75th SR Sinestro Worth a WL?

[KO Bossy]

I've been offering this trade in my thread for a while now. Sinestro seems to be around 35 right now. I'm not expecting to get a deal 1 on 1 for one of the higher value WLs, like Hal or Flash (I already have Superman). But I'd think that for Wonder Woman or a combination of the lower value WLs (such as Bart Allen and Ice), I should be able to trade. Problem is that I've received no trade offers involving WLs. Am I asking too much? I don't think I am, but judging by my lack of success, I'm starting to think something is wrong.

[KO Bossy]

Speaking of which, just what does one have to do to get a Hal and Flash? There's no way I'm giving up a chase figure for them, as by next set, the WL craze will subside, whereas most of the chase figures will retain their value. Plus, the WLs aren't the same value as chase prices (with the possible exception of Hal and Superman, and even then I'm doubting it) (SI chases excluded from this). It sounds like a couple WLs would equal a chase and a couple SRs of mid value would net you a WL, whereas a high value SR would equal a higher value WL. I think people are expecting too much.

[neoclix]

It all the craziness of the WL right now on ebay WL ice has 3-4 listins for bin of 23-35 Sinestro has 30 Listins ranging 27-50 bin. I think that maybee later on if you want 2 wl's for him it might happen. However your better bet might be a low end wl plus sweetners.

Sorry man I hope you find your deal your looking for.

[KO Bossy]

Craziness seems to be turning to obsession these days. Sinestro is the highest value SR in the set, and one of the most playable as well. And the best I can get for him is a low end WL who's nowhere near as playable? I may as well just keep him in that respect.

[Jarosa]

I guess the people who bought White Lanterns early might sell them cheaper since they got them cheap but I doubt the people buying them right now will part with them cheaply. Hal is selling for $90+ easily. Miniature Market sold out of him at $32 apiece so maybe those who paid $32 may get bored with him and let him go cheap. Now when I hear "lower end" White Lantern only 1 comes to mind Ice. I've seen every other one sell for at least $50 or more, yes even Animal Man and Bart. Sinestro is a good SR and you should be able to trade him straight up for Animal Man, Superboy, Bart, Wonder Woman, or Donna but I wouldn't expect anything extra. I really don't think he'll ever be worth Flash, Hal, Ollie, or Supes. The White Lanterns are chase figures in the sense they're harder to get than a Super Rare. Since you're guaranteed one you can trade for the one you want, although you may have to buy a case and trade 2 for 1. If you want all 10 then you will have a hard time collecting. I've offered up chase figures and super rares for WL to no avail. So far I've managed to get Animal Man and Ice for SRs. I got Ollie and Animal Man for 1 of my Hals.

[Cloo41]

Well, being one of the people unwilling to do this trade... I feel compelled to provide my reasoning. I also want to clarify I don't feel called out by this thread and I empathize and sympathize with KO Bossy because I am having the same troubles. I personally think 2 WLs for a SR is a hard sell regardless of playability simply because they are hard to get. No WL will drop below $25 IMO because of their rarity. Even if they did go down to $20, two would still be more valuable than Sinestro. Since they are all the craze right now, 1 for 1 is the only trade I see happening... but since Sinestro is so sought after and WL Ice, Animal Man, Bart, etc aren't its never going to happen...

As for WL Superman, Flash, and Hal Jordan, they are all going for $50+ and they should hold their value at that range because they are Chase-Lites. That said, I don't think they are worth a Chase but at least two WLs or a few SRs... Tis the way of the Clix World. Just my two cents...

[neoclix]

One of the store I use to gauge my trades is coolstuffinc. Ice 29.99 Sinestro 34.99 were talking 5 dollar diff. Sorry man people use numbers if you take ice 29.99 and bart 39.99 (their two lowest) $70 vs sinestros 34.99 its a hard sale.

http://www.coolstuffinc.com/main_miniatures.php?viewType=HeroClix%20DC&info1=Miniatures&info2=HeroClix&info3=DC%2075th%20Anniversary&info4=Singles

[KO Bossy]

See that's just insane. Turning down chases for WLs? WLs are not chases. Chases are 1:100 packs or something along those lines. WLs are 1:8 packs. They are far from chases. NECA just made more of them because they knew it'd cause more people to buy. So while certain ones are worth more than some chases (SI, Queen Hippy), they are NOT worth 1:1 the Batmans, Supermans, Black Lanterns, HoT, Zombies, etc.

