ATA: Secret Six! [Archive] - HeroClix Realms

Typhon

01/12/2011, 12:31

<img src="http://www.hcrealms.com/units/ata_secret_six.jpg" width="250px" style="padding-right:5px" align="left">Good day fellow HeroClix fans! Striking from their hidden base, the House of Secrets (rumored to be in Vermont), Mockingbird’s former minions are now out to make a name for themselves.
Today’s preview is the Secret Six ATA! Deadly as a group, now your Six are equally deadly individually! [...]

[Read More on WizKidsGames.com (http://wizkidsgames.com/blog/2011/01/12/villains-united/)]

fastcat99

01/12/2011, 12:35

The coolest thing I've seen this year! I like this ATA better than just about any other!

moogleclix

01/12/2011, 12:36

hmm... Could this "technical maintenance" involve activating the brick fig section of the site? *dramatic music, Dr. Evil pinky*

As for the ATA, I like it! It's mean, just like the new Deadshot. :cry:

algrim

01/12/2011, 12:38

I *LOVE* this new ATA... and so does BANE!

MushroomJones

01/12/2011, 12:39

AWESOME! Now all we need is the Sinestro Corps ATA and my life will be complete!

Arsenalroy2k

01/12/2011, 12:42

V Catman
V Cheshire
Ragdoll
The Parademon
Scandal Savage
V Deadshot (Unleashed)
6x Secret Six ATA
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397 Points.

V Catman
Ragdoll
Mad Hatter (AA)
Scandal Savage
V Knockout
Deadshot (DC75)
6x Secret Six ATA
----------------
449 Points

Just sayin'.

macewyndu

01/12/2011, 12:49

This is a nice ATA to represent the secret six, but the damage is not penetrating or unavoidable. I would like much better if it was penetrating. But i will still use it this ATA never anyway with my secret six team. Also don't forget, you can play this ATA plus with along the original team ability, the character currently have.
For example:
Deadshot = Suicide Squad + Secret Six
Black Alice = Mystic + Secret Six

Unless the ATA says otherwise.

iceman243

01/12/2011, 12:57

That's really good for the points. I may actually run a Secret Six team now.

Typhon

01/12/2011, 13:00

This is a great ATA. I really like how the cards make the game much more dynamic ... and of course fill in those pesky spare points. :)

dariustad

01/12/2011, 13:12

Oooo, me likey! Me likey whole bunch! :D

Striker Mcbain

01/12/2011, 13:21

Good. Maybe too good. There will be much wildcard abuse with this.

PlotDeviceLad

01/12/2011, 13:23

Check it:

AN Deadshot
AN Ragdoll
AN Black Alice
AN Bane
BB The Parademon
AA Scandal Savage
AA Mad Hatter
JL Lex Luthor
OR Vet. Knockout
OR Vet. Cat-man
UN Vet. Cheshire
+ Secret Six ATA x11
=997 points

The theme team and ATA's fit nicely at a little under 1000 points! I love it!

Blubeard

01/12/2011, 13:24

yes yes yes!!! and comboed with the SS TA that mostof them already have...mad hatter dying has never been better for the team!! :laugh::grin:

Clicky

01/12/2011, 13:26

They should retitle this ATA "Predator Wrist Watch"... That way when my Secret Six character knows he is defeated he can recalibrate his arm piece to detonate, taking every last Schwarzenegger with him.

"You're one ugly Mother..."

BOOM!
Take 4 clicks of damage. :laugh:

WarHULK

01/12/2011, 13:34

I really dig this ATA! Bane train, comin' through!

Azrael0626

01/12/2011, 13:35

Very nice ATA and one a lot of us have been waiting for. Can't wait to try it out.

Arsenalroy2k

01/12/2011, 13:37

This is a nice ATA to represent the secret six, but the damage is not penetrating or unavoidable.

Which is good. If it was penetrating/unavoidable, that'd be a little disgusting. But as it stands, if you don't think you'll make a high roll with that damage, dish it all to the guy with no reducers.

Rurouni KJS

01/12/2011, 13:57

Which is good. If it was penetrating/unavoidable, that'd be a little disgusting. But as it stands, if you don't think you'll make a high roll with that damage, dish it all to the guy with no reducers.

