Exclusive Preview! - GSX Hulk [Archive]

robedestroyer

02/28/2011, 11:21

Holy Moley! That power allowing friendlies to mind control, though circumstantial, could prove very useful. If he is almost dead, mind control him and regenerate, then he can go ahead and attack. He also is not the guy to attack first on your team, let him go last so he gets the bonus to his attack during that special attack power.

For viewing ease...

#051 R Hulk
Team: No Affiliation
Range: 0 :bolt:
Points: 199
Keywords: Brute, Horsemen of Apocalypse, Monster, Warrior
m-normala-normald-indomitableg-normal812185811185810174810174710174710174791637916379163KOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKO:star:The Second Horseman: War Modify Hulk's attack value by +1 until the end of the turn for each opposing character who took damage from an attack this turn.
Attack - Here's Your Friend Back: Give Hulk a close combat action that deals no damage. If it hits, place the target in a square adjacent to an opposing character who is within 10 squares and line of fire. Then make a ranged combat attack against that second opposing character, even if that attack would normally be illegal. If this second attack hits, deal both characters 3 penetrating damage.
Damage - Brainwashed: Friendly characters may target Hulk with Mind Control.

Mr. Cranberry

02/28/2011, 11:26

Found a bruiser for my Mind Control teams! Huzzah!

Azrael0626

02/28/2011, 11:26

Very nice! When I saw the figure, I expected a deeper dial, but it is great for 199 points. "Here's Your Friend Back" is awesome! I can't wait to try him out.

dlinquent

02/28/2011, 11:27

This dude is amazing! I can't wait for this set already.

HH2011003

02/28/2011, 11:28

So now does the "Brainwashed" SP mean that he can - if Mind Controlled by a teammate - be given multiple actions in the same turn?

kryptonboy

02/28/2011, 11:28

Six clix of Impervious! SIX!!

The Darkstone

02/28/2011, 11:29

Mother of God

DS-00-0, FSD

02/28/2011, 11:29

pepper

02/28/2011, 11:30

Awesome, I love that special attack power, hulk can still be adjacent to a third character to make that ranged target attack It will be furn to knock people out of hindering. Indomitable:d-indomitable: is awesome with those powers. No scientist keyword...

Thanks for the podcast.

its still not up on heroclix.com ....

MegaLotusMan

02/28/2011, 11:30

Magnificent...

bootknocka20

02/28/2011, 11:30

I think that Hulk will definately be a force in a sealed event, but he might be a little too easy to outwit and take down in competitive games.

Still, a good figure that I can't wait to play.

charlesx

02/28/2011, 11:31

Wow, that's 199 points fulla HURT!!! :cool:

eelnoside

02/28/2011, 11:31

Oh ####!
That Is Awesome!

Thrumble Funk

02/28/2011, 11:31

Hmmmm. Except for the B/C/F and Brainwashed, he's pretty much a representation for Hulk that could be used for any time during his existance.

Keywords might limit his overall versatility but still a solid bruiser...

Hell, the mind control power captures late-70's/early-80's era Hulk to a tee! Villains would routinely trick Hulk into helping them.

ctrosejr

02/28/2011, 11:31

Wow. His opening attack, defense and damage values are amazing. Add in his trait, and it's crazy insane.

Being more of a DC guy, GSX has not been flipping my switches, but this is a MUST-HAVE figure.

GRENDELX

02/28/2011, 11:31

I was very excited that they were making this piece becaulse I lovedddd the story-line. I was expecting a 300 point behemoth just based on his power level being the first person to make the Juggernaut stop, but this is really good. Nice job Wizkids, glad I pre-ordered two cases.

Thrumble Funk

02/28/2011, 11:32

I think that Hulk will definately be a force in a sealed event, but he might be a little too easy to outwit and take down in competitive games.

Still, a good figure that I can't wait to play.

Yeah, he's got close combat brick syndrome to be sure, but I think he'll be able to weather assaults a bit better than others.

robedestroyer

02/28/2011, 11:32

So is this our surprise or is this separate from what the article said last week?

This is a very reasonable 200 point figure.

Kaitouace

02/28/2011, 11:33

Pretty awesome for his points but not particularly representative of the character. It's pretty much just Hulk with a sword. But definitely a better Hulk than most.

Ihsan

02/28/2011, 11:34

I would like to join in the chorus of people shouting "Holy -!"

Thrumble Funk

02/28/2011, 11:34

Pretty awesome for his points but not particularly representative of the character. It's pretty much just Hulk with a sword. But definitely a better Hulk than most.

Yeah, he's definitely the Sinestro Corps Batman of the Marvel U (was in ONE issue - count 'em, ONE). Still, progress!

eelnoside

02/28/2011, 11:35

i would want to see Hulk against Atrocitus. i think it would be an EPIC battle.

Stainawarjar

02/28/2011, 11:35

He can easily have a 15 attack value on that first click... that is bananas!

saturnflight

02/28/2011, 11:36

Wow... that's fantastic. This set has pulled a lot of "wow"s from my lips. That's a good sign...

Love the special allowing his pals to Mind Control him. That will see a lot of use.

His throwing power is equally incredible.

I have no idea how you'll ever fit 4 horsemen on a team (much less Apocalypse) if this is how they treat them!

Thrumble Funk

02/28/2011, 11:36

Clclix

02/28/2011, 11:37

Wow, he is really nice. They keep giving us really good Brute/Monster Characters here. I definitely want one. Darn it, I was hoping I would not like this one.

enter aqua

02/28/2011, 11:39

omgomgomgomgomgomgomhg!!!!!

enter aqua

02/28/2011, 11:40

alright thats it ima preorder a brick

songwriterz

02/28/2011, 11:41

Holy Mother of Pearl! I just squee-ed my pants! He has Imperv until he reaches Regen!

Here's Your Friend Back - EPIC EFFIN LOL!!!

Lofcutus

02/28/2011, 11:42

Sah-freakin'-weet!

RavenProject

02/28/2011, 11:42

Awesome, I love that special attack power, that means you dont' have to have line of fire and it cuts through stealth and hulk can still be adjacent to a third character to make that ranged target attack.
Close, but it doesn't ignore Stealth. The SP requires "an opposing character who is within 10 squares and line of fire." Stealth would prevent line of fire.

No chucking Superman at Batman.

You are correct about being adjacent to a third character, however. The "would normally be illegal" clause also has another application: You can drop the "thrown" figure between yourself and the target and still make the attack.

Hm... could Hulk use this ability with an object instead of a character? "HULK BEND IT LIKE BECKHAM!"

-J

lancelot

02/28/2011, 11:43

clameire

02/28/2011, 11:44

the SP where he throws an opponent to another seems a soooo badly worded and confusing... will surely generate alot of misunderstanding and errata...

but otherwise, this is a great hulk

Thrumble Funk

02/28/2011, 11:45

Someone explain to me why MCing your own figure is an awesome tactic...if only to have Hulk act repeatedly during the same turn?

That'd be the idea. MCed Regen is just fantastic.