Chase does not mean its harder to get than a SR. LEs were harder to get than SRs because you had to win those (until the dial quality went down and you began to be able to buy them). Yet those aren't chases. Chase typically means the odds of getting one is really against you, not guaranteed 1 in every brick like the WLs are.

The low end WLs are the ones that aren't particularly popular character wise and whose dials aren't as playable as the other WLs. These would be Ice, Bart Allen and Animal Man. Mid value is Wonder Woman, Superboy, Donna Troy and Green Arrow. High value is Superman, Flash and Hal Jordan.

If you guys wanna go the Ebay route, my friend just purchased Green Arrow for 25 bucks this past week. Sinestro, as has been stated, is going for 27-50. So is it too much to ask for 2 low end WLs for him, or one mid range one and some sweeteners? Its been proven that they go for less than Sinestro. And yet everyone insists on saving their WLs for other WLs and go so far as to even ignore deals that are in their favor if they don't include WLs.

I'm just stumped is all.

[Jarimy123]

I don't think it's "white lantern craziness" anyway. The WL were undervalued by a lot of highly knowledgable traders on this site, myself included. I believe they will keep their prices, and in some cases continue to rise.

I don't see how you aren't seeing them as equal to other chases man. To get a specific one it's one per 100 boosters. If you are saying you would never trade another chase for one, you may want to reconsider. If you look at the numbers, these are definitely chase figures. Sinestro might net you Ice. I'm not sure at this point you'd find anyone that would trade any of the others for him, especially Wonder Woman who you mentioned. She's reaching the $50 value range. Maybe down the line, but the more cases/boosters that get opened, the amount of a specific white lantern out there to be owned, as compared to the amount of Sinestro available. In other words Sinestro is just more common, check ebay. There are probably twice as many Sinestro for sale, as compared to around 8-12 of each specific WL.

[Jarimy123]

You may want to stop saying they aren't chases man, they are. They are 1 in 10 boosters, there are 10 of them, so for each 100 boosters there is 1 specific one. So Ice is actually 1 per 100 boosters - exact same as old chases. You're not seeing it that way because there is 1 per brick - but because there are 10 it looks like they are more common when they are not.

[neoclix]

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If you guys wanna go the Ebay route, my friend just purchased Green Arrow for 25 bucks this past week. Sinestro, as has been stated, is going for 27-50. So is it too much to ask for 2 low end WLs for him, or one mid range one and some sweeteners? Its been proven that they go for less than Sinestro. And yet everyone insists on saving their WLs for other WLs and go so far as to even ignore deals that are in their favor if they don't include WLs.

I'm just stumped is all.[/QUOTE]


Simple He got lucky on getting his GA

[KO Bossy]

You may want to stop saying they aren't chases man, they are. They are 1 in 10 boosters, there are 10 of them, so for each 100 boosters there is 1 specific one. So Ice is actually 1 per 100 boosters - exact same as old chases. You're not seeing it that way because there is 1 per brick - but because there are 10 it looks like they are more common when they are not.

I agree that getting a specific WL is difficult. But just getting one period isn't. If you want any WL and have no preference, buy a brick and get one since they're guaranteed.

Plus look at the math. 1:100 boosters chance of getting a specific one. Well the Supernova chases were 1:100 boosters of getting any of them period. So a specific one was 1:400 boosters. Yet some of the WLs are going for more? I mean, sure in most cases the WLs are more playable, but the Zombies have rarity going for them. Just one of those things, I guess. The WLs are the new hotness. By GSXM, they'll be old news. Then everyone is going to be hoarding Multiple Men, calling them the new chases because, after all, you only get one of them with a brick, too.

[KO Bossy]

I don't think it's "white lantern craziness" anyway. The WL were undervalued by a lot of highly knowledgable traders on this site, myself included. I believe they will keep their prices, and in some cases continue to rise.

I don't see how you aren't seeing them as equal to other chases man. To get a specific one it's one per 100 boosters. If you are saying you would never trade another chase for one, you may want to reconsider. If you look at the numbers, these are definitely chase figures. Sinestro might net you Ice. I'm not sure at this point you'd find anyone that would trade any of the others for him, especially Wonder Woman who you mentioned. She's reaching the $50 value range. Maybe down the line, but the more cases/boosters that get opened, the amount of a specific white lantern out there to be owned, as compared to the amount of Sinestro available. In other words Sinestro is just more common, check ebay. There are probably twice as many Sinestro for sale, as compared to around 8-12 of each specific WL.

This helps a lot, thanks.

I can't rep Jarimy, someone get him for me please?

