"Linked" figures vs Duos

[Puuka]

I know the Duo mechanic is kind of cool, and it is appropriate for some figures. DD&MB, Wonder Twins, Trickster & Pied Piper-chanied together and Big Barda & Mr Miracle of the ones that have been made so far. I'll even give it to Batman & Robin and Cap & Bucky. For those not made, Fenris, Más y Menos, Shadowcat & Lockheed are a few I think could work.

I would rather see more "links" with other character where they get a bonus for their respective partner being on the field like Crisis' Mammoths and Shimmers powers. or Blue Beetle from Crisis with other Booster Gold (just need a modern age Booster now ;)).

I also like Minions too.

Maybe a "Sidekick" power where the respective sidekick gets a bonus if their named mentor is on the field, adjacent/within X squares. They get +1 to a combat stat, an extra target (thinking Green Arrow/Speedy on that one), or even a free attack if thier mentor hits. Could even just add it as a symbol on the dial like the traits (chain links like on the Pirates cards) with name of the mentor and what bonus they get.

I like when new mechanics come to the game, they do add new strategy and tactic options, but it loses some of it's appeal when it's over used. B&B kind of over used it, but it was starting to happen before that.

Sitting here thinking about the Wolverine/Colossus duo that had been seen for the GSX got me thinking about this.

[SFBull]

I would like to see a variant of the Minion ability put on sidekicks. I think it would overcome the common complaint that many people have about duos; namely that the characters should be able to act independently but still show that they are better together.

[shanbo83]

Im all for the linked figures. just see my signature about duos.

[Puuka]

As I said, I don't hate duos, I just like them better when they are more appropriate.
Past figures I think that should have gotten the Dou symbol if it had been out;
Siamese from indy
XP Shadowcat U with Lockheed
the Wendy and Marvin pog.

[eternalrage]

Linked characters would get way more playing time from me. I've only played Mister Miracle and Oberon, only because there's not a modern Mister Miracle. Oh, and Blue Beetle/Booster Gold for the same reason. No modern BG. If they made MM and BG as single figures, I'd never play a duo.

[Suttkus]

I don't hate duos, but I prefer linked figures. They're just more flexible.

[Spider-Dave]

Duos are fine, as long as they are ON A SINGLE BASE.

Two single figs on a peanut base is about the worst idea ever...unless a sculpt REALLY requires it (Devil Dino....)

[traitorarmor]

I would rather see more "links" with other character where they get a bonus for their respective partner being on the field like Crisis' Mammoths and Shimmers powers. or Blue Beetle from Crisis with other Booster Gold (just need a modern age Booster now ;)).



I really liked the way Shimmer & Mammoth and Blue & Gold powers played out. I thought they were relatively well received........I'm kinda suprised we haven't seen more of it really.

[Puuka]

Another one I remembered, Ragdoll and Parademon.

Problem with the Sidekick idea is that we just got a bunch of them in Crisis. Not sure I want a bunch of reprints so soon.

Who in Marvel would the sidekick idea work for?
Cap & Bucky
Human Torch & Toro (How to signify it's that HT though?)
Wolverine & Jubilee

Not sure who else in Marvel this would work with?

[eternalrage]

Duos are fine, as long as they are ON A SINGLE BASE.

Batman & Robin would be the only one I've played of those as well. I guess I'm more opposed to the duo mechanic. There are some problems with the peanut vs regular base game play.

[JDKenada]

I would actually like more duos...but the problem is the mechanic. They tend to be overcosted for what they do because you either use their powers or the duo ability. Something that would have blended both a bit would have been well received by yours truly.

[elfholme]

I think most of the duos we've gotten are nonsensical and a waste of plastic. The only duos I'd like to see from this point on are pairs like Warstar of the Shi'ar Imperial Guard - two figures who are phycally in contact with each other for the bulk of their time in battle. Mas y Menos would be another pair that would qualify - they need to be in contact to get their powers to work. Most other pairs I'd like to see as individuals...when a spot is taken by a nonsense duo in a set and I think of the large number of individual figures we still need made/remade that could have had that spot, it genuinely disappoints. And if the pair are characters that have not been made individually (James Jesse Trickster and Pied Piper), it is VERY irritating, because WK doesn't tend to repeat these characters unless they are VERY popular. I wouldn't be disappointed if the duo mechanic were abandoned altogether.

Linked figures? Love them. This is EXACTLY what most duos should have been from the get-go. Two characters who work well together and that is represented by a Trait or SP that gives them some kind of bonus when next to each other. I think linked characters and Minion powers are some of the more brilliant rules changes WK has made in a long time. Yes I want more of them!!!

