View Full Version : Fight Club How should the Streak (and Undertaker's career) end?
The BoyBlunder
02/20/2011, 04:33
We all know it's coming, and soon. In the next few years, Taker is probably going to retire, and it just makes sense for it to happen at Wrestlemania. Who would you like to see break the streak, and how would you like Taker to go out?
I'd like to see him built up as a heel on the road to mania, make him challenger for the belt, and have him agree that if he loses, he will leave the WWE. After a long match, surprisingly he comes out the victor, winning the belt, only for a young up and comer to cash in money in the bank and challenge him. After another hard fight, Taker falls.
A slightly different option would be this. The title match is between Miz, the belt holder, and Taker. Morrison has money-in-the-bank. Rather than wait for the match to be over, Morrison cashes it in before the match, and beats Miz, taking the belt, and then goes on to defend it against Taker, beating him as well. I definitely feel like Taker should have a grand exit, but it should also be used to put over a young star.
JDKenada
02/20/2011, 08:51
Honestly, at this stage of the game I would really like to see him hit 20-0 and just call it quits. There's really no one out there that deserves that kind of rub and the streak is what it is. That's why I personally think it shouldn't end.
mike_houghton
02/20/2011, 11:18
Death is the only logical exit for the dead man.
Arsenalroy2k
02/20/2011, 12:18
Honestly, at this stage of the game I would really like to see him hit 20-0 and just call it quits.
This. Let him make it to 20 then end it.
JackAssterson
02/20/2011, 15:00
. Who would you like to see break the streak, and how would you like Taker to go out?
No one.
With his final Wrestlemania victory.
Or failing that, maybe he could win a Buried Alive match. :cheeky:
KO Bossy
02/20/2011, 18:08
Or failing that, maybe he could win a Buried Alive match. :cheeky:
Actually, he has won a Buried Alive match before.
Not many people remember this because it wasn't on a pay per view. On an episode of Smackdown in 1999, Undertaker and Big Show teamed up to fight the Rock 'n Sock Connection for the Tag Team Titles in a Buried Alive Match. In the end Triple H interfered, attacking both sides (including clocking Big Show with a sledgehammer) and buried Mankind alive himself, which gave Taker and Show the win.
Now in 1 on 1 Buried Alive Matches, yeah, Taker's record is pretty sad. Especially since this, along with the Casket Match, was supposed to be his specialty.
KO Bossy
02/20/2011, 18:09
Oh, as for the OP's question...
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Taker should retire with the streak intact. His final match should be against Sting. The 2 loners from rival companies finally squaring off after all this time...that'd be a hell of a way to go out.
Come on, Vince, make it happen!
Oh, as for the OP's question...
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Taker should retire with the streak intact. His final match should be against Sting. The 2 loners from rival companies finally squaring off after all this time...that'd be a hell of a way to go out.
Come on, Vince, make it happen!
There is just too much bad blood between The WWE & TNA right now for a Sting Vs. Taker match to happen. The only possible way I fore see it happening is the WWE & TNA would have to agree to a three match deal.
The winner of each match get's to pick where and what type of match they have
First Match is standard
(Sting wins match at a TNA sponsored event)
Second Match Tables, Ladders, Chairs at Wrestlemania
(Undertaker wins at Wrestlemania)
Third Match will be something never before seen in "pro" wrestling
it will be Sting Vs. Undertaker in a UFC rules match. THAT'S RIGHT we will have a joint venture between TNA, The WWE, and UFC president Dana White imagine HELL IN CELL fought in "The Octagon" with UFC guidelines. "Oh,yes there will be blood"
(people don't realize many of Mark Calaway's friends are mixed martial artists and Mark is a HUGE UFC fan)
Sting will lose and be forced to quit as a stipulation and the Undertaker will win but decide to retire.
JDKenada
02/20/2011, 23:11
There is just too much bad blood between The WWE & TNA right now for a Sting Vs. Taker match to happen. The only possible way I fore see it happening is the WWE & TNA would have to agree to a three match deal.