[Jarimy123]

I agree that getting a specific WL is difficult. But just getting one period isn't. If you want any WL and have no preference, buy a brick and get one since they're guaranteed.

Plus look at the math. 1:100 boosters chance of getting a specific one. Well the Supernova chases were 1:100 boosters of getting any of them period. So a specific one was 1:400 boosters. Yet some of the WLs are going for more? I mean, sure in most cases the WLs are more playable, but the Zombies have rarity going for them. Just one of those things, I guess. The WLs are the new hotness. By GSXM, they'll be old news. Then everyone is going to be hoarding Multiple Men, calling them the new chases because, after all, you only get one of them with a brick, too.

Let's just throw all the rarity numbers out. Hal is worth $80+, Supes is worth $60, WW/GA $50, Superboy/Donna $35-$40, Animal Man $30, Ice $25. Sinestro is worth $35. So money wise possibly Superboy, Animal Man, and Ice would be fair. Donna maybe. The rest no.

Let's now toss all those numbers out - nobody is trading any of the WL straight up for your Sinestro, otherwise this thread wouldn't exist. So I guess it boils down to no, Sinestro isn't worth a WL.

I can't predict whether or not the WL will be worth anything when GSX comes out. I can safely safe that Madrox is not a chase figure. All I can say is right now nobody is trading a WL for Sinestro. So I guess that's best I can offer man.

[RavenProject]

If you guys wanna go the Ebay route, my friend just purchased Green Arrow for 25 bucks this past week. Sinestro, as has been stated, is going for 27-50.
You can't use outliers -- high or low -- when considering eBay values. Without knowing more about how your friend pulled off his awesome buy, we can't take it seriously as an indicator of value.

Your best way to get a relative value is to use a very obvious search team on eBay's completed listings. For example, "heroclix green arrow." Using this, the last five completed auctions for a WL GA were $48.36, $59.99, $42.52, $49.95 and $39.99, providing an average value of $48.16.

If you're not swinging a trade to your satisfaction, then just sell the Sinestro and use the proceeds to buy a White Lantern outright.

-J

[KO Bossy]

Let's just throw all the rarity numbers out. Hal is worth $80+, Supes is worth $60, WW/GA $50, Superboy/Donna $35-$40, Animal Man $30, Ice $25. Sinestro is worth $35. So money wise possibly Superboy, Animal Man, and Ice would be fair. Donna maybe. The rest no.

Let's now toss all those numbers out - nobody is trading any of the WL straight up for your Sinestro, otherwise this thread wouldn't exist. So I guess it boils down to no, Sinestro isn't worth a WL.

I can't predict whether or not the WL will be worth anything when GSX comes out. I can safely safe that Madrox is not a chase figure. All I can say is right now nobody is trading a WL for Sinestro. So I guess that's best I can offer man.

Oh its helpful, don't worry.

I think its also sorta funny that people are turning down the last set's hotness for the new stuff. I've seen people turning down Cosmic Spidey for WLs. What was he worth 2 months ago, 60 bucks? He's in the top 5 figures in the game. Yet I see people turn him down to keep their lower WLs in hopes that they can upgrade.

By the way, this thread was not intended to be a rant or anything. Apologies if it looked that way. I'm simply trying to answer me question and I think I've been able to. WL > Sinestro, got it.

[Jarosa]

I agree that White lanterns are chase figures. I wish Wizkids had come up with this before. Hal is as hard to pull as Kal from BatB was. The difference being if you don't get Hal then you get a different 1:100 figure. I think it's smart and sells more product. I kept buying cases this time because I was guaranteed a chase. I've never bought 4+ cases so fast. My buddy pulled 3 Sinestro figs and would trade 1 for any WL he doesn't have, he's in your boat. He has Icex2, GA, WW, and Flash.
Easy way to understand the rarity. Let's say you live somewhere with no one to trade. The odds are 100% against you 4 some reason. You could buy 99 boosters and pull every White Lantern but the one you want. The same odds as buying 99 boosters of BatB the only difference being at least you have 9 other White Lanterns instead of just 3 chases and lots of repeats. You'd have tons of all the Super Rares. After 3 cases I had at least 1 of each super rare,without trading,and doubles and trips of others. It isn't possible to get all the WL's in 3 cases.

[aqhoffman]

Indeed, one WL Green Arrow did go for $26.87 on the 23rd of December...I assume that is your friend's. However, even then that was a great buy- and not one has sold for under $40 in the last 4 days. Most went for $48-low 50's range. He got lucky!

