Destiny Awaits

[WizKidsNECA]

<img src="http://wizkidsgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/WLC-Front.jpg" width="250px" style="padding-right:5px" align="left">Hello there HeroClix fans!
The last installment in our series of Print and Play elements for DC 75th Anniversary is no other than the White Lantern Corps ATA!
As you can see, the White Lantern protects its own; before any attack roll is made, you can boost a friendly figure’s defense by +1! [...]

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[eelnoside]

NICE!!
good way to boost up my WL Hal Jordan defense to greater heights!

[algrim]

WOW - that is good!

[T Rez]

The way the card is worded it seems to me like you only need to pay the 3 points for one WL and that covers the whole team.

"Place a number of tokens on this card equal to the number of characters with the White Lantern Corps keyword with which you begin the game." It does not say a number of tokens equal to the characters who you paid for this ATA.

Also looks like it will work for any character: "remove one token to modify a friendly character's defense value by +1"

Compare this to the Amazon ATA where it clearly states: "Whenever a character using this team ability..." and "a friendly character using this team ability".

So it looks like 3 pts covers your whole WL team. Not bad IMO.

edit: Please disregard my foolishness. Didn't know you HAD to assign the ATA to each eligible unit on your force. Not sure I care for this at 3pts per WL.

[Dr. Z]

Wow, it specifies no time limit on the +1. Does it last until the end of the action? End of the turn? Beginning of next turn? Until the end of the game?

[Silver Lantern]

Say hello to 22 DV WL Hal...

[PlotDeviceLad]

Kind of disappointing after the other ATA's, though it makes some sense and is significantly different. I'm unsure if I'll ever use this on the specific theme team, but I could definitely use it on say a Teen Titans team.

[specialmagic]

So, just to be sure, when you play an ATA, you are only playing the card once, but paying for each character, right? So basically you get one token per 3 points you spend?

Also, I'm with Dr. Z in wondering how long the bonus lasts.

[Clixkilla]

I hate this. I hate the White Lanterns. They are all horrible (with the exception of a couple). With all the people begging for a Sinestro Corps. ATA and we get this. Tomorrow's anouncement had better be great!

[Roderic_Cliche]

Interesting question there that's been raised about the duration of the modifier.

[deadshot042]

Great... this is what we all wanted. Never mind that other corps that has existed for several years, will continue to exist and is comprised of pieces in Heroclix who retain their membership. :tired:

[DarkLordVerjal]

:tired:

That is all...

[Thrumble Funk]

Damn it all...

Well, here's hoping I get some Easy Company love next year...:(

[fubar]

Wow, it specifies no time limit on the +1. Does it last until the end of the action? End of the turn? Beginning of next turn? Until the end of the game?

What he said.

[TheRedHood]

I hate to be the negative person(since there is only one) but an alternate team ability for a relatively small and hard to get group of characters, seems lacking. Not saying it isn't good, just doesn't do it for me.

[Thrumble Funk]

I hate to be the negative person(since there is only one) but and alternate team ability for a relatively small and hard to get group of characters, seems lacking. Not saying it isn't good, just doesn't do it for me.

Nah, I'll be a negative person too. ::see above post::

I'd have dug Sinestro Corps over this.

[Monkaroni]

This is a good ATA, but only if the +1 stays for the entire game. If not, I'd rather just have a character with Perplex.

[Hero_guy]

3pts to modify one friendly defense value by +1? I'll echo the ":tired:" sentiment. If it allowed the modification to happen after the attack roll was made, that would be awesome. And with so few WL's and the rarity of them (except Deadman), I really don't see too much abuse going on with this ATA even if it were modified after the roll. Unless, as was suggested by others, the modification lasted until the end of the game. Then it would be awesome.

[subliminalthreat]

So....um.....about the Sinestro Corps......I was just wondering if...no...I am demanding an answer to why we aren't getting one....yeah...that's what I am wanting to know....

[jolt]

I hate to be the negative person(since there is only one) but and alternate team ability for a relatively small and hard to get group of characters, seems lacking. Not saying it isn't good, just doesn't do it for me.

Agreed. An ATA for a handful of semi-chase figs is kind of bleah. Not that it doesn't work if you have all that but I think there are more needful ATA's to be made.

jolt

[DarkLordVerjal]

I hate to be the negative person(since there is only one) but and alternate team ability for a relatively small and hard to get group of characters, seems lacking. Not saying it isn't good, just doesn't do it for me.

Don't worry, there is at least 5 of us, 3 of which are saying
"No Sinestro Corps? what the ----?"

[JoeGualtieri]

Wow, it specifies no time limit on the +1. Does it last until the end of the action? End of the turn? Beginning of next turn? Until the end of the game?

