most powerful

[Devlin_69]

ok well i really dun read that many DC comics so if anyone could answer me this...who is the most powerful superhero(good guy) in dc comics?

[Psylockeslover]

ummmmm........Superman..........

[Fogs]

Actually, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say, uhhhh... Superman.

[weezer_10]

Wow... I know some people who aren't even in to the whole comic/heroclix thing who already know that Superman is the most powerful character.

They just assume that Superman would be the best, and they'd be assuming correctly.

Go Supes! We love you Big Blue! :D

[FanBoy13]

The Spectre

[Clark-br]

Since the Spectre are not exactly a "good guy" (the Spirit of Vengeance " thing and all) I would say Superman.

[sluggo]

Robin is the most powerful

[napa]

Alfred shall lay the smack down on all of those wannabes.

[Jervis_Tetch]

I dunno ppl, I'm gonna have to go with Guy Gardner :D .....Superman coming in at a close 2nd

[FanBoy13]

Please, the Spectre is a good guy. Anyone who reads the comics knows this. He has a different approach, different motivation and different priorities than say, Superman, but you know what? So does Batman. That doesn't make him any less a good guy. Anyone who thinks the Spectre is not a good guy is simply not very well acquainted with the Spectre.

So yeah, the answer is still the Spectre.

[PantherShade]

The Specter is the most powerful in terms of raw power.

In terms of who would win a fight, still the Specter, but Batman would (and did) beat Superman in a fight, even though Superman has more raw power.

Each Green Lantern's power is limited by his/her/its willpower. Batman beat up Guy and could have taken his ring.

Batman with a power ring is second. Specter still takes the cake, and eats it too...

[sacredscribe]

Although not within the current DC continuity, Dr.Manhattan was powerful beyond powerful and counts as a good guy. I don't know that he'd win in a toe-to-toe battle with Superman but powerwise Dr.Manhattan's able to do more things than Supes can.

:)

I wish there were a way to put a drop of blood on this smiley face.

[Terman8er]

blah blah blah...

TAKION!!!!

Y'all better RECOGNIZE!!!!

Ahem...

[Bryan Curry]

I'd have to say Batman is the most powerful. Ra's al Ghul stole the caped crusaders contingency plans to defeat the JLA...and defeated them. It was Batmans genius that devised those plans and Batman certainly has the money and rescources to effectively carry them out. In this case, I think it's been proven that one man could take out Earth's most powerful superteam. Besides when was the last time Batman EVER lost a fight against the Man of Steel?! Batman rules!

[gladiator1518]

Originally posted by Bryan Curry
I'd have to say Batman is the most powerful. Ra's al Ghul stole the caped crusaders contingency plans to defeat the JLA...and defeated them. It was Batmans genius that devised those plans and Batman certainly has the money and rescources to effectively carry them out. In this case, I think it's been proven that one man could take out Earth's most powerful superteam. Besides when was the last time Batman EVER lost a fight against the Man of Steel?! Batman rules! The only reason Batman rules is because he is more popular than Superman nowadays.And the writers want to keep the readers happy.Otherwise,the so called Dark Knight ain't ####!Wonderwoman,Aquaman,any of Green Lanterns,Captain Marvel,and probably half of DC universe could kick Batman's ### in real life.The thing about Superman is everyone thinks just because he's super powerful that he doesn't have a brain in his head!Most people don't realize he's almost just as smart as he is strong!Even much,much smarter than Batman.The only exception has to do with detective work.Batman is a much better detective than Supes,but that is all.Overall,Superman is stronger,faster,tougher,AND smarter!Period.But,like I said,they've got to keep the readers happy. P.S. Of course, I was being sarcastic about that remark about Supe's brain,just to make a point.Obviously,no one thinks that Supes doesn't have a brain.They just don't think he's smarter than the average human.

[four_winds]

Hal Jordan.

[uroboros]

I'm positive Superman could beat Bats in a fight, why a comic would ever feel the need to prove that is another story altoghether. If Superman was to beat Batman it wouldn't be any big deal really. The guy can catch a train. Whereas if Batman finds a way to knock supes around a bit that's pretty extraordinary.

