Spidey's Superstrength

[Spinebreaker]

OK... WK caved in to the fans and gave Spidey some Superstrength.

Of course now we can all re-enact those battles where Spidey beats hulk on his own terms, throwing tanks, cars and dumpsters at him.

And of course that famous issue where he out powered Juggernaut.

Here's a thought for you, In early issues, Vulture nearly KILLED spiderman every time they fought, and why???

BEACAUSE VULTURE IS STRONGER...

as is Kraven, and nameless other characters who should be NOWHERE near superstrength now REALLY deserve it because Spidey has it.

The only version of spidey that could have been legitimately given superstrength is the Symbiote version which did have enhanced strength.

Now Spidey numbers among those who can lift 100 tonnes

(Please note excessive sarcasm)

What a WELL REPRESENTED CHARACTER.

[The Stinger]

Dude, get over it.

Wizkids gave the majority of Spiderman fans what they wanted. You have to have SS to even lift a table in this game. THERE ARE NO TANKS, AND NO UPROOTING OF BUILDINGS TO SWING AT EACH OTHER. Spiderman could lift any object in the game, heavy or light. Rules state you must have SS to do this. Hence, the 2 clicks of SS for the fans who requested it. Its not like he keeps it the entire dial man.

If you dont like him, noone ever said you had to use him.

By the way, there's a thread on the New U Elektra you can go whine on, also one on Iron man, and I believe there is one for the new Hulk too. Dont forget about the "Xplosion sucks" thread either, Im sure you have some great input on that subject also.


Wouldnt want you to miss out on any potential whining sessions.

Why do you play this game again? :rolleyes:

[IJIT]

Well if there is any figure who deserved super strength it is Rogue. I saw one cartoon where she threw a bus at an enemy. She could have 1 click of superstrength then down the dial steal energy.

[TheLion]

Originally posted by The Stinger
Hence, the 2 clicks of SS for the fans who requested it. Its not like he keeps it the entire dial man.

Which is true. If you notice they front-loaded the SS with the defend, which kind of makes you go Huh? Why would you need defend with the SS clix since you are most likely going to attack when he's on them. Which leads to this figure's possible (and I said possible) achilles heal. He doesn't have Supersenses when he has SS. Which means you don't want to push him when he has it, and the supersense don't protect the SS clix. The jury is still out...

[Mongoose]

Neither Kraven or Vulture are as strong as Spidey. Kraven can lift 1 ton, and Vulture is weaker yet. They should have given Vulture poison though, because his stingers can outright kill you. Kraven's son was stronger then him, of course that didn't stop Kaine from breaking his neck.

[Victor V.D.]

I'm sorry, count me in as one who thinks spidey shouldn't have super strength. It's obvious that SS is reserved for those who
can lift tanks and throw them.

When you think about it, half of the Marvel heroes are
"superhumanly strong", yet only a fraction get to have
that green square. I really don't think Spidey warrants it.

However, I fully believe he should get super senses, and
all the way down the dial to boot. I don't recall him ever
losing it either from fatigue or by getting the carp beat out
of him...only when somebody specifically does something
to "outwit" it. It's his hallmark life-saver.

Stinger, dude, this forum is for discussion and debate. That
implies that there will be criticism...I can't imagine how bor-
ing this site would be if all the messages were "Great sculpt!
Can't wait to pull him!"

On the other hand, people get pretty worked up about comic
characters, so it's understandable that they might gripe. They
need to maybe pull back a bit, throw out their two cents, and
chill. For every guy who thinks some figure got or didn't get a
power they deserved, there's somebody who disagrees.
Jon and the people at Whizkids need to factor in all of that
in addition to all of the marketing that goes into selling the
game. It's unfortunate, but unavoidable.

[A_Higher_Level]

Originally posted by IJIT
Well if there is any figure who deserved super strength it is Rogue. I saw one cartoon where she threw a bus at an enemy. She could have 1 click of superstrength then down the dial steal energy.