The intent has to be end of action, but there doesn't seem to be anything in the BN rulebook governing the length of time a modifier from an ATA is in effect the way there is for feats.

[Perplexinator]

Okay Sinestro followers, you can have the White Lantern Corps ATA.

Sure, have it. The White Lanterns don't need it nor want it.

Happy now?

[Wilx]

I like it, when I play White Lantern Superboy with the titans or Deadman with some mystics or brightest day peps, I'll get to boost their defense against a big hit.

On a side note, this being the end of print and play for dc 75th, does that mean no feats? That makes me sad. :cry:

[Silver Lantern]

I don't think Wizkids realizes JUST HOW POPULAR the Sinestro Corp is...

TAKE NOTE NECA!!!

WE WANT MORE SINESTRO CORP AND AN ATA!!!! :)

[FrankERottweiler]

I care about the Sinestro Corps about as much as I care about the White Lantern Corps (not at all), and I think this is a decent ATA. Seeing as I only have a couple of Deadmans, I can see where on a team with mystics, it would be worth the points to throw some extra defense on someone, especially if it is remainder of the game as it seems to be worded.

[350s10]

I think its just for the attack that is about to happen

[UniqueLoginNamor]

Somewhere it says if a modifier doesn't specify a time limit the it lasts for the duration of all current actions. I don't know if its PG or rules but either way, this is not permanent.

Too bad. That would have been worth it.

[saturnflight]

I don't think any of the alternate lantern corps need ATAs yet; Sinestro Corps stands the best chance, but I don't think it's required yet.

I see this as also superfluous, but it IS the 5th ATA and therefore a bit of a bonus; consider it extra just like the extra White Lantern figures. It didn't take a slot from another ATA.

[TheRedHood]

Nah, I'll be a negative person too. ::see above post::

I'd have dug Sinestro Corps over this.

Me too, I guess there is always tomorrow :cool:

[DarkLordVerjal]

I don't think Wizkids realizes JUST HOW POPULAR the Sinestro Corp is...

TAKE NOTE NECA!!!

WE WANT MORE SINESTRO CORP AND AN ATA!!!! :)

And pieces, don't forget pieces:)

[TheRedHood]

Okay Sinestro followers, you can have the White Lantern Corps ATA.

Sure, have it. The White Lanterns don't need it nor want it.

Happy now?

:laugh: nah, I will hold out for Sinestro Corps something like:

2 points, Any Sinestro Corps member automatically hits his target and deals 6 penetrating damage. Whenever a Sinestro Corps member his a target, heal him one click.

[TheRedHood]

I don't think Wizkids realizes JUST HOW POPULAR the Sinestro Corp is...

TAKE NOTE NECA!!!

WE WANT MORE SINESTRO CORP AND AN ATA!!!! :)

They really don't, since they made the last two Sinestro's super rares and the fourth coming buy it by the brick... come on, throw me a bone...

[DarkLordVerjal]

:laugh: nah, I will hold out for Sinestro Corps something like:

2 points, Any Sinestro Corps member automatically hits his target and deals 6 penetrating damage. Whenever a Sinestro Corps member his a target, heal him one click.

That seems broken... Make it 3 points.:p

[Munchoboy]

Wow, it specifies no time limit on the +1. Does it last until the end of the action? End of the turn? Beginning of next turn? Until the end of the game?

So, just to be sure, when you play an ATA, you are only playing the card once, but paying for each character, right? So basically you get one token per 3 points you spend?

Also, I'm with Dr. Z in wondering how long the bonus lasts.

What he said.

All you need do is look to precedent, specifically the duration of the bonus granted by the S.H.I.E.L.D. TA:

When a friendly character makes a ranged combat attack, you can give any number of friendly characters adjacent to the attacker and using the S.H.I.E.L.D. team ability either a free action or a power action (but not both) before making the attack roll: For each character given a free action, modify the attacker’s range by +1; for each character given a power action, modify the attacker’s damage value by +1.

No timing or duration specified other than "before the attack roll".

Hope this helps. :classic:

[Phoenix_Icewing]

wow, I'm surprised so many people are saying this isnt worth 3 points a token because it doesnt last til the end of the game. There are only 4 other effects in the game that add a modifier to a DV in the middle of another actions, and perplex isnt one of them- ES/D, CR, and hindering terrain, plus very few SP's (The new Doomsday is the only one that comes to mind).

Even if you have just 1 WL on your team, proper use of that single token can completely break a strategy. Since they declare the action, including target, before rolling dice, you arent taking a guess at who to pump (much like choosing your wildcards at times). That +1 can make the difference between your opponent needing a 7 to an 8- its a big difference, especially for the higher numbers. That opening attack getting shut down can break the game at times.

