The Ultimate Cheese Team - No Respect

[shin-goji]

I want to build a fast and dirty team, built to take on a player who habitually uses R and E Firelords and some barriers. My main four figures are E and V Firelord, E and V Bullseye. Need some help rounding out the rest of this all marvel team. I'm not looking for respect or honor, just hard hard RCE waves of death.

I can kill R Firelord in one round with either F-Lord and a Bullseye. Bullseyes can be used to poke holes in barriers as well.

[Thorgrin]

You might want a phase person or two....

What's the point value of the teams? How many actions? etc.

I'd probably go with either Rookie/exp dr. strange and an exp ultron to start. push dr. strange, have ultron do a multi shot energy explosion. If his firelords/barrier guys are together, they're going to take 4 points ( 2 points each if you've pushed your dr. strange and you're on the enhancement click ).

With a phase person, you can pretty much take the barriers out of the equation. It'll drop both of his firelords to a 9 AV. The rookie will only do 1 damage and the exp will still have rce, but with only 1 damage, he's not going to really hurt ultron that much. After that, it's all downhill. This is assuming at least a 300 point team.

If it's 200 points or less, stay with dr. strange (again, you won't have to worry about breaking down a barrier) and go with rookie ultron. he only loses one on his attack, but with only needing a 6 to hit, he should be able to still hit (by odds).

Either that or you have Dr. Strange and a tank and lock up his guys so that he can't get away (or at least has to roll breakaway).

[shin-goji]

Well, it's a 300 to 400 point game. I want to use F-Lord [don't have an E version] to use against this one player who never uses anything but Q-Tip. It's basically to show him how much fun it is to face a team of such cheesy calibur.

[Thorgrin]

oh, then go this route for ultimate cheesefest.

300 point game...

Exp wasp x 3
rookie firelord x 3

= 297 points

400 point game

Exp wasp x3
Vet wasp x1
Rookie firelord x4

= 400 points

Wasps are there for free movement and firelords are there to really blast him. You can substitue a firelord for a bullseye and a PC like scarlet witch if you just want to absolutely make sure you hit. It'll give you 3 attacks or 4 attacks.

I mean if that's what your goal is, that's the way to do it. Don't be afraid to push your firelords to utterly destroy his figures to the point of not return. Expect to lose one firelord yourself, maybe two, depending on the rolls...

[shin-goji]

Cool, the V Firelord he has wanted to trade his left nut for, but his left nut is only 10 points with no team affiliations or powers. I want to use the Bullseyes to plik at him from range and bring him out, then have the Firelords come in and crush his hopes like...like...I'm stuck without metaphors today.

[Symbiote8]

new character "left nut" Unique. 10 points. no team

0 0 0 0 0 Ko
0 0 0 0 0 Ko
0 0 0 0 0 Ko
0 0 0 0 0 Ko



the only reason he's ten points is that he has the "amazing gross-out power". once every turn, roll one die. if you get a six, pick an ememy fig. that figure runs off the board and hurls, never to return.

[Spidersense]

Shin-goji:

That darn Firelord and his "Long Ranged Combat Action". It's all I can do sometimes not to reach across the table and say:

"It's Ranged Combat Expert! OKAY! Look at the stinkin' card! If you dont call the power by its right name you cant use it anymore!"

Sigh.

[Billy Jack]

shin howabout a good perplexer your firelords damage. also I was think about avalanche for the barriers.

[Thorgrin]

you can't use any other powers with RCE...... So as far as I know, that would be illegal. Now you could perplex their defense down by one (for one turn or first hit, I think)...

I went the wasp/firelord route to take the battle to him and obliterate your enemy before they knew what hit them and to pretty much make them feel useless. *shrug* You can certainly play it with the bullseyes, though. Both vet bullseye and rookie firelord have an 11 attack rating.

Good luck.

[dolemite199]

Shin-goji,

Cool, the V Firelord he has wanted to trade his left nut for, but his left nut is only 10 points with no team affiliations or powers.

LOL... Man that was funny.

If its a taste of his own medicine that your are looking to give, try this.

Vet. Firelord (81pts)
Exp. Firelord (81pts)
Uni. Wasp (44pts)
Exp. Wasp (33pts)
Vet. Bulseye (31pts)
Rok. Vulture (15pts)
Exp. Hydra Medic (15pts)

With a leadership roll, you can attack with both Firelords and the Bullseye. Plus you can heal your Firelord/Bullseye brigade when he counter attacks. You could just go with an all stealth team to really annoy him!

[Billy Jack]

Originally posted by Thorgrin
you can't use any other powers with RCE...... So as far as I know, that would be illegal. Now you could perplex their defense down by one (for one turn or first hit, I think)...

I went the wasp/firelord route to take the battle to him and obliterate your enemy before they knew what hit them and to pretty much make them feel useless. *shrug* You can certainly play it with the bullseyes, though. Both vet bullseye and rookie firelord have an 11 attack rating.

Good luck.
whoopsie i meant to say attack value instead of damage. Somehow when I type in perplex I wanna up the damage right away. No harm no foul right?