Hey, I can lift up a bus, and I don't consider myself to have Super Strength. *playing with my matchbox cars in the corner*

I think it's funny how people can't get onto a desk that's considered IBT, cause they don't have leap/climb.

It's also funny that you can't see to Outwit a Stealth character next to you although you can hit em in Close Combat.

And don't forget how funny it is that soaring figures block line of sight between grounded figures (and halving everyones' range when they do).

But I agree. It would have been nice to see SS on the vet Rogue's starting click.

[drhypnotic]

O c'mon .. Spidey can't lift the Picnic table token?! :p

Shoot.. some of the light and heavy objects I could hit you with! Spiderman has the porportionate strength and speed of a spider.

I think rogue should get it too. Yeah.. and give magneto Invunerability too! C'mon at least 1 click. He is supposed to fight the whole X-men team.. not get beat on by a rookie Logan! lol.

[CubeHead]

Originally posted by Spinebreaker
OK... WK caved in to the fans and gave Spidey some Superstrength.

Of course now we can all re-enact those battles where Spidey beats hulk on his own terms, throwing tanks, cars and dumpsters at him.

And of course that famous issue where he out powered Juggernaut.{...}
Given the fact that:
- Hulk and Juggernaught have at least 3 times as many clix of SuperStrength.
- Up to 3 points more base damage.
- Let alone some Invulnerability and and Toughness clix.

IMO, in HeroClix Spiderman will be hard pressed to outmuscle them.
Originally posted by Spinebreaker
Now Spidey numbers among those who can lift 100 tonnes

(Please note excessive sarcasm)
I disagree. See answer above.

Originally posted by Spinebreaker
What a WELL REPRESENTED CHARACTER.
If this version of Spiderman aims to represent someone with a degree of SuperStrength, I agree.

CubeHead

[Melkoloran]

The superstrength on Spidey is perfectly fine. Trying to say that he's now on the same level in power as Hulk is being simplistic, as pointed out above by number of clicks with SS, amount of damage able to be dealt, etc.

[Ozymandas]

I agree w/ Melkoloran. Read the comics. Spidey has punched chimneys off of rooftops, torn up fire hydrants & lifted cars & buses (the "appropriate strength of a spider"). Once he even beat the crud out of Firelord & the Avengers had to pull Spidey off of him. SS for his first 2 clicks is not a big deal.

[The Stinger]

Hey, Victor V.D.

If Superstrength is reserved for those who can lift tanks and throw them, then Why, Pray tell, are there no tank objects in the game?? Why did they not just use Tanks and armored vehicles and small buildings as the objects? Because you are wrong, that's why.

All I see are Table, lightpole, filing cabinet, motorcycle, dumpster, recycling bin, Forklift, engine Block, gumball machine, atm machine, crate, another one that looks like a toolbox and boards, ETC.....

Im sure I missed a couple, but I would like for you to tell me where these tanks are.

After you do that, I want you to tell me which of these objects in the game that you feel Spiderman is not strong enough to lift.

2 clix of SS hardly puts him on the same offensive level as "Those who can throw tanks"

Im in agreement with Cubehead in what he said. Not nearly as much SS as the likes of Hulk, plus no toughness or INV, so when you do hit him, he takes the full brunt of the blow.

[Thorgrin]

But you're missing the point, I think. Look at all the object tokens that are given. There aren't any that represent a "tank" or any other vehicle AND unlike most of the other people that do have superstrength (hulk, juggernaut, she-hulk, thing, etc) he can't even break down a wall to create hindering terrain because his base damage is 2. So it's not like he's got a 3 or 4 damage PLUS super strength.

So what's the real issue here...? I'm not sure what it is, remember spider-man has been in SEVERAL YEARS worth of comics and you could probably find some instances where he's used some super strength. For example, shooting his web shooter, anchoring it and either flinging the person off their feet, flinging an object, etc.

I guess all the naysayers, then, would just rather have spider-man as not even a playable figure in the game and let the Ultrons, She-Hulks, Things, Juggernauts, Visions of the game really rule the table and that's pretty sad for one of the most loved figure in the game. Not to mention SS can be OUTWITTED, sheesh...