HH2011003

02/28/2011, 11:45

Jarimy123

02/28/2011, 11:45

Woah...............

smurftacular

02/28/2011, 11:45

they said on the clixcast that you would be able to make the ranged attack against people in stealth

robedestroyer

02/28/2011, 11:46

Someone explain to me why MCing your own figure is an awesome tactic...if only to have Hulk act repeatedly during the same turn?

I'd just as soon as Regenerate right off those clicks...he's all but on his knees by then.

Because you could MC him to regenerate, then have him make an attack on his own. That's why it would be so good or at least circumstantially good.

anonym0use

02/28/2011, 11:48

they said on the clixcast that you would be able to make the ranged attack against people in stealth

I don't know that clixcast makes the rules...

EvilTwinSkippy

02/28/2011, 11:49

Yay!!! What a Monster!

Thank you, WizKids!

songwriterz

02/28/2011, 11:49

they said on the clixcast that you would be able to make the ranged attack against people in stealth

Here, Batman - here's your Superman back. ***KRACKADOOOM***

Aronskrull

02/28/2011, 11:51

Was already looking forward to this set, now I really hope I get my taxes back in time to get a full case, plus half a dozen + superboosters..

DrugSex

02/28/2011, 11:51

Great dial... I don't like the sado-g@y sculpt so i'll swap it.

lancelot

02/28/2011, 11:51

Because you could MC him to regenerate, then have him make an attack on his own. That's why it would be so good or at least circumstantially good.

I don't know.

Action #1, he swings.

Action #2, I MC him to regenerate and take 1 click (199 points).

Free Action, he regenerates.

Action #3, I MC him to swing, taking another click (199 points).

I don't think so...I'm slapping Auto-Regen on him.

mike_houghton

02/28/2011, 11:52

Whats the point of the S and M mask? Look its a 9 foot tall green giant raging on everyone. Who is it?

Like wearing glasses makes the World not see you are Superman.

Other than that

SWEEETTTTE JEBUS

fearofanubis

02/28/2011, 11:53

Wow I was hoping he'll be easy to obtain he'll be expensive now....:(

Thrumble Funk

02/28/2011, 11:53

Whats the point of the S and M mask? Look its a 9 foot tall green giant raging on everyone. Who is it?

Apparently Apoc isn't the best fashion designer. Probably won't be on Project Runway anytime soon.

DarthPezley

02/28/2011, 11:54

Just in case it needs to be said..

HULK AM STRONGEST ONE THERE IS!

Thrumble Funk

02/28/2011, 11:54

Wow I was hoping he'll be easy to obtain he'll be expensive now....:(

I'm REALLY hoping I pull him from my case. I would have played him/wanted him regardless of dial, but it looks like I'll have my work cut out for me!

songwriterz

02/28/2011, 11:56

LOL - Nightcrawler + WHulk + Auto Regen = 298 points of win!!!

robedestroyer

02/28/2011, 11:56

I don't know.

I don't think so...I'm slapping Auto-Regen on him.

This is how I was imagining it working...

Action 1: I MC him to regenerate, take 1 damage (199 points)

Action 2: Hulk attacks (or if Regen went poorly regenerate again)

The benefit here is that this is Modern Age legal whereas Feats are not. True in Golden Age this guy screams for Automatic Regeneration.

mike_houghton

02/28/2011, 11:57

Crap... I want all three of the SRS previewed so far :( Sad panda

Milo Garret

02/28/2011, 11:57

Other than the robot characters, this is the one figure I hope to pull. It's going to be that much harder with 2 less normal boosters per brick :( (unless the remaining 6 SRs are indeed the colossals)

spider_ham

02/28/2011, 11:57

Now, this is a great representation of Hulk. He works as a standard version, as the BCF can easily be interpreted as a Flurry-type attack. Six clicks of Impervious for just under 200 points easily makes him the toughest bruiser in his point class.

The end-dial SP is a great way for Hulk to use Regeneration in the event he can't use feats (Auto-Regen, Healing Factor) and would otherwise have to push to heal, and avoids any damage he might be dealt as the target of Compel.

Bravo, WK!

Deathblossom

02/28/2011, 11:58

I think somebody just shot ahead of Magneto and The Captain on my "Most Wanted SR" list for this set...

longshott

02/28/2011, 11:58

I for one love this piece. And if i am not mistaken he was apocalypse's only horseman at the time. So his point cost can still work with monsters and mutations apocalypse

NeoShazam

02/28/2011, 11:59

Thankfully he suffers from Outwit and Hindering terrain (when he isn't carried), but he's still gonna be really annoying to play again.

Being able to easily Regen to Impervious is tough to face.

Glad the location of Mind Control is way down there too, otherwise he'd be totally out of control.

Steelmage2000

02/28/2011, 11:59

His dial:

#051 R Hulk
Team: No Affiliation
Range: 0 :bolt:
Points: 199
Keywords: Brute, Horsemen of Apocalypse, Monster, Warrior
m-normala-normald-indomitableg-normal812185811185810174810174710174710174791637916379163KOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKO:star:The Second Horseman: War Modify Hulk's attack value by +1 until the end of the turn for each opposing character who took damage from an attack this turn.
Attack - Here's Your Friend Back: Give Hulk a close combat action that deals no damage. If it hits, place the target in a square adjacent to an opposing character who is within 10 squares and line of fire. Then make a ranged combat attack against that second opposing character, even if that attack would normally be illegal. If this second attack hits, deal both characters 3 penetrating damage.
Damage - Brainwashed: Friendly characters may target Hulk with Mind Control.

Is it long, and more representing of the Hulk.

karnage

02/28/2011, 11:59

199? and brainwash ability? queen Agapo likes him lol.

Overdrive

02/28/2011, 12:00

I'm having heart palpitations over this. One of my favorite mini-story arcs from my favorite writer of my favorite character comes to Clix, and he's unbelievably amazing.

When I saw this preview, I got in trouble at work for shouting out loudly enough to annoy my coworkers. But I don't care. War Hulk is incredible.

What an awesome design. Exactly enough points that friendly Mind Control maximizes effect for one 1 feedback damage. Incredible attack and damage, with the potential of skyrocketing the attack even higher when his allies are also on the hunt. A fantastic take on Hulk at range, dealing damage right through reducers as he tosses Absorbing Man at Juggernaut. Six damage between two characters! SIX!!!

I don't know how I can wait for this set any longer. I need to be sedated.

wonderboy8917

02/28/2011, 12:00

MegaLotusMan

02/28/2011, 12:00

LOL - Nightcrawler + WHulk + Auto Regen = 298 points of win!!!

Night crawler pulls them in, hulk send them right back out

TOE-NEE

02/28/2011, 12:00

YES!!! Let's have a set where the X-Men are the focus of it and let's not preview any of the X-Men team figures.

Thrumble Funk

02/28/2011, 12:01

LOL - Nightcrawler + WHulk + Auto Regen = 298 points of win!!!

I think I heard the munchkins just throw up a cheer.

