being able to grab an object while charging, but again, his ability to bring the pain is a lot more stable, and even if you add a taxi, he's still not much more than Doc (116 points with R Hawkman, who moves for free, or exactly 100 with a R Vulture, if you have the actions to spare).

I'm not criticizing Sampson capabilities or usefulness, just pointing out that he's not going to be the best choice on every team.

[the itsy bit]

the Doc's good.
that perplex makes him really versatile !
but Hulk would Smash him !
Hulk is the strongest there is !!

It only makes it more painfull to think what JonL did to Colossus !

[Captain Spoon]

Yeah, well... ummm... could anyone post/pm me with the link to the "Warriors Section" so i could glance at the stats of Xplosion...
Reading most post about this sort of thing, i'm kinda lost with the stats...

thx,

-SPOON!-

[Ro-gan]

Cap spoon

The Warriors Section is at the top of the HCRealms header. Look under the HCRealms Spidey header and you will see: home, forum, chat, user cp, and then warriors...

Click on warriors and there it is!

[Billy Jack]

you know I wasn't too keen on Samson when the set started now I want one. I want one bad BJ.