You don't have to choose who to deal it to until after you make the roll. :devious:

Monkaroni

01/12/2011, 14:06

WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW!

I'm at a loss for words with this one, hahaha.

Troma99

01/12/2011, 14:12

http://heroclix.com/blog/2011/01/12/villains-united/

it's wk official.

Perplexinator

01/12/2011, 14:16

Wow, these new ATAs have been CHEAP. 3 points is amazing for the ability. It works well with Suicide Squad and Mystics AND wildcards.

SLVRSR4

01/12/2011, 15:13

Ho-lee-crow!!!

T Rez

01/12/2011, 15:21

Wow, soooo glad I did not trade away my DC75 Bane.

SLVRSR4

01/12/2011, 15:25

Wow, soooo glad I did not trade away my DC75 Bane.

Yeah, people already want him like crazy. Now it's going to be insane!

mattfromwaldorf

01/12/2011, 16:19

WOOOOO HOOOOOO!!!

Me so happy!!

I've been waitin and waitin and we finally get some pimpage.

13 x R Parademon Warrior 22pts each

286pts

Send'em all out to base opponents and watchem all go boom.

ctrosejr

01/12/2011, 16:25

AN035 Ragdoll 46
BB030 The Parademon 94
AN034 Black Alice 94
AN005 Deadshot 89
AA014 Scandal Savage 60
Secret Six ATA X 5
-----------------------
398

ctrosejr

01/12/2011, 16:31

AN035 Ragdoll 46
BB030 The Parademon 94
OR042 Cat-Man 64
UN033 Cheshire 44
AN057 Bane 140
AN034 Black Alice 94
Secret Six ATA X 6
---------------------
500

Whoo-hoo!

Kokuryuu

01/12/2011, 16:34

Wooow, an amazing ATA for one of my favorite teams! Everybody's gonna be afraid of attacking Black Alice at all now, unless they're packing shadowpact... in which case I can steal one of their powers! Brilliant!

Even better... this ATA seems like it was made especially with Ragdoll in mind, because if you don't have an enemy next to you when Ragdoll goes down, you're doing it wrong.

This ATA can be avoided by just ranging the click to death, but I like how it encourages hyper aggressive behavior on the part of the person playing the Secret Six, which is extremely appropriate given the team. A+ ATA, great job WizNECA!

joeldad

01/12/2011, 16:43

Couple thoughts:

Deadshot just went from a 9 to a 10 of a figure. Killing him and Black Alicia suddenly seems like a BAD idea.

I really want to team Ragdoll with Mr Terrific. Why? Your opponent outwits ragdolls defense ( shape change or SS) and Mr Terrific outwits their damage reducer. They kill ragdoll, magically now penetrating damage. If they decide to attack and KO terrific, ragdoll heals. It is gross!

Suicide Squad theme teams with Deadshot just got more ridiculous!

tyroclix

01/12/2011, 16:59

I'll reserve my comments for later but I am curious to those who love the TA. Why do you love it? Is it just because you can damage opposing figures without needing to attack them?

Anyone feeling this is comic-accurate?

Looking forward to reasons why this is exciting to see.

Miraclo

01/12/2011, 17:19

It projects to me that sense that even though they may not like each other that much they tend to take an attack against one of them as an attack against all of them, especially while operating as a team. It's the sense that they're thinking that X may be an #######, but he's our #######. More broadly it sends the character-appropriate message that taking out a member of this team is asking for trouble.

People seem to be reading it with more generous expectations than what will likely happen, though. Aside from the ranged KO that will likely be seen it's likely that there will only be one piece adjacent to the KOed one at the time, so deciding where to place the damage is likely to be a matter of no choice.

I agree that making it penetrating damage would have been taking it to an extreme.

At 3 points each it strikes me as a cost-effective and character/team-appropriate.

Ultim8 Avenger

01/12/2011, 17:21

atlantis was the red headed step child. no love for water folk...even in heroclix.

Nitecralwer24

01/12/2011, 17:30

jeez, combined with the suicide squad TA many of them have, this is doubly nasty. nasty nastiness.

Marshal Law

01/12/2011, 17:34

Is it just because you can damage opposing figures without needing to attack them?

