Womanly Wiles

[goku!]

So, this is for all you gals out there. Have you ever used your womanly wiles in a tournament type game? Sure, amongst friends, yeah, I can see that, but with a total stranger, to try to win?

Yeah, I'm a guy, and I've only ever played with guys. Although, this struck as a funny situation where it'd be cool to be the fly on the wall.

For the guys, have you ever been victimized by this? If so, shame on you for being weak! Unless you got a date out of it... I love to win, but a guy's got to have his priorities in order. ;)

[Pallas Athene]

Why would I ever use my 'womanly wiles' as you call them, when I can simply use superior strategy and intellect coupled with lucky dice rolls to beat the #### out of your clix?

;)

[goku!]

Of course, I didn't mean that the only means of victory at your disposal would be your body. It's kind of like toying with your opponent with the whole mental game.

For example, guys trash talk with each other as a way of trying to mess up strategies, concentration, probing for weaknesses. It's an interesting thing that I don't think guys would do that with girls, unless they are shmoes. Nevertheless, I don't think most girls would even respond to trash talking, but judging by your response, maybe you do... :D .

I'm fairly certain most girls don't trash talk when they play each other just because female interaction is different than guy interaction. It would be interesting to see that mixed interaction with guys and girls. If there were some eye-batting, hip shaking or whatever, I'm also certain that guys would be more distracted by girls who did that, than girls by guys who did that.

I have the same questions of anything where females flourish, as you evidentally do in heroclix, Pallas Athene, in something where men are the predominant participants.

Sometimes watching people play each other is almost as fun as the game itself. You have super-intense guy who can't joke around getting beat by the stoned guy who could care less. Stoned guy cracks a joke and super-intense guy gets angry because stoned guy doesn't respect the game, then stoned guy kills super-intense guy's last piece, and stoned guy continues to slay his own pieces while super-intense guy crumbles to the ground clutching his Firelord.

[goku!]

And my clix don't have #### in them, so they can't have it beat out of them. Now, if you're talking about me after having lunch, that's a different matter.

Sorry, that just really amused me, and I'm already tired...

[Melkoloran]

This is a post just waiting to be decimated :p

[goku!]

It'll be interesting to see who, how people respond. Social interaction is always a hotbed for controversy!

Actually, you could make the question even broader. Have you ever been distracted by your opponent for reasons outside the game?

A horrifying stench?

A putrid appearance?

Revealing clothing?

A 2 foot long nose hair wafting under the air conditioner?

Whatever...

[Random]

Been distracted a few times by the sheer geekdom of some of the people I have played with. ( but what does that then sya about ME? the person who is ALSO hanging out with them and playing a silly game, made up of tiny amounts of plastic, based loosely on fictional characters who I tend to identify with more than my own realatives?) :)

[Hellboy]

uhm... try not to think about it

[Joe Kerr]

I am oblivious to everything about me when playing a tournament. The only thing that distracts me is stalling. However I have suggested to my friend to eat at Taco Bell before playing sometime.

[DS-00-0, FSD]

Someone brought it up, so I'll give a comment.

Gamer's Funk!

We all know what I'm talking about (unless you have it, 'cause then you've just grown so accustomed to it).

There are certain individuals in every gaming community who do not pay as much attention to personal hygene as they should. Lukily, there have not been any big out-breaks of gamer's funk in my area. Most of the peopel who play Herocilx at the local venues have actually seen the inside of a shower.

I have had one experience with a funky player. It can be very distracting to be sitting next to or across from a smelly opponent.

It's like you are playing that Scenerio with the impenitrable fog. It's like an entity with a life of its own. It permeates the whole room and you just want the game to be over so you can go outside and get some air. "Yes, I"m turning off Stealth on this fig. Please have Bullseye shot him and put me out of my misery!!"

[goku!]

Trying not to think about it is what we all TRY to do. The interesting part comes with what we actually DO do. Sometimes in trying not to think about it, that distracts as much as the distraction itself.

If I tell you not to think about a white bear... you just did it didn't you? Quit it. Oh, there you go again. D'oh! See?

The logical thing is to not think about distractions, but the human thing to do is to perceive it and deal with it in our own ways.

Now, I know there's a lot that can't be said except within our own little inner circles.

"Man, that girl was so hot..." leads to sexist PIG!