The winner of each match get's to pick where and what type of match they have
First Match is standard
(Sting wins match at a TNA sponsored event)
Second Match Tables, Ladders, Chairs at Wrestlemania
(Undertaker wins at Wrestlemania)
Third Match will be something never before seen in "pro" wrestling
it will be Sting Vs. Undertaker in a UFC rules match. THAT'S RIGHT we will have a joint venture between TNA, The WWE, and UFC president Dana White imagine HELL IN CELL fought in "The Octagon" with UFC guidelines. "Oh,yes there will be blood"
(people don't realize many of Mark Calaway's friends are mixed martial artists and Mark is a HUGE UFC fan)
Sting will lose and be forced to quit as a stipulation and the Undertaker will win but decide to retire.
TNA and WWE would have to agree to what exactly? If the premise of Sting being a free agent (a new contract has not been announced with TNA after his previous one expired last year...not to say it hasn't happened) is true, then WWE would merely have to sign him to a deal.
I'm admittedly confused here.
The BoyBlunder
02/21/2011, 02:19
What if Michaels were to come out of retirement for one final match? Maybe not to end the streak, but to be in the final match?
AlienFlanders
02/21/2011, 07:48
I don't think the Streak should be broken, I think 20-0 and retire.
With everyone being "badass" now, I wouldn't give the streak to anyone to continue.
I'd like to see the Streak broken as a passing of the torch to some monster heel. One thing they have a hard time with is keeping momentum going for people, and as long as you're the guy that broke the streak, you should be a legitimate threat to anyone. (As long as you aren't getting pinned by The Cobra) If it had to happen right now, Wade Barrett or Sheamus would be the only two heels who could use it and have it fit their character to go after the streak to cement their status. Jack Swagger would be my longshot for it, if they ever decide they are going to have him be dominant Jack again.
There's no real benefit to The Streak if no one breaks it. It's not like The Undertaker losing at Wrestlemania and then retiring really hurts his character at all.
JackAssterson
02/21/2011, 14:09
There's no real benefit to The Streak if no one breaks it.
It's one of wrestling's milestones -- one of the few that NO ONE will touch.
That has value. And frankly, Taker deserves it.
TNA and WWE would have to agree to what exactly? If the premise of Sting being a free agent (a new contract has not been announced with TNA after his previous one expired last year...not to say it hasn't happened) is true, then WWE would merely have to sign him to a deal.
I'm admittedly confused here.
Wasn't aware Sting's contract expired thought he was still with company but even if he's not given the hatred The Undertaker has for Sting The Undertaker will not agree to lose to sting at Wrestlemania. It's just not gonna happen so if it becomes a 3 match deal they can each claim a victory and well The Undertaker has seniority with the WWE so he'll get the win in match three.
wintremute
02/21/2011, 18:53
It would be nice to see the Undertaker go "Andre the Giant" and put someone over, there's really no one for him to do that with.
So, I agree with the others, go 20-0 and end it.
Here's the thing - if we go with Sting (which would have a hell of a draw for the old-timers), we aren't going to do it this year. It's going to be next year, for the big 20-0 year. That gives us the time to build it up, instead of rushing it. Makes it even bigger.
And then Taker goes over and retires, streak unbroken.
Like others have said, yes, breaking the streak would be a big push. But there are a few problems with that idea.
If anyone deserves to go out clean, it's the Undertaker. He's given a lot to the WWE, he's still a "gimmick" wrestler a decade after all the gimmicks started going away.
There's no one who deserves this push. Now, by this time next year maybe we'll have someone. But right now the two top contenders would be Wade Barrett & Sheamus - both of whom have had big pushes before.
Which brings up the other point - WWE wouldn't know what to do with the push. We'd end "the streak," and if the last few years of writing hold true it will be forgotten by Survivor Series (at the latest).
So, to answer the orignal question - Taker should win #20 next year and retire.
Here's the thing - if we go with Sting (which would have a hell of a draw for the old-timers), we aren't going to do it this year. It's going to be next year, for the big 20-0 year. That gives us the time to build it up, instead of rushing it. Makes it even bigger.
And then Taker goes over and retires, streak unbroken.
Like others have said, yes, breaking the streak would be a big push. But there are a few problems with that idea.
If anyone deserves to go out clean, it's the Undertaker. He's given a lot to the WWE, he's still a "gimmick" wrestler a decade after all the gimmicks started going away.