A more strategic player might see this and use his minion figures to take the opening potshots too, in hopes of getting rid of that token, and since you reroll using the same stats, it works excellently with both of your PC's.

Of course, Mlle Marie just laughs at this ATA, but not many other figures will! Even Saint Walker will be iffy with this one as you still have to hit that higher number anyways.

For just 3 points, this has an amazing amount of potential, and if you actually get some of those WL's, you're going to want to play them at least once anyways.

[red king]

<-------------Behind a firewall! Can someone post it?

[Munchoboy]

<-------------Behind a firewall! Can someone post it?

Here you go (attached)

[Mon_ami]

Really....

Really....

Disappointing.
The white lanterns don't need anymore love. My God, besides Sinestro and Hal, they only appeared on a one page panel.

The TA could be highly beneficial being in the midde of an action but I'm backing the :tired: concensus.

I like the ATAs and appreciate the love NECA is spreading around but if any corps needs an ATA its the sinestro corps (very deserving) or redo the lame GLC ATA, or show some love to the chase black lanterns and give them an ATA.

White lanterns................

[red king]

Apparently I'm your fan-boy Muncho:

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Munchoboy again."

[Optimus997]

I hope the next big story is Sinestro redemption! Amirite?:cheeky:

[Munchoboy]

Really....

Really....

Disappointing.
The white lanterns don't need anymore love. My God, besides Sinestro and Hal, they only appeared on a one page panel.

The TA could be highly beneficial being in the midde of an action but I'm backing the :tired: concensus.

I like the ATAs and appreciate the love NECA is spreading around but if any corps needs an ATA its the sinestro corps (very deserving) or redo the lame GLC ATA, or show some love to the chase black lanterns and give them an ATA.

White lanterns................

Disagree; GLC already has a viable ATA, and Sinestro Corps is just fine for now without one.

Frankly, I understand the comics-fan desire to see a popular force granted a TA, but there isn't a good in-game reason for one at this time; Sinestro Corps is a great KW already.

I'm not saying they shouldn't get one, I just understand possibly why not this time around.

The WLC, OTOH, is one of the primary marketable elements in this set, I am not surpirsed in the least that they got an ATA.

Apparently I'm your fan-boy Muncho:

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Munchoboy again."

Simply happy to have helped.

*leaves a silver bullet*

*rides off into the sunset*

[Thrumble Funk]

Well, at least my WL Wonder Woman can pump up the Amazons to further obnoxious levels.

And for people hoping the +1 is permanent, I REALLY hope not. Lived through ICWO...not exactly chomping at the bit to see its kid brother/sister.

[DarkLordVerjal]

Frankly, I understand the comics-fan desire to see a popular force granted a TA, but there isn't a good in-game reason for one at this time; Sinestro Corps is a great KW already.

I'm not saying they shouldn't get one, I just understand possibly why not this time around.

The WLC, OTOH, is one of the primary marketable elements in this set, I am not surpirsed in the least that they got an ATA.



Marketable? Where on the booster did it say
"AND CHECK OUT WEBSITE IN 2 MONTHS, WE'LL HAVE AN ATA FOR YOUR 1 WL YOU PULLED!"

Because I obviously missed it. :tired:

White Lanterns in general are marketable, and may get a casual buyer of heroclix to go for more in hopes of one. But for the mainstay players, there isn't anything marketable about it, any more so then per usual. Most of the dc75th threads here have at least a few posts about ATAs and a lot of them are "SINESTRO CORPS ATA". I can't recall even 1 post about people wanting a White Lantern ATA, and furthermore a lot of posts complaining about them being overpowered as is. Just check that Poll thread in the Polls/Survey where the WLC is in the lead for BEST corps around.

Now Sinestro Corps have been here since HYPERTIME with the Collosal Sinestro. Since HC began they have been here, and WLC are the new kids on the block. And while Sinestro was the only member of the corps until AA, it's still been here since the beginning. Sinestro Corps should have been next in line after GLC. WLs didn't need any help from an ATA, where Sinestro corps are good--but they aren't dominant.

[Munchoboy]

And for people hoping the +1 is permanent, I REALLY hope not. Lived through ICWO...not exactly chomping at the bit to see its kid brother/sister.

Again, I see no reason to believe that the bonus duration is anything other than just that action.