"Ewww... fugly" leads to shallow moron.

"Oh, that chinese guy was good!" I am not, by the way, chinese. I mean I am. D'oh!

We each have our own little private thoughts. It's just a matter of what we own up to, which leads me to another topic about online gaming. Would some people be better online than in person where the interaction is practically not there?

I personally like to game in person. I've only ever been to one tournament, but I did take first, so I'm not as inept as I sound in my posts. It's like Bruce Lee said, "Everybody reacts differently when they get into a fight." And that's what clix is, a little fight between little plastic men controlled by men and women.

[StormKnight]

Hmmm...does it count as using womanly wiles when my girlfriend's Howling Banshees shred your best unit into little pieces of s#### metal in 40K?
Or her Heavy Cavaliers smash into your force and crush them like a bug in MK?
She doesn't have a favorite lethal female unit yet in HC...I fear what happens when she gets one of the Xplosion Elekatra's...

[Random]

StormKnight, you have a great sig line. Glad I got a chance to see it.

[Basil Elks]

I, myself don't play, I just like to collect the figures. (GO MARVEL) Oh, & who cares if a women uses her "wiles" on you, at least your getting attention from a woman.

[tyroman]

Originally posted by goku!

If I tell you not to think about a white bear... you just did it didn't you? Quit it. Oh, there you go again. D'oh! See?



Thats no Bear!! It's the Weindigo!! Quick run before he shreds you!! :p

[vpreacher]

A quick note on the funk. Most of the people I know who have it also take the game way more seriously than i do. Don't get me wrong, I'm kind of a rules lawyer myself, but i let stuff slide if it's not really important. One of my opponents was on the cell-phone and I hit his fig for three clicks of damage. He is staring at me so I take it he is paying attention. I say very loudly, "I hit you for three damage" When he only stares at the piece I pick it up, thinking he is paying attention, and hold it in front of him so he can watch me turn the dial since he is busy holding the phone. I turn it three clicks in front of him. He then gets off the phone and says, "Did you just turn my fig? You know you're not suppposed to turn other peoples figs right?" Thanks for telling me now. and by the way, he was kickin with the funk.

[Dexceus]

I acutally had a freind of mine decide she was going to try and use her 'feminine wiles' on me to win a game. :)

I was actually the person who taught her to play. She doesn't play much, but had been talked into a tournament.

I just reminded her that she had met my fiancee the week before and was scared of her for some reason. She decided to button her top back up for some reason. :)

[DS-00-0, FSD]

Originally posted by Dexceus
I acutally had a freind of mine decide she was going to try and use her 'feminine wiles' on me to win a game. :)

I was actually the person who taught her to play. She doesn't play much, but had been talked into a tournament.

I just reminded her that she had met my fiancee the week before and was scared of her for some reason. She decided to button her top back up for some reason. :)

See this had all the earmarks of a great "Dear Penthouse..." letter until you brought up your fiancee.

;)

(And no I don't mean you should cheat on her, just that it would have made a great story if you had been single.)

[Grinner]

Originally posted by StormKnight
Hmmm...does it count as using womanly wiles when my girlfriend's Howling Banshees shred your best unit into little pieces of s#### metal in 40K?
Or her Heavy Cavaliers smash into your force and crush them like a bug in MK?
She doesn't have a favorite lethal female unit yet in HC...I fear what happens when she gets one of the Xplosion Elekatra's...

Eschers in Necromunda too?

My daughter likes playing all-girl teams. Which, with CT, got much more dangerous.

Many of the female gamers around here trash-talk as much as the guys. And I'd be seriously creeped out if some of them actually tried to use 'womany wiles.' :eek:

[delowen]

Originally posted by goku!
Actually, you could make the question even broader. Have you ever been distracted by your opponent for reasons outside the game?

A horrifying stench?
A putrid appearance?
A 2 foot long nose hair wafting under the air conditioner?
Whatever...