The idea that superman is smarter than Batman is completely ridiculous. Please think before you speak.

[Zekeup32]

How could anyone say Superman is. He is powerful forsure, but his weakness overpowers his strengths. Any human could take Superman down, all with a tiny piece of rock. That makes Superman look pretty bad when hes gettin beat up by normal human.

I would have to say Batman. He, with his intelect and wealth could devise a plan to take down just about anyone.

[Jadehorde]

Originally posted by uroboros
I'm positive Superman could beat Bats in a fight, why a comic would ever feel the need to prove that is another story altoghether. If Superman was to beat Batman it wouldn't be any big deal really. The guy can catch a train. Whereas if Batman finds a way to knock supes around a bit that's pretty extraordinary.

The idea that superman is smarter than Batman is completely ridiculous. Please think before you speak.

Actually it's been historically a part of his subset that he is farily intelligent, downright brilliant (his father was the leading scientist of Krypton...a planet that rates even among the Colu)...he's written like a complete moron at times in regards to his powers...but honestly so are most heroes that have any real power...though his JLA allies suffer it the most when they are around him...

I'd say Batman is more devious...we can't really compare learning speed since Supes can cheat with superspeed...but overall about the same maybe an edge to Bats in the intelligence bracket.

[gladiator1518]

Originally posted by uroboros
I'm positive Superman could beat Bats in a fight, why a comic would ever feel the need to prove that is another story altoghether. If Superman was to beat Batman it wouldn't be any big deal really. The guy can catch a train. Whereas if Batman finds a way to knock supes around a bit that's pretty extraordinary.

The idea that superman is smarter than Batman is completely ridiculous. Please think before you speak. Don't you mean write or type?Batman fan.I am not going to argue with you all day long.Because,I know for a fact that's how long it would last.And neither of us would be convinced of the other's opinion.I have already experienced this on the Marvel forum concerning Spider-man v.s. Wolverine.So you don't think that the rays of the yellow sun affect his mind like they do his body.So what?That's your opinion.And I have mine.

[gladiator1518]

Originally posted by Zekeup32
How could anyone say Superman is. He is powerful forsure, but his weakness overpowers his strengths. Any human could take Superman down, all with a tiny piece of rock. That makes Superman look pretty bad when hes gettin beat up by normal human.

I would have to say Batman. He, with his intelect and wealth could devise a plan to take down just about anyone. His weaknesses overpower his strengths?As for as I know the only weaknesses he has are kryptonite and magic.How many weaknesses does the HUMAN Batman have?Let's see there's bullets,fire,drowning,all kinds of sharp objects,falling,suffocation,etc.,etc.,etc.,etc.,etc.etc.,etc.,etc.,.In other words,just about as many weaknesses that an ordinary human would have.That goes for just about any hero or villain.I'm tired of people saying all you need is kryptonite to beat Superman.Don't you think that if Superman had half a brain he would stay away from someone who has kryptonite and attack from a distance.With heat vision,super breath.throwing objects as large and as heavy as Statue of Liberty?But no,the writer's make him seem dumb by doing stupid things like,for example,charging at Batman who happens to have a little lead box that Supes can't see through and yet he continues to come at Batman(talk about stupid)when if the writers portrayed Superman like they are supposed to as a very intelligent individual then he would stay back.I don't know anything about the Spectre,so my vote would be for Superman.But Guy Gardner?:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Wasteland]

The only problem I have about Batman is that he is over written. He is a normal person. Brilliant businessman, and intelligent detective. He can find #### about anything. Except finding stuff out and doing it are two totally different things, yet writers seem content with the fact that because Batman can find it out, he must be able to do it. Or else that in some point in his past, he learned it from a master.

A ninja has come into town and is causing chaos. No problem. Batman in his past of learning how to come back and take revenge on his father trained with ninjas and knows all their tricks and can do them. A magician has come and is stumping everyone with his houdini like powers that are theiving everything in sight. No problem. Batman also trained with a master magician and knows the answer to every trick. A chemical scientist has created a new kind of gas that is going to wipe out all of Gotham city unless he gets paid X amount of dollars. No problem. Batman has studied chemistry and has already created said agent and also a cure. A master clown has come into town and is beating up everyone with his clown-style kung-fu. No problem. Batman trained with the clown-fu masters years ago and knows all the moves.