Originally posted by Victor V.D.
I'm sorry, count me in as one who thinks spidey shouldn't have super strength. It's obvious that SS is reserved for those who
can lift tanks and throw them.

When you think about it, half of the Marvel heroes are
"superhumanly strong", yet only a fraction get to have
that green square. I really don't think Spidey warrants it.

However, I fully believe he should get super senses, and
all the way down the dial to boot. I don't recall him ever
losing it either from fatigue or by getting the carp beat out
of him...only when somebody specifically does something
to "outwit" it. It's his hallmark life-saver.

Stinger, dude, this forum is for discussion and debate. That
implies that there will be criticism...I can't imagine how bor-
ing this site would be if all the messages were "Great sculpt!
Can't wait to pull him!"

On the other hand, people get pretty worked up about comic
characters, so it's understandable that they might gripe. They
need to maybe pull back a bit, throw out their two cents, and
chill. For every guy who thinks some figure got or didn't get a
power they deserved, there's somebody who disagrees.
Jon and the people at Whizkids need to factor in all of that
in addition to all of the marketing that goes into selling the
game. It's unfortunate, but unavoidable.

[JerryReedStyle]

...lift a motorcycle....I CAN'T lift a picnic table...I CAN'T lift a hotdog stand...

...but I CAN bust you up with a gumball machine!!! ! ! ! !

Props to Spidey with SS!!!!!!!!!!

[Thomthemonk]

mad props to the stinger. i was mildly miffed that he got super strength, then i read your post and i was like "yeah i guess it does make sense". stinger gets mad props and 736 bonus points redeemable in the afterlife.

im not being sarcastic, im just that goofy sounding. really. i agree with stinger.

[k0rnkid15]

the stinger is right. they gave him super strength because he does lift up some things, but not tanks or houses. so quit whining, im sick of people bein all like 'waaah this guy doesnth ave this power so its sh*t to me!' or in this case 'waaah they gave him a 'bad power' (one he should have in the firstplace). get ur true facts right be4 u criticize.

[gen-x]

Why do you play this game again?

Probably because its a fun though inaccurate game and to have friendly discussions with people like you.

[BlackSpidey]

I don't mind one or two clicks of Super Strength, but I just wish that it came AFTER his Incapacitate. When we have seen him use it, it has usually been as more of a last ditch effort, unless he needed it to even put a dent in his enemy. Now, if they could just get his defense right, I'd be one happy SpideyFan...

[Jason Blood]

He can lift up to around 10 tons I do believe

That is in my opinion enough to give him superstrength

Spinebreaker you need to dump that horrible, pointless, and most of all GAME RUINING Attitude

I swear to god If I hear of anyone quitting the game because of that type of thing they would just be one of the annoying people who must have their way "Apocalypse sucks" no He Doesnt his is one figure along with many others I enjoy (esp Weapon X) because they have powers on them or combinations of powers that make them Unique.

If the game was the way you want it to be all figures would be thesame and it would bore people until they quit

Man I've been waiting a long time to make that speech

[I Am The Game]

The maturity level of this post has degenerated, but I still want to make a point. Last Summer when IC came out, a lot of posts came out about Super Strength. The quality people seemed to agree on was that Wizkids only gave super strength to the people who use Super Strength in battle, and that not necessarily the people who had it.

I've read a lot of Spidey, and I can't remember too many occasions of him waffling people with an object, no matter how heavy it was. Yes, he can lift a car, and sure, he can fling a picnic table. My point is, he doesn't use it much in battle, especially not the web-shield version. The Black costume should have some SS, and maybe the original should have one click of it, but the web shield comes out when he's getting pelted with stuff. Not the best time to drop the shield, and grab a dumpster, IMO.

[JerryReedStyle]

Well most of the gripes I heard around here were about his lack of damage compared to certain other figs....maybe SS was just a way of increasing his potential damage...?