:D :D :D Would those be considered "Manly Wiles"?:D :D :D

[zeppelined]

My brother and I have often joked about using a similar strategy at Magic tournaments (when we still bothered playing in them). Of course, we're not talking about womanly wiles here, since neither of us is woman. But our plan was to just act like a complete loony the whole time. Say bizarre things. Drool upon yourself. Speak with a severe speech impediment. I am positive it would completely throw off any opponent at all. The main drawback, of course, is that it would be completely horrible and insensitive to any handicapped or disabled players, which is why we only joked about it in private, and never actually did it.
As far as gamer's funk, this is the single most important issue in gaming today. Why is there such a stigma against gamers and gaming? The people I play with are all cool, well-adjusted people with a firm grip on reality, wives or girlfriends, and fulfilling careers. But the other day I went into a comic store to look through some back issues, and they had a D&D group playing. Not only were they arguing in their insanely obnoxious voices about the previous evening's LARP session, but *none* of them had showered in days, all had greasy, lank, uncombed hair, smelled like my high school gym locker, and about 3/4 of the group were disgustingly obese. These are the people that give gaming a bad name.
Now I *know* that some of the gamers reading this forum are *those people*. So please, please, please, before you leave the house, taking a F@#&ING shower! Shower every day! It takes less than 10 minutes! Wash your hair! Eat somewhere other than McDonald's, and drink something other than Mountain Dew once in a while. Please! I don't understand why gaming draws these people.

Ed

[Melkoloran]

Would those be considered "Manly Wiles"?

That and the oft-spotted protruding beer-gut.

[Dexceus]

Originally posted by DS-00-0, FSD


See this had all the earmarks of a great "Dear Penthouse..." letter until you brought up your fiancee.

;)

(And no I don't mean you should cheat on her, just that it would have made a great story if you had been single.)

Well, I honestly don't think she was serious, it was just fun among friends. :)

And this would have been a week before my fiancee decided she 'needed time to be alone'.

[Doomtoy]

My venue is tiny.

Between the HeroClix guys, the Mechwarrior guys, and the Magic guys, we practically have to stand on each others' shoulders to play anything.

Anyone who stank would be quickly removed from the store by a howling mob of angry gamers. This IS Texas, you know. We don't actually lynch people any more, but a Texas style wedgie is not quickly forgotten.

And any female who entered the store dressed in such a way so as to take advantage of her "feminine wiles" might have the advantage for the first ten minutes or so. At least, until the crush of people around her had groped her to the point where that entire end of the store was so familiar with her ... um... topography that it ceased to be a novel experience.

At that point, she'd better know how to play.

HeroClix, I mean.

[Melkoloran]

people around her had groped her to the point where that entire end of the store was so familiar with her ... um... topography

You forgot to repeat "This IS Texas, you know". :p

[vpreacher]

Right on zeppelined!!!!!

[Doomtoy]

You mean this wouldn't have happened anywhere outside Texas?

Jeez.

We must be a buncha slobs...

[Oldguynewbie]

Originally posted by Doomtoy
You mean this wouldn't have happened anywhere outside Texas?

Jeez.

We must be a buncha slobs...

Nowhere else? Yeah, RIGHT!!

[Melkoloran]

Spoken like true Texans ;)

[Oldguynewbie]

Yuh bettr smile when yuh say thet, podnuh!

Or I'll have to break your Firelord!

[Melkoloran]

Originally posted by Oldguynewbie
Yuh bettr smile when yuh say thet, podnuh!

Or I'll have to break your Firelord!

*lol*

Ever read Preacher? That's exactly what that made me think of ;)

[Oldguynewbie]

No, but I was a big Hex fan, back in the day.

[Melkoloran]

Oh man. I highly recommend picking up the Preacher series. Very good book despite the fact that it largely takes place in Texas ;)

[Oldguynewbie]

I haven't run into very many people in Texas from any cities of more than 100K who actually sound like that.

Actually, that's really more of a West Texas accent, as opposed to an East Texas accent, which is more Southern.

OK, trivia question for non-Texans only: What two state flags are the only ones allowed to be displayed at the same height as an adjacent US flag and why?

[lilj]

Am I the only one that fears gamer women? exspecialy the ones that seemed to have gotten a stomach transplant from your beer drinkin' uncle.

[Dexceus]

Texas and California, because they were once nations themselves.

[Basil Elks]

is monk like a drunkey.

[Oldguynewbie]

Originally posted by Dexceus
Texas and California, because they were once nations themselves.


OK, I'll score that 75%. TX is one of the states and it is because they were once nations themselves, BUT California wasn't a nation. It was a Spanish colony, then a Mexican state, far enough from Mexico City to operate with relative autonomy. Mexico lost California to the US during the Mexican-American War, in the 1850s (training ground for most of the future Civil War generals). But never an independent nation.

