Heroclix Poll Duo Figures

[super57]

Do you want to see Duo Figures continue to be made; several per Set like Brave and the Bold; made only one per Set as part of the regular figures in the set; made only as a BIBTB figure with a Set; make one once in a while in a Set; I no longer want to see them made? Pick one only.

Also, if you want to see them continued to be made, list any suggestions. I say make one every now and then in a Set. I offer Captain America and Falcon, and Superman and Shazam.

[ChiRocker]

I don't understand the question, and I won't respond to it.

[super57]

I don't understand the question, and I won't respond to it.

Great. Thanks.

[super57]

I don't understand the question, and I won't respond to it.

Just kidding. Go to the Poll and read the options, and just pick one, and offer suggestion if you want to continue to see Wizids make duo figures.

[ChiRocker]

This is a truthful suggestion, if you just want people to pick one option, don't allow people to pick more than 1.

In all honesty, I like duo's, but mainly because i am more of a collector than a player. If I wanted some pieces to play, I would rather they have special powers that allowed them to do cool stuff when within eyeshot of each other or adjacent.

BTW, that quote I said was from Arrested Development. You should watch it =]

[specialmagic]

I like may of the existing duos. I don't care if they are made at a particular frequency. I think the amount of duos in BatB made sense because it was all about team ups, but I don't think they should necessarily do that all the time.

[theavengerthor]

...If I wanted some pieces to play, I would rather they have special powers that allowed them to do cool stuff when within eyeshot of each other or adjacent.... =]

Similar to Shimmer and Mammoth? Yes, I would much prefer that type of interaction between figures. However, an occasional duo is fun to see.

[brevard321]

I would LIKE several duos each expansion.

Going on the 10th Anniversary of Heroclix, I think it's okay if we get a Batman/Nightwing duo instead of a Batman remake and a Nightwing remake.

For characters that have yet to be made, such as Man-Wolf, don't make them a duo.

But for characters that have been made frequently, I think duos are the way to go!

Spider-Man/Human Torch
Vision/Scarlet Witch
Reed/Sue
Thing/Human Torch
Quicksilver/Scarlet Witch
Captain America/Falcon
Daredevil/Spider-Man
Daredevil/Elektra
Daredevil/Black Widow
Hawkeye/Mockingbird
Mystique/Destiny

Robin (Dick)/Batgirl (Barbara)
Robin (Tim)/Spoiler
Batman/Commisioner Gordon
Robin (Tim)/Superboy
Flash/Kid Flash
Joker/Harley Quinn
Batman/Robin (Jason Todd)
Batman/Robin (Dick)
Batman/Green Lantern (Hal)
John Stewart/Katma Tui
Hal/Arisia
Superman/Batman small base

There are a LOT more that could be done.

And I like the idea that the pieces can be both playable, and collectable, and look good on a desk or shelf, like the Batman/Catwoman does.

[I Am The Game]

However, whenever.

[dariusq]

I don't mind the Duo figs so long as they're actual duos. A majority of the pairs which have been made are characters who have worked together in the past but are really just individuals slapped together. Save the Duos for characters who are partnered up full time and not just a random team-up.

Ex. Cloak & Dagger are a duo.
Ex. Batman and Catwoman are not a duo.

[Hesster56]

Well, if I don't derail this thread into a complaint about how Duos are bad, someone else will.

I like duos, I really do, but their implementation has let me down. I want to see them sparingly, maybe one or two per set at most.

The problem with duos is that they never feel like two characters, they feel like one character with a weird version of Flurry.

[theavengerthor]

Well, if I don't derail this thread into a complaint about how Duos are bad, someone else will.

I like duos, I really do, but their implementation has let me down. I want to see them sparingly, maybe one or two per set at most.

The problem with duos is that they never feel like two characters, they feel like one character with a weird version of Flurry.

Although, as much complaining as BatB garnered, I think the duo pieces in that set were far better designed then most people gave them credit for. Duos ARE getting better.