CapnMorgan

02/28/2011, 12:02

I think nova blasting Nimrod just found a new best friend!

MegaLotusMan

02/28/2011, 12:02

"even if that attack would normally be illegal"....wow, what a line for a special power. A line that says break whatever rules you want, it don't matter. LOL.

If I'm reading this right, it means he can not only shoot at stealth guys, but he can even shoot out of adjacency when bases by multiple opponents. Pretty interesting to see how ofter this will become useful.

The problem is while the attack itself can be illegal, you still need to be able to target the opponent to activate it.
it really sounds like it will not work against stealth

Monitor616

02/28/2011, 12:02

As I said in my jumping the gun post, not sure what I think of the Brainwashed sp, but I'll withhold judgement until I see it in play. Otherwise, the dial looks beastly whilst the sculpt is definitely interesting.

red king

02/28/2011, 12:04

Yup, gots to get 2 of these.

hair10

02/28/2011, 12:08

Clickin'nutz!

02/28/2011, 12:09

A Hulk well worth his cost in points, and a fun new adaptation on the figure, really excited for this one!

spike1138

02/28/2011, 12:10

Just looking at the wording of the Brainwashing SP, too, I don't see a "once per turn" restriction. Hmmm... sounds like you could throw him on a team with a bunch of Nurses, then have him alternate between attacking/regenerating numerous times.

I'm certain someone will clarify things for me...it sounds too good to be true. :)

EDIT: Wait. The friendly characters must already possess/use Mind Control, right? So Cuckoos yes, Nurses no. (I have officially confused myself...)

KillerSavage

02/28/2011, 12:12

Wow... undercosted much?

And why can't game design (or playtesters, for that matter) spot obvious wording issues? Does the "who is within 10 squares and line of fire" (I thought we got rid of LOF for LOS?) refer to Hulk or the target opposing character? Errata, here we come! :rolleyes:
I don't remember getting rid of LOF for LOS. Ive seen Norm say heroclix doesn't use LOS only LOF and that he wasn't sure what the difference is.

Thrumble Funk

02/28/2011, 12:14

TheMooCow

02/28/2011, 12:16

an illegal attack would be anything you couldn't do because of line of fire being blocked or not being drawn. He ignores the fact that he doesnt have a 10 range and battle fury. He totally sees through the stealth because line of fire being blocked would technically make the attack illegal

hair10

02/28/2011, 12:16

I don't remember getting rid of LOF for LOS. Ive seen Norm say heroclix doesn't use LOS only LOF and that he wasn't sure what the difference is.

I could be wrong on that (I've always used LOF myself) but I thought we had a rulebook awhile back (LoSH, FF?) that removed all references to LOF and replaced them with LOS.

maddragon13

02/28/2011, 12:20

Not bad. His special power that lets him throw figures at other opposing figures for penetrating damage is nice, Now lets see how the Wolverine Horsemen is... :grin:

wintremute

02/28/2011, 12:21

Nice toenails.

mike_houghton

02/28/2011, 12:22

Okay HAIR10 here is line of fire for you

If anyone is in my LoF when I go to get my case for this figure, they better get out of my LoS :P Or else I will be Mike Smash.

songwriterz

02/28/2011, 12:24

Not bad. His special power that lets him throw figures at other opposing figures for penetrating damage is nice, Now lets see how the Wolverine Horsemen is... :grin:

No, he places (throws) an opposing character next to another opposing character and the Psy-blasts them both for 3 penetrating damage each!

hair10

02/28/2011, 12:27

"Who" refers to an opposing character.
I get that "who" refers to the 1st opposing character being attacked. It's the rest of it that's ambiguous. Is the second opposing character within 10 squares and LOF from the Hulk? Or within 10 squares and LOF from the 1st opposing character?

KillerSavage

02/28/2011, 12:27

I could be wrong on that (I've always used LOF myself) but I thought we had a rulebook awhile back (LoSH, FF?) that removed all references to LOF and replaced them with LOS.
I've been known to be wrong plenty but I think it's still LoF. I know for a little while many people were typing LoS and were being corrected. Whatever difference there is between the two is marginal I think though. I think the only difference it would make is elevated terrain wouldn't be invisible to giants if a figure wasn't occupying that type of terrain. I could be wrong on that though.

thugit

02/28/2011, 12:28

Bane plans on snapping Hulk in two, then hollowing the beast's chest out to make a chariot. He will then use the rest of the Horsemen as actual horse-men to pull his chariot, rampaging across the land, naming his new mode of transport "Hulk on Wheels." He will only stop when the horse-men require water or the lash of their new master. You have been warned, "Hulk."

red king

02/28/2011, 12:35

Someone explain to me why MCing your own figure is an awesome tactic...if only to have Hulk act repeatedly during the same turn?

I'd just as soon as Regenerate right off those clicks...he's all but on his knees by then.

you could have him attack once more to finish that guy who you diddnt quite kill and next turn you have to clear. The MCer can regen or have you attack again. It is built in compel but with no click damage to take, very nice.

And every MCer you have could make him act every turn. Each! If you have 2 MCers you can have Hulk attack, then MC 1 then MC 2. Think of the damage potential!

Cold-Midnight

02/28/2011, 12:36

Hmmmm. Except for the B/C/F and Brainwashed, he's pretty much a representation for Hulk that could be used for any time during his existance.

Keywords might limit his overall versatility but still a solid bruiser...

How many keywords did you want he has brute, monster and warrior. Were you hoping for scientist? Come on this is hulk at his nastiest, 6 clicks of imprevious with indom. If I were lucky enough to pull two I would expect to be struck by lightning as soon as I stepped outside!

songwriterz

02/28/2011, 12:37

How many keywords did you want he has brute, monster and warrior. Were you hoping for scientist? Come on this is hulk at his nastiest, 6 clicks of imprevious with indom. If I were lucky enough to pull two I would expect to be struck by lightning as soon as I stepped outside!

Don't take them outside with you.

I wouldn't want them to get melted.

Dark_Knight

02/28/2011, 12:37

First indomitable Hulk, no? Green/Grey Hulks that is because we're not going to count Red Hulk, i.e., because Jeph Loeb sucks ... at life ...

SlayerOfAres

02/28/2011, 12:39

Hulk strongest there, Hulk Break rules like a box of cereal!

Farceur

02/28/2011, 12:40

6 clicks of impervious?!?! This guy is going to be a nightmare.

Hero_guy

02/28/2011, 12:40

Awesome, I love that special attack power, that means you dont' have to have line of fire and it cuts through stealth and hulk can still be adjacent to a third character to make that ranged target attack. Indomitable:d-indomitable: is awesome with those powers. No scientist keyword...

Thanks for the podcast.

its still not up on heroclix.com ....

I'm not entirely sure that is correct. The power says to "place the target in a square adjacent to an opposing character who is within 10 squares and line of fire".

To me the 10 squares and clear LoF reads as prerequisites to which opposing character the target of the close combat action can be placed. So if an opposing figure is in stealth, it can't have the "thrown" character placed next to it because Hulk has no LoF to him.