That's the problem with Batman. He is a normal human, yet somehow in his twenty odd years of learning he has somehow learned everything and trained with everybody to become a master of everything. How does one become a master? Pretty much practice most of their lives at their chosen trade and still they may not become a master. Yet, Batman has done it for everything in twenty some. Over-written, and over-rated. If Superman wanted to kill Batman, he could. The fact that they wrote a stroy where Batman defeated him was poorly conceived and written. A terrible story.

Superman is much more intelligent than Batman. It has been shown numerous times in comics where he has built something, theorized something, etc. etc. that is far above what Batman could ever know. Oh, wait. I forgot. Batman has already studied that at the Tibetan School for the Gifted for a couple of years before moving on.

Superman is the most powerful character in the DC universe simply on strength of character. The fact that he has grown up as he did, turning out better than us normal humans will ever be, without being human and accepted as human. He accepted our ideals, our standards and exceeded at them, something that he had to do with his heart and soul, not with his powers.

Wasteland

[Shibitz54321]

I'd have to go with hal jordan, i'm not much of a dc guy but i do commonly read the gl flash and occasionalty supes. but what i'm sayin is he can do almost anythingwith that ring of his, supes is just real strong, involnerable, can fly, heat vision, and ice breath. so lets hit em off one by one... supes strength can be beaten because gl can always make whatever he wants, throw it harder and farther. the involneraability can be beaten by a barrier, the only bad part is a sneak attack, but i'd still have to go with gl. flight, well, again, i dont read much dc so i couldn't tell whose better at flying. heat, well, i gues supes got him there, but gl can stil defend against it. ice breath though id have to go with gl cause he can make thows nifty bubbles for the paralysism, but gl is the best, then supes, then flash, batman, then wonder woman or somethin. and if any one wants to know marvel best, its deffinately DR.DOOM!!!

[webhead817]

Spectre is pretty powerful, but he's more of a cosmis entity than a traditional superhero. I think you have to go with Big Blue (Superman) in DC.

Or as Batman say, "he's the best he is as what he does, not at what I do."

[HulkIOA06]

kyle rayner is more powerful than hal jordan...:rolleyes:

[Kudger]

The way the writers portray superman or batman is how they really are. You can have your own imagination of how smart superman is supposed to be, but that is just your opinion. Because alot of people does mean they make batman do better things, but he still does them. As for superman's wekaness, kryptonite is a huge weakness. Batman is weak to bullets but that doesn't mean that if someone holds a gone he starts to die. If you have kryptonite all you need to do is get near superman. The thing with supes is that he is smart, but with all those powers, the tends to act before he thinks.

[HulkIOA06]

Originally posted by Kudger
Batman is weak to bullets but that doesn't mean that if someone holds a gone he starts to die.

excuse me? what is a gone? :surprised

[Zekeup32]

Batman does have alot of weaknesses, but he has found out a way to overcome them. If someone is shooting a flame thrower at him, he uses his flameratardant cape to caver himself up. If someone is shooting a gun at him, he tosses a batarang at them and knocks the gun away. If he is falling off of a really tall building he uses his grappling hook to break his fall. What I'm trying to get at is that batman has a way of overcoming his weaknesses, Superman does not.

As for what Wasteland said, that is completely true. But then that might be Batmans super power. He learns fast. What might take a normal human years to master, Bruce learns it in a year.

[]V[GoldEagle]

Originally posted by Wasteland
Batman in his past of learning how to come back and take revenge on his father trained with ninjas and knows all their tricks and can do them.

Uhhh...not to nitpick, but why do you think that Batman trained to take revenge on his Father?? Both his Mother and Father were gunned down in front of him as a child, so he vowed to "avenge" their deaths, by trying to clean the crime off the streets of Gotham.

