Local Trade etiquette

[Zephyrpower]

Hey Everyone,

I just did a local trade with someone who has been wanting to trade with me for awhile. I like the guy, and I know him better than most other local clix players, since he is one of the few people I remember playing with way back in Origins. So in the Clix circle, I would consider him a good friend, who I usually go to for advice on trades.

This is the trade I did

My
DC75 SR Ares, Uncommon Batman, Sargon the Sorcerer and R Black Alice. (also gave him a spare C Cheetah BB before we left)

For

His
SR Cassandra Nova, Crisis Uncommons Nightwing, Red Arrow, Dr. Sivana, Trickster/Pied Piper and Rare Tempest and Klarion C.

At the time, it seemed like a pretty fair deal, and a few bystanders were telling me I got a great deal.
However, when I got home and looked up the price of CR Cassandra Nova, I found out she was going for only $2-$4 on Ebay, whereas Ares goes for $10-$15. Even though I had him as an extra SR, I was still hoping to get another decent SR for him. I felt a bit ripped off and I was wondering if I should let him know that and see if he wouldn't mind giving me a few more CUR's, or perhaps another SR to compensate for the difference. I hate to do "backsies" on a trade, but I guess I wasn't aware that SR's went that low....

Anyways, I just looked up a few more figs on the Pricelist, and some are actually priced pretty decently, according the Pricelist stickied at the top.

So, I'm a bit confused now, but I want your opinions on 2 things.

1. How did I "really" make out in this trade, value and playability-wise (because I tend to consider BOTH when trading)?

2. IS it okay to approach or ask someone about "re-negging" a trade after the fact (within a reasonable time limit) if you felt you got the short end of the stick.

Also, keep in mind that I haven't really played since Origins, so I'm not exactly familiar with the values of most clix, except the DC75 ones and a few other high-end chases.

Anyways, just wanted to get that off my chest. Hope to get some good responses like usual. Thanks again everyone.

[malakim2099]

1. I think you got the short end of the deal there, but...

2. It's pretty bad form to 'renege' on a trade. Most people will not hold it against you if you ask for some time to think about a trade and do research first. Or you can also ask a third party for an opinion.

[Zephyrpower]

1. I think you got the short end of the deal there, but...

2. It's pretty bad form to 'renege' on a trade. Most people will not hold it against you if you ask for some time to think about a trade and do research first. Or you can also ask a third party for an opinion.



Yeah, both of those are kinda what I was afraid to hear. I usually ask for some time, but I did feel kinda pressured because he said he wanted get it done before the tourney started and at least one other person (the judge actually), told me it was a good deal. I wish I could take time to actually look up prices...but I felt kinda "on the spot". Plus, like I said before...I didn't realize the extreme low value of some SR's...having not played in years.

Edit: He also said he was trying to "trade in my favor" to help me catch up on sets I missed.

On the plus side. Nightwing is worth a decent amount according to the Price Guide. So I'm glad I got him....

[ccs]

I would not ask for more now that the trade is done. That just smacks of bad form.
And if someone did this to me? I'd decline to reverse the trade/add more to it. I'd also not trade with you again.

Consider;
You traded 1 SR for 1 SR,
1 rare for 1 rare,
2 uncommons for 4 uncommons,
and 1 common for 1 common.

You did indeed come out ahead - by 2 uncommons.

Did you get figures you wanted? Apparently, I guess.

Did you break even+ $ wise for the SRs?
No - at least not if you judge it based upon the secondary market value.

Could you have done better had you done your homework? Likely.
But you didn't do your homework. And this is the result.

BTW; we've all "over-paid" for some figure at some point. In trade, buying on-line, etc. (heck, I count the bricks of Brave and the Bold I ordered back in the spring as a waste of $) And it'll surely happen again. Your just happened to do so for a Casandra Nova.
If it helps? Look at it like this: That extra Ares? In reality he only "cost" you about $2.40 (booster = 11.99/5 figures.). Would you have been happy paying $2.40 for a Casandra? Would you have been happy to have opened a booster where your SR was Casandra?

In the future just do your research before you trade.
If your unsure? Ask for some time to consider it 1st.

[NoGoCat]

The price value is actually not that far off. His CUR are worth more than yours. His CURs are worth about $9 and yours at $2.50

[incredible]

Good trade.
Even if you go with the values you found, whats 10 bucks between fellow clixers?
It will come back someday.