[Previously Banned]

I'm fine with the current level of linked and duo figures; I think they're producing the right amount. Just my two cents, anyway.

[elfholme]

I would actually like more duos...but the problem is the mechanic. They tend to be overcosted for what they do because you either use their powers or the duo ability. Something that would have blended both a bit would have been well received by yours truly.

If they ironed out the duo mechanic and made all duos cost-effective, I'd probably hate them a lot more than I do. Two figures that HAVE to move and act together at all times is annoying (limiting my team-building options and in-game strategic options), but at least if they aren't really efficient I don't feel like I'm forced to play them to be competitive. I also think more efficient duos would also remove any incentive for WK to release the same characters as individual figures, as there would be fewer players calling for it.

I hope WK doesn't spend a lot of development time attempting to "improve" the duo mechanic. Just phase them out by releasing superior rules (like linked characters) to represent characters that work well together.

[Zenose09]

I agree with previously banned as long as they don't overdue it with the duos like they did in BB I'll be pretty content but if they did start to do more linked figures then i would get a little more excited about getting new packs. Give us a new concept to keep the game interesting is all I'm asking.

[dkrmguy]

Swarm teams are my favorites. I would like to see more teams like Surtur & his Fire Demons or Wonder Woman & her Amazons.

[HH2011003]

I don't hate duos, but I prefer linked figures. They're just more flexible.

This is how I feel. I don't have the duo-rage that most seem to - the GL & Flash duo (post-errata) is one of my favorite support figures in the game - but I definitely think figures like Shimmer and Mammoth or Ragdoll and Parademon are a more graceful solution.

Also worth mention: The Grayson-Batman from DC75, and his duo-esque ability to move Robin around with him.

[Owlman]

I still want at least some duos. After all, Tweedledee and Tweedledum can share a dial.

[FrankCastle80]

I refuse to use duo pieces on account of the annoyance of duo rules

[specialmagic]

My only complaint with duos is when they make them double-based for no reason.

I do think the numbers being produced are about right.

I also like that the answers are questions.

[Dane77]

I'm not a fan of the duo figs because they are on the peanut base. If they swithed them to the regular base ie batman robin cap bucky, iron fist power man marvel could do whole set of the old marvel team ups lke punisher/spiderman, wolverine/hulk, human torch,iceman/ cap/falcon/ elektra/daredevil, juggernaut/blacktom/ cable/deadpool, etc.

[happyoptimistic88]

I would go with Linked figures, that's a good idea.:)

I know the Duo mechanic is kind of cool, and it is appropriate for some figures. DD&MB, Wonder Twins, Trickster & Pied Piper-chanied together and Big Barda & Mr Miracle of the ones that have been made so far. I'll even give it to Batman & Robin and Cap & Bucky. For those not made, Fenris, Más y Menos, Shadowcat & Lockheed are a few I think could work.

I would rather see more "links" with other character where they get a bonus for their respective partner being on the field like Crisis' Mammoths and Shimmers powers. or Blue Beetle from Crisis with other Booster Gold (just need a modern age Booster now ;)).

I also like Minions too.

Maybe a "Sidekick" power where the respective sidekick gets a bonus if their named mentor is on the field, adjacent/within X squares. They get +1 to a combat stat, an extra target (thinking Green Arrow/Speedy on that one), or even a free attack if thier mentor hits. Could even just add it as a symbol on the dial like the traits (chain links like on the Pirates cards) with name of the mentor and what bonus they get.

I like when new mechanics come to the game, they do add new strategy and tactic options, but it loses some of it's appeal when it's over used. B&B kind of over used it, but it was starting to happen before that.

Sitting here thinking about the Wolverine/Colossus duo that had been seen for the GSX got me thinking about this.

[Samaael]

The MM/O figure from Brave and the Bold is a very useful figure. If most of the Brave and the Bold duos were on single bases i might have liked them that much better. Shazam and Black Adam as 2 single figures would have been much better though. I REALLY like the linked figures, minion powers are great! makes getting 10 of the common generics when you buy a case useful :)

[Xuco]

But I love both kinds of figures!

[Sharkbite]

Linked figures. I love Shimmer/Mammoth in Crisis. I love the Bwa-Ha-Ha of Booster/Beetle. I love DC75 Batman teleporting Robins around.

I don't have a problem with duos not being able to separate, but since the new push seems towards duos having lazy, non-interactive sculpts that then require peanut bases, I say just go back to singles and link 'em.