There's no one who deserves this push. Now, by this time next year maybe we'll have someone. But right now the two top contenders would be Wade Barrett & Sheamus - both of whom have had big pushes before.
Which brings up the other point - WWE wouldn't know what to do with the push. We'd end "the streak," and if the last few years of writing hold true it will be forgotten by Survivor Series (at the latest).
So, to answer the orignal question - Taker should win #20 next year and retire.
Looks like we won't get to 20 as HHH is going to beat The Undertaker for the following reasons
HHH has NEVER beat The Undertaker
The Undertaker retired HHH's best friend Shawn Michaels at Wrestlemania
so HHH wants payback
HHH hasn't feuded with "Taker" in years and HHH is the only wrestler who's earned the right to end "The Streak".
(Although I still think their feud is long dead and rehashing it fills me with boredom. REALLY Undertaker Vs. HHH is a throughly beaten dead horse.)
mike_houghton
02/21/2011, 23:44
I completely disagree. This match is going to be epic. Those two didnt say a word and they had the crowd eating out of their hands.
Both are fresh
Both are great workers
This match will be incredible
I completely disagree. This match is going to be epic. Those two didnt say a word and they had the crowd eating out of their hands.
Both are fresh
Both are great workers
This match will be incredible
I didn't say the match wasn't going to be PHENOMenal it's just the angle that I find boring and HHH has lost to The Undertaker so many times that I grew tired of the hype about there matches.
I just really hope it's not Streak vs Triple H's career. I don't like how it's becoming the normal to have these types of matches at WM. Flair, HBK, Triple H. What next? Edge, Jericho? Flair and HBK matches were good but knowing the ending of the match kind of takes the suspense out of everything. I just hate having matches who you know for sure is going to win, takes some of the fun out of it. Not that I think Taker will win anyways, I just don't like that that type of thing is becoming the norm. I just don't want to put up with a retirement match every year at WM.
The Darkstone
02/22/2011, 20:06
There is no good way to end the streak, unless Taker wins it all.
But he has to retire at the end of it. No point staying after it.
NeoShazam
02/25/2011, 17:47
I don't really like the Undertaker but he should finish his Wrestlemania streak undefeated.
Bonus points for having Paul Bearer , Ultimate Warrior , or Shawn Michaels interact with him before he retires.
lensnart
02/25/2011, 17:58
I agree with everyone else let him go 20 - 0 this year would be ridiculous if he lost, with no lead up and no reason to lose especially to Triple-H.
It would be great to see him win number 20 next year and then hang it up, and I love the idea of the last battle being with Sting, but sadly it will never happen.
JDKenada
02/25/2011, 21:01
I agree with everyone else let him go 20 - 0 this year would be ridiculous if he lost, with no lead up and no reason to lose especially to Triple-H.
I can buy into Trips looking to avenge his best friend "forced into retirement" at the hands of Taker.
Then again, I'd like to see Sheamus attack Hunter at 'Mania to remind him who put him on the shelf in the first place. I'm a sucker for continuity (don't ask me why I watch pro wrestling then...).
KO Bossy
02/25/2011, 21:12
I'm a sucker for continuity (don't ask me why I watch pro wrestling then...).
Yeah, and this is why I found the whole Triple H/Randy Orton feud from last year so retarded. Triple H and Stephanie were married in 1999 as part of a feud between Hunter and Vince. And this marriage angle continued on until 2002, at which point Trips ended it. Next thing you know, a few years later, they're married again, except this time they actually are married in real life, yet the fans were just expected to completely forget what had previously happened.
Don't treat the fans like idiots-a rule to live by if you run a wrestling company.
JDKenada
02/25/2011, 23:10
Don't treat the fans like idiots-a rule to live by if you run a wrestling company.
Except the standard in pro wrestling is, within the last 30 days or it didn't happen.
turdburglar47
02/25/2011, 23:30
I think 20-0, too.
Also, I guess I missed it, but how did the whole angle with Kane end up? Does Kane not still have POWER over the Undertaker, or did running around chasing Edge and Paul Bearer drain it all?
JackAssterson
02/25/2011, 23:33
I think 20-0, too.