Try again, D-man, or anyone else.

[lilj]

Hawaii!


Ugh...I can't get the images of huge gamer chicks out of my head.

Shoot me.

[Oldguynewbie]

But, uh, you need to come to Texas to game. Not all female gamers are huge.

[vpreacher]

Just a quick note, Preacher is GREEAATTTTT!!!!!

[CyberVenom]

Just a couple o' notes.

1. Preacher is the most overrated piece of trash ever created by any comic book company.

2. Leave the "huge" chicks alone man! Being a comic geek myself, I've realized that we are lucky enough to find A woman. And most of the time, the "huge" chicks are the ones that are the coolest to hang around with, because they aren't so hung up on themselves like "tiny" chicks.

I know this sounds hippie-ish, but a person is lovable, regardless of what the scale says.

[Pallas Athene]

Originally posted by goku!
For example, guys trash talk with each other as a way of trying to mess up strategies, concentration, probing for weaknesses. It's an interesting thing that I don't think guys would do that with girls, unless they are shmoes. Nevertheless, I don't think most girls would even respond to trash talking, but judging by your response, maybe you do... :D .


Well, I did grow up being the eldest of 3, with 2 younger brothers, so trash-talking is par for the course!

I trash -talk with my bf, and with my guy friends, but don't with other girls. With boys, you have to be blunt, where with girls, it's all subterfuge, and subtlety.

I'd have to say, my 3 fave female clix to use are V Rogue, V Invisible Woman, and E White Queen.

I'm not a huge Elektra fan (yet!)

[vpreacher]

please, no dissin the preacher. that's some good stuff.

[Doomtoy]

I liked Preacher well enough, but I found the climax irritating as hell.

For one thing, the Alamo is not in the middle of a park. It's in the middle of downtown San Antonio, surrounded by office buildings like you'd find in the metropolitan section of any large American city.

There is not a bar across the street from the Alamo. There are a string of tourist attractions and souvenir shops geared towards families. There's a mall next to it, though. And across the street, about half a block down, there's a Fuddrucker's hamburger place. I suppose you could work up a decent bar fight there if you really wanted to.

San Antonio is portrayed as being in the middle of a desert. This is not the case.

Riding a horse out of San Antonio these days, particularly from the area of the airport or bus terminals, would be durn near impossible.

...but if you don't know anything about San Antonio, or Texas in general, it's not bad.

[GroovyBoy]

Originally posted by Melkoloran


That and the oft-spotted protruding beer-gut.

Some of us worked long and hard on our beer guts, and will not be lumped indiscriminately with smelly, obnoxious gamers. There are thousands upon thousands of American, Canadian, Canadien, and European-type males that have managed to bathe regularly, speak normally, and lead normal lives while putting on the li'l Buddha due to college and weekends with the guys. We exercise and travel and stuff, but it really just maintains our current level of beergut-ness rather than slimming us, but creeping age has something to do with that (and you can't possibly expect us to stop drinking, you heartless bastards!)...

[Van Fanel]

It's weird how there's this perception of gamers out there... how we're all socially-inept, unwashed freaks. Even all my non-gamer friends think that. Having them meet me after a tournament is like trying to pull teeth, I swear!
As for people not bathing... you'd be surprised where you find it. It's not just gamers! I knew a couple of guys in my roomie's frat who didn't think that hygiene was a good idea, either.
Of course, I'm just launching my own little diatribe here. It kinda annoys me sometimes that, back in college, I couldn't really talk to girls I dated about gaming 'cause a lot of them had that perception. Honestly, most gals are cool about it, but, not at first.
Anyways, the most distracting thing I saw at a tourney was when I was judging... I'm not sure if it was on purpose or not, but he kept humming "Can't Buy Me Love" really quietly until everyone who played him had it stuck in their heads... and he did it so quietly that no one was sure he WAS humming...

Anyways... as gamers, we should all unite and keep people from thinking that we all have "the funk". :D

[Doomtoy]

I repeat: at MY venue, everyone bathes. Admittedly, I don't follow them all home and supervise, or anything, but I sure can't track any of them by smell.

I can't vouch for everyone's taste in clothes, though. Or hairstyles. But you'll find that in ANY crowd.