The debate about who is smarter could go on and on forever. The best way to look at it, is this. Batman and Superman are both highly intelligent people, BUT, Batman has taken time to learn things from many different areas. Through intense study, Batman has not exactly "mastered" everything, but he is very high in the ranks. He also trains frequently, and is a highly analytical person, who uses all he knows to come to a conclusion. He's supposed to represent the "everyman hero". Basically anyone with alot of money could be Batman, if they wanted to be.

If you want to go on powers alone as to who is the strongest...well, I'd have to say Plastic Man. Able to mimic shapes, and just recently found out that he's immortal. I'd have to say that makes him pretty much the most powerful of the group, since the rest are pretty much all mortal.

My .02 cents worth, Canadian

[weezer_10]

Plastic Man is immortal? Woah; that completely changes the way I look at him now as a heroclix figure. :p

[gladiator1518]

Originally posted by Zekeup32
Batman does have alot of weaknesses, but he has found out a way to overcome them. If someone is shooting a flame thrower at him, he uses his flameratardant cape to caver himself up. If someone is shooting a gun at him, he tosses a batarang at them and knocks the gun away. If he is falling off of a really tall building he uses his grappling hook to break his fall. What I'm trying to get at is that batman has a way of overcoming his weaknesses, Superman does not.

As for what Wasteland said, that is completely true. But then that might be Batmans super power. He learns fast. What might take a normal human years to master, Bruce learns it in a year. Like I said Supes just stays at a distance when facing someone with kryptonite if the writers portray him as they're supposed to.I don't know what you think about that Zekeup,but to me that seems like a pretty easy way to overcome his sole(except for magic)weakness.Much easier than Batman can overcame his many weakness.

[gladiator1518]

Originally posted by Kudger
The way the writers portray superman or batman is how they really are. You can have your own imagination of how smart superman is supposed to be, but that is just your opinion. Because alot of people does mean they make batman do better things, but he still does them. As for superman's wekaness, kryptonite is a huge weakness. Batman is weak to bullets but that doesn't mean that if someone holds a gone he starts to die. If you have kryptonite all you need to do is get near superman. The thing with supes is that he is smart, but with all those powers, the tends to act before he thinks. A huge weakness?It's not like you can go into a drug store or any other kind of store and buy kryptonite.It is kinda scarce.Guns, bullets,and knives on the other hand...

[Hadez]

I personally love Batman, and I want to say something Grant Morrison said:

" Batman ALWAYS wins soimply because Batman Cheats!"

This is true. I don not want to start a "WHY THE HELL ARE YOU CALLING BATMAN A CHEATER" chain reaction, but His power is being Smart. Very Very Smart. That leads to figuring out how to defeat every man or woman in the planet, using vary complex methods and artifacts combined with his outwit (Just to post Something Herolcix-like)

Bottom line: Batman is a cheater (In a Very Good way!)
;)

[WingHead]

My vote is for Captain Marvel.

[gladiator1518]

Originally posted by WingHead
My vote is for Captain Marvel. I think Captain Marvel is awesome!During the Eclipso mini-series when Eclipso took control of Superman's body and all the major heroes tried to stop him Captain Marvel went toe to toe with Supes better than anyone else I had seen up to that point.I think SHAZAM is most certainly underrated.But I still vote for Superman.

[weezer_10]

Shazam is old-school, not as old as Superman but in the way like, "What has he done lately?" Shazam is still cool and he'd make a great Heroclix figure, but he hasn't got the same draw-power as Superman.

I've seen a couple of bouts where Shazam has bested Superman in a hand-to-hand fight, but that was more a decision made by the writer.

I still reckon Superman is the most powerful super-hero around.

And so what if Batman can get a hold on some kryptonite, what's stopping Superman from wearing that protective suit he owns? I know the suit was melted dy the Joker's acid in the 'World's Finest' movie, but Superman would be more wary of things like that now. Anyway, could Batman possibly outthink someone charging in at them at hypersonic speed?

I love Batman just as much as Big Blue, but in my books, Superman is the apex of all power.