And at a cheap cost - yeah, that's probably it.

Being able to pimp up a few normally over priced rookie Parademon Warriors into 22 point "hang on you like a deer tick while pushing every chance to chew on you until they pop like a grenade" certainly has entertainment value.

Mainly the merit of the ATA is for figures you know are going to bite the dust anyway, and you want to maximize the effect. So I don't see it as all that awesome on figures like Bane, who you want to keep in the fight for the duration given what he costs and how much work it takes to get him into position to be pay back that cost - not to mention is likely to get wacked at range anyway. Nor so good on figures like Black Alice, who your opponent will do their best to ignore in favor of dealing with more immediate threats (not to mention the dislike of taking Mystics unless you have to) and may well never get around to KO by game end. Fairly good on figures like Ragdoll, who you throw in to be a hindrance and know will eventually cack it. Fairly good on figures like Deadshot, who your opponent has little choice but to quick KO or die trying anyway. Great on figures like Scandal Savage, who spend their short lives in a school of piranha imitating blaze of glory anyway. But mostly great on those figures that cost little, spend their lives on the front line, and die like ants after a school field trip to a magnifying glass factory. Figures like the old Parademon Warriors.

Cold-Midnight

01/12/2011, 17:42

Good. Maybe too good. There will be much wildcard abuse with this.

You forget this is keyword based not team ability based hence wild card abuse is impossible. I love this ATA but I am still waiting for my New Warriors team ability:cool:

konasavage

01/12/2011, 17:42

Dying has never felt so good. Suicide Squad + Secret Six = Please kill me =)

Milagro

01/12/2011, 18:08

cj010 Parademon Warrior now are parabombers for 22 pts :p

ThePrinted6

01/12/2011, 18:29

Quick question regarding this ATA and timing with HSS... Considering that a Hypersonic fig cronking him with a heavy is one of the common ways that Deadshot is gonna die, does this thing activate before or after the HSS gets to use the rest of his movement to get away?

Which timing is correct?
1. HSS move, hit, KO, Secret Six roll, damage that possibly results in the loss of HSS, then any remaining HSS move.

2. HSS move, hit, HSS move, KO, Secret Six roll.

I'm inclined to think it's the first, and I hope so, because I've always been under the impression that all the repercussions of the attack during HSS have to be resolved before the remaining movement is used, like a critical fumble or Mystics damage knocking you off of HSS leaving you where you made the attack. If that stance is wrong as well, I'd love to know.

350s10

01/12/2011, 18:40

You could pull a chain reaction with The Parademon on last clix and
some Parademon Warrior pushed to the end

I can see 2 or 3 around a beat stick and then
The Parademon uses Pulse Wave

Glen Quagmire

01/12/2011, 18:55

You forget this is keyword based not team ability based hence wild card abuse is impossible. I love this ATA but I am still waiting for my New Warriors team ability:cool:

Ah, but someone forgot to read last year's rules for the new way wild cards work with ATAs. ;)

Troma99

01/12/2011, 19:22

Ah, but someone forgot to read last year's rules for the new way wild cards work with ATAs. ;)

exactly I've already formulated a "Mary jane' bomb team;

bane+ jarvis pog+ Secret Six+ x amount of mary janes to fill out the cost with three points left over for a feat or another bystander

JoeGualtieri

01/12/2011, 19:24

Good. Maybe too good. There will be much wildcard abuse with this.

I think MJ just passed the butlers and Security Guards as the go-to pog for Golden Age Secret Six teams.

icB003 Mary Jane Watson-Parker
Team: Spider-Man
Range: 0 :bolt:
Points: 5
m-boota-fistd-shieldg-starburst7614.KOKOKOKO

JoeGualtieri

01/12/2011, 19:26

exactly I've already formulated a "Mary jane' bomb team;

bane+ jarvis pog+ Secret Six+ x amount of mary janes to fill out the cost with three points left over for a feat or another bystander

Hey, this wasn't there when I started typing! Great minds think alike!

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Troma99 again.

Troma99

01/12/2011, 19:36

Hey, this wasn't there when I started typing! Great minds think alike!

Yup I posted it in the MAIN thread on the general discussion about this.