[malakim2099]

Good trade.
Even if you go with the values you found, whats 10 bucks between fellow clixers?
It will come back someday.

This, as well. It tends to all even out. I've "overpaid" in trades before, because I felt good about it. Then I've "underpaid" in trades before, too, because the other person felt fine with it, even when I asked if they wanted anything else. ;)

Honestly, I normally don't consider the CUR value in trades that much, except for certain rares (HOT Cap, for instance).

[lestiff416]

I have to agree with Malakim on the real value of the CURs, if they aren't "worth" 3-4 dollars or more based on whatever valuation system you are using they are just filler/toss-in's and don't really effect the value of the trade. In all reality, I think the U Batman from this set is going to outpace the U Nightwing eventually, he seems to be in very short supply and will be one of the Batmen of choice if/when Justice League retires so even if you were trading the just the CURs for the CURs it would be a pretty even trade...

If you play Cassandra Nova a bunch and really enjoy the character (you won't play her that much) then you really aren't out anything right? If a couple of weeks down the road you decide you want another SR instead you certainly aren't going to get too many options to trade for the Cass Nova while the Ares would have provided a lot of value towards another SR or maybe packaged up for a higher level fig...

While doing your research is a good thing, ask around, find people you trust in your local area and see what they think of traders and trades. Never hurts to check and see if someone is trading on the realms and what their rating is and if they have had any negatives. The other rules that have suited me very, very well to this day - If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is and If someone is in a hurry to get something done, there has to be a reason.

Good Luck with your future trading!!

[naeblis501]

I wouldn't trust your judge or those players for advice any longer on trades hehe! The low value mixed with ugly design make that Nova nigh untradeable. I was amazed when I actually traded mine haha!

[pg3wg]

Usually when I trade with my local players I find that the trades are never very even but close enough not to get upset about it. You play with the people every week so no need to get horribly upset about trade value. If you want to get the most value for your figures do your trades on here.

[hair10]

1. How did I "really" make out in this trade, value and playability-wise (because I tend to consider BOTH when trading)?
If you were both happy with the deal then it was a good trade. 'Value' is completely relative and is constantly in flux.

2. IS it okay to approach or ask someone about "re-negging" a trade after the fact (within a reasonable time limit) if you felt you got the short end of the stick.
Really? You're even considering this? No, it's not OK. If you're worried about monetary value then make sure you have all the information up front before making a trade. You're basically wanting to go back to this guy and hit him up again because you made a mistake.

[Contingency Plan]

While doing your research is a good thing, ask around, find people you trust in your local area and see what they think of traders and trades. Never hurts to check and see if someone is trading on the realms and what their rating is and if they have had any negatives. The other rules that have suited me very, very well to this day - If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is and If someone is in a hurry to get something done, there has to be a reason.

Good Luck with your future trading!!

I couldn't agree with this more. There should never be a rush to trade figures, especially locally. Your figures aren't going anywhere and if the other party really wants them, then theirs won't either.

Local trade etiquette goes both ways. If you have questions or concerns on a trade, then the other party should grant you the time to get the answers. Especially if it is someone whom you believe to be a friend.

There are plenty of people that go to our venues who are good and honest people. Many will trade heavily in your favor for something they need, or will go out of their way to score you a piece you are looking for. Seeking some of them out never hurts.

Plus it never hurts to ask around for a better offer. To be honest, I have an extra Cassandra Nova that I would trade away for a single CUR that I needed. More than likely a generic.

[maddragon13]

If you were both happy with the deal then it was a good trade. 'Value' is completely relative and is constantly in flux.

Exactly. Well said Hair. It's not that great of a difference in value between the 2 SRs that it's a big deal. And as long as you play and enjoy the Cassandra Nove, then you've gotten a good deal.

And as far as "re-negging" on the deal, well, perish the thought. A deal is a deal. Sometimes traders/buyers remorse is just a part of the game.

[BigDuke]

Same guy tried to trade me that Cassandra Nova for a Red Hulk and Arnim Zola for DC 75th Green Lantern straight up.

Make a price/value sheet, keep it with you when you trade. You don't have to be an accountant to trade (a couple bucks difference here or there don't really matter, especially if you get what you want) but it will keep you from getting ripped off again.