We need only look to precedent, specifically the duration of the bonus granted by the S.H.I.E.L.D. TA:

When a friendly character makes a ranged combat attack, you can give any number of friendly characters adjacent to the attacker and using the S.H.I.E.L.D. team ability either a free action or a power action (but not both) before making the attack roll: For each character given a free action, modify the attacker’s range by +1; for each character given a power action, modify the attacker’s damage value by +1.

No timing or duration specified other than "before the attack roll".

Hope this helps. :classic:

[Thrumble Funk]

Again, I see no reason to believe that the bonus duration is anything other than just that action.

Yeah, I read it the first time. Would've been nice to see it actually say that, but meh. Whatever. ::shrugs::

[Impulse-ive]

i seriously doubt it's permenent. Mucho made great points to that point and who here would remember their D was +1 all game. Most people i know forget they are using Noh-varr's +1

It's a So-so feat. you biuld around 1 WL you can do this once. if you have a team of 5 WL you can do it 5 times. fun? sure...game changing? no.

[DarkLordVerjal]

Again, I see no reason to believe that the bonus duration is anything other than just that action.

We need only look to precedent, specifically the duration of the bonus granted by the S.H.I.E.L.D. TA:



No timing or duration specified other than "before the attack roll".

Hope this helps. :classic:

I agree, it doesn't say anywhere that it ends/continues to. So it's been a standard for such things that it ends after that action.

[Munchoboy]

Marketable? Where on the booster did it say
"AND CHECK OUT WEBSITE IN 2 MONTHS, WE'LL HAVE AN ATA FOR YOUR 1 WL YOU PULLED!"

Because I obviously missed it. :tired: White Lanterns in general are marketable, and may get a casual buyer of heroclix to go for more in hopes of one. But for the mainstay players, there isn't anything marketable about it, any more so then per usual.

Sales and I seem to disagree how folk are making their purchasing decsions.

The plain fact of the matter is that the WLC are featured prominently on each and every booster:
DC 75 HeroClix
Featuring the WHITE LANTERN CORPS

COLLECT ALL 10 WHITE LANTERN CORPS FIGURES

If that isn't marketable emphasis, I don't know what is. (HINT: It is ;))

To discount this casually as at least one of the contributing factors for the sales, would be premature of us.

And hyperbole (:rolleyes:) aside, what two months?

Again, the WLC are obviously intended to be one of the main draws of the set, why wouldn;t folk expect an ATA?

Again, I'm not saying that the Sinestro Corps shouldn't get an ATA, just that they're not hurting without one presently, and that eventually they probably will get one (and most folk will likely be unhappy with it when that times comes as well :p)

[Thrumble Funk]

Again, the WLC are obviously intended to be one of the main draws of the set, why wouldn;t folk expect an ATA?

Because we were quietly wishing for something that would allow you to play the Easy Company on their lonesome and not fall apart at the first sign of Inv/Imp? :nervous:

MINI RANT: I realize I'm one of the few championing the Easy Company, but I don't get why they bother making teams that you can't play thematically.

HAMMER? Cool. They have a front line attacker, can handle damage reducers, and have a cool synergy.

Checkmate? REALLY good with field generals like Marie, Fire/Ice, etc.

Amazons? Hell, they can wreck shop by THEMSELVES!

But Easy Company and Code: Blue have to get used to random team-ups, I guess.

Rant over. :)

[Dr. Z]

All you need do is look to precedent, specifically the duration of the bonus granted by the S.H.I.E.L.D. TA:



No timing or duration specified other than "before the attack roll".

Hope this helps. :classic:

This makes sense. That was my gut reaction, but I've learned not to trust things that make sense on the surface with this game!

I DO recall now reading somewhere, maybe players guide, that any modifier or replacement only lasts until the end of the action unless it is stated otherwise. The example given was that BCF now specifies until "end of the attack", making it only work with Flurry for the first attack and NOT the second. Precedent is a good thing!

[Munchoboy]

Because we were quietly wishing for something that would allow you to play the Easy Company on their lonesome and not fall apart at the first sign of Inv/Imp? :nervous:

MINI RANT: I realize I'm one of the few championing the Easy Company, but I don't get why they bother making teams that you can't play thematically.

HAMMER? Cool. They have a front line attacker, can handle damage reducers, and have a cool synergy.

Checkmate? REALLY good with field generals like Marie, Fire/Ice, etc.

Amazons? Hell, they can wreck shop by THEMSELVES!

But Easy Company and Code: Blue have to get used to random team-ups, I guess.

Rant over. :)

I totally get it.

IMHO, most of the non-Generic KWs deserve, and should receive, an ATA.

But that's another show. ;)

[UniqueLoginNamor]

i seriously doubt it's permenent. Mucho made great points to that point and who here would remember their D was +1 all game. Most people i know forget they are using Noh-varr's +1

It's a So-so feat. you biuld around 1 WL you can do this once. if you have a team of 5 WL you can do it 5 times. fun? sure...game changing? no.