[Melkoloran]

Originally posted by Doomtoy
I liked Preacher well enough, but I found the climax irritating as hell.

For one thing, the Alamo is not in the middle of a park. It's in the middle of downtown San Antonio, surrounded by office buildings like you'd find in the metropolitan section of any large American city.

There is not a bar across the street from the Alamo. There are a string of tourist attractions and souvenir shops geared towards families. There's a mall next to it, though. And across the street, about half a block down, there's a Fuddrucker's hamburger place. I suppose you could work up a decent bar fight there if you really wanted to.

San Antonio is portrayed as being in the middle of a desert. This is not the case.

Riding a horse out of San Antonio these days, particularly from the area of the airport or bus terminals, would be durn near impossible.

...but if you don't know anything about San Antonio, or Texas in general, it's not bad.

This sounds like the person I talked to who refuses to see the new movie Phone Booth because it takes place in Manhattan and there aren't actually any phone booths on the street in Manhattan (he claims, I'm pretty sure I've seen them before). :p

[Oldguynewbie]

I dun wahrned yuh, podnuh. Now yer runnin' off at the mouth lak sum goldarned busted sewer main, comparin' thuh Cradle of Texas Liberty (SALUTE!) to uh d**n parkin' lot that passes fer uh street on uh Godfersaken spit o' lan', so pitiful a buncha Native Americans sold it fer trinkets, knowin' they got the bett'r deal.

Now, thet jus' ain't right!

[de4dp00l]

One of the local venues up here has some pretty bad examples of gamers funk, but it mostly guys just hitting that stage of development where Deodorant stops being optional and becomes a necessity. I don't really play there any more.

[texaswashingto]

Originally posted by Oldguynewbie
... comparin' thuh Cradle of Texas Liberty (SALUTE!)

Sorry to bust ya'll's bubble, but Houston is the Cradle of Texas for being (A) the largest city in Texas, (B) once being the capital of the Republic of Texas, (C) having the best football team in the Lone Star State! Go Texans!

[Oldguynewbie]

Originally posted by texaswashingto
Sorry to bust ya'll's bubble, but Houston is the Cradle of Texas for being (A) the largest city in Texas, (B) once being the capital of the Republic of Texas, (C) having the best football team in the Lone Star State! Go Texans!

Sorry to burst YOUR bubble, but from the official Daughters of the Republic of Texas (custodians of the Alamo) website:

"Although the 'Alamo' is actually more than just a single building, many people associate the word with the old mission church. Constructed by Indian converts under the direction of Franciscan missionaries, the building had not yet been completed by the time Mission San Antonio de Valero closed in 1793. Like the Long Barrack, this building has seen many uses. Today it is recognized world over as the 'Cradle of Texas Liberty .' Since 1905, the old church has carried the official designation of Shrine, bestowed on it by the Texas Legislature."

Yes, Houston is the largest city; yes, it was once the capital of the Republic; and, at least until next year, Houston has arguably the best professional football team in Texas. Those facts/assertions are not in dispute. However, "The Cradle of Texas Liberty" applies to only one place, the complex of buildings collectively known as "the Alamo." This fact is also not up for debate.

You are forgiven for sleeping through Texas history in 7th grade. Not everyone was as fortunate as I was to have a truly interesting passionate teacher.

[StormKnight]

Eschers in Necromunda too?

Yup! And Sisters of Sigmar in Mordheim.
Actually, when she plays KI in MageKnight she also prefers a unit with one female leader surrounded by a bunch of Immortal Fanatics and such...should I be jealous? :P

She has never tried to 'distract' her opponents though - they generally do that themselves enough. I say "We've got to gang up on her! She just looks cute and innocent! She'll destroy us all!" But do they listen? Nope...

[Grinner]

Originally posted by texaswashingto
Sorry to bust ya'll's bubble, but Houston is the Cradle of Texas for being (A) the largest city in Texas, (B) once being the capital of the Republic of Texas, (C) having the best football team in the Lone Star State! Go Texans!

You may possibly be the first person from Texas I've known who said good things about Houston. I've never heard a bad thing about San Antonio, hear more good than bad about the whole Dallas/Fort Worth metroplex area, but everyone I've personally known are...shall we say less than complimentary about Houston.

Never been to Houston myself, so I can't claim first-hand knowledge.