Can you destroy an object your standing on?

[irweasel]

Next weekend I am thinking of playing in a tournament and I have some questions about gameply that may affect my strategy.

1. Can you destroy an object token your standing on?
I am curious about this because I don't want to telegraph my next move with Nightwing.
2. If I am standing on an object can they use that object in a charge attack against me?
I am wondering because I don't think this object would be considered adjacent to me. I know they can pull it out from under me if they choose. But I am more concerned with getting a dumpster up side the head unexpectedly.
3. If you force blast some one into a barrier will they take knockback damage?
I know I am gonna see a lot of Firelord/Pyro combos and I plan on having Blue Beetle on the team to force blast them into walls and such.

[Ro-gan]

I don't have my rules and FAQ's handy so I will only answer the questions I know.

1. I don't know. I think you have to be next to it, not "on" it.

2. If you are standing on the object there are a whole bunch of scenarios that can happen. There have been rulings on this recently so you might want to check previous Forum posts.

But essentially if you are standing on the object the following can happen:

a) A clix with SS comes up to you and has to stop because he became adjacent to you. His next turn he has to successfully break away and then can pick up the object. His next turn he can then use the object in an attack. Of course, since you can't have 3 consecutive turns in a row there will be a passed turn in there somewhere.

b) A clix with Charge and SS comes up to you. As soon as he comes into BtB with you he/she has to stop. The next turn that clix has to successfully break away and if it does then can use its Charge power to pick up the object and bash your character in the noggin' with it on the same turn as the break away.

There are other things concerning this that have been clarified elsewhere so I will let you find them in the previous Forums posted. I do this not to be rude but because I am at work and tend to get yelled at if I waste too much time on the computer.

Plus, I see asz is online so I am assuming by the time I hit enter to submit this post he will have beaten me to it. lol.

[Ro-gan]

asz didn't beat me? wow.

Anyway, I forgot to answer #3.

3) I believe the clix does take 1 damage from being knocked back into a barrier. But don't quote me on this. I don't have my rules handy at the moment.

[irweasel]

Yeah, I think the best thing for me to do is get a judge's opinion on this.

Also, I have one more stupid question. That I am 99% sure of but I want to clear up because me and a friend had a discussion about it last night.

If you have a flier or TK'er adjacent to one of your figures who is adjacent to an opponet figure, assumiong the flier or TK'er is not adjacent to an opponet figure also, can you carry/TK your figure without rolling breakaway?

I think the answer is yes by the way.

[Ro-gan]

http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28674

Check out this Forum Post for the answer from Tsannick.

I hope I copied it right.

[Todosi]

Originally posted by irweasel
Next weekend I am thinking of playing in a tournament and I have some questions about gameply that may affect my strategy.

1. Can you destroy an object token your standing on?
2. If I am standing on an object can they use that object in a charge attack against me?
3. If you force blast some one into a barrier will they take knockback damage?


1. Yes
2. Not directly. They would have to move into btb, then breakaway and charge you.
3. Since Barriers are blocking terrain, I'd say yes.

Todosi

[Ro-gan]

Consider yourself 100% sure on yuor last question about Fliers/TKers.

As long as the Flyer/taxi and TKer are not BtB with an opponent they can free yuor clix that is BtB with the opponent's figure. I have used this effectively and had it used against me in the past.

[irweasel]

Ok, I know you can destroy an object that a figure occupies and that figure takes no damage.
And I know it takes three clicks of damage to do it. But does this have to be a pure three clicks (printed 3) or can it be say a printed two with close combat expert.

[Todosi]

So long as you can do 3 clix, it doesn't matter. B/C/F or CCE will work equally well.

Todosi

[Tsannik]

Yeah... since destroying an object does not require an attack roll.....

As long as you can do at least 3 clicks of damage without rolling (B/C/F being an exception, kinda), then you can destroy the object.

Someone with 1 click of damage and RCE/CCE would be able to destroy the wall..

Someone with 2 clicks of damage would not be able to destroy the wall. Though it is possible for this figure to roll a critical success, which wuld allow him to do 3 clicks of damage.....Destroying the wall does not require the roll...therefore, there is no way to roll a critical success...

This make sense?

[irweasel]

Ok, I got another stupid question.
Say for instance I have a cop next to my Nightwing, who is stealthed in an object. And, my opponet uses the energy explosion attack with Firelord/Ultron on the cop. Will the splash damage hit my Nightwing?

[Tsannik]

If the Attack roll is high enough, then the Energy Explosion would have a chance to hit Nightwing.

Though he may roll high enough to hit the Cop. He still has to roll high enough to beat Nightwing's Defense.

Does this suffice? Or more detailed explaination?

[irweasel]

This is my last stupid question I promise.

It has come to my attention that you do not need LOF to place a barrier, just range. But, on smoke cloud you only need LOF to the location you plan on placing the first square of SC. And, you have to use all four smoke cloud tiles and they must be adjacent.
What if you don't hve room to place all four, say for instance in a hallway?
And can they be adjacent through blocking terrain?

Ok, that was two sorry.

[irweasel]

It seems they have all grown tired of my silly questions.

[Xanth]

Actually, Smoke Cloud is placed exactly the same as Barrier and you don't need LOF for either. However, all the markers must be placed so each is adjacent to at least one other and all 4 must be used so if there isn't room for 4 then you can't use it. Squares aren't adjacent if there is a wall between them unless the two squares touch on the diagonal.

Hope this helps

[Tsannik]

If I'm correct...
As far as placing Smoke Cloud terrain....

This power essentially uses the same placement rules as Barrier.

I.E.

You do NOT need Line of Fire to the squares, just Range.
And can they be adjacent through blocking terrain?

I'm not sure I'm understanding this part.... do you mean:

xSxx
xSxx
xSxx
xSxx

Where 'S' is the Smoke Cloud.... Can the Smoke Cloud go 'through' Blocking terrain.... No, they MUST be placed adjacent and squares on either side of Blocking terrain are not considered adjacent.

[irweasel]

Thanks, I think that covered it.

[lancelot]

so you mean just as long i can do a "guaranteed" damage total of 3, the object/wall is destroyed? do i have to be adjacdent to it to destroy it? can someone with RCE shoot at an object/wall and destroy it given s/he has at least 3 points of damage if not for RCE?

[Xanth]

Yes, as long as you can do 3 and it can be range or close attack. Careful with Hawkeye though cos his RCE is combined with a 0 damage value so he would do only 2 clicks.

Things to remember. Although you don't roll to see if you hit with Blades you still roll the damage die and if you don't roll a 3 or highter the attempt failed. With the Hypersonice Speed attack you roll 3 times and as long as none of those rolls was a critical miss then the object is destroyed.