It not permanent so you're doubt is well founded.


6 WL's would require at least 700 point game though. And those are the cheapest. really this card isn't good

[subliminalthreat]

So this isn't a joke afterall? we really aren't getting a Sinestro Corp ATA?.....I guess it's back to clubbing baby seals for me then......

[Troma99]

It not permanent so you're doubt is well founded.


6 WL's would require at least 700 point game though. And those are the cheapest. really this card isn't good

So a card is automatically useless because you can't use it with a theme team?

I'll go tell the new Secret six card it isn't wanted.

[PaxZRake]

Why does it seem like everyone wants a Sinestro Corps ATA?

That would mess up all of my Sinestro Corps theme teams!

[subliminalthreat]

I hope the next big story is Sinestro redemption! Amirite?:cheeky:

you sir, are getting rep! and Mincho Boy..you get none!

[Falkenburg]

I don't think Wizkids realizes JUST HOW POPULAR the Sinestro Corp is...

TAKE NOTE NECA!!!

WE WANT MORE SINESTRO CORP AND AN ATA!!!! :)

To be honest, it's that very popularity that makes an ATA more problematic then you seem to give it credit for.

As you say, the Sinestro Corp is very popular; it's also very powerful. So adding an ATA has the potential to have a big impact.

They make a powerful ATA, like Guardians of the Galaxy, and the Corp dramatically increases in power.

The make a weak ATA, like White Lantern Corp, and the people who've been clamoring for an ATA, are they now satisfied?

As for the issue of the White Lantern Corp ATA itself: while I like seeing a new mechanic, I'm not sure that the White Lanterns are a good fit for it. The WLs are just so expensive that outside of a huge game, it's hard to see people having enough of them on a team to justify using their ATA on this.

[Thrumble Funk]

I think ATAs should generally be given to groups that need a shot in the arm and/or don't have a decent TA in and of themselves.

While I get the clamoring for a SC TA, they wreck enough shop as it is. They don't really need help.

[WhoaDirty]

To be honest, it's that very popularity that makes an ATA more problematic then you seem to give it credit for.

As you say, the Sinestro Corp is very popular; it's also very powerful. So adding an ATA has the potential to have a big impact.

They make a powerful ATA, like Guardians of the Galaxy, and the Corp dramatically increases in power.



If costed appropriately, there is no need to worry about the impact to the game, the cost of the ATA would take care of that.

[malakim2099]

As far as Sinestro Corps ATA is concerned... well, I've been adamant about just giving them Guardians of the Globe TA for say, 5-6/fig. Hardly game breaking.

And it fits, because they paralyze you with FEAR. HAHAHAHA!

This, it's cute, but it's rather disappointing. I think I have to go along with Thrumble and push for Easy Company before the WLC. ;)

YES WE WERE ONE PANEL AND WE GET AN ATA! Um, wot? A chase figure for that length of time (SinBats) I get, but an actual ATA? :ermm:

[TheRedHood]

I think ATAs should generally be given to groups that need a shot in the arm and/or don't have a decent TA in and of themselves.

While I get the clamoring for a SC TA, they wreck enough shop as it is. They don't really need help.

I disagree, my Sinestro Construct needs all the help it can get :laugh:

[Thrumble Funk]

I disagree, my Sinestro Construct needs all the help it can get :laugh:

See, your first mistake is playing the Sinestro Construct. :laugh:

[PaxZRake]

I've won many a game with the mighty Sinestro Construct!

[sae]

YES WE WERE ONE PANEL AND WE GET AN ATA! Um, wot? A chase figure for that length of time (SinBats) I get, but an actual ATA? :ermm:I just want to point out that one panel is how long the ATA lasts :cheeky:

[reklawyad]

I would have liked it to be more along the lines of a Guardians of the Galaxy ATA as I felt they should be powerful enough to not get outwitted in the game but I'm happy with the ATA as is.

[NubianKenji]

how long is this +1 to def last? end of attack or until death?

[Munchoboy]

how long is this +1 to def last? end of attack or until death?

End of attack action, just like the S.H.I.E.L.D. TA.

[Clclix]

Ok, while I do have a few White Lanterns, I am rather disappointed in this, Not the ATA itself, its good, but there are more deserving teams for an ATA, like Sinestro Corps, or What about an ATA for the New Guardians, mentioning them by name on the ATA?