Also, I guess I missed it, but how did the whole angle with Kane end up? Does Kane not still have POWER over the Undertaker, or did running around chasing Edge and Paul Bearer drain it all?
My take?
The Paul Bearer thing ended up so bad that anything even peripherally tied to that timeframe/angle has been perma-swept under the rug.
It is anathema, now and forever.
KO Bossy
02/25/2011, 23:55
Except the standard in pro wrestling is, within the last 30 days or it didn't happen.
Yeah, no kidding. Its shameful how they ruin the continuity sometimes. Even simple stuff like saying "I've never seen so and so do that before!" when they'd just done it 2 weeks ago.
My take?
The Paul Bearer thing ended up so bad that anything even peripherally tied to that timeframe/angle has been perma-swept under the rug.
It is anathema, now and forever.
The whole Edge/Kane feud was awful. Really, in my opinion, Kane has been on a steady decline ever since he was de-masked. Well, actually, I'd say the Katie Vick angle (anyone remember that mess?).
turdburglar47
02/26/2011, 01:08
I was actually liking Kane finally getting his big championship run at the expense of the Undertaker - but what happened to end that feud? How did it segue into Edge making a mockery of all the scary awesomeness he'd built up?
spike1138
02/26/2011, 01:18
Move it to 20-0 and then walk away. If Dr. Isaac Yankem HAS to make a run-in, then so be it... :^P
UndeadEnigma
02/26/2011, 07:28
What I like to see is Taker go to 20-0 and then fade into the light.
Taker vs. HHH leaves some big if type questions. The match has literally no build, the two of them are just so established that they both come back and wrestle and that's good enough. So will HHH vs. Taker get an interrupt to establish a year more for both, or is HHH going to be selfish and claim a win over Taker robbing him of a legendary streak? To quote Luger, "I don't know!"
Both of these guys are looking at hanging it up. HHH might have two to three more years in him, Taker on the other hand is really winding down. The smart book is to set up something that pulls the streak to a 20th match, but Taker's gotta not get hurt to do that. Does he have it in him? UH, sadly it's tough to tell. This coming from the opinion of a fierce COTN.
As for Sting, fans want it, Vince would love the money from it, but it's not going to happen. Why? Sting is an established legend outside of the WWE. It's part of what made him, and he's stated that he's never going to change that. There aren't many guys that can claim that title, and it's one I think he's going to keep till he calls it quits.
The only way I can see it possibly happening is a hall of fame indoctrination recognizing Stings contribution to the Biz, that sets up a one match angle vs. Taker following a challenge by the Deadman. That and Sting gets a lions share of cash for one lousy appearance.
mike_houghton
02/26/2011, 10:33
Sting is back in TNA and has wont he Title off of Jeff Hardy
So no he wont be facing the Undertaker or showing up anytime soon in WWE
JDKenada
02/26/2011, 12:16
Sting is back in TNA and has wont he Title off of Jeff Hardy
So no he wont be facing the Undertaker or showing up anytime soon in WWE
Yeah....I commented on that in the 'Mania thread.
Honestly, for something quasi-fresh, how about Taker beat Hunter this year and then face a champion at Mania next year. Streak vs. Title. Have Taker win, and retire in the same week, creating a tournament for the Title. They haven't had one in a while, and I think it would be fresh. You could even have whomever he beats argue they should be the champ since he basically forfeited the title, thus they get a first round bye.
Wow, in hindsight, that writes itself...
turdburglar47
02/26/2011, 13:18
Yeah....I commented on that in the 'Mania thread.
Honestly, for something quasi-fresh, how about Taker beat Hunter this year and then face a champion at Mania next year. Streak vs. Title. Have Taker win, and retire in the same week, creating a tournament for the Title. They haven't had one in a while, and I think it would be fresh. You could even have whomever he beats argue they should be the champ since he basically forfeited the title, thus they get a first round bye.
Wow, in hindsight, that writes itself...
I'm all for this, considering that Wrestlemania IV remains the best thing ever. OOOOOOOOOH YEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAHHH!
