Can this team be beat? If so, how?

[KaiserSelroc]

11 rookie Harley Quinns 297 points

All that perplex...its cheese, but how do you beat a team were any one Harley can do up to 13 damage, 19 move, 19 attack or have 15 range? Anyone you bring near them will get blasted off the map.

[Ro-gan]

Can anyone say EE?

[KaiserSelroc]

"Can anyone say EE?"

How do you get your character close enough to use it? You'd need a taxi and a guy with running shot, EE and pretty good range.

And what if they're not in base contact? You only need line of sight to use perplex, not base contact.

[lavinah]

Hrm...since perplex only works on your turn, there's a few things that'd mess it up.

1. Energy explosion

2. Stealth

So figures like Gambit would be murder for you.

Plus, it is *MEGA* cheese.

-lavinah

[Noman]

Say "No dupes except generics" repeatedly, untill they listen !!!


LoL

All the Best

Noman

[Liquid Havok]

I agree lol!

[PaxZRake]

You could use my favorite 300 point team of all time:

U Flash
U Nightcrawler
V Flash

It's fun!

[CoachCraig]

If you are mixing marvel and dc to beat this team.

1 vet steel.
1 exp ultron.

the rest doesn't matter.

Steel has 12 moves and taxi's ultron with his 10 range in thats a range of 22. I don't remember if harley has perplex for one or two clix. But guess what ultron has 3 bolts so I hit the first three is see and your day is ruined.

You can throw in a witch or black cat just to make sure i don't critical miss.

[fridayweb]

I taxi V-Bullseye (in mixed) so he's ten away and blast one of your Harleys for 3. That leaves you with 10 Harleys with Perplex.

6 Perplexes take 1 Harley's Range up to 10. That leaves 4. You could Perplex 10-Range Harley's Damage up to 5... with an 8 Attack. You have to roll a 10 to hit.

So you split it, up her Attack to 10 and Damage to 3. Congratulations, for 297 Points you have just made... E-Bullseye. And you still have to roll an 8 to hit V-Bullseye for 3.

Also, bear in mind that you have to have LOS for Perplex. So you have to move all your Harleys so they can see the one UberHarley. This is a ridiculous team that can be defeated by just about anyone.

It's not cheese, but it does stink.

[rickisadork]

i could jump up on the table and stomp on the harleys.. i don't think they could perplex their way out of that. oh, then i'd take you to the desert and bury you in a shallow grave for brining cheese to a tourney.



-R:rolleyes:

[dernjg]

Pulse wave is WAY too effective for a Harley Team, they loose perplex after one shot. Other options include teams of E. Batman, V. Nightwing, V. Robin, U. Catwoman... ect., using the old adage of you can't hit what you can't see.

[D.E.Kesler]

Originally posted by KaiserSelroc
11 rookie Harley Quinns 297 points

All that perplex...its cheese, but how do you beat a team were any one Harley can do up to 13 damage, 19 move, 19 attack or have 15 range? Anyone you bring near them will get blasted off the map.

Hello There,

Personally, I think this would be a fairly easy team to defeat. First of all, even with a range of 15, the uber Harley would require a clear line of fire. Careful positioning of figures would allow one to hide behind some blocking terrain. This would force Harley to move towards the opposing team. Without any taxis, the uber-perplexed Harley could not attack after moving where a line of fire was available.

However, I don't like turtles. So, I would attack. Perplex does not do anything to improve ones defense. A fifteen is not that hard to hit and all it takes is one click of damage to remove that annoying perplex. Since all of these Harley figures will be in very close proximity to one another at the start of the game, this looks like a job for . . . T.O. Morrow. Just taxi this figure within in range and let him cause chaos.

Some of you may be wondering why all the Harleys will all be so close to one another at the start of the game? Well, there is just not that much room in the starting position. With only three moves per turn and no taxis or leadership, the Harley squad will be moving very, very slow. Plenty of time for you to get T.O. Morrow in position to deliver some explosive action.

Hmmm. Turtles and slow movement. That makes me think of another ideal figure for coping with this team. The Turtle was a silver age villian of the Flash. He looked rather boring in his green turtle neck sweater, but he did seem to have either Outwit or Probability Control. Don't count on seeing a figure of this character ever being made. But I digress.

The Flash would give the Harley army fits. It could zip out of blocking terrain, smack a Harley for one click of damage, then zip back into blocking terrain. One click of damage is all it would take to remove the perplex.

So far, I have avoided mentioning the obvious solution. Two words - Batman Team. As everyone knows, you can't hit what you can't see. Also, you can't move and attack in the same turn without a taxi. A team comprised of just a Rookie Robin and a Rookie Huntress would eliminate this team in no time. Of course, with three hundred points you could field the entire Bat Family, but that would be overkill.

I will say that it is an interesting concept. One could dedicate half of their three hundred points towards rookie Harleys, then spend the other one hundred and fifty points on a reliable taxi and a hard hittting brick. One might have enough points for either a medic or a decent sniper like Robin. Actually, you could work in both. Now, that would be a pain in the butt team.

R Hawkman 32 points
V Bane 85 points
V Robin 22 points
V Checkmate Medic 19 points
R Harley Quinn X 5 135 points

This would leave seven points left over so that you could tailor the team to suit your tastes.

Regards and Best Wishes,

Donald Eric Kesler

[greg_wolf]

can u really stack on perplex? i thought u can't use multiple perplex. like if u had 3 people on ur team i don't think u can use all three of them to stack on damage? can we get a judge to confirm that.

[spartan89]

I really like the quote greg...lol:D

[tundramonkey]

Per the DC FAQ, perplex can be stacked. If you check out the DC FAQ it is under the Perplex heading.

[BudPalmer]

How about an Exp Ultron, and a bunch of guys with the Batman Team Ability. They can't see Ultron in hindering and he can do a whole lotta hurt. Another point I should make here is how unlikely you could get all the Quinn's with line of sight on each other especially with not having them in base contact with eachother. Enter energy explosion. That team is very beatable but it could be good for a larff. Some people wouldn't know what to make of it. Stealthy peeps would be your undoing though.

[Danny Boi]

V-Bullseye with his 10 range is one of the best ranged characters and can do a lot of damage

[Random]

hey, I'd be willing to take any ONE of dozens of 300 point armies up against it. anytime.

[malchyor]

yeah, the scope of it is to take each harly down just one click. that's it. so any well balanced army should be able to take it out. now, don't get me wrong. when the hooker armies start up, that'll change most people's staple army configurations (11pt. hookers compared to 27pt harly's).

the largest drawbacks on this army are, as said earlier, lack of mobility and the inability to deal with stealth.

not a tough one to beat...yeah, i've seen it before.