Crow

02/28/2011, 12:41

The Hulk wearing a suit of armor is like wrapping a brick in tissue paper.

ibeatdrew

02/28/2011, 12:42

The problem is while the attack itself can be illegal, you still need to be able to target the opponent to activate it.
it really sounds like it will not work against stealth

Agree...Gudda commented on that after the podcast he thought about it and realized he has battle fury on some of those clix so he ouldn't be able to make a ranged attack, that part of the rules is for that part of the attack we believe.

neutralmarkhot

02/28/2011, 12:44

Close, but it doesn't ignore Stealth. The SP requires "an opposing character who is within 10 squares and line of fire." Stealth would prevent line of fire.
No chucking Superman at Batman.

I'd agree with this. The initial "throw" could not be done if the figure you're targeting is in Stealth. And it seems you can't even get around it even if there was another character adjacent to the Stealthy figure, since the SP specifies the attack must be made against "that second opposing character."

My question is:

A
O
O
O
O
O
B
H

A and B are opposing characters, O = clear terrain, H = Hulk. If Hulk makes a successful attack and can "place" figure B, does he have LoF to A or not? Does it work like TK where the target figure does not block LoF to the square it's being moved to?

Thrumble Funk

02/28/2011, 12:45

First indomitable Hulk, no? Green/Grey Hulks that is because we're not going to count Red Hulk, i.e., because Jeph Loeb sucks ... at life ...

But Rulk under Jeff Parker's able pen is gold thus far! Give it a try! TON of fun!

Thrumble Funk

02/28/2011, 12:46

songwriterz

02/28/2011, 12:48

Hulk plans on eating Bane. Literally. Like a Caribbean drumstick.

WHulk: Bane is good snack. When dinner ready?

anonym0use

02/28/2011, 12:51

Agree...Gudda commented on that after the podcast he thought about it and realized he has battle fury on some of those clix so he ouldn't be able to make a ranged attack, that part of the rules is for that part of the attack we believe.

Regarding some of the podcast comments (especially re: his SP) - I feel this figure is geared towards > 300 point games. I know 300 is the "litmus test" we use to benchmark characters, but it's obvious (to me) HoA Hulk (that's Horsemen of Apocalypse) just begs to be played with Apocalypse and 3 more HoA's.

In 300 he's not going to be too threatening to a well balanced team, but then most ~200 point figures in 300 aren't.

One of my golden rules of 'Clix is:

"Never invest in a character that is more than half the build total."

And I stand by that here. Impervious helps Hulk prevent getting out actioned, but you're still investing 66% of your force in a 9 click figure. In a 400 point game he'll have more help making that trait work when he needs it most.

WarHULK

02/28/2011, 12:53

Not quite what I was expecting but after mulling over the dial for a few minutes he's definately a good, fun little figure. I'll have fun experimenting with him!

obesesniper93

02/28/2011, 12:55

Do not underestimate Bane, he has well over A dozen names on his kill list in only TWO weeks at my venue(thugit's keeping tally ;)).

I like Warhulk, but I doubt I ever play him. not my style.

Thrumble Funk

02/28/2011, 13:01

Do not underestimate Bane, he has well over A dozen names on his kill list in only TWO weeks at my venue(thugit's keeping tally ;)).

I like Warhulk, but I doubt I ever play him. not my style.

Oh I love me some Bane. Going to mod one into a breakdancing pose when I get motivated.

Taibak

02/28/2011, 13:06

So, for the Brainwash ability, do the friendly characters actually need to have Mind Control? I mean, suppose the Hulk is on a team with both Professor X and Magneto. Would both be able to Mind Control the Hulk?

And don't get too worked up about that ability: the Mind Controller will still take a point of feedback damage so there's at least *some* balance there.

tokay1king

02/28/2011, 13:06

dont think I would use him unless to play him on a horseman of apocalypse theme team for the simple fact he is too damn broken! and to pepper, actually it does say you NEED line of fire, so it doesn't ignore stealth, sorry.

tokay1king

02/28/2011, 13:10

At taibak, it might actually take 2 points of feedback damage if you add feat cards to the hulks total. Let's face it, no one dare not run the hulk without some form of protection for him!

konasavage

02/28/2011, 13:13

Soooooooo brainwash lets him go multiple times per turn, already on top of :d-indomitable:. Plus, it will let him go when he is double tokened as well. This gives him 5 attacks in 3 rounds of play, if you only have one mind controller....

mkweaver

02/28/2011, 13:13

Yeah, this version is extremely amazing.

Maybe the next Power Girl revision needs to be a super rare... this Hulk seems like a much better use of 199 points... darn it...

Thanks for reading!

Turanthor

02/28/2011, 13:15

Americaaaa $*@& Yeah!! Not an XMen fan so wasnt planning on buying a brick, but that just changed....

Awesome Hulk. He will be good to team up with Rampaging Hulk in big games. Rampager L/Cs over and quakes then WHulk rolls with a 14-15 and cleans up.

littlebitte

02/28/2011, 13:15

Give Hulk a close combat action that deals no damage. If it hits, place the target in a square adjacent to an opposing character who is within 10 squares and line of fire. Then make a ranged combat attack against that second opposing character, even if that attack would normally be illegal. If this second attack hits, deal both characters 3 penetrating damage.

This doesn't break stealth. Here are the steps:

1) You make an attack against an adjacent enemy. (Technically, it doesn't specify enemy, so can it be used against an object? I'm not sure here. What about an immobile object?)
2) If it hits, see if there is another enemy within 10 squares and line of fire. This excludes anyone in stealth, since they are not in line of fire. You place the first character anywhere adjacent to this second one.
3) At this point, rules don't matter. You ignore things like adjacency (if someone else is next to Hulk), Battle Fury, or line of fire (so you can put the first target in between Hulk and the second). I don't think there's anything else that might prevent this. Note that you don't need line of fire to the first character anymore, so you can place them behind the second if you want. So you now make a ranged combat attack roll against the second character. Since it's ranged, things like hindering and Energy Shield/Deflection apply.
4) If the second attack hits, both characters are dealt 3 penetrating damage. This is great for smashing two hard targets with lower defenses against each other, or for taking out someone a distance away with Combat Reflexes. Or, since someone adjacent (and not in stealth) is also in line of fire, you could conceivably pick up one guy and smash him into another enemy also basing you. It's a pretty versatile power!

Ultim8 Avenger

02/28/2011, 13:20

eat it DC! EAT IT!

tokay1king

02/28/2011, 13:22

@thrumble hulk- Hulk is the harder hitter by far, but bane has a lil something called outwit. And that is after bane venom pumps his AV and DV to max (13 and 6 respectively). Can you say "equalizer"?

obesesniper93

02/28/2011, 13:23

I DONT think you can use his attack SP against an object, since it reads:
"If this second attack hits, deal both characters 3 penetrating damage."