[Wasteland]

Goldeagle
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Uhhh...not to nitpick, but why do you think that Batman trained to take revenge on his Father?? Both his Mother and Father were gunned down in front of him as a child, so he vowed to "avenge" their deaths, by trying to clean the crime off the streets of Gotham.
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Yes, that's true. Maybe he does learn faster, but fast enough to master, or nearly master everything? I don't think so. And Supes had an emotional childhood too. Having to deal with the fact that he is the only living Kryptonian. The fact that his mother, father and every one of his race do not exist anymore...that is less than Batman's problems? The fact that he has had to learn and embrace a society that is alien to his own? What I'm saying is that Batman is said to be a normal person...that he doesn't have a superpower. He's not faster, smarter, stronger than the average person. Just that he has learned to deal with it in his own way. But having him "know" everything to a degree lessens him in my eyes. The writers don't even give it a valid reason from my standpoint. Simply the fact that he "looked it up" or studied it during his training. As far as I know, a normal person can't master a subject in 20 years, let alone most of them. It just doesn't work that way.

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BUT, Batman has taken time to learn things from many different areas. Through intense study, Batman has not exactly "mastered" everything, but he is very high in the ranks. He also trains frequently, and is a highly analytical person, who uses all he knows to come to a conclusion. He's supposed to represent the "everyman hero". Basically anyone with alot of money could be Batman, if they wanted to be.
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Thus, he knows alot about things, but not everything about everything. Something like, "I know something about biology, I should be able to operate on this gunshot wound" sort of thing? That's what I don't like about Batman. That's the way he's written.

Wasteland

[]V[GoldEagle]

Wasteland,

Valid points, and I do see your side of things. Yes, alot of the writers were doing Batman like he was the be-all-end-all of the super hero ranks.

The main appeal about Batman, in my mind, is this. Like I said, he's an everyman's hero, meaning he could be anyone. Yes, the fact that they seem to make him an expert in everything all the time is a bit annoying. If I had tried to cram that much knowledge into my head, I'm sure it would have exploded by now lol.

I've followed Batman for alot of years, from just after they killed Jason Todd (awesome storyline, from the TPB), and just recently got into Superman. I really do think that the writers on Superman don't give him a fair shake. They do tend to make him out to be a country bumpkin, and always battling with his inner demons, plus his opponents. That I think is his main weakness...he is always so caught up in "What if I do this?? What will happen?" that he isn't used to his full potential. Although, it's also what makes him the super hero that all others are patterned after.

To make this rant seem shorter (I hope), I'm just going to say that Batman & Superman are both sides of the same coin. They both have their faults, and they both have their parts that make them great. That is probably the main reason that the two of them have worked together so often, and so well. Where Clark is the soul and muscle, and Bruce is the brains, and strategy.

Just my .02 worth, Canadian of course :)

[talking_cat]

Superman vs Batman.

In a knock down, drag out, fight to the DEATH, there is only one winner.

Assuming that both Supes and Bats are aware of the fight (ie, both decide to kill the other) then there can be only one. (to steal a line)

And thats Supes. Hands down, no questions asked.

Superman can fly into space, scan the planet for Bats, or heck, blow the ####ed thing up if he choses, and fry him with his heat vision.

Or throw something at him.

Or swoop down at his fastest speed and kill him.

Or have Lois seduce Bats and then kill him...

Er, ok maybe not that one, but see, Superman is leagues away from Batman in terms of power.

Yes, Batman, in a "Pretend" fight, where no one kills, or Supes is holding back, may win.

Even with Kryptonite Supes just snipes him.

Heat Vision from the sky. Toasty Bats.

Or even just grab Bats, and Up Up and Away into Space.

Oh look Bats imploded.

Game over man....Game Over...

[drgnoftyr]

any green lantern is most powerful having no limits on what you can do any of them would kill supes if they wanted to

[lavinah]

See, of course, Batman would never get into a "knock down, drag out, fight to the DEATH" with Superman. At least, not toe-to-toe.