[The Hultquist]

Who in Marvel would the sidekick idea work for?

Human Torch & Toro (How to signify it's that HT though?)

You could make the requirment [NAME] and [KEYWORD] - "if you control a character named "Human Torch" which possesses the "robot" keyword..." or something like that.

For the current Jim Hammond Torch, 'robot' and 'Invaders' are good candidates - any future version of that Torch would probably have those keywords, and the Johnny Storm Torch wouldn't. The keyword I thought would be the best choice, 'past,' is surprisingly one that Hammond doesn't have (although I'd argue he should).

Oh, and I'd add Hammer and Anvil to the Marvel list of appropriate duos, too.

[SevenBlueSeven]

I like Duo and Linked figures.

I want more of both.

I just don't want any more GORRAM peanut based Duos!!!

[Surfer13]

Why not both?

You have a choice for more of one, more of the other, and neither of the above, but not a both.

A duo is fine. I do not want them to over do it (BatB was overdoing it), but if they did one or two duos a set, every set, I would have no problem with it.

There are very few duos that should only have a duo figure. Batman and Robin are a natural duo but they are also individual characters and should be (and have been) presented in the game as such.

Fenris (the twins, not the wolf), the Blood Brothers, and Hammer and Anvil are all cases where they could make them as a duo only and it would be okay. Devil Dinosaur and Moon Boy and the Wonder Twins are examples of others that are fine now. No need for singles of those characters.

[Dane77]

i think even though i hate spiderman marvel could dou him with almost every major character nd be comic accurate and game applicable, same as wolverine but his team-ups are cool.

[Dane77]

wolverine even teamed up with batman in the marvel dc crossover

[joshz9]

Duo figures usually cost way more than linked figures point wise and i hate using them because i usually dont play high point games, also I feel you can capture the essence of the character a lot better on a single dial than if you have to share it. Plus if they were linked id end up trading more and buying more so that i can get both

all around i think linked figures are far better than duo figures

[super57]

For them most part, I do not like duo figures. I think they scew the game. After seeing how bad the sculpts were on some from Brave and Bold, I would not want to see anymore. I would not mind just a few where there was a sidekick as long as the sculpts were handscultped and detailed and slightly larger than say Superman/Flash. The Iron Man/War Machine was a good idea, and I think a Captain America and Falcon duo would be OK, but I think that is about it for me.

[Glen Quagmire]

Also worth mention: The Grayson-Batman from DC75, and his duo-esque ability to move Robin around with him.

Yeah, I like this one too, although without any range cap, it doesn't necessarily represent the two of them actually working together. Technically, Robin could be at the opposite ends of the map from Batman and move the two spaces. Hopefully more linked figures have a range of some sort tied to their abilities.

[Dane77]

I agree on both counts accept that I collect the figs and having a few classic team-ups for show is great

[fastcat99]

I'd like to see some that could function as a duo fig when linked! For example: If you have Batman/Robin side by side, I'd like to see them be able to:
1)Have the duo attack ability
2)Use the larger damage value but use individual attack values (atk 1-use Batman's attack of 11, damage of 3. For the second attack, use Robin's 9 and a damage of 2 (the duo atk modifier.)
3) Use the TA of the higher-costed character.

[dariusq]

Duos have their place but should be used more sparingly. I like linked figs a lot more but feel they shouldn't become the norm for the game. The exception to that would be Minions who should all have a link to someone or something (ie. keyworded, object, ect.).

[The7ofDiamonds]

I think that some of the duos in BaTB worked well, were comic accurate, and did what they were supposed to. What I would like to see is something similar, but have them be more affordable so they could fit on a bigger variety of teams. To date, my favorite duo is still Cloak and Dagger (plus, how could you not love that sculpt).

[Puuka]

I think that some of the duos in BaTB worked well, were comic accurate, and did what they were supposed to. What I would like to see is something similar, but have them be more affordable so they could fit on a bigger variety of teams. To date, my favorite duo is still Cloak and Dagger (plus, how could you not love that sculpt).
I forgot about C&D. They too are deserving of a duo sculpt. I just think there are some that have been done as duos that didn't need to be.

[Miraclo]

More linked figures. We want better versions of the characters, of course, and one of the next steps towards that is to give certain ones bonuses for working with key teammates. That would be far superior to trying to work them both into one dial where they present a single target.

If a character should have the power of independent movement then he should have his own base. I would like to see Duos restricted to use on characters that are physically linked or generally unable to operate more than a short distance from each other.

