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Alpha-Omega
01/12/2011, 01:21
This post is to give everyone out there a little heads up, so that everyone will have a chance to affect the way things are run, and maybe help each other out as well.

Now I need to first clarify something. This post is a RANT. A RAVE against things as they stand and it is for fellow clix'ers who also want to rant and discuss this situation that I am about to illuminate. This post is NOT for anyone who is just looking to grind against the thought being posed, or to be the 'anti' body who has to throw in their two cents to make others look or feel small. If you therefore are not here to contribute to the discussion as presented then please, by all means go elsewhere and do not bother us with non relevant comments or just derogatory drivel. Bottom line: If you are not here to join in on the rant then please don't post - any such posts will be deleted if they violate this point.

That said, I want to let those of you who are not aware of how things work behind the scenes. I am sure that a great many folks here buy clixs on e-bay. It is just too hard to trade for all the clixs one tries to get, and I am sure that all of you have had to buy at least one figure from e-bay. The truth of the matter is that the prices that you pay on e-bay are artificially inflated to make sure that you pay ridiculous prices for all these Chase figures that come out. The same also goes for any of the higher desired figures.

90% (or more) of the figures listed on there (e-bay) are placed by store owners who buy cases at drastically reduced prices (buying in bulk) and then crack these cases open, pluck out the much sought after pieces, and then post them at the insane prices that people think that they have to buy them at. Granted the figures I am talking about would obviously not go for mere pennies, but none of them should be going for the near $100 dollars that a great deal of them hover around (or go over for that matter). I mean, we are talking an inch and a half chunk of plastic here people, not diamonds etc. The problem is, like many of the greedy retailers of any goods out there, these guys (or girls) are preying on those of us who have less savvy or are heart set on getting a particular figure and let our judgement get clouded when it comes time to actually laying down our cash for these items. The honest truth is, those of us with poor impulse control or lack of real knowledge as to what a truly fair price for these items should be, make the prices what they are by paying these exorbitant fees for the figures in question.

The only way to stop this price gauging is to stop paying these ludicrous amounts all together and let the retailers know that we, as a community, will not tolerate their behavior in this manner anymore. I am not saying a retailer is not allowed to make a decent profit or make back their investment, just that they should not be allowed to take such unfair advantage of the consumer and leave us all not only hurting emotionally but financially as well.

One way for this to occur would be to boycott one set completely in terms of the Chase figures etc. It would take everyone out there just refusing to acquiesce to paying anything more then say $10 or $15 total for the highest end sought after pieces (maybe as high as $20, this could be discussed) and absolutely flat out refusing to purchase anything priced over that amount on e-bay, or anywhere else for that matter. It would send a very powerful message to the retailers that we the consumer are not being fooled by them anymore and we are not willing to let them get away with this 'sky is the limit' attitude.

I know that it might mean not getting a piece that you really want, but if it meant you could be assured of getting all the rest of the figures in the future at a more realistic price point, wouldn't it be worth it? I know that I could do this. As it stands I am missing out on many figures already due to the crazy prices they are getting away with on e-bay now. And there does not appear to be any end in sight to this behavior. If something is not done soon only the top 10% or so of the population is going to be getting any of the really cool figures anyway. I don't know about the rest of you but I cannot afford to drop $50 to $100 PER Figure on Chases (and now even Super-Rares are inching up into that line too). At this point scraping together the $100 dollars or more to get a full case, just to not get the whole set on top of that, is beyond draining.

Maybe one of you fellow ranters has a better idea, or can elaborate further on what I have said to perhaps help us all get this situation under control. All I know is that in about one or two more sets of this insanity I am going to have to call it quits anyway. My budget, middle class as it may be, cannot tolerate any further assent into the price stratosphere these people are soaring towards. We have to work together to bring things back down to a more realistic level.

So fellow collectors RANT away! (And FOR our topic, NOT against it - again see above, thanks.)

Owlman
01/12/2011, 02:14
Interesting introduction, telling people not to disagree with you. I'm not sure how you intend to enforce that, but I wish you the best of luck.

I think that for a movement like this, a $20 limit on pieces is not too high. After all, that's still cheaper than buying two boosters, so that's a pretty fair price for some of the more sought after SR's. I would love it if an idea like this took off, but I wonder if you could reach enough people through the Realms...