Say they were arch-enemies, somehow. Here's what would happen:

Superman flies around, looking for Batman - REALLY fast.
Batman hides in the Batcave, comming up with a way to best Superman.
At a time and location convient to Batman, Superman would find Batman.
Heat vision: Check - Batman's planned for it.
Superspeed: Check - he's got that covered.
Ect, ect, ect.
And, ZAP POW BAM right in the kisser with the Kryptonite gloves (or whatever).

Batman wins. I'm not as smart as Batman is (odd statement) - I don't know how he'd do it; but he WOULD.

[Ro-gan]

Superman is called the "Boy Scout" for a reason. He doesn't kill and he plays by the rules.

Batman wins at any costs and by any means necessary.

Batman would win.

You can't go saying:

"If they were mortal enemies... If Superman would kill... If yadda, yadda, yadda."

By the way the characters are now and have been for MANY years now-- Batman would win.

When you add "Ifs" and "Buts" into the equation you are no longer technically talking about the same characters and who they are.

'Nuff Said!

[zaurial]

um... this is who's the best in the DCU, not who's the bast out of supes and bats. hal jorden would kick all of their assets. and kyle might too! john, probably not, not enough willpower. and guy might have a bit of trouble. probably supes with a green lantern ring (from last son of earth) would be the strongest, or bats. maybe the flash with a ring. oohh... that'd be cool.
but bats vs supes? smack smack with the kyrptonite and down goes superman.
end
of
story!

[uroboros]

Still, Batman isn't going to kill Supes. That's all there is to it. Short of killing him I don't know what he could do to permanently keep him out of the picture. I don't know enough about any of the green lanterns to make an accurate judgement, could never get past the motto.
At some point someone is just going to have to define "most powerful".

[LuckyJ]

this isn't a batman v. superman thread last I checked....maybe I'm wrong.

I thought that either Spectre or Doomsday was the most powerful. I'm kind of surprised no-one has mentioned Doomsday yet. Why hasn't he made the list? (no, really...I'm asking cuz I don't know.)

[Zekeup32]

It started out as a most powerful HERO thread, Doomsday is a definate villian and Spectre is on the line. If it were to be the most Powerful in the whole DC universe than Spectre would take the cake.

[gladiator1518]

Originally posted by drgnof tyr
any green lantern is most powerful having no limits on what you can do any of them would kill supes if they wanted to Nope.You need to check out Action Comics Annual 1991#3 which is an Armageddon 2001 title.In it Superman becomes president.Guy Gardner doesn't like it and attacks Supes WITH his power ring.Guess what happens?Of coarse,even after I tell you I know those of you who can't be reasonable are gonna say blah,blah,blah.Anyway,the first blast from his ring knocked Supes on his tail.That was only cause he was surprised.After he got up,it was all Superman.Gardner zaps Supes again,and Supes just walks right up to Guy even though Guy has had a continuous big green beam(or whatever you wanna call it) on Supes at full blast,and Supes just put his fist around Guy's fist,including the ring and simply takes it off.Talk about easy!!You said"any of them would kill supes if they wanted to" that's total H.S.! On the other hand,Supes,if HE WANTED TO COULD KILL ANY GREEN LANTERN and just about anyone else he wanted to!The only Lantern that might be able to give Superman a run for his money is Hal Jordan.And from what I've heard he's not around anymore.

[Ro-gan]

Batman is still the most powerful.

What he lacks in physical strength he MORE than makes up for in intelligence, cunning, and planning.

He KNOWS the Who's Who of the ENTIRE DC Universe. Even the dead ones (because nobody stays dead in comics). He has plans within plans within plans to "take care of" any hero/villain that steps too far out of line and needs to be taken down permanently.

Now I know Batman will NEVER take a life intentionally but he has no qualms about putting someone in statis/lock-up indefinitely. And if Batman puts someone in lock-up the lock-up WILL BE secure and unbreak outable (I don't think that is a word, but you get the idea).

And I know the naysayers will come back with:

"but (insert name here) will swoop down at super speed and kill/render inert/knock out Batman before he knows what is going on."

Sorry, NO they won't.

Batman is only caught unawares if he wants to be caught unawares.

Batman is akin to Santa Claus. The man knows who's been bad or good. He knows what is going on in the world at all times.