I will be getting a few more WL probably in the future here, but I really am having a hard time justifying the WL costs. Some of them simply are not that good, and the lowest ones seem to be going for at least 20 bucks atm...:(

[kthomas609]

My fury at the white lanterns continues. We get an alternate team ability for a group of pseudo chase figures that appeared in 1 comic. Wow. Thanks Wizkids.

[Perplexinator]

Great... this is what we all wanted. Never mind that other corps that has existed for several years, will continue to exist and is comprised of pieces in Heroclix who retain their membership. :tired:

Minus Sinestro Corps Batman, Superman Prime, Scarecrow and Anti-Monitor.

Oh, and half of the other lanterns. :P

[vlad3theimpaler]

I hate this. I hate the White Lanterns. They are all horrible (with the exception of a couple). With all the people begging for a Sinestro Corps. ATA and we get this. Tomorrow's anouncement had better be great!

Frankly, I don't think any ATA's are strictly necessary, but getting White Lantern Corps before Sinestro Corps is craziness.

[Troma99]

Minus Sinestro Corps Batman, Superman Prime, Scarecrow and Anti-Monitor.

Oh, and half of the other lanterns. :P

And Grodd...

[Troma99]

Frankly, I don't think any ATA's are strictly necessary, but getting White Lantern Corps before Sinestro Corps is craziness.

This isn't Craziness: THIS IS KORUGAR!!!!

[sinistersex]

Is Destiny going to be Friday's preview?

[Falkenburg]

If costed appropriately, there is no need to worry about the impact to the game, the cost of the ATA would take care of that.

The problem with that is that there is a great deal beyond the simple cost of the ability that has to be considered: Guardians of the Galaxy ATA (powers cannot be countered) is fine on a keyword teams that a) isn't very big, and b) has a grand total of 1 modern age figure with long stretches of damage reducers (Groot).

As far as Sinestro Corps ATA is concerned... well, I've been adamant about just giving them Guardians of the Globe TA for say, 5-6/fig. Hardly game breaking.

And it fits, because they paralyze you with FEAR. HAHAHAHA!

This, it's cute, but it's rather disappointing. I think I have to go along with Thrumble and push for Easy Company before the WLC. ;)

YES WE WERE ONE PANEL AND WE GET AN ATA! Um, wot? A chase figure for that length of time (SinBats) I get, but an actual ATA? :ermm:

GotGlobe TA is probably pretty reasonable for the Sinestro corp, but, again, that's a TA that was created for a group that has very little range, and little to no ability to strike multiple figures.

Compare that to Sinestro Corp, which has multiple figures with: :bolt::bolt:, Quake, Energy Explosion and so on.

[Citizen Kabuto]

See, your first mistake is playing the Sinestro Construct. :laugh:

I've seen gudda use the Sinestro Construct to devastating effect!

...by using it as mobile blocking terrain for SCAM. :laugh:

[WhoaDirty]

The problem with that is that there is a great deal beyond the simple cost of the ability that has to be considered: Guardians of the Galaxy ATA (powers cannot be countered) is fine on a keyword teams that a) isn't very big, and b) has a grand total of 1 modern age figure with long stretches of damage reducers (Groot).


Like I said, if it costed appropriately, power is not an issue. An appropriate cost would take many factors into consideration, including the pool of figs (and their powers) that are getting the ATA. :)

[charlesdward]

I was fine with the existence of the White Lanterns before - because as a subset I could more or less ignore them - but with this ATA, I'm fed up... no, make that completely disgusted. I don't blame Wizkids in the least though, because ultimately it's up to DC/Marvel to decide who gets released and in what form. So WHY is DC cramming this WL thing down our throats? How do they even deserve dials, let alone an ATA. THEY DID NOTHING!! There are far more deserving teams that could have an ATA.
However, I'm fine with Sinestro Corps not having one... they're perfectly effective as is; the only thing I'd like are more core members. Amon Sur is dead, Supes Prime was in for the SC War only - ditto the Anti-Monitor. Batman and Grodd don't even count. Scarecrow, cool as he is, was a 24-hour member. Actually not even that, since Luthor stole his ring.
Where are Karu-sil, Tekik, Kryb, Bedovian, Maash, Tri-Eye? Or Romat-Ru, who's basically his field commander?
Arkillo and Lyssa Drak are about all we have for the regular, long-term members, although I appreciate that Mongul has been made, too.
They could have even made a Black Lantern ATA, and I would have been fine with it - even though 4/5 of them are chases.
Or, I don't know, another ATA to replace the near-useless JLA TA... because a free move action is wasted on figures over 150 points or so. Only the lower-costed members really get any benefit from it.
I don't know if this is just to push the whole Brightest Day event or what, but personally, I'm now totally sick of anything White Lantern related.