SO: it specifically states that both targets were characters... I may be wrong, but that's how I would interpret it.

elfholme

02/28/2011, 13:28

Wow. That is an awesome Hulk! Love the Trait AND the Attack SP.

DrugSex

02/28/2011, 13:32

thugit

02/28/2011, 13:33

Hulk plans on eating Bane. Literally. Like a Caribbean drumstick.

Bane believes that a Hulk in armor is like a dog wearing clothes, or a woman with ambition--cute, but harmless.

Hubbard

02/28/2011, 13:35

eat it DC! EAT IT!

LOL.

Sculpt is great. In sealed he should be near unstoppable.

Bubblehead

02/28/2011, 13:36

Is it wrong that I think I'm looking at one of the bad guys from Double Dragon or as Lucky Musolino said, a boss from Ninja Gaiden (the O.G.)?

Mr. Cranberry

02/28/2011, 13:46

I'll love this guy paired with a :bolt::bolt::bolt: MC figure. MC him and the opposing figs. Do the basic attacking of their own team, then Hulk finishes off the last one.

T Rez

02/28/2011, 13:46

eat it DC! EAT IT!

Seriously. This guy is ridiculous for the points. Looking at him just reminds me how bad Superboy Prime needs a remake. No way he's worth paying over 100 points more than this guy.

thunderhole

02/28/2011, 13:53

There seems to be some question on the intent and wording of the Brainwashed SP. As an English teacher, I should be teaching my class, but I will give the way the power is worded:

Friendly characters may target Hulk with Mind Control.

Basically the way this is worded indicates ANY friendly character can target Hulk with Mind control. That means, yes, a nurse could target him with Mind Control.

Had the power been worded:

Friendly characters with Mind Control may target Hulk, then it would be completely different. In this case, only friendly characters with Mind Control can use it to target Hulk. So, a nurse could not.

As you can see, one wording is much more restrictive than the other. If the intent was to have only characters with Mind Control traget Hulk, then the phrase "with Mind Control" has been misplaced. I guess we'll have to wait until an official ruling, but, as it stands, I would rule that any friendly character can target Hulk with Mind Control.

gatharion

02/28/2011, 13:57

I like the idea of Hulk throwing someone (and wouldn't even mind seeing it on a few other super strong brutes, but perhaps with less than 10 range), but I don't get why it does Penetrating damage. That seems a bit over-the top and not really idiomatic with what's presumably occurring. I think just dealing them both three damage would have been fine.

For my two cents, it seems clear to me that he can't throw someone at anyone who is protected by Stealth.

Thankfully he suffers from Outwit and Hindering terrain (when he isn't carried),

All the Battle Fury will severely limit his carryability. If you don't have a TKer then one might wish to consider using Swingline.

Yeah, this version is extremely amazing.

Maybe the next Power Girl revision needs to be a super rare... this Hulk seems like a much better use of 199 points... darn it...

...yeah...The sad thing is that Power Girl only came out a year ago, it's not like we're comparing HoA Hulk to Hypertime figure.

I think HoA Hulk should be 20-50 points more and that Power Girl should be 20-50 points less.

Of course slightly higher attack values across the board and some limited range and it would have been a very good Powergirl. (To go on even more of a tangent, it's a bit of shame that her "Eyes up here, soldier" doesn't work on Robots, because Aaron Stack would be mesmerized by those things. :p)

sinistersex

02/28/2011, 13:58

Bane believes that a Hulk in armor is like a dog wearing clothes, or a woman with ambition--cute, but harmless.

Have fun waiting 2 sets bub!

On a side note, Bane looks eerily similar to the 'gimp' in Pulp Fiction. But a little less buff.

RedLanternHulk

02/28/2011, 13:58

*Cries* I'M SO HAPPY!!! I'M SOOO HAAAAPPPPYYYYYYYY!!!!!! THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR FOR SO LONG!! THIS IS THE HULK I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR FOR SOOOOOO LOOOOONNNGGG! AND IT'S ALMOST HERE!!! I'M SO HAPPY!!!! *Cries*

Sentinel25

02/28/2011, 14:01

It is illegal to make an attack against a target that has successfully rolled shapechange, no? ;)

songwriterz

02/28/2011, 14:06

It is illegal to make an attack against a target that has successfully rolled shapechange, no? ;)

No Shape Change for you!

TheDarkJediX

02/28/2011, 14:17

SSSSSQQQQUUUUUEEEEEEE...*ahem*
Sorry for that, I'm sure people just heard some kind of high pitch noise in their living rooms...that was me...after seeing this and having a bit of a fanboy moment, expect a louder noise when we see the dial for Cable/Deadpool and an even louder one when I eventually get my Cable/Deadpool

BLACKHEART25

02/28/2011, 14:18

Dark_Knight

02/28/2011, 14:20

Is it wrong that I think I'm looking at one of the bad guys from Double Dragon or as Lucky Musolino said, a boss from Ninja Gaiden (the O.G.)?

Speaking of, a Ryu Hayabusa Clix Piece would be oh so awesome and would get rocked on all of my teams ... all. my. teams ;)

turdburglar47

02/28/2011, 14:21

Not quite what I was expecting but after mulling over the dial for a few minutes he's definately a good, fun little figure. I'll have fun experimenting with him!

I am excited about this figure, but it saddens me that you seem disappointed by your namesake fig.

songwriterz

02/28/2011, 14:23

Disgustingly good.

Could this be the most comic accurate hulk we've had to date finally? Barring B/C/F I would think so.

LoL at the Bane comments....I like Bane, but even he should no who the strongest is!

Seriously, Bane is literally killing himself to even damage the Hulk - who will then kill him in return, Regen (if its even needed), and then go kill some more.

Quoth Josey Wales "Dyin' ain't much of a livin', boy."

Dark_Knight

02/28/2011, 14:26

On a side note, Bane looks eerily similar to the 'gimp' in Pulp Fiction. But a little less buff.

As talked about via interview with Tom Hardy on Alan Carr: Chatty Man

http://batman-news.com/2011/02/21/tom-hardy-talks-bane-and-the-dark-knight-rises-on-alan-carr-chatty-man/

BLACKHEART25

02/28/2011, 14:30

All I can say now is that I'm extremely excited for Mystique, Juggernaut and Archangel now!! Neca has killed it when it comes to comicbook accuracy (for the most part) or at least let you get the "feel" of the character.

Iceman425

02/28/2011, 14:36

@ClixCast:

I have a Warrior team that's never lost...I'll take on your Teen team...;)

Azrael0626

02/28/2011, 14:36

I am excited about this figure, but it saddens me that you seem disappointed by your namesake fig.

While this figure is exceptionally good for the points and will be a beast on the battlefield for sure, it could have easily been 11 clicks deep and closer to 300 points. I think that may be where his disappointment lies or I could be completely off. I'm thinking that they may have kept the dial a little shorter to keep the point cost down, so that he could fit into a team with the other Horsemen.

thjimmy

02/28/2011, 14:44

I think that Hulk will definately be a force in a sealed event, but he might be a little too easy to outwit and take down in competitive games.