[Greenandgold]

Who cares whether he has a couple clicks of ss or a couple clicks of 3 damage? It really doesn't matter all that much.

Blackspidey makes the relevant point; he is getting screwed on his defense values!

[The Stinger]

While I concede that Spidey doesnt usually waffle someone with a table, he does possess the strength to do so.

In this game, you can team people with figures they would never team with in the comics. You can have them act in ways that they may not always do in the comics. (Ever seen Wasp fly around carrying Hulk in the comics? I dont think so, but you can do it in the game....)

This game allows you to team Sabretooth and Spiderman if you want to. You could have Cyclops team with the Brotherhood. The options are limitless, aside from the AE rules. It doesnt happen in the comics, but its up to the PLAYER to determine the teaming AND FIGHTING STYLE of their team.

So Spidey may not jack someone with a dumpster all the time in the comics, but he has the ability to do so if he got the urge, so it should be a viable option to the player to have at their disposal during the game.


Just how I feel about it anyway.

[Spinebreaker]

The Stinger

>>>If you dont like him, noone ever said you had to use him.
by the way, there's a thread on the New U Elektra you can go whine on, also one on Iron man, and I believe there is one for the new Hulk too. Dont forget about the "Xplosion sucks" thread either, Im sure you have some great input on that subject also.
Wouldnt want you to miss out on any potential whining sessions.<<<

Sorry. How DARE I have an opinion. What a complete B*stard I am. Thinking that I can use a discussion forum to convey my thoughts to others. What a total git. From now on I'll step back and keep it all to myself. I am sincetrely sorry that I intentionally and with malice a forethought chose to use a Heroclix forum to talk about heroclix.

>>>Why do you play this game again?<<<

'Cause it's a cool game. Shame I can't say that about most of the players.

And I understand those of you who say there are no Tanks in the game. True. However there's a Forklift. Which are ENORMOUSLY heavy.

By giving Spidey superstrength, if there is a tank in the game in the future (entirely possible if they bring out more adventure packs) Spidey will be able to lift it.

It's not a matter of whether he CAN or not, it's a matter of whether he does or not. Thanos deserves superstrength but he doesn't get it because it's not what he 'does'

Controller and Boomerang both can fly in the comics, thanks to jet boots, so where are my flying versions of those 2???

Rather than make a click based on the comic character WK just kow-tow-ed to a bunch of people whining in the forums.

Yes stinger, people whining, now as well as mercilessly declaring my opinions i'm a hippocrit too.

Argue away.

[Spinebreaker]

Jason Blood wrote :

>>>can lift up to around 10 tons I do believe<<<

Yes

>>>t is in my opinion enough to give him superstrength<<<

HAAHAHAHAHA! Then where's Hobgoblins superstrength???
Rogues??? Ultron's??? Annihilus'???

Is it because the people that make the game can possibly make mistakes???

>>>Spinebreaker you need to dump that horrible, pointless, and most of all GAME RUINING Attitude<<<

Should I remind you that people like me posting their oppinions in a forum is what is responsible for your precious Superstrength Spidey getting made in the first place. They probably got beligerant intollerant small-minded abuse too. YOU need to dump the FORUM ruining attitude. He11, you just need to get your head out you're a$$

Sorry about that, I've been trying to keep my posts fairly friendly, but I'm sick of being told I am not allowed an opinion.

>>>I swear to god If I hear of anyone quitting the game because of that type of thing they would just be one of the annoying people who must have their way "Apocalypse sucks" no He Doesnt his is one figure along with many others I enjoy (esp Weapon X) because they have powers on them or combinations of powers that make them Unique.<<<

Your point is a great one. There are a tiny amount of figures who are wrong. Check the Daredevil designer notes if you don't believe me, they ADMIT the original daredevil didn't have leap/climb cause they messed up. I never said anything about quitting the game.

[The Stinger]

Originally posted by Spinebreaker

Sorry. How DARE I have an opinion. What a complete B*stard I am. Thinking that I can use a discussion forum to convey my thoughts to others. What a total git. From now on I'll step back and keep it all to myself. I am sincetrely sorry that I intentionally and with malice a forethought chose to use a Heroclix forum to talk about heroclix.