[SteveYourHero]

Same guy tried to trade me that Cassandra Nova for a Red Hulk and Arnim Zola for DC 75th Green Lantern straight up.

Make a price/value sheet, keep it with you when you trade. You don't have to be an accountant to trade (a couple bucks difference here or there don't really matter, especially if you get what you want) but it will keep you from getting ripped off again.

You got ripped I know the person you traded with he trades to where it benefits him and to play at that venue you can do better why not try ravenstones on thursdays guardtower every other saturday and Jays store which I cant think of name on mondays but it is at convention center had you played at any of those places their people would of told you were getting ripped off had I had one of those pieces you needed I would Have given you won not to trade with Mr Cranberry I heard he really ripped a dude off envolving e2 superman but if you like what you got and are happy with trade good for you

[malakim2099]

Also, these days people have smartphones... just have someone do an eBay search for completed listings if you want an idea on pricing. It might not be completely accurate, particularly for older figs, but it gives an idea as to the current value.

[Zephyrpower]

Hey Everyone,

First, I'd like to thank everyone who replied. I learned a lot from this incident and gained a lot of good advice here that I will certainly take to heart. I really should have been more prepared with the right knowledge and/or taken time to research the trade and not given in to the pressure to trade "immediately", especially since I had other people interested in Ares.

All in all, I really didn't lose too much. I lost maybe $10 at most, and I've heard of other people have significant amounts of Heroclix/Valuables outright stolen.... like $500, in addition to other valuables.
Not to mention I know that I've come out of trades quite a bit ahead before, so it definitely balances out with the trades that I may "lose" a little.

Next time I'll take my time if I'm "uncertain" about anything, I'll definitely take my time to make sure to do some research...and/or ask other players their opinions. Really, local trading shouldn't be rushed.. especially since I see most of Columbus' loyal/addicted Heroclix players at least 2x a week...so plenty of time to mull over trades.

Lastly, I just agreed to trade my other Ares for Surtur, Gamora and Wonder Twins SR's, in addition to several Rares, such as Kid Zoom, Grim Reaper, JJ Johanson ? and something else.
Pretty sure I made out well in that trade....regardless, I'm happy with it.

[Contingency Plan]

Lastly, I just agreed to trade my other Ares for Surtur, Gamora and Wonder Twins SR's, in addition to several Rares, such as Kid Zoom, Grim Reaper, JJ Johanson ? and something else.
Pretty sure I made out well in that trade....regardless, I'm happy with it.

This one sounds much better. Especially with Gamora involved.

One thing to help you with the other trade is to look at how long Cassandra has been around. For the people that want her, more than likely they have her, which drives her price down too. Ares is part of the new hotness that is DC75, so his price is going to be higher because of it. Once he has been around as long as Cassandra, who knows where is price will fall.

[AlienFlanders]

It is a good idea to have a rough idea of what you are chasing is worth, and of what you have to trade.

Sometimes with new stuff that is difficult, but it also comes down to how much you want that figure.

[ShadowHorse34]

Hey man thanks for the Ares SR. Im glad we could work something out. You helped me out a bunch! =)

[badseed02]

Batman from this set is going to outpace the U Nightwing eventually, he seems to be in very short supply and will be one of the Batmen of choice if/when Justice League retires

how dare you say that jl bats will never retire if so i have my black arm band ready lol

[badseed02]

sitting here and scratches head....... this deal was horrid i never would have made this trade ..but live and learn ...also figs are only worth what you value them at jl bats is only a common but i wouldnt trade one where as a lot of super rares i would trade without even playing just pepends on what YOU vlue it at....but again I would not have made that trade.........

[Contingency Plan]

sitting here and scratches head....... this deal was horrid i never would have made this trade ..but live and learn ...also figs are only worth what you value them at jl bats is only a common but i wouldnt trade one where as a lot of super rares i would trade without even playing just pepends on what YOU vlue it at....but again I would not have made that trade.........

Cannot wait to see you with the arm band. I hope there are tears involved too...:laugh:

[Thrumble Funk]

Don't trade based strictly on figure value, as that will drive you (and others) nuts. Holding out for good offers on a chase? Sure, I could see wanting to keep it even. But if it is a mid-grade SR? Hell, just swap the thing for another mid-grade SR or a figure that you want.

Values or not, if both parties walk away with figures they want and feel happy doing so, I call that a win-win.