Still, a good figure that I can't wait to play.

He'll be great in high-point games. It will be tough to get a lot of help from his trait otherwise.

turdburglar47

02/28/2011, 14:45

While this figure is exceptionally good for the points and will be a beast on the battlefield for sure, it could have easily been 11 clicks deep and closer to 300 points. I think that may be where his disappointment lies or I could be completely off. I'm thinking that they may have kept the dial a little shorter to keep the point cost down, so that he could fit into a team with the other Horsemen.

I can certainly see that point very well. But also, given the fact that this guy was basically in just ONE issue ever (that I know of), I can also see where they wanted to save the 11 click (hell, I'd like him on a 2x2 dial with many more clix) ultra Hulk for an actual classic version of the guy we've seen for 40 years.

That said, the fig isn't my namesake, so I don't have quite as much invested in it (despite being a big Hulk nerd).

cdunn100

02/28/2011, 14:52

In Golden Age this guy will be a beast with just one feat: Fortitude! Vampirism for fun maybe, or auto-regen for the same three clicks of his dial, so maybe not Vampirism, but Fortitude is a must for me on any tentpole. I'm gonna hate fighting him as my brother is a big fan of constructing mean Hulk teams.

2 Gun Kid

02/28/2011, 14:55

Good...but I think characters who are mind controlled should never be indomitable.

DeGei

02/28/2011, 15:06

DeGei

02/28/2011, 15:08

Good...but I think characters who are mind controlled should never be indomitable.

This would be one of the few exceptions, Hulk has been conditioned for a specific weakness to it.

The Feat Indomitable works with the Ability Indomitable now if you play with someone who has a "fetish" for Mind Control, as you might say, and uses it regularily.

Overdrive

02/28/2011, 15:17

I can certainly see that point very well. But also, given the fact that this guy was basically in just ONE issue ever (that I know of), I can also see where they wanted to save the 11 click (hell, I'd like him on a 2x2 dial with many more clix) ultra Hulk for an actual classic version of the guy we've seen for 40 years.

That said, the fig isn't my namesake, so I don't have quite as much invested in it (despite being a big Hulk nerd).

Blasphemy! Why, if you could the cover and final panel of Incredible Hulk #456, he appears in TWO issues!!!

:)

I absolutely agree with you here, though. Not making him a truly Godly force is the right move for a version of the character who only appeared very briefly, and who by nature should be designed as a team member (with other Horsemen, though Apoc didn't have others at the time).

For that matter, it's largely a matter of speculation just what Apocalypse's "enhancements" really consisted of anyway. People often credit Apoc's tech with being what enabled Hulk to stop the Juggernaut, but at the time Hulk was becoming increasingly a conduit for the energies of the Heroes Reborn-verse, which was continually increasing his strength. The green glow that kicked in before Jugs was stopped continued long after Hulk had torn off the War armor, right up until Hulk & Banner were reunited. Hard to credit Apoc with that.

Nothing in the comic specifically states that War was any more than a coerced (not even really controlled) Hulk with some goofy armor, a big exploding (later) sword and an unnecessary whip. For what it's worth, this figure is a fantastic representation of that.

I love this piece. I need this piece. Hulk rules.

Azrael0626

02/28/2011, 15:28

robedestroyer

02/28/2011, 15:30

I think "Here is your friend back" could target Stealth Characters. It states, "...to an opposing character who is within 10 squares & Line of Fire..." It never states "Draw a clear Line of Fire to..." which is usually the phrasing that activates Stealth.

To make an attack, you need to have line of fire. He can't draw a line of fire to a character in stealth, therefore he can't make an attack against that "stealthed" character. In order for Hulk to make an attack against an opposing character, whether the attack is legal or illegal, he first must have a line of fire to that character.

Here's Your Friend Back will not work against characters in stealth. It is all dependent upon timing of when you check for line of fire and making an attack and whether that attack is legal or not. One more attempt to explain it would be this...

First you need line of fire (you don't have that against stealthed characters), then if you do have line of fire (against stealthed characters you don't), you can make your legal or illegal attack against both opposing characters.

Well, that's how I read it.

But I could try to explain it one more time. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IU1bzZheWk)

DarkLordVerjal

02/28/2011, 15:32

SON OF A *****.... Damn Marvel and their lowish point Bruisers that can COMPLETELY wreck ANY DC bruiser. The DC fan in me is crying in the corner, but the Heroclix player in me is salivating...

UltraDRGN

02/28/2011, 15:37

So THAT's what Doomsday looks like without the Superman Enemy team ability bloating his cost...

The figure does seem a little too good for his points, but an 8 movement with not being able to be carried will hopefully keep him in check.

He does seem to blow Red Hulk and Green Scar out of the water for 10% less points, although admittedly their roles are very different.

turdburglar47

02/28/2011, 15:37

Blasphemy! Why, if you could the cover and final panel of Incredible Hulk #456, he appears in TWO issues!!!

:)

That was a Hulk nerd test, and I KNEW somebody would call me on that. :a-duo:

And I'll defer to you on the details since it's been a while since I read it - I thought the Heroes Reborn Nexus stuff was killing him, not strengthening him, but I also didn't remember that this happened during Heroes Reborn at all, so I'm not as trustworthy a source.

Overdrive

02/28/2011, 15:41

That was a Hulk nerd test, and I KNEW somebody would call me on that. :a-duo:

And I'll defer to you on the details since it's been a while since I read it - I thought the Heroes Reborn Nexus stuff was killing him, not strengthening him, but I also didn't remember that this happened during Heroes Reborn at all, so I'm not as trustworthy a source.

In fairness, it was strengthening him AND killing him. Doctor Strange observed that Hulk would keep getting stronger but ultimately die. Hulk seemed pretty cool with that, but he was kinda emo at the time.

Thanks for the test - gotta stay sharp in case....no, there's really no real-world application of random Hulk trivia that I know of.

bluesummers

02/28/2011, 15:42

SON OF A *****.... Damn Marvel and their lowish point Bruisers that can COMPLETELY wreck ANY DC bruiser. The DC fan in me is crying in the corner, but the Heroclix player in me is salivating...

Ehhh, I'm pretty sure any of the big HSS bricks DC OR Marvel have can run circles around Hulkie here. But, he is a fun 200 points.

Mon_ami

02/28/2011, 16:00

How about TRICKSHOT.

Plasticity is on every "here's your friend back" SP click

Hulk is even nastier.

songwriterz

02/28/2011, 16:05

How about TRICKSHOT.

Plasticity is on every "here's your friend back" SP click

Hulk is even nastier.

Rep!NinjaNinja

WarHULK

02/28/2011, 16:07

I am excited about this figure, but it saddens me that you seem disappointed by your namesake fig.

Oh, I'm not disappointed, really. This is just a case of "managed expectations". This is a character I never expected to see clixed and, in my mind, figured he would be a bit different.

My biggest problem with the dial is one that plagues most Hulk dials and that is lack of mobility. No L/C trait and only two clicks of charge.