It was my first thought when I saw this. Someone said it was open to EE and such...and my thought was" Why the hell would I line them up for that If there's enough open space"...

But yeah...Bane can hold back after the mass bombing and "clean" up.

NickCarraway

01/12/2011, 20:02

Oh, for a cheap teleporter and one fig with mastermind.

I think this was made with Ragdoll in mind. He sticks to your opponent and killing him is going to hurt.

Oceanmaster has Mastermind and the SSoSV. Amanda Waller is all about Mastermind and has Suicide Squad. and Mad Hater.

SI immortus fits all the bill.

Troma99

01/12/2011, 20:04

Nickel97

01/12/2011, 21:46

Wow! This might almost make me rescind some of my previous statements about how Additional Theme Attachments are wastes of points and cardboard. This one actually is A)good, B)affordable, C)thematically appropriate, D)works well (or at least has resonance with) the other TA normally on the figures, and E)seems designed to actually round out the cost of a Team.

I will use this. I've never said that about a new-style ATA before.

Superfly

01/12/2011, 21:58

Best ATA ever? I think so.

cteshwayo

01/12/2011, 22:32

Oh, for a cheap teleporter and one fig with mastermind.

JL Lex Luthor has the Secret Six keyword, Wildcard (giving him Suicide Squad when teamed with most of the rest of the Six), and, down the dial, Mastermind usable four squares away.

This ATA is mechanically potent, and matches the Six's brutality in combat. When the Six get hit, they hit back harder

I have only a single gripe- you can't play a comic-accurate current Six team with the ATA, or you'll get a very awkward point total.

Here's hoping that the next Catman, or a Jeanette, will fix that problem.

charlesdward

01/12/2011, 22:43

Not just Secret Six, but Suicide Squad benefits nicely from both this (Deadshot is on like, 98% of all lineups) and from the Shadowpact ATA (Nightshade - see Deadshot). Granted, you can only use one or the other, but either way, JL Captain Boomerang, Persuader, and Captain Cold just got way better.

JoeGualtieri

01/12/2011, 22:50

Amanda waller can't use Secret Six.

Yet. They're working for her now, so the next version should be able to.

VikingRS

01/13/2011, 09:47

This doesn't stack with Mystics damage does it? As in, the ATA on someone with Mystics causes the damage from the ATA to become penetrating?

Or are people referring to it stacking talking about one then the other?

In that case which would go first? I imagine it is users choice.

Troma99

01/13/2011, 10:07

Yet. They're working for her now, so the next version should be able to.

Yup I know this but you were referring to the AA figure

Vevilaughs

01/13/2011, 10:44

Would Armor Piercing make the damage from this ATA penetrating?

Troma99

01/13/2011, 10:57

Would Armor Piercing make the damage from this ATA penetrating?

That's a good question...because I don't believe THE FIgure is the one doing the damage but rather the card.

Thrumble Funk

01/13/2011, 11:03

I guess this means no Easy Company. Well, looks like the EC will be teaming up with HoT Cap in the future...

Troma99

01/13/2011, 11:52

I guess this means no Easy Company. Well, looks like the EC will be teaming up with HoT Cap in the future...

Why not SI Nick Fury?

Sgt. Rock And Nick Fury and their Howling Commandos of Easy Company?

Thrumble Funk

01/13/2011, 11:53

Why not SI Nick Fury?

Sgt. Rock And Nick Fury and their Howling Commandos of Easy Company?

Huh! Not a bad idea! I'll probably have to use both, though.

Troma99

01/13/2011, 11:56

Huh! Not a bad idea! I'll probably have to use both, though.

large game
HoT Captain America
SI Nick Fury
Sgt. Rock
And X Number of Easy Companies to Fill out the team.

Thrumble Funk

01/13/2011, 12:23

large game
HoT Captain America
SI Nick Fury
Sgt. Rock
And X Number of Easy Companies to Fill out the team.

Yeah, it'll work. But the straight themer in me wishes the Easy Company could stand on their own.

Pentarch

01/13/2011, 17:27

Troma99

01/13/2011, 17:28

While in most cases I love my wild cards being able to copy ATA's, (Mainly Runaways on my Teens, but whatever.) Honestly though, if someone was to set down Deadshot and a bomb army of Mary Janes, I would be far from enjoying the game at that point, and really hoping that I packed enough EE to deal with it.