As others pointed out, the chase comparison does pan out in that, sure, you are "guaranteed" a WL in a brick, but that does not correlate to getting the one
you want. To get one of each, in a perfect sync of non-duplicating, you would need 10 bricks to pull it. If your standard is just "a" WL, as opposed to Green Arrow or Superman, etc, then sure, you are correct. 1:100 is much more accurate than 1:8 when it comes to rarity for that one you really, really want!

That said, I'm with you on the craze aspect of this whole thing! Seriously, who among us thought that we'd see this kind of response to the Dc 75th set? I was way more excited about the set than almost anyone in my circle, and I didn't anticipate this.

C'mon, Animal Man, Bart Allen, Superboy, etc touching over $50? yikes.
It'll be interesting to see where they end up in a few months. But yes, you are expecting too much for your Sinestro, as a guy that traded for a couple and traded one away.

[Jarosa]

Bart, Animal Man, and Superboy has sold at around $50. What's shocking is someone Sold WL Wonder Woman for $18. Best offer.

[KO Bossy]

I agree that getting a specific WL is difficult. But just getting one period isn't. If you want any WL and have no preference, buy a brick and get one since they're guaranteed.

Plus look at the math. 1:100 boosters chance of getting a specific one. Well the Supernova chases were 1:100 boosters of getting any of them period. So a specific one was 1:400 boosters. Yet some of the WLs are going for more? I mean, sure in most cases the WLs are more playable, but the Zombies have rarity going for them. Just one of those things, I guess. The WLs are the new hotness. By GSXM, they'll be old news. Then everyone is going to be hoarding Multiple Men, calling them the new chases because, after all, you only get one of them with a brick, too.

Alright, but what about this argument that I put forth? If these are chases, what were the Zombies? Ultra chases? Because the math proves that getting a specific Zombie is rarer than a specific WL. 4x's rarer, specifically. And getting a Zombie period was 10x's as rare as getting any WL. Granted, Hulk is still going for 100 bucks.

[Jarosa]

You just don't have to chase after the White Lanterns as long. I prefer the shorter race my money goes a lot farther.

[tyroclix]

In my opinion there are two factors in play:

A) The "chase" idea. A collector who pulls a WL thinks of it as a chase (right or wrong doesn't matter) and so they only consider exchanging for another "chase" level piece. SR's, no matter how good or popular or valued, don't enter the equation.

B) Panic - people are starting to sweat not getting all of them and so the prices are climbing. There are venues who are saying they can't get anymore - that's panic time for some.

The good news is, like ALL chase figures, the prices will settle. Being patient is key. There are A LOT of WL out there and eventually they will become accessible to those of you who really want them.

[KO Bossy]

It evens out. Sure you may not have to chase after the WLs as long, but there's also 10 of them as opposed to 4.

Also, I agree with tryoclix. This entire thing is not helped by the fact that many Ebay sellers are listing these as chases. If they weren't, I'm betting their value would go down. Of course, since they wanna make more money, I don't see that happening. People will see "chase Green Arrow-60 BIN" and think "what a great deal!" and proceed to pay it, changing the market value. Personally, I can see why others think of them as chases, but don't agree with this assessment myself.

[ccs]

Seriously, who among us thought that we'd see this kind of response to the Dc 75th set?

I did.

Given the popularity of BN in the books, the sneak peak of WL Sinestro, & the recent general glamoring for all things lanten related?
It wasn't terribly hard to predict.....
And if you couldn't forsee Hal Jordan, Superman, & Flash being the top tier based upon name only? Then you're related to an ostrich. The only character that would've been more valuable? A WL Batman.

It was also pretty funny reading all of the learned comments about how it'd be easy to trade WL for WL etc etc etc.

[ccs]

This entire thing is not helped by the fact that many Ebay sellers are listing these as chases. If they weren't, I'm betting their value would go down. Of course, since they wanna make more money, I don't see that happening. People will see "chase Green Arrow-60 BIN" and think "what a great deal!" and proceed to pay it, changing the market value. Personally, I can see why others think of them as chases, but don't agree with this assessment myself.

You're experienced with EBay. Surely you've noticed that anything of collectable worth is always: rare/limited edition/chase/variant/hard to impossible to find/sold out everywhere (because all the *&*@ EBayers grabbed them all no doubt)....

Besides? Why shouldn't the EBayers be calling them chases? WK does.