[Mr.x_20xx]

I like Duos, its just that they many times are full of contradictions from incompatble powers making them ineffective many times. What usually makes a duo useful is high raw damage, since almost no powers work with it. I would think around 1-3 duos a set is a decent number. B&B was way overkill.

Also your poll should have had different wording. The first option sounds like it would use a reasonable amount of duos in a set, but you use the extream case as an example, kinda complicates your poll.

[Clickin'nutz!]

I don't really like the fact that you are apparently limiting the choices on this poll to only one figure per set. I like Duo figures, not as much as some did with brave and the bold, however i am not opposed to say 2-3 duo figures in a set, any more than that and i get overwhelmed with them. I like them but in small amounts, my favorites are Iron man/ War machine, and Bat/Cat, and if there were no duos we never would have got them.

[Snake_Judge]

One or two a set would be my preferred option. I play duos every now and then because they are fun to play (though not that competitive) and would not like to see them disappear entirely.

[dkrmguy]

I enjoy playing & collecting. As a collector I like Duo's. As a player not so much. The duo ability just does not translate very well on most duos made to date so I choose "One made, now and then, part of regular Set figures."

[lensnart]

I went with four but there isn't really an option that represents my choice.

I have no problem with duo's as a mechanic at all it is all in how the mechanic is used.

If it is a pair of characters that are intrinsically linked like the Wonder Twins, Fenris (the X badie not the wolf), or on AOA version of Sabertooth and Wildchild, then I say go crazy and duo them up. If it is just using the mechanic for the sake of having duos like Pied Piper and Trickster, particularly when it combined characters that we still don't have single version of as it did in that case, then I say no thank you kind sir, I would prefer to never have them.

Also for characters that have been clixed eleventy-five times they are a good way to add the big names while taking up half the slots, but even then it still needs to make some sense.

So it isn't really yes or no to duos, it all depends on what duo you're talking about.

[Neff]

How I can accept duos in sets:

1. Duos of characters that are linked to another (either literally, or by powers, or whatever).

2. Duos with characters with a lot of versions in the game (e.g. Spider-Man, Batman).

3. A dial design that isn't completely incompatible with the Duo Attack ability (I'm looking at you, Lex Luthor and Brainiac).

4. NO PEANUT BASES

[Glen Quagmire]

No options fit me, so I'm not voting. Options #2 - #4 don't differ that much from each other as far as people wanting them scarce, whereas option #1 would be for people wanting duos them in droves. I'm in the middle and would want 3-4 in a set.

[sparks4289]

Yet another poorly made poll with limited options. There are many ways to see more duo characters in the game that don't fit into your limited imagination. I"ll abstain from voting.

I will say this about duos, it depends entirely on the character selection. Duos should be made, when they are character appropriate (hawk & dove, lead and tin, iron man and war machine, etc etc) It should never be a matter of 'we should put more duos in the set simply for the sake of having duos'

[super57]

Yet another poorly made poll with limited options. There are many ways to see more duo characters in the game that don't fit into your limited imagination. I"ll abstain from voting.

I will say this about duos, it depends entirely on the character selection. Duos should be made, when they are character appropriate (hawk & dove, lead and tin, iron man and war machine, etc etc) It should never be a matter of 'we should put more duos in the set simply for the sake of having duos'

Can you please respond without citirizing my Polls. I agree with you that they should be character appropriate for the most part, however now that they started this, I think if they are going to make any, they should be one per Set, every now and then, and be character appropriate like you said, but do some where it was just the two of them fighting side by side in comic episodes, such as Cap and Bucky, Cap and Flacon; Superman & Wonder Woman. etc.

[Thrumble Funk]

Went with one every set or so, if/when it makes sense.

[tempest33]

I don't mind the Duo figs so long as they're actual duos. A majority of the pairs which have been made are characters who have worked together in the past but are really just individuals slapped together. Save the Duos for characters who are partnered up full time and not just a random team-up.