[vlad3theimpaler]

I was fine with the existence of the White Lanterns before - because as a subset I could more or less ignore them - but with this ATA, I'm fed up... no, make that completely disgusted. I don't blame Wizkids in the least though, because ultimately it's up to DC/Marvel to decide who gets released and in what form. So WHY is DC cramming this WL thing down our throats? How do they even deserve dials, let alone an ATA. THEY DID NOTHING!! There are far more deserving teams that could have an ATA.
However, I'm fine with Sinestro Corps not having one... they're perfectly effective as is; the only thing I'd like are more core members. Amon Sur is dead, Supes Prime was in for the SC War only - ditto the Anti-Monitor. Batman and Grodd don't even count. Scarecrow, cool as he is, was a 24-hour member. Actually not even that, since Luthor stole his ring.
Where are Karu-sil, Tekik, Kryb, Bedovian, Maash, Tri-Eye? Or Romat-Ru, who's basically his field commander?
Arkillo and Lyssa Drak are about all we have for the regular, long-term members, although I appreciate that Mongul has been made, too.
They could have even made a Black Lantern ATA, and I would have been fine with it - even though 4/5 of them are chases.
Or, I don't know, another ATA to replace the near-useless JLA TA... because a free move action is wasted on figures over 150 points or so. Only the lower-costed members really get any benefit from it.
I don't know if this is just to push the whole Brightest Day event or what, but personally, I'm now totally sick of anything White Lantern related.
Why does the Anti-Monitor not count? He did more in his affiliation with the Sinestro Coprs than most of the ones you named.

[charlesdward]

Why does the Anti-Monitor not count? He did more in his affiliation with the Sinestro Corps than most of the ones you named.
Never said he didn't count. I said Batman and Grodd don't count.
But the ones I named are still members, where SCAM - like Supes Prime, and even Cyborg Superman - was there only for the Sinestro War. I love them, use them often, and truthfully, I'm glad they made Prime as the SC version, because it's the only incarnation of him I'd honestly be interested in.
And SCAM is the only version of Anti-Monitor I own too, incidentally.
I was more making the point that they could have easily made Karu-sil over, say, Yellow Lantern or Amon Sur.

But never did I say I had a problem with SCAM - he was, as you say, pretty central to the whole SC War storyline.

[vlad3theimpaler]

Never said he didn't count. I said Batman and Grodd don't count.
But the ones I named are still members, where SCAM - like Supes Prime, and even Cyborg Superman - was there only for the Sinestro War. I love them, use them often, and truthfully, I'm glad they made Prime as the SC version, because it's the only incarnation of him I'd honestly be interested in.
And SCAM is the only version of Anti-Monitor I own too, incidentally.
I was more making the point that they could have easily made Karu-sil over, say, Yellow Lantern or Amon Sur.

But never did I say I had a problem with SCAM - he was, as you say, pretty central to the whole SC War storyline.

I think I misread your previous post. I saw it as "ditto, the Anti-monitor, Batman, and Grodd don't count." Maybe it's time for a new pair of glasses...

I think Amon Sur and Yellow Lantern are good choices, though. Amon Sur had a previous history in Green Lantern with Kyle Rayner, and the Yellow Lantern was part of the Bizarro version of the Justice League. Grodd and Batman, though, only appeared for a panel or two each, so I agree with you on those. (That Batman does look cool, though.)

[Superclone]

I really never ever want to meet WL's in a tournament. That team is just silly powerful.

[Superclone]

Never said he didn't count. I said Batman and Grodd don't count.
But the ones I named are still members, where SCAM - like Supes Prime, and even Cyborg Superman - was there only for the Sinestro War. I love them, use them often, and truthfully, I'm glad they made Prime as the SC version, because it's the only incarnation of him I'd honestly be interested in.
And SCAM is the only version of Anti-Monitor I own too, incidentally.
I was more making the point that they could have easily made Karu-sil over, say, Yellow Lantern or Amon Sur.

But never did I say I had a problem with SCAM - he was, as you say, pretty central to the whole SC War storyline.

Well to be fair though - at the time that Yellow Lantern and Amon-Sur came out, the SC war had just happened, and Amon Sur in particular had had a pretty major story line around him, so I'm not surprised that they got made.

Remember, then is not now.

Otherwise, I agree with your rant and want to subscribe to your newsletter.

[Superclone]

I think I misread your previous post. I saw it as "ditto, the Anti-monitor, Batman, and Grodd don't count." Maybe it's time for a new pair of glasses...