Indeed. But, Im a forgiving person, and I think I can let you slide this time, Just dont let it happen again.

Anyway, have you anything GOOD to say about the game, or is it all just negative griping about how something happened that you dont like?

What EXACTLY did it ruin in your life for Spiderman to get superstrength? You started this thread as if it meant an end to the game as we know it. Hardly the case. Noone brought it up to you here, you just took it upon yourself to start this thread with a sarcasm-laden first post.

Its my personal belief that you simply were looking for an argument and nothing more, as is the case with most people who incessantly complain about things they dont like in this game. That being the case, I leave you to your thread, enjoy.

Its just a shame that your mouth isnt as closed as your mind.

[I Am The Game]

Boys, I'd like to call an end to this little spat. If you have nothing constructive to say, go away. Let people enjoy the posts. If you wanna argue, do it on PMs.

[Jason Blood]

what I said was that if ANYONE quits the game because of that

[ontapmedia]

Spiderman with Super strenght..... I take some offense to the whole Spiderman Vs. The Vulture and Kraven comments. That's a load of horse manure.
Spidey got beat by everybody in the beginning of his career because he was a rookie and a kid wih no formal fighting skills.

Spidey in his present form has fought #### near everybody good and bad in the Marvel universe. Is the strongest? No!!
This is a guy who has gone one on one with the Hulk and Firelord and Juggernaut and won. He typically did not do it with Super Strenght though. He usually used his head.

Spidey with SS is just a concession to fans who want to be able to lift objects and what not. Why not give gim this ability? I mean he only gets it for a click or two right?

Kraven is a normal human with incredible peak human strenght. He is not stronger then Spidey.
Vulture is a normal human with a flying harness and a nasty attitude.

Spidey can lift up to 20 tons and he was even stronger when wearing the alien costume.

Spidey is a super human with incredible strenght and it could be argued many characters should have a certain level of strenght below Superman's but above Captain America's and Batman's who are only human.

Rogue and Spidey and many other fall in to this bracket.- T.

[Devlin_69]

ok...yes i agthink spidey should have SS but maybe on his like last 2 clicks...cause i mean he can lift ten tons and i have seen him go toe to toe with a gamma irratiated hulk or something...but i think everyone should just stop yackin at each othere and play the game! dun worry they will prolly come out with tons of new spideys! so save your whinning for those ones. if you want to argue about something it should be over spideys pathetic defense...i mean..it drops like a rock!

[Spinebreaker]

TheStinger wrote :

>>>Anyway, have you anything GOOD to say about the game, or is it all just negative griping about how something happened that you dont like?<<<

I mentione ONE, SLIGHT problem with ONE figure. There's plenty I like about this game.

>>>What EXACTLY did it ruin in your life for Spiderman to get superstrength? You started this thread as if it meant an end to the game as we know it. Hardly the case. Noone brought it up to you here, you just took it upon yourself to start this thread with a sarcasm-laden first post.<<<

I started the thread 'cause I wanted to know what people thought about Spidey with Superstrength. I got a response, Some people agree with me, some don't. More or less what I expected. Sarcasm??? My initial post was entirely serious and I meant every word.

>>>Its my personal belief that you simply were looking for an argument and nothing more,<<<

I voiced an opinion YOU started the argument.

>>>Its just a shame that your mouth isnt as closed as your mind.<<<

I'm closed Minded coming from a guy who essentially said 'you're opinion is wrong, shut up' Great.

Also, it's not 'MY' thread. I started it, but i have NO right to stop anyonew coming in and saying what they like.

Anyway, back to being constructive.

I'm sorry but I don't feel that Spidey deserves Superstrength. I can see what you're saying, though perhaps if some characters could pick up and use light objects but not heavy. Then you could give Spidey the strength to hit someone with a picnic table (which I'm SURE he would do, and probably hav a witty aside to go with it) but would stop him being on a par with the other SS characters.