I know they can (because they have) create Duos that are very powerful, but I simply don't care. Separate characters should be on separate bases. I could see bending the rule when it comes to someone who has an animal sidekick, such as the Falcon and Redwing.

The vast majority of figures that have been done as Duos should never have been handled that way.

[2Face]

Why not both?

You have a choice for more of one, more of the other, and neither of the above, but not a both.

A duo is fine. I do not want them to over do it (BatB was overdoing it), but if they did one or two duos a set, every set, I would have no problem with it.

There are very few duos that should only have a duo figure. Batman and Robin are a natural duo but they are also individual characters and should be (and have been) presented in the game as such.

Fenris (the twins, not the wolf), the Blood Brothers, and Hammer and Anvil are all cases where they could make them as a duo only and it would be okay. Devil Dinosaur and Moon Boy and the Wonder Twins are examples of others that are fine now. No need for singles of those characters.
Agreed. I really like both, as appropriate. I even liked the duos in BatB. We have lots of versions of most of the duos in BatB, so having duos adds some variety. Other characters that are unlikely to be remade (like Shimmer and Mammoth) are probably better as linked characters. It really just depends on the situation.

[super57]

I agree on both counts accept that I collect the figs and having a few classic team-ups for show is great

Yes, I can see how peole could want some, but the detail and size of the sculpts would have to be better than Brave & Bold, and more like the BIBTB Figures, such as World's Finest and Batman and Catwoman, otherwise to me it is not that collectible. Many duos in Brave Bold did not have that kind of detail or size, and looked like a little kids toy or something that came out of a bubble gum machine. I do not have any urge to look at them, since they are so bad.

[super57]

I feel in love with the game and became more interested in the collectibility of the figures, when they started making more detailed and better painted hand scupts, and in many cases a sligthly larger sized figure, starting with the Avengers Set, and the added Character Card to go with them. Although some of the pre-carded sculpts were also nice, particularly some of the Uniques and LE's,they did not seem to be as detailed or painted as nicely. Therefore, I would only want to see duos that have the same level of detail and artistic excellence as World's Finest and Batman and Catwoman and Thor & Loki;and Batman and Robin, which I think is the optimum size for all duo figures, and non-duo figures, if not the size of figures in Arkham Asylum and HOT, although the Grey Hulk from the Avengers Set was a perfect size from a scale standpoint.

[Superfly]

I also like that the answers are questions.

I actually hate that the answers are questions. Very poor wording, because each answer branches into two options - Yes or No - so if you pick one you're essentially voting both yes and no. Unless you comment with a clarifying answer, here, who knows what you are actually voting for. The poll is asking too many questions and doesn't have definitive answers for selection.

Regarding duos, I personally only want to see duo figures that make perfect sense, such as Hammer and Anvil, Fenris Twins, Mas/Menos, Blood Brothers, Left- and Right-Winger, Brothers Grimm, Batman and Robin. These characters are together much of the time and have similar powers/abilities so representing them accurately isn't an issue. When characters with greatly different skill sets are put on the same base, accurately representing their combined powers on one dial is nearly impossible. Putting them on a peanut-shaped base makes them too large a target and less playable.

Characters with powers that are activated by proximity to their allies is a much better way to get people to use them together on a regular basis. The minion power is a great addition to the game and seems to get plenty of use. I hope we continue to get many more minions in future sets, as it ensures these common characters are worth pulling for players and sellers, alike.

[Thunderclese]

I'm okay with an occasional duo that makes sense. Blue Beetle & Booster Gold make sense as an actual 'famous' duo, Batman/GA do not.

Having said that, I prefer the 'linked' figures, and would be more likely to play those types than duos.

[Dane77]

I would just like dous that are famous covers like us agent and cap spiderman punisher wolverine/hulk all on single base dials

[Nickoli]

Why is there no option to vote for more duos AND more linked figures?

[PsychoHippie]

Why is there no option to vote for more duos AND more linked figures?

To keep people like me from voting, I guess.

[brevard321]

More duo figures, please!

It's one really good way to get remakes of iconic characters, and take up half the slots they normally would.

I know I would sure love to get a Captain America/Iron Man duo, or a Spider-Man Human Torch duo.

Because in reality, at this time, we don't need a Human Torch or Spider-Man solo remake.

Of course, I still need a classic red-suit Spider-Man with the Avengers TA, but that is a separate issue!

Also, even though not all duos have looked cool and had a really good power set, they all have potential.