Sting is back in TNA and has wont he Title off of Jeff Hardy
So no he wont be facing the Undertaker or showing up anytime soon in WWE
Like Total Nonstop AWFUL would EVER let their most prized has been work for the enemy they damn well know that if Sting left TNA would fold within the year. Also the reason The Invasion failed was because it didn't go far enough as in we should be watching WCW Smackdown. However we're not because "The Invasion" was a fake scripted event with a definitive end from the moment Vince bought the company. Originally Shane was supposed buy out Stephanie and relaunch WCW as an actual rival company but Vince pulled the plug because he felt that WCW was a "money pit".
JDKenada
03/01/2011, 09:56
Like Total Nonstop AWFUL would EVER let their most prized has been work for the enemy they damn well know that if Sting left TNA would fold within the year.
Selective memory? Sting has gone on a year long hiatus before and absolutely nothing changed. He's not the be all and end all of TNA.
Also the reason The Invasion failed was because it didn't go far enough as in we should be watching WCW Smackdown.
Actually, had they completely taken over SmackDown, that would've been pretty cool. It wouldn't have changed the end result, but it would have been "different" and "fresh."
However we're not because "The Invasion" was a fake scripted event with a definitive end from the moment Vince bought the company.
...buh?
Originally Shane was supposed buy out Stephanie and relaunch WCW as an actual rival company but Vince pulled the plug because he felt that WCW was a "money pit".
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Est-tu? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvTNyKIGXiI)
mike_houghton
03/01/2011, 11:25
Nash Joins up with HBK and HHH to bring the Cliq to take care of Taker :(
With HHH already running the company by virtue of being the heir apparent to Vince he may have a big enough ego to force a win.
That being said HHH appears to Just be picking up where Shawn Michaels left off rivalry wise.
I think Taker will retire with the streak intact.
Thrumble Funk
03/03/2011, 11:08
It shouldn't happen, is a stupid idea, and is unnecessary, but I see John Cena snapping the streak. Seems like something they'd do.
With HHH already running the company by virtue of being the heir apparent to Vince he may have a big enough ego to force a win.
That being said HHH appears to Just be picking up where Shawn Michaels left off rivalry wise.
I think Taker will retire with the streak intact.
I REALLY want Taker to retire with the streak intact but several events have been building up to prevent that from happening
The First of these was Shawn Michaels being retired
The Second is the fact HHH has NEVER beaten Taker in singles competition
The Third is the fact Kevin Nash was given his first big break in the WWE thanks to Michaels and Taker beat Nash at Wrestlemania so expect Nash to be in HHH's corner during the match beating on Taker whenever he lands outside the ring
The BoyBlunder
03/04/2011, 06:12
Is Orton still working the Legend Killer angle? If Orton set his sights on Taker, and got whooped, with Taker retiring after, that would make me happy, because I can't stand Orton.
taker will win but will retire next year when he reaches 20-0 it is his destiny. my guess is that his last oppenent will be kane and he will finally finish it for good.
turdburglar47
03/05/2011, 14:20
Man, I just watched Smackdown and saw Taker come out to motherscratchin' Johnny Cash and HE MUST NEVER LOSE EVER.
Seriously, the best entrance in the history of the institution. We'll forgive him the Kid Rock era, because this smokey silhouette stuff is amazing. Don't take it for granted. Enjoy it and revel in it every time it's on.
The BoyBlunder
03/07/2011, 01:16
Man, I just watched Smackdown and saw Taker come out to motherscratchin' Johnny Cash and HE MUST NEVER LOSE EVER.
Seriously, the best entrance in the history of the institution. We'll forgive him the Kid Rock era, because this smokey silhouette stuff is amazing. Don't take it for granted. Enjoy it and revel in it every time it's on.
Is it up on youtube yet?
turdburglar47
03/07/2011, 02:23
Is it up on youtube yet?
There wasn't anything special about it. It's just Undertaker's general entrance is the best entrance in the history of wrestling and I love watching it every time. He's now coming out to Johnny Cash's "Ain't No Grave." So just play that song and watch any of his non-biker entrances.
Kevin187
03/09/2011, 02:04
Saw it live last night, and got goose-bumps. Kind of a weak promo after (trying to put over the "last outlaw" thing too hard) but i digress.