I think Amon Sur and Yellow Lantern are good choices, though. Amon Sur had a previous history in Green Lantern with Kyle Rayner, and the Yellow Lantern was part of the Bizarro version of the Justice League. Grodd and Batman, though, only appeared for a panel or two each, so I agree with you on those. (That Batman does look cool, though.)

Can we put this to bed:
Both Grodd and Batman are Elseworld stories happening on alternate Earths. Indeed, there is an entire issue with Batman protecting Gotham with a yellow power ring *after* that 1 panel in Green Lantern on Earth-0. Grodd had the yellow power ring for an entire series (Justice).

I'm not ranting or angry or anything, but this gets repeated over and over. These figures are just as valid as any KC figure, the Vampire Batman, even Batman Beyond who is on a separate Earth or the two Legions from alternate Earths.

[vlad3theimpaler]

Can we put this to bed:
Both Grodd and Batman are Elseworld stories happening on alternate Earths. Indeed, there is an entire issue with Batman protecting Gotham with a yellow power ring *after* that 1 panel in Green Lantern on Earth-0. Grodd had the yellow power ring for an entire series (Justice).

I'm not ranting or angry or anything, but this gets repeated over and over. These figures are just as valid as any KC figure, the Vampire Batman, even Batman Beyond who is on a separate Earth or the two Legions from alternate Earths.

What was the issue with Batman using the yellow power ring? I don't remember that.

And I suppose you have a point about Grodd, although one could say that the problem is more that his keywords were inaccurate, because he was never actually a member of the Sinestro Corps.

[ben138]

I've won many a game with the mighty Sinestro Construct!

My Sinestro Construct is awesome!


Sitting on my shelf, fighting Gigan..

[malakim2099]

What was the issue with Batman using the yellow power ring? I don't remember that.

I second this request. I would love to see it. :)

[subliminalthreat]

The Batman having a Sinestro Power Ring was in an early issue of the newest Green Lantern series....for one panel...

[charlesdward]

Well to be fair though - at the time that Yellow Lantern and Amon-Sur came out, the SC war had just happened, and Amon Sur in particular had had a pretty major story line around him, so I'm not surprised that they got made.

Remember, then is not now.

Otherwise, I agree with your rant and want to subscribe to your newsletter.
This is true.
Amon had more story and history to him than Karu-Sil, or Bedovian... but as far as now goes, it was Bedovian who shot Dove at the Anti-Monitor, which is pretty major. And Kryb had a fairly significant appearance in... I think it was the Sins of the Star Sapphire arc, where she got imprisoned on Zamora.
And honestly, they'd be stupid not to make more Sinestro corps members in more sets, especially considering the current poll results showing that a Karu-Sil, at the very least, is right up there.
I have to admit that they've been good with trickling them out. After all we did just get Mongul. Yellow Lantern though, I could have easily lived without.
Even though I do enjoy teaming him with Bizarro and Batzarro rather than the SC. :grin:
But all the Sinestro Corps debate aside, I would still return to my original point that even though I don't mind there not being a Sinestro Corps TA (as nice as that would be), a White Lantern TA is unnecessary in light of so many other ones that could have been. Thrumble's wish for Easy Company, for instance, would have gone over well with many folks.
I just think that they're ("they", I strongly suspect, being DC and not necessarily Wizkids) are placing way too much emphasis and significance on a "team" that had a very brief appearance, and technically didn't even function as a "team". That's my biggest issue with this ATA.

[Superclone]

What was the issue with Batman using the yellow power ring? I don't remember that.

My apologies, I have mixed things in my head. It is strongly suspected suspected in the comic industry that in the next year such a story will appear as a follow up to Darkest Night. This speculation is based on the following.

http://thefwoosh.com/2010/09/first-look-dc-universe-classics-sinestro-corps-batman

And I suppose you have a point about Grodd, although one could say that the problem is more that his keywords were inaccurate, because he was never actually a member of the Sinestro Corps.

Yes this is a fair statement.

The Batman having a Sinestro Power Ring was in an early issue of the newest Green Lantern series....for one panel...

Yes. The clix figure is in fact the uniform from those panels.

[ontapmedia]

The way the card is worded it seems to me like you only need to pay the 3 points for one WL and that covers the whole team.



Can we get a clarification on this? Most ATAs have the *Per Character text after the point value. This Doesn't So I am in agreement that it looks like 3 points for the entire team and not "per character"

[vlad3theimpaler]

Can we get a clarification on this? Most ATAs have the *Per Character text after the point value. This Doesn't So I am in agreement that it looks like 3 points for the entire team and not "per character"

No clarification is needed. It's in the rules for ATA's. From page 17 of the 2010 rulebook:
Each ATA card indicates the cost per character that must be added to your force in order to use it in the game.