Ex. Cloak & Dagger are a duo.
Ex. Batman and Catwoman are not a duo.

I totally agree with you. Hawk & Dove is another good example. Wolverine and Colossus ... not so much a duo as a figthing maneuver. I'd rather have powers that activate when the two figures are in within range or line of sight, like Shimmer & Mammoth or Osiris & Isis. However, some duos, I wouldn't mind like Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver (though I'd rather have them separate).

[Thrumble Funk]

Also, not getting the peanut base hate so much. I've never found the peanut base to be much of a problem.

[sparks4289]

Can you please respond without citirizing my Polls.

A bad poorly written poll is a bad poorly written poll. If someone doesn't tell you it's bad and poorly written, then how are you ever going to learn to write GOOD polls.

I agree with you that they should be character appropriate for the most part, however now that they started this, I think if they are going to make any, they should be one per Set, every now and then, and be character appropriate like you said, but do some where it was just the two of them fighting side by side in comic episodes, such as Cap and Bucky, Cap and Flacon; Superman & Wonder Woman. etc.

WHY does there need to be 'a duo per set' Why force it? Thats like saying 'there must be at least 1 sharpshooter, 1 giant, 1 duo, and 1 dolphin transporter per set' It's a game mechanic. It happens to be a game mechanic that I enjoy....but that doesn't mean I want them to force it into every single set simply for the sake of 'putting a duo' in every set.

[Thrumble Funk]

A bad poorly written poll is a bad poorly written poll. If someone doesn't tell you it's bad and poorly written, then how are you ever going to learn to write GOOD polls.

Seems like EVERY DAMN TIME a poll goes up, an army of would-be editors crop up searching for something to criticize.

Hint: If you can look at a poll and say "I generally get what he's trying to say," then that oughtta do.

This ain't Reuters/Gallup.

[DemonRS]

Seems like EVERY DAMN TIME a poll goes up, an army of would-be editors crop up searching for something to criticize.

Hint: If you can look at a poll and say "I generally get what he's trying to say," then that oughtta do.

This ain't Reuters/Gallup.

Whilst I agree with your sentiment.. But when you're pretty known for posting polls and you want people to take you more seriously, they really should be written a bit better to get clear understanding..

As well as not checking every box on the poll options to allow a voter to select all the answers..


WHY does there need to be 'a duo per set' Why force it? Thats like saying 'there must be at least 1 sharpshooter, 1 giant, 1 duo, and 1 dolphin transporter per set' It's a game mechanic. It happens to be a game mechanic that I enjoy....but that doesn't mean I want them to force it into every single set simply for the sake of 'putting a duo' in every set.

In fairness viable options are:
One made every now and then, as a BIBTB figure.
One made, now and then, part of regular Set figures.

Which seems to echo your sentiment.

[red king]

Could do without them.....

But if they want to make the chases duos..... I'm down with that.

[sparks4289]

In fairness viable options are:
One made every now and then, as a BIBTB figure.
One made, now and then, part of regular Set figures.

Which seems to echo your sentiment.

Let me get my sentiment across a little more clearly then.

Why does there need to be a formula for it? Why does there need to be 'one per set'? There are quite a few times I could see it highly appropriate to have 10 or 15 duos in a set, if it fits within the theme for the set. Brave and the Bold, (maybe a marvel teamup set!! whoohoo!) are highly appropriate to have tons of duos in. To me, the number of duos in brave and the bold was appropriate to the set theme. If it was only 'one made now and then' wed never see sets like BatB, and my Dreams of a Marvel Teamup set go right out the window.

There are also times I see where there needs to be only 1 duo per set. WoS did a great job with IM/WM. Iron man 2 came out at the same time and it needed to get represented in clix form. It wasn't to far off from the set theme (we did have dark avengers and Iron Patriot)


the general 'One made , now and then, part of regular Set figures.' doesn't cover it all.