Sigdr
01/12/2011, 02:16
Well, this is definitely a poll or a survey, and thus belongs in this subforum.



So, there's a few figures I'm looking for. Most of the chase figures out there, White Lantern Hal Jordan, Cosmic Spider-Man, HoT SR Loki, KC Green Lantern, Rupert and Victor Creed. They're all at least somewhat rare, so naturally they cost a fair amount when I look on eBay.

In the interest of promoting fair prices and putting a stop to price gouging, I trust that if you have any of these figures, you will sell them to me for $15. I might even go as high as $20, as you suggest, for Rupert, but in the interest of fairness, I fully expect you to be willing to sell it to me for $15.
It'll kill two birds with one stone: We can both be satisfied with a fair transaction, and it's one more purchase those money-grubbing eBay deviants won't profit from.

Harpua
01/12/2011, 05:53
Bottom line: If you are not here to join in on the rant then please don't post - any such posts will be deleted if they violate this point.
Good luck with that.
The truth of the matter is that the prices that you pay on e-bay are artificially inflated to make sure that you pay ridiculous prices for all these Chase figures that come out.

90% (or more) of the figures listed on there (e-bay) are placed by store owners who buy cases at drastically reduced prices (buying in bulk) and then crack these cases open, pluck out the much sought after pieces, and then post them at the insane prices that people think that they have to buy them at.

I see two things majorly wrong.

1) There is no artificial inflation.
because
2) You do no have to buy clix.

The bottom line is that something is worth what someone else is willing to pay for it. If you don't want to spend $100 on a chase figure, you do not have to do that. If somebody else chooses to do that, then the figure IS worth that to that person.

neilr1
01/12/2011, 06:20
It's a nice idea. But it will never happen. It comes down to what you're willing to pay for your piece of plastic. You may not be prepared to pay the asking prices, but many people are. I have 10 chase pieces, for example: I have not pulled any of them.

I'm not saying this is the case, but it SEEMS like annoyance on your part that some people have certain figures, and some don't; and the have nots are aggravated that they have to pay.

Sorry to disagree, but I am a human.

Herrbrane
01/12/2011, 07:24
This is perfectly on topic but, the reason that prices are so high on ebay is because people pay for it. In fact most people keep the prices at regular market price (what has been sold before) when they sell the piece. and the way that this is usually determind by having an auction and seeing what price it goes to.

Also I think it is ridiculus that you say that you won't tolerate anyone disagreeing with you in a public forum.

Norym
01/12/2011, 07:43
I did not know Kim Jong-il played Clix?

charlesx
01/12/2011, 07:46
I did not know Kim Jong-il played Clix?

So ronery....

:cheeky:

All kidding aside - unfortunately the price of plastic crack will remain high as long as there are people willing to pay exhorbitant prices for it. There is no stopping someone who perceives value in something as silly as a plastic superhero toy. Occasionally, I have been one of those folks so I speak from experience.

FlavorableDeez
01/12/2011, 07:59
This whole thing is simple economics that goes back to people trading things like beads and other forms of currency for goods and services: things are worth what folks will pay and I don't see that changing. It would be amazing to see the price come down on the chase figures, especially now that most of them are only going to be super-rares. I'm guessing that your complaint mainly stems from the fact that DC's 75th has what could be considered 10 chase figures and if you buy a case you're probably only going to pull 2 from it. That leaves 8 at potentially high prices and I can see where that's very frustrating to collectors but in all honesty I don't see Wizkids/Neca doing this again in a set. What the major complaint should be on this topic when dealing with ebay is why do people feel the need to bid on something (anything) when there is more than one minute left to go in the auction. If we all got together and decided to wait until time was almost up to bid it would drive the prices down some (in theory, I'm sure it would be crazy in that last minute but it would knock at least $20 off the final price).

Thrumble Funk
01/12/2011, 08:13
If you therefore are not here to contribute to the discussion as presented then please, by all means go elsewhere and do not bother us with non relevant comments or just derogatory drivel. Bottom line: If you are not here to join in on the rant then please don't post - any such posts will be deleted if they violate this point.

Wow. There are many things wrong with the above.