If you're playing a half way intelligent opponent with that team I'd say you'd be better off with Pulse wave

Thrumble Funk

01/13/2011, 18:37

While in most cases I love my wild cards being able to copy ATA's, (Mainly Runaways on my Teens, but whatever.) Honestly though, if someone was to set down Deadshot and a bomb army of Mary Janes, I would be far from enjoying the game at that point, and really hoping that I packed enough EE to deal with it.

Meh. Munchkins ruin everything. Try not to let 'em get to you.

ihavemercy

01/14/2011, 13:25

Sorry to bother every one who wishes to gossip about the new ATA. but i feel a little left out here. My work won't let me view gaming related sites. but i can read forums so If some one would be so kind as to type out the ATA and the point cost, I would be very pleased to join in with the conversation.

Thanks all.

xandman

01/17/2011, 13:14

exactly I've already formulated a "Mary jane' bomb team;

bane+ jarvis pog+ Secret Six+ x amount of mary janes to fill out the cost with three points left over for a feat or another bystander

Silver bullet: J.Jenna Jameson...I mean J.Jonah Jameson(rare/WOS)

invisibo

01/17/2011, 13:25

While in most cases I love my wild cards being able to copy ATA's, (Mainly Runaways on my Teens, but whatever.) Honestly though, if someone was to set down Deadshot and a bomb army of Mary Janes, I would be far from enjoying the game at that point, and really hoping that I packed enough EE to deal with it.

I'd use black alice over deadshot so they also get the mystics TA, which would mean you'd only get 1 shot off with EE before you either lose it or KO yourself.

incredible

01/17/2011, 20:07

While in most cases I love my wild cards being able to copy ATA's, (Mainly Runaways on my Teens, but whatever.) Honestly though, if someone was to set down Deadshot and a bomb army of Mary Janes, I would be far from enjoying the game at that point, and really hoping that I packed enough EE to deal with it.

Spread out the pogs by one square to nerf EE.
Pulse wave is harder to nerf.

JoeGualtieri

01/17/2011, 22:00

I'd use black alice over deadshot so they also get the mystics TA, which would mean you'd only get 1 shot off with EE before you either lose it or KO yourself.

You can copy Mystics or Secret Six, not both at once.

Troma99

01/17/2011, 22:24

You can copy Mystics or Secret Six, not both at once.

However if a figure is shot at range you're still giving the opposition a nice big middle finger

DaddyDoom

01/17/2011, 22:40

charlesdward

01/18/2011, 01:02

I waited until someone from my venue posted their evil plan before commenting, but seriously, this ATA is proof that Wizkids does not play test nor think through consequences of their overall game design.

MJ pogs dealing up to 4 damage, Bag-Man piling on more to his already broken trait...seriously??? They should have limited this ATA in the wording to preclude WCs.
Exactly what I've been saying from the start. They did it to The Society, which is not even close to this level of abuse. I see an errata in the near future, as I don't thing this kind of abuse was at all what the designers intended.
EDIT: I think they do playtest, but likely get caught up in the fun of using Secret Six teams - maybe wildcarding on a suicide squad team. But I suspect the playtesters probably don't function on this level of evil munchkinism. And yes, I just made that word up.

DaddyDoom

01/18/2011, 10:22

I think they do playtest, but likely get caught up in the fun of using Secret Six

Then they don't have the right people play testing. Cosmic Spidey was the first indication, and I am sure this will not be the last.

It's as if they don't consider the entire picture when creating something like this. So that each rule or mechanism in itself is harmless when put together it literally kills the game. In this case, introduce new ATAs like crazy that based on keywords have broader play ability; introduce PnP that allows you to create an army of wildcard MJs; introduce WCs being able to copy ATA; then add this stupid card.

Now GL can bring a slew of makred MJs up, they can KO themselves by pushing, and potentially deal up to 16 clicks of damage. With a Shield Disruptor at hand, they can almost kill Galactus. Take out the perfect rolls and disrupter and they still deal, on average, 6-8 clicks. Yeah, real fun.