[sae]

Then everyone is going to be hoarding Multiple Men, calling them the new chases because, after all, you only get one of them with a brick, too.
BiBtB figures seem to retain a $20+ value when most of the super rares in a set are reduced to $5-$10 dollars. That doesn't mean they aren't 10x as easy to get as a specific WL (easier because RNG is not involved in any way).
Surely you've noticed that anything of collectable worth is always: rare/limited edition/chase/variant/hard to impossible to find/sold out everywhere (because all the *&*@ EBayers grabbed them all no doubt)....Infinity Challenge figures are listed as 'rare' half the time...they are worth like 0.10 cents each to a modern player.

Personally, I bought 3 WLs from a seller who had posted them as super rares. "Dude, this guy doesn't realize these figures are rarer than the super rare figs!" That's how I got the WLs I wanted at a good price...before the price started to skyrocket when people realized they should be going for the price of two super rares each. I am kinda sad that I didn't pick up a WL Superman for $35 dollars the first listing I ever saw him...because we always expect the price to come down, lol.

[Perplexinator]

I think the WLs may come down in price later, but if we're looking at a curve in price right now, I feel the WLs still haven't hit their peak, and we may see multiple WLs going for $100.

[Faster Than Flash]

As a side note - this greatly undermines the value of commons/uncommons/rares.
Since people are buying more bricks than normal, they need less and less of the less rare figures.
So in essence - by making lots of very rare figures - your value only comes from those figures.

[Jarimy123]

As a side note - this greatly undermines the value of commons/uncommons/rares.
Since people are buying more bricks than normal, they need less and less of the less rare figures.
So in essence - by making lots of very rare figures - your value only comes from those figures.

Uhhh isnt that how it should work?

Edit: I misread your statement a little. I guess it could devalue the CUR, but I don't think it will. The product is the product. If the CUR are playable/sought after figures then they are going to be worth more. In fact the entire 75th set will be worth more because of the limited quantity available.

[Ultim8 Avenger]

Uhhh isnt that how it should work?

Edit: I misread your statement a little. I guess it could devalue the CUR, but I don't think it will. The product is the product. If the CUR are playable/sought after figures then they are going to be worth more. In fact the entire 75th set will be worth more because of the limited quantity available.

this i can agree. DC75 is the best heroclix set made to date....and i'm a marvel buff, so what does that tell you?

WLs will hold their value. not because of new hotness but because of popularity. wl hal jordan is a beast b/c of playability and his sp that grants him any lantern related keyword. this is why he is sought after.

only hal jordan i know of that can play in a sinestro corps theme team...

jordan and sinestro? fuggehtaboutit.

[brevard321]

I sold my WL Green Arrow on eBay for 30 dollars. Now the prices for it are going up, but what can you do. I did need the money and it came in handy.

Long term, I do feel Sinestro will be much more wanted than any White Lanterns besides Hal Jordan or Superman. That's my opinion. :)

[KO Bossy]

I'll give it to NECA, they know how to do business. Making WLs and Black Lanterns this rare has caused customers to buy way more than normal. Its a shame that a lot of BaTB wasn't that great. However, 75th is a terrific set. Makes me wonder why some people really don't like it.

I'm just hoping that once a new shipment comes in that perhaps I'll finally be able to trade Sinestro for a WL.

Another question: If I'm being turned down on the Sinestro for WLs deal, just what kinds of stuff would I have to add in to sway people into doing a trade? Other SRs? LEs? What kinds are we talking about? Lower value ones? Higher value ones? I know that it differs from person to person and trade to trade, but I'm looking for an average.

[Silver Lantern]

KOBO, Sinestro is pretty good and Sinestro Corp is one of the MOST popular theme teams out there. Are you trying to get rid of him because he's an extra or you just don't care for the figure/character?

In any case, you'd have to either pony up a lesser value SR from an older set to go with him to lure someone into tradng a WL, or you can expect to get a new SR + an older less value SR in exchange for him. Does that make sense?

[KO Bossy]

KOBO, Sinestro is pretty good and Sinestro Corp is one of the MOST popular theme teams out there. Are you trying to get rid of him because he's an extra or you just don't care for the figure/character?

In any case, you'd have to either pony up a lesser value SR from an older set to go with him to lure someone into tradng a WL, or you can expect to get a new SR + an older less value SR in exchange for him. Does that make sense?

Its an extra Sinestro that I have. The Sinestro Corps is one of my main collections, since the Sinestro Corps War was one of my favorite storylines. I'd NEVER get rid of Sinestro if I only had one.

Thanks for the info, too.