Imagine the sculpt and power possibilities of a Dr. Strange/Hulk duo figure.

Phasing, Charge, Super Strength, Outwit, Perplex, Flurry, Leap/Climb, Quake, Close Combat Expert, Psychic Blast, Impervious, etc., etc.

I'm saying a 299 point Dr. Strange/Hulk duo figure would make 299 point Ganthet look silly! :)

[Azriel Stern]

Hey, since we all love print and play and such:

What about having something like a feat that is card-based for duos/links? Say that figures only named "Wolverine" and "Colossus" can be assigned this "Duo Feat Thing" and then have a point cost that each figure has to pay. That way you can have Wolverine be all Wolveriney and Colossus be, you know, the best character in Marvel still without having to waste a power on the dials that can only be used in conjunction with another figure.

This was also partially my idea with ATA's: having a roster on the ATA card for qualifying characters.

[archmage78]

I completely agree with doing away with duos for the most part. They are over used and don't accurately represent how teammates work together. Batman doesn't sit 1 square away from Robin, they fight together, if batman is over fighting someone, Robin may be across the room fighting someone else.

I think that the sidekick power is interesting and deserves a closer look. However, not all duos are sidekicks. Also, modern comics have mostly done away with true sidekicks.

It is much more interesting to make two or even three figures that are designed to work together. Say the warriors 3, or booster gold and blue beetle. I think that a great untaped Superman and Batman figure are ones that are designed to play together. Think how many spider allies could be designed to play with a Spiderman. Off the top of my head, a Spiderman and Human Torch would be awesome. The earliest form of a power like this would be the in contact with oracle feat card with oracle on it. She provides support and it is almost a perfect representation of how she acts in the comics.
The great weakness of the flash and Green Lantern duo is they work together by doing different things, Flash runs around and Green Lantern provides cover fire. The Duos just don't work.

[flatmatt]

I think the current level of each of these types of figures has reached a good point. One or two duos a set and figures with "linked" powers when appropriate.

[Cyaegha]

Last option, mostly because there's not a 'both' option.

I like duos but don't want to see more than 3 made by release (too much Duos kills Duos), and Duos on double base should be made ONLY if it's logical/comic accurate (i.e. Devil Dino or Supe+Flash : having GA+Batman, BB+BG or MM+Oberon on a double base is...weird and definitively not comic-accurate). And some Duos should be made (damn you Wizkids for having done a Bat/Green Arrow instead of a Black Canary/Green arrow).

I like linked figure, but it would be better if the linked figures were made in the same release. I didn't have a Robin and I'm now forced to search for one to use with my Bat-Grayson...pretty stupid I think. Linked figure are great the way they are, don't see the point in creating a mechanism especially for it.

If there was, say...2 duos and 1 set of 2 linked figures in every set, that would be perfectly fine by me. 4 figures out of 60 wouldn't create a problem for non-fans.

[Puuka]

Last option, mostly because there's not a 'both' option.

I like duos but don't want to see more than 3 made by release (too much Duos kills Duos), and Duos on double base should be made ONLY if it's logical/comic accurate (i.e. Devil Dino or Supe+Flash : having GA+Batman, BB+BG or MM+Oberon on a double base is...weird and definitively not comic-accurate). And some Duos should be made (damn you Wizkids for having done a Bat/Green Arrow instead of a Black Canary/Green arrow).

I like linked figure, but it would be better if the linked figures were made in the same release. I didn't have a Robin and I'm now forced to search for one to use with my Bat-Grayson...pretty stupid I think. Linked figure are great the way they are, don't see the point in creating a mechanism especially for it.

If there was, say...2 duos and 1 set of 2 linked figures in every set, that would be perfectly fine by me. 4 figures out of 60 wouldn't create a problem for non-fans.

Not saying they need to make a special mechanic for it either, I'm just wishing they would do it more instead of making them in to a duo fig.

As for the new mechanic, it's was more just extending the Sidekick idea from the minion mechanic.

[MacGyver2506]

As long as they do a good job on the mechanic/figures, they can do whatever.

[Miraclo]

Re: a linked figure dynamic:
Human Torch & Toro (How to signify it's that HT though?)
I was going to just suggest "...and share a keyword" but that would mean the "Teen' keyword would open things up for the Fantastic Forces Torch. Maybe just "...and has the Invaders keyword" would be best. Sure, there's the All-Winners Squad, too, but we'd only need the one, working reference.

[anonym0use]

I want both. I like duos, and I like linked figures.