Having said that, I do enjoy the dial. I like the potential for mayhem and it is nice to have a cheaper Hulk that can really mess up someone's day. The SPs are all very fun!

UndeadEnigma

02/28/2011, 16:34

WAR! HUUH! Good God yall, what is it good for? Absolutely HULKIN! Say it again!

Ahem, that is a very reasonable representation of Dr. Banner when he's out of his own mind. I think I will endeavor to achieve one.

Turanthor

02/28/2011, 16:36

My biggest problem with the dial is one that plagues most Hulk dials and that is lack of mobility. No L/C trait and only two clicks of charge.

Having said that, I do enjoy the dial. I like the potential for mayhem and it is nice to have a cheaper Hulk that can really mess up someone's day. The SPs are all very fun!

Exactly, now that they have traits, there should never be another Hulk that doesnt have L/C, or some variation thereof. Lack of mobility plagues Hulk figs indeed.

Now that he can throw characters 10 squares, they should make a Hulk that has an SP allowing him to throw objects, even heavies, 10 squares as well.

GrimlockX

02/28/2011, 16:37

You really can't ask for much more. The sheer amount of damage reduction and potential damage dealing is monstrous. Pair him with Emma Frost and some stealthy Outwitters and this will be a serious force.

Artarus

02/28/2011, 16:38

As with all bricks.. outwit hurts him.. but name a piece that isn't Powers Cosmic or Q that isn't.. for 200 points he brings the pain.. the "here's your friend back" power is awesome and could really change the face of a game in a hurry.. it's great for dealing with annoying tie up pieces.. the Mind control power could also come into play at key moments.. MC to regen.. or get him into position for an attack or to simply attack twice..

Two words.. Bru-tal..

Bubblehead

02/28/2011, 16:39

That was a Hulk nerd test, and I KNEW somebody would call me on that. :a-duo:

Okay, Professor. :cheeky:

ipod

02/28/2011, 16:46

how much will this bad boy go for def the 2 best fig right under maggs .

Batarang96

02/28/2011, 16:49

HOW is he cheaper than the RED HULK???!!!!

songwriterz

02/28/2011, 16:52

how much will this bad boy go for def the 2 best fig right under maggs .

"Oh stewardess! I speak jive gibberish."

I wonder how much this truly awesome piece will sell for on the open market. It is definitely the second best figure in GSX, second only to Magneto.

robedestroyer

02/28/2011, 16:52

HOW is he cheaper than the RED HULK???!!!!

I blame Loeb.

Overdrive

02/28/2011, 17:22

HOW is he cheaper than the RED HULK???!!!!

I see there being three possibilities:
A) It's a combination of...

The fact that Red Hulk has slightly higher average values for speed, defense and damage
Damage reduction is perhaps much costlier than Regen, but Impervious isn't much costlier than Invulnerability
Charge is perhaps costlier than Plasticity
Poison and Perplex are perhaps very costly and BCF is perhaps not
The "Major Earthquake" SP was perhaps deemed much costlier than any of War Hulk's SPs/Trait
Battle Fury brings cost down, even on figures who hardly lose much by it

B) Cost is at least partly related to the average values and capacities of the other pieces in the set; meaning that Red Hulk is more dominating in the context of WoS than War Hulk is in the context of GSX (purely speculative, of course)
c) The designers just wanted it that way.

The above might sound sarcastic, but it isn't intended to be - I honestly do feel War Hulk is a much better use of points than Rulk, but I don't know the formula, providing there is one...

KillingJoke

02/28/2011, 18:01

All of those lovely powers for under 200 pts.! I knew green was my favorite color for a good reason. Glad I pre-ordered my case + 2 extra supers. Crossing fingers for magneto too.

spider_ham

02/28/2011, 18:01

Any friendly characters with Energy Explosion are going to be Hulk's best friend, as a single successful EE attack could easily deal 3 or more combined/splash damage, maxing out Hulk's damage in a single action via the "War" trait.

A situational tactic, but effective if executed properly.

RedMonkey13

02/28/2011, 18:05

dariusq

02/28/2011, 18:14

Yikes! I never thought I'd say a 199pt character was cheap! Mobility is a minor hinderance for this Hulk but he gains so much offensive power its mind blowing that he is under 200pts. And speaking of mind blowing, self-MC is just added sauce for the goose. Hulk as War is a stupid character, but that's a Marvel problem not a HC one. At least his dial is awesome.

GrimlockX

02/28/2011, 18:30

Does anybody recall the Horsemen of Apocalypse roster in which the Hulk was War? Or which comic books depicted the Hulk as a horsemen. Until this click was announced I had no idea Hulk or Wolvie were slaves of Apocalypse.

If I remember right it was only a stand-alone story where Hulk fought Juggernaut and Absorbing Man as War. Hulk broke from Apoc's control after accidentally hurting Rick Jones in the process.

Wolverine became Death in a later story-arc. His compatriots were:
Ahab=Famine
Deathbird=War
Caliban=Pestilence

thugit

02/28/2011, 18:44

Have fun waiting 2 sets bub! If this in reference to the Superman set: Bane will not only tug on Superman's cape, he will tie all four corners of the cape together, fill it with quarters and Kryptonite, and beat Kal-El unconscious with it. He will then take Lois Lane out for a lovely steak dinner, to a play of Bane's choosing, and then make love to her, breaking her back. She will know true pleasure, and she will never call anyone else "super" again.

clameire

02/28/2011, 18:53

that means you dont' have to have line of fire and it cuts through stealth

NO, you have to read the power more carefully and apply what is written line by line *without* trying to think. That's what collectible games are, and that's what ruling and wording are.
It states that you have to *first* to draw a line of fire. Then make a range attack, and i think if they say "even if it's illegal" it's because hulk has no range and has battle fury, so that allows you to ignore that and make the range attack anyway.

But i still think this power is complicated, and silly worded, and many many many people will, like you, misundertand it
So there will be tons of questions, and again, alot of arguments during play, especially the initial sealed event when the figure is new.
NECA should learn to word power so that people don't get confuse over them.

clameire

02/28/2011, 18:55

I see there being three possibilities:
c) The designers just wanted it that way.

this possibility is the more likely.

i'll add that *there is no such thing as a point calculator* and they just make whatever they want with the costs of figures... and they deliberately makes some figures more cost effective than others.

clameire

02/28/2011, 19:00

but I don't get why it does Penetrating damage.

That's true...

Too much fan love for the big green guy from the game designer is the only explanation i can think of for those penetrating damages...

Nekron

02/28/2011, 19:16

I guess he's ok

rwint1968

02/28/2011, 19:33

Wow, that Hulk looks like he's gonna be awesome!

:cool:

Superfly

02/28/2011, 19:36

Better than I expected him to be. Hate the costume and the issues that this version sprang from, but this guy looks like fun to play. Not the most accurate Hulk dial, but I definitely hope I pull one.

balmy138

02/28/2011, 20:02

Sploosh!!!

combatninja

02/28/2011, 20:23

Holy ####! Hulk is a freaking beast.