The Mattador
03/17/2011, 07:16
IMO, the streak is the Undertaker's career...that's why year in and year out, I say no one is ever going to break it...all the big wrestlers have some sort of legacy...this will be the Undertaker's...however, I would like to see him stop at 20...and I would bet that is the plan!
The BoyBlunder
03/17/2011, 08:30
Found his entrance to it on Youtube. To be honest, I prefer the funeral march. The Johnny Cash entrance is less intimidating, though it makes him feel more like a face.
turdburglar47
03/18/2011, 04:34
Found his entrance to it on Youtube. To be honest, I prefer the funeral march. The Johnny Cash entrance is less intimidating, though it makes him feel more like a face.
Less intimidating, sure. But a heck of a lot more interesting.
I like the funeral march, too, and when it goes back to that, I'll be fine with it. But Johnny Cash (especially older Cash like this) makes it much more about the Undertaker's longevity, his incredible career and evokes that feeling that he ain't gonna be around all that much longer, despite the lyrics.
Thrumble Funk
03/18/2011, 11:11
Less intimidating, sure. But a heck of a lot more interesting.
I like the funeral march, too, and when it goes back to that, I'll be fine with it. But Johnny Cash (especially older Cash like this) makes it much more about the Undertaker's longevity, his incredible career and evokes that feeling that he ain't gonna be around all that much longer, despite the lyrics.
Yep, this.
Still, nowadays, a UT entrance is a cue for me to do something else for 10 minutes. It is the Pink Floyd song intro of ring entrances.
PaxZRake
03/18/2011, 11:30
The only way I can see myself caring about Taker/Trips is if it turns in Kane/Sheamus tagging against Taker/Trips.
And I like the sound of that even if I'm sick of Kane/Taker fueding.
michiganj24
03/19/2011, 23:01
Personally I would have rather Taker/Kane vs HHH and Sheamus
The only way I can see myself caring about Taker/Trips is if it turns in Kane/Sheamus tagging against Taker/Trips.
And I like the sound of that even if I'm sick of Kane/Taker fueding.
Found this and thought I'd share
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9vw99tQ7LY&NR=1
Also cat's out of the bag
Part 1 the incident
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjHtxPew5Os
Part 2 the back fire
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSpDvvtxGzs&feature=related
They're so full of it.
Saying that UFC isn't entertainment because it's real, or that it isn't in competition with the WWE because they are different forms of entertainment, is just simply fallacious and stupid.
Frankly, I don't think even he believes what he said.
They're so full of it.
Saying that UFC isn't entertainment because it's real, or that it isn't in competition with the WWE because they are different forms of entertainment, is just simply fallacious and stupid.
Frankly, I don't think even he believes what he said.
I smell an angle being set up for Wrestlemania XXVIII maybe Brock costs HHH the match so Brock can end the streak next year when his contract is up
Thrumble Funk
03/21/2011, 22:11
Brock's kind of an afterthought in the WWE at this point. They haven't really maintained any sort of legacy for him that I can see. No DVD (post-leaving), no Legends contract, no replays...
MechaFan
03/22/2011, 04:57
There is only one man who should end Undertaker's streak and that man is Undertaker himself. In other words no one will end his streak.
michiganj24
03/22/2011, 05:46
Well the Legends contract is a no go as long as he works for the UFC. There was actually a scheduled Brock DVD (to capitalize on his UFC persona) before he went got his butt kicked in his last bout and lost his momenteum
Brock's kind of an afterthought in the WWE at this point. They haven't really maintained any sort of legacy for him that I can see. No DVD (post-leaving), no Legends contract, no replays...
Thrumble Funk
03/22/2011, 11:22
There is only one man who should end Undertaker's streak and that man is Undertaker himself. In other words no one will end his streak.
He chokeslams himself!
JackAssterson
03/22/2011, 11:49
There is only one man who should end Undertaker's streak and that man is Undertaker himself. In other words no one will end his streak.
I don't know about that...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCiQi6Mz8T4
Fredwood
03/22/2011, 18:07
20-0 and then retire. No one should beat him, period, it would be really cool if they let him retire as champion too, but that won't happen either. Also bring back Evil Taker, although I don't know what Chainz is doing now a days, and I doubt McMahon would hire him I'm sure he likes his neck too much.
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