[jolt]

As an aside, I don't feel that eBay is a good guide to a fig's worth. Sale prices there fluctuate too wildly and in the end, only represents what one particular person was willing to pay at that one particular time. Also, and this is just IMO, I'm not a big fan of price tracking sites either. Too often, they overvalue based on what the current buying fad or FotM is.

Figs aren't antiques and you're not likely to ever see one in the Louvre. In the long run, a fig's only real value is in how much you want it. As far as price goes, they all tend to devalue over time and you'll drive yourself crazy trying to match ever-changing prices. Don't let a price guide determine your happiness.

jolt

[Mr. Cranberry]

Well, seeing as how this concerns me I've debated chiming in. I guess I should so as to clear up a few facts that are incorrect.

My
DC75 SR Ares, Uncommon Batman, Sargon the Sorcerer and R Black Alice. (also gave him a spare C Cheetah BB before we left)

For

His
SR Cassandra Nova, Crisis Uncommons Nightwing, Red Arrow, Dr. Sivana, Trickster/Pied Piper and Rare Tempest and Klarion C.

Originally I was looking at trading for your SR Superman, but you had mentioned you'd rather try to sell him so I traded for the Ares figuring he'd nab me the Supes or Alan Scott later down the road.

Cassandra just happened to be the SR selected out of what I had available. Other SRs I had out were the Wonder Woman 1 Mil, JL Guy Gardner, Morlun, Wasp & Spot. You had asked which I felt would be the best for game play. IMO the Cassandra was the best choice, followed by Morlun.

Same guy tried to trade me that Cassandra Nova for a Red Hulk and Arnim Zola for DC 75th Green Lantern straight up.

This is incorrect. We were doing a larger trade and I had mentioned that for Cassandra to be on my end Red Hulk had to be on your end, for Arnim Zola to be on my end then Alan Scott had to be on your end. The bulk of CURs and REVs from older sets was what I had intended to meet the rest of the value.

Possibly I wasn't clear when we were discussing this trade.

Now, I do remember offering my Origins Vet Green Lantern straight up for the Alan Scott and being turned down. I even counter offered with a host of REVs that you were looking for, but it worked out since I ended up trading for a couple of Rares I was looking for.

You got ripped I know the person you traded with he trades to where it benefits him and to play at that venue you can do better why not try ravenstones on thursdays guardtower every other saturday and Jays store which I cant think of name on mondays but it is at convention center had you played at any of those places their people would of told you were getting ripped off had I had one of those pieces you needed I would Have given you won not to trade with Mr Cranberry I heard he really ripped a dude off envolving e2 superman but if you like what you got and are happy with trade good for you

Not sure where you heard this, but I've not ripped a dude involving a trade for any of my E2 Supes. As for trading where it only benefits me? I won't deny that I look for the best trade/deal, we all do. I remember wanting to trade for your two Brood and Omega Red for my Green Scar and Deathstroke. You turned me down and said that you'd trade Omega Red for my E2. And you were serious.

As for the initial trade in question? I feel it was even as we both ended up with things we can use. My question for the OP. Did you try to use Cassandra before you posted this thread?

Try using her before crying foul. There's lots of figs that are good to use but won't net you a bankroll. Folks have mentioned Nova isn't too good, I bet most would say that Floronic Man & Meik aren't good either. Yet I use them both often enough and usually with great results.

[omegarobb]

When a trade is finished it is FINISHED. I feel you did get the short end of the stick in your trade, however with the new GSX set you never know how nova will play.

I truly believe that clix is a game controlled by Karma. As many other players have stated it will come back around. Just be patient and think about your positive Karma bank.

[Zephyrpower]

Wow,

I'm surprised this thread keeps coming back to the top. I've long since came to peace with the fact that perhaps I made a mistake on this trade. I honestly can't blame anyone but myself for not doing more research ahead of time, or taking my time to see what other options I had.

I'm not worried about it anymore, it's all behind me now. I also still want to play her and she how she actually plays. She seems decent, I was honestly shocked she sells for as little as she does. However, with the new set coming out, she come back into demand...although she seems to be quite high in supply as well.


So yeah, let's just be over with this now!

[invisibo]

OP is underestimating the value of Crisis Uncommons (Hal from crisis regularly goes for as high as 7 or 8 bucks) and focusing too intently on the super-rares.