[shin-goji]

Originally posted by Spidersense
Shin-goji:
That darn Firelord and his "Long Ranged Combat Action". It's all I can do sometimes not to reach across the table and say:
"It's Ranged Combat Expert! OKAY! Look at the stinkin' card! If you dont call the power by its right name you cant use it anymore!"
Sigh.

True story. He can't say Ranged Combat Expert to save his #### life. Brings out the Satanist in me. He also calls EE by "Chemical Explosion." What, is Firelord lighting farts again?

[shin-goji]

Originally posted by Billy Jack

whoopsie i meant to say attack value instead of damage. Somehow when I type in perplex I wanna up the damage right away. No harm no foul right?

Problem is, while RCE is in effect, you cannot perplex anything on the character with RCE. But you can perplex down the defense value of his target.

[heroclixguru]

Hey Shin


I searched threads originated by you because this post sounds familiar.

Got a pesky Firelord team keeping you down? (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28487)

Sinking to F-Lord's Level (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27161)

Unbeatable Blasting Barrier Scrub Team
(http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20338)

I found 3 similar threads basically about this one guy that is your arch enemy. You sound like a nice guy, so don't be offended. Some people can win with most any decent team, some people can't play to win because they lack the skill. It sounds like you are the latter, which is okay just have fun.

Sorry, I like your posts so I'm not saying anything negative. But you might never beat your buddy, he owns you. ;)

[DarkNight882]

oh snap that was cold guru but isn't it a little obsessive to search the forums for shin's old posts? i'm sure that I have enemy players that are desperate to beat me and if I was in that situation I would seek help too. anyway shin, be careful to watch your defense I've played against some whack strategies that completely screw up my offense. throw in some figs with defend like rookie invisble girl or something. just a thought. good luck beating your friend he deserves a good beating

[Billy Jack]

Originally posted by shin-goji


Problem is, while RCE is in effect, you cannot perplex anything on the character with RCE. But you can perplex down the defense value of his target.
ah but you can also perplex down the other guys damage.
of course you can allways add rookie panthers for outwit.

[Tarnish]

ah but you can also perplex down the other guys damage.

You could but it would be of little use. Perplex only lasts for the duration of your turn. By the time you're opponet attacks his damage would be back up to normal.

Tarnish

[heroclixguru]

sorry, it's an only a comment. no offense meant to you shin. :)
I guess it was sort of obsessive to do a filter search on shin. But I remember reading the first post and the second one. I just had to comment this time. anyway.. good luck

[shin-goji]

Actually, he IS right. No offense taken!

Graf Zemo and I DO obsess over this guy. The mature thing is to just refuse to play the guy.

But...

you see...

I'm a 31 year old guy who's spent thousands of dollars on a collection of Godzilla toys and Oriental Bath Houses. So I'm FAR from mature.

I finally realized that cutting loose on this monkey is JUST what the doctor ordered! As many time as this guy HAS owned my ###, the two times I've make him dance like a vaseline-coated monkey I've gained the respect of our local gaming group.

Virus! You are going down like a truck-stop hooker!!!!!!!!!!

[DarkNight882]

That's the sprit Shin-Goji! whoop some bootie! Bring this guy down. um.....when do you plan on playing him?

[shin-goji]

Gonna be facing him Saturday. Think I'll borrow or buy a E FLord, team him with the V FLord, two wasps and fill out the rest with RCE, maybe a medic.

[DarkNight882]

sounds good to me! he always uses the same team right?

[bobo7312]

395pts
veteran manderan
veteran firelord
veteran crimson dynamo
unique scientest supreme

[dolemite199]

shin-goji wrote,

I'm a 31 year old guy who's spent thousands of dollars on a collection of Godzilla toys and Oriental Bath Houses. So I'm FAR from mature.

Dude, you have made my day. That is one of the funniest lines I have heard from a gamer ever.

P.S.

Try this out on him if you get the chance.

Exp. Firelord (81pts)
Vet. Cyclops (78pts)
Exp. Wasp (33pts)
Exp. Wasp (33pts)
Exp. Pyro (35pts)
Rok. Pyro (27pts)
Rok. Hydra Medic (12pts)

Use the Pyros to create a barrier every turn around your Firelord/Cyclops RCE death squad. You can do this by alternating between the rookie and exp. pyro every other turn. But I am sure you knew that already. Trust me, this guy will get angry fast. especially on an indoor map. Have fun!

[heroclixguru]

you'll never have the stuff... sorry I just had to throw that in.

just kidding buddy. Can I lay a bet you will lose again? Oh sorry, I'll shut up. good luck.. you'll need it... I did it again.

[shin-goji]

If he shows up, I will need all the luck I can get. I may challenge him and his brother to a 2 on 1 match. 200/200 vs my 400. Yeah he does use the same team every time with minor alterations. I can't wait to cut loose...and lose :)

[Xian]

Originally posted by shin-goji
I'm a 31 year old guy who's spent thousands of dollars on a collection of Godzilla toys and Oriental Bath Houses. So I'm FAR from mature.