[Silver Lantern]

I'd hang onto him man. The WLs cannot really be put into theme teams unless its very high point value one. They should come down somewhat in due time. Sinestro on the otherhand may eventually get ridiculous in price like the Crisis one. Remember everyone is saying this set is selling out and going to be unavailable soon. That unavailability is part of what inflated the price of the Crisis one.

[Perplexinator]

Got to play in my first event since the release of the set (held off playing until after christmas since my christmas was the cases I bought).

2 people were playing WL Flash, one person playing WL Bart Allen, another person playing WL Superman. 4 players out of 8 were playing WLs, and sure none of them had themed teams, but they all did rather well because those WLs were pretty beastly. WL Flash seems to be the least vunerable to Outwit (Supes' main weakness) and a little stronger than his teen version (Bart).

I think we will see some of the WLs seeing play. Will we see themed teams? For higher events...maybe. For all others, heck no.

People want these figures because they are PRETTY.

[neoclix]

Got to play in my first event since the release of the set (held off playing until after christmas since my christmas was the cases I bought).

2 people were playing WL Flash, one person playing WL Bart Allen, another person playing WL Superman. 4 players out of 8 were playing WLs, and sure none of them had themed teams, but they all did rather well because those WLs were pretty beastly. WL Flash seems to be the least vunerable to Outwit (Supes' main weakness) and a little stronger than his teen version (Bart).

I think we will see some of the WLs seeing play. Will we see themed teams? For higher events...maybe. For all others, heck no.

People want these figures because they are PRETTY.




And thats why I have 2 full sets + some extras :laugh:

[KO Bossy]

You have 2 full sets of WLs? Just how much do you buy?

[neoclix]

4 cases but been tradeing like crazy. Than went to a toy fair and dumped most of my dub Sr's just stuff no one was really looking for. Walked out with T-rex #5, Hal Jorden Wl x2, Bart WL, GA WL Sinestro SR #3 (i'm hanging on to sinestro an extra bane and Ares I just have a feeling in a couple sets these Sr's will jump in price. After the WL hype.

[KO Bossy]

See, that's even more reason to trade some to me! ;)

[Jarosa]

Today we had a sealed event. I ponied up $40 for 4 boosters. So my brother and I could play. He pulled White Lantern Flash and I pulled White Lantern Green Arrow and T-Rex. I ended up haveing to leave after round 2. My bro grabbed 1st place, even though I left I grabbed 4th or 5th. The WLs are good.
All together I've pulled 3 Hals, 2 Supes, 2 Flashes(counting my Bro), 2 Donnas, Green Arrow, and Superboy. I traded Hal for Animal and GA. I sold another Hal for $80. I have the following coming in I traded for.
WL Ice: Green Lantern(Allan),Ragdoll, Capt. Comet
WL Flash:M&M Wolverine,Bane, T-Rex, Batman
WL Animal Man:Batmam,Wonder Woman,Barry Allen(broken),2 Soldiers,3Zamorans
I went a little overboard on Animal Man but I got him for my cousin.
I still need Bart and Wonder Woman.

[KO Bossy]

That's some luck. You should spread the wealth. :)

[Rahe Stone]

Im sitting on 2x Flash, 2x Donna 2x Superboy and considering another brick, But really, I only wanted Hal, Flash and Superman before I even saw their dials. At least I got flash, whom I consider the most playable overall. 138 points for flying HSS with (4 range half) and 14 movement, with a possible 11 atk or 4 dmg, yes please. And when Im clearing, 19 def with ss is nasty too.

Thats the thing, some of the pieces are very playable, the three I can see most being Donna, Flash and Hal, with Flash and Hal most likely seeing the light a few times a month. Superman is a popular character (And the final one I need for my Lantern justice league 1000 point team :( ) For high point games, he is a HSS indomitable monster.

[Smudge]

Speaking of which, just what does one have to do to get a Hal and Flash? There's no way I'm giving up a chase figure for them, as by next set, the WL craze will subside, whereas most of the chase figures will retain their value. Plus, the WLs aren't the same value as chase prices (with the possible exception of Hal and Superman, and even then I'm doubting it) (SI chases excluded from this). It sounds like a couple WLs would equal a chase and a couple SRs of mid value would net you a WL, whereas a high value SR would equal a higher value WL. I think people are expecting too much.

I've been saying for the past week that the trade demands from WL holders have been ridiculous. I refuse to give up my E-2 Superman for WL Hal Jordan or Lamppost Bats for WL Flash. I will not fall victim to the craziness.