Also, how do you intend to delete said posts?

shanbo83
01/12/2011, 08:22
sorry if this is considered driveling but some folks like myself have nowhere local to buy clix so most of them do come off of ebay. if i can afford it great, if not i have patience. its kinda like ordering imports, if its not sold in your area someone is going to pay out the bootie for it. but since you are the only person on this thread that can have a valid point and everyone must agree with you, then i am completely in the wrong and thats fine by me.
just a suggestion, if your going to demand people to agree with you then it just flat out isn't going to happen. had you been a little less rude about it i would have said i completely agree but due to my situation i have to pay the devil's due/.

Norym
01/12/2011, 09:00
I have bought and sold on eBay. I prefer to do it locally, but that is not always an option. WL Ice is more common than SR Hal for about a 25 mile radius, whats a guy to do?


@ OP, delete this post, I double dog dare you.

supremepontiff
01/12/2011, 09:05
have you not ever taken a marketing class??? It's a cornered niche market.

I'm sure if NECA wanted to produce a White Lantern Batman and produce only 500 of them and charge 300 dollars a piece for them, they'd sell out and be on ebay for 500 dollars, and sell out again.

simple supply/demand.

-RmL

nightmaster
01/12/2011, 09:07
not only do you know nothing of economics, but you will not stand for contrary opinions?

IceHot
01/12/2011, 09:19
I am more concerned about what the stores are doing with the extra clix they open that arent worth as much....

Apparently they are melting them down and using the chemicals to make METH....for gosh sakes think of the children.

Dr. Z
01/12/2011, 09:33
Honestly, I'm happy with my Ebay clix purchasing experiences. I elected not to buy any packs of Avengers, but a few months after release I decided to buy some. Not being overly impressed by the crop of super rares I just bought all the commons, uncommons, and rares individually from the same seller for under $20. Made my day.

I have bought Time Trapper (and several other SRs) for under $8.
15 Multiple Man pieces for approx $40
Won SCAM and Starro together for under $100.
Bought a chase figure for under $50
Bought a Brick of Arkham Asylum for $40 in which I pulled a chase Batman AND Superman Prime.
And many other great deals.

Its like anything else, you have to be smart with your money, look for the deals. If you think the price is too high; thats your opinion, nobody is forcing you to buy it. Not everyone is going to share that. Personally, when I see a $40 Buy It Now price tag on Volstagg or $60 on Sinestro I keep going; they are not worth that much to me. But if someone does value them that much to make the purchase I have no right to dictate to them what they can buy or spend.

Norym
01/12/2011, 09:36
I am more concerned about what the stores are doing with the extra clix they open that arent worth as much....

Apparently they are melting them down and using the chemicals to make METH....for gosh sakes think of the children.

Wont's someone please think of the children? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh2sWSVRrmo)

Firebrand32
01/12/2011, 09:52
Wow. 268 posts and already telling everyone what to do! I love the "posts will be deleted" part. That just made me want to argue with you more!

But to respond to your thought--I don't agree in any way. Things are worth what they're worth. The market sets that value. It's not just the sellers. What may not be worth a $100 to you might be worth a $100 to the next person. What you propose is worse than the sellers. The selling community offered figures at price x. People lapped them up at that price and sellers raised their prices. Buyers continue to meet that price until demand is lower than supply. At that point the price either holds constant or slips down. For instance, I sold several WLs when the set first came out. Those prices have since went up and I made less than I would have now. Same for HoT. I looked back and I sold two Smokey Feet Caps for 3.00 each. Things happen. But no one made me sell at any price. No one is making you buy at any price. Save your money and move on.

But when you tell people not to argue with your point--well then you're just ignorant of not only basic marketing concepts, but also how message boards work. Shouldn't you know something about what your talking about before taking such a high and mighty attitude?

BattlinBichon
01/12/2011, 09:54
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The bottom line is that something is worth what someone else is willing to pay for it. If you don't want to spend $100 on a chase figure, you do not have to do that. If somebody else chooses to do that, then the figure IS worth that to that person.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, that about sums it up.

Alpha-Omega
01/12/2011, 10:11
The point made was not that people couldn't have their say or viewpoint - as so many seem to feel they have to curtail others to survive - but to stop the nonsensical inane arguing and lame name throwing that every post seems to draw here. I ASKED for other peoples view points in my post. I did not say to agree with me, but not to just belittle others for having their views. The basis was to help us all out. As there is obviously no way to do that here I give up on this. Spend what you will, buy what you want at whatever ridiculous price you want to, and have a nice day.