Heh. I like a man who knows himself. :)


Anyway, I totally appreciate the idea, but I still think that the way to beat him is to do it with a team that doesn't use Firelord, but still owns him. A team that Firelord can't beat, but could be beaten through other methods. (This is the guy who got all huffy with the rules "difficulties" last week, right?)

Sadly, due to the over-effectiveness of Firelord, this is hard to do.

I seriously think that a stealth team would be the way to go about it. (IC) U Elektra, U Wolverine (with sword), E Black Panther, E/V Logan, E Sabretooth, taxis, and if you're mixing, maybe V Nightwing and others. Oooh. How about multiple Mandroids to move objects right by Firelord, and then TK stealthed BCF-ers into the objects for attack? Funny.

Or E Ultron plus others (Bat Team?).

Anyway, I guess that my point is that whether or not he realizes that it's not fun to play against Firelord, it's also going to reinforce the information that Firelord is simply the most effective piece around. If you can disabuse him of this notion, then perhaps he'll start playing something else.

Then again, if it was that easy to do, I'm sure we wouldn't have all the complaints about Firelord, huh? :)


Xian

[Shade]

Ok.. I hear this problem from all my friends.. and it's the simplest thing in the world to beat. Someone using the cheap FL team barrier team? Easy to solve. First, get you a couple wasps and someone with one damage and RCE. Tmorrow I believe will do. Cheap, 3 clicks of damage. 2nd, Get a couple perplexers and someone with high attack, 10 range and high enough damage to screw the FL's clicks up till he's worthless. Allright... stay out of FL's range just long enough to lure him in. Then, bust down the barrier's with your tmorrow, perplex up your 10 ranged guy (Keeps him out of FL's range) and blast the hell outta him. Or of course you can have E Dr. Doom with a Sandman Damage sponge fly through the blasted barriers. Plop the sandman in front of FL so he can't move (Yay plasticity!) and pop away with Dr. Doom. And if you keep an intergang medic behind doom, he gets outwit! Yay!. Btw, funniest thing ever was when plastic man single handlidly killed Kang. Once more, yay plasticity.

[Xian]

Originally posted by Shade
First, get you a couple wasps and someone with one damage and RCE. Tmorrow I believe will do. Cheap, 3 clicks of damage. 2nd, Get a couple perplexers and someone with high attack, 10 range and high enough damage to screw the FL's clicks up till he's worthless. Allright... stay out of FL's range just long enough to lure him in. Then, bust down the barrier's with your tmorrow, perplex up your 10 ranged guy (Keeps him out of FL's range) and blast the hell outta him.

Of course, as was previously mentioned in this thread, Perplex doesn't combine with RCE. SHIELD does, though.

The theory is okay, but it's still fighting Firelord on his own terms. Not to mention, T.O. Morrow has an AV that just is not going to hit Firelord. The Veteran (as well as the LE) has a 9 AV. Needing a 9 to hit is not good odds.

Or of course you can have E Dr. Doom with a Sandman Damage sponge fly through the blasted barriers. Plop the sandman in front of FL so he can't move (Yay plasticity!) and pop away with Dr. Doom.

That may deal okay with one Firelord, but it doesn't do very well against multiple. Not to mention, this means that you taxi with your 163-point Doom, have him wait a turn, and then get one shot off. There are probably better ways to do this. One of them involves hitting with E Sandman, too. :) And as usual for Doom, if Mastermind gets Outwitted, he's toast. Them's the breaks, I guess.

Btw, funniest thing ever was when plastic man single handlidly killed Kang. Once more, yay plasticity.

Hello, non sequitur!



Xian

[DarkNight882]

uh xian Tmorrow's RCE doesn't work with other powers. you're right. and shade obviously knows that because his idea was to use perplex with the other shooter to boost his range so he can damage firelord, not to boost Tmorrow in any way. If I read correctly, that is.

[Xian]

You're right. My bad.

Better punctuation and paragraph-formatting would have helped, though. :)


Xian

[Annihillus]

300 Point Cheese:

2 V Firelord
1 R Black Panther
1 R Wasp
1 E Bullseye

For 400 points, add a third veteran firelord. Ha! See how he likes that!

[Shade]

1. Xian, Learn to read.. heh.
2. Non sequitor's are fun stuff.
3. Better format for you?
4.That's exactly how I beat the FL cheese team. And as far as taxing with doom, you always have two options. One, taxi in the sandman for the DS. 2, taxi in Blizzard or apocoplyse or what the heck ever to create a barrier. You really need those extra points for support, so you can't upgrade to red doom. Sorry.

[Shade]

Oh yeah, one other thing. Tmorrow is NOT for hitting FL. Yeesh. You bust down the barriers with him, leaving FL open to shot. Lesse, position your 10 range (and doom was JUST a suggestion, not a definite, but your pick needs to be a flier) create a barrier long enough so they can recover, then run tmorrow up to blast wall and then blast FL with your heavy shooter.