[deathmaster36]

I don't mind seeing a few duo's per set however I think duo's should be for weaker characters such as humans and/or other toons that always work together.

The duo figs I prefer are ones that are under 200 pts like Cloak and Dagger. I rarely ever play duo's such as Shazam and Black Adam because the point value is most of your force (at full value for S & BA) and if it is the target of an attack from one or more opponents, its going to take most or all of the damage.

From a stratigic point of view its better to have 2 toons that your oppenent has to choose from (at that high of a point value) and change their stratagy around to see which character they want to weaken on your force. One duo figure thats close to 300 pts and can only have a max potential of being 11 clicks deep will (in most instances) not be as effective as 2 characters that are around 150 pts each and are 6-8 clicks deep. Oh and before I forget, don't have to reduce and of their combat values to make a second attack.

A good example of this would be Hercules from Secret Invasion. At 142 pts. can flurry and push to flurry the next time around without reducing for a duo attack.

I'm not bashing on duos or anything and I like most of what has come out. I'm just not particular to teaming up 2 powerful figs that are already rediclous by them self and trying to make them even more powerful by teaming them up. Weaker characters stand to gain from this not strong ones. lol:p

[sparks4289]

I don't mind seeing a few duo's per set however I think duo's should be for weaker characters such as humans and/or other toons that always work together.



I have to kind of agree with you on this. Most of the larger point value duos are my least favorite. I love Larry and Mike, lead and tin, hawk and dove etc. They do tend to be the best value for the points compared to other duos. Some of the duos in brave and the bold just fell flat because of this.

I think it's getting alot better though. The newer duos with special 'duo' powers really make a huge difference (IM/WM all out assault, larry and mike getting prob on duo etc etc) I also think giving shazam and black adam the ability to choose which dial you start with was just brilliant.

[sparks4289]

anyone else really want to see a mas y menos duo figure??!?!?

[Glen Quagmire]

Also, not getting the peanut base hate so much. I've never found the peanut base to be much of a problem.

Paraphrasing some folks, they basically want to pleace their figures behind meat shields, but peanut bases aren't as conducive for that.

Some people have also cited storage issues, but that's an odd complaint since sets from long ago (Fantastic Forces, Avengers) were pretty big cues that we all need to have better storage going forward. Our wives'/ mothers' spare craft boxes stopped being viable some time ago.

I will say there's a legit complaint about duos as handled in Brave and the Bold, as there didn't seem to be much discernment about which figures would get a peanut base (outside of keeping Hawkman and Atom on a single).

[sparks4289]

Paraphrasing some folks, they basically want to pleace their figures behind meat shields, but peanut bases aren't as conducive for that.

Some people have also cited storage issues, but that's an odd complaint since sets from long ago (Fantastic Forces, Avengers) were pretty big cues that we all need to have better storage going forward. Our wives'/ mothers' spare craft boxes stopped being viable some time ago.

I will say there's a legit complaint about duos as handled in Brave and the Bold, as there didn't seem to be much discernment about which figures would get a peanut base (outside of keeping Hawkman and Atom on a single).

Gotta agree 100% with you here. There have been larger pieces that don't fit in the crappy craft boxes for years now. I used to cut out sections of the inserts to fit the figures, but now I've adopted a much nicer plastic toolbox storage system. Everything from HoT fits in 1 case of mine, peanut bases, 10 of each generic, both surturs, and even the colossal Chariot.

As far as people complaighning because they can't hide peanut bases behind a meat shield, I do understand that. But at the same token it works in reverse, if you use the peanut base as a shield, you get much broader protection. There just aren't as many peanut bases I'd want right out front. (Mr. Mircale and Oberon however are always protecting people for me) I think it really just boils down to, is it appropriate for the clix to be taking up 2 slots? Theres nothing wrong with peanuts, just seemed to go a little to far in brave and the bold.