Magneticlaw

02/28/2011, 20:28

For about the same point total, he certainly trumps Maestro, doesn't he?

Magneticlaw

02/28/2011, 20:35

NO, you have to read the power more carefully and apply what is written line by line *without* trying to think. That's what collectible games are, and that's what ruling and wording are.
It states that you have to *first* to draw a line of fire. Then make a range attack, and i think if they say "even if it's illegal" it's because hulk has no range and has battle fury, so that allows you to ignore that and make the range attack anyway.

But i still think this power is complicated, and silly worded, and many many many people will, like you, misundertand it
So there will be tons of questions, and again, alot of arguments during play, especially the initial sealed event when the figure is new.
NECA should learn to word power so that people don't get confuse over them.

The one application in the wording that I have come up with so far is being able to bypass shapechange/skrulls/special powers: 'even if that attack would normally be illegal', but you still need to be able to 'see' the target(draw line of fire), so, no bypassing stealth. It'll be interesting to see if the wording of this power can cause as much confusion as Larfleeze has!

miracleman83

02/28/2011, 20:47

I love BCF, but the end-dial BCF feels like kind of a waste; end-game, wouldn't I rather just swing for a sure three that's more likely than not going to KO an opposing fig? Other than that, this is one monster of a clix. Between Elsa, the Captain and Hulk, GSX is looking like it's gonna have a ton of amazing close combat pieces.

Sentinel25

02/28/2011, 20:50

The one application in the wording that I have come up with so far is being able to bypass shapechange/skrulls/special powers: 'even if that attack would normally be illegal', but you still need to be able to 'see' the target(draw line of fire), so, no bypassing stealth. It'll be interesting to see if the wording of this power can cause as much confusion as Larfleeze has!

it would also ignore the camouflage feat. Camouflage blocks LoF only for ranged attacks, not for anything else (outwit, perplex, etc.), so the thrown character can be placed adjacent and then let the illegality commence! It also ignores Magneto's range-halving defense.

Mongoose

02/28/2011, 20:50

I'm kinda miffed on the special power, "here's your friend back". Is it Hulk that is making the ranged attack, as he has no range, not to mention battle fury on that portion of the dial? If so, that means he can attack with a 10 range, even against an opponent that he can not legally shoot behind. That would make him a sick tentpole if so.

Happy they made another good Hulk, unhappy that he's a super rare.

Kite-Man

02/28/2011, 20:53

What's with the penetrating damage?
If my Rookie Vanisher lands on my Red Hulk, I don't see why Rulk should take three clicks of penetrating damage.

Anyway, I look forward to Outwitting him and killing him with The Owl or some other scrub.

WhoaDirty

02/28/2011, 21:06

it would also ignore the camouflage feat. Camouflage blocks LoF only for ranged attacks, not for anything else (outwit, perplex, etc.), so the thrown character can be placed adjacent and then let the illegality commence! It also ignores Magneto's range-halving defense.

His SP is funny because it means that he can make a ranged attack on his boss Apocalypse even if Apoc has Camouflage. :)

larthosgrr8

02/28/2011, 21:15

What's with the pentetrating damage?
If my Rookie Vanisher lands on my Red Hulk, I don't see why Rulk should take three clicks of penetrating damage.

Anyway, I look forward to Outwitting him and killing him with The Owl or some other scrub.

because when someone like the hulk throws anything, you feel it! ohh and most figures can be beat by the owl when they have been outwitted.

tyroclix

02/28/2011, 22:06

Petros76

02/28/2011, 22:20

I can't wait to see either of the Wolverines and see what they can do comparatively (Death's dial vs. War's dial).

larthosgrr8

02/28/2011, 23:02

Hopefully the high-cost fans are a little content with WarHulk.

He seems all right. A little Hulk-like but not enough for me to likely use him. My son will be excited - so that's good.

Attack SP seems convoluted. Curious as to the issue that made this a "must".

For me this is the least exciting piece so far - but congrats to all the fans for getting this version of Hulk. Enjoy!

i think ppl are excited because it gives him lots of options. he can snipe a sniper with his sp, or an injured enemy that just broke away. the best part is it gets that brick(probably juggernaut out of your face OR, it send him over to that friendly wolverine that's being tied up but some generic.

not only will the generic take 3(almost killing it probably), but juggy will take 3 straight through, and then ur wolvie can follow up. you can also set up a shot for your sniper as well. moving them on elevated(maybe) of a place where ee, or pulse wave would be good. it's all about the options. no other standard grounded brick gives you these options, period!

T Rez

02/28/2011, 23:25

As talked about via interview with Tom Hardy on Alan Carr: Chatty Man

http://batman-news.com/2011/02/21/tom-hardy-talks-bane-and-the-dark-knight-rises-on-alan-carr-chatty-man/

Gotta love how only white people are allowed in DC movies. Bane is a latino in the comics and Ra's Al ghul is middle eastern.

Next thing you know we will see GL John Stewart played by an Australian white guy.

Terman8er

02/28/2011, 23:39

Wow...color me impressed. Now THIS is a Hulk to be proud of.

Wait for it...

I love the pseudo-ranged attack..not sure I get why it's pentrating damage though.

You know it's coming...

And I agree that stealth does protect you from his SP attack.

Can you feel it?

But 199 points? Oh my dear and fluffy lord!! What in the heck did Power Girl do to deserve such WizKid hate? Really? DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN!!!

*pant pant pant*

I'm OK now...back to your regularly scheduled Hulk review.

robedestroyer

03/01/2011, 00:08

But 199 points? Oh my dear and fluffy lord!! What in the heck did Power Girl do to deserve such WizKid hate? Really? DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN!!!

Is this how you feel? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9W6YPih0SA&feature=related)

hpred

03/01/2011, 00:12

So now does the "Brainwashed" SP mean that he can - if Mind Controlled by a teammate - be given multiple actions in the same turn?

Amora the Enchantress is in love. Hulk is under 200 points so she only takes 1 damage from her new MC toy. And if he is a friendly it don't matter with his SP.

:m-boot:ENCHANTING: Enchantress can use Mind Control. If she does, she takes 1 damage for each 200 points of the successfully hit targets' combined point value, instead of each 100 points.

hpred

03/01/2011, 00:17

I love the pseudo-ranged attack..not sure I get why it's pentrating damage though.

Do you know how it feels to be hit in the chest by a .50 cal round at point blank range. I don't either but I bet that's what it would be feeling like after HULK throws somebody at you and they connect.

Clixjunkie

03/01/2011, 00:19

Here's Your Friend Back

See, this SP is what TK should have been able to do since day 1. (not the penetrating part.)

How many times have you had a character with TK and you want to be able to slam the target into another character/wall.??

This should have been included with the redo of TK waaaaaay back.

robedestroyer

03/01/2011, 00:19

Amora the Enchantress is in love. Hulk is under 200 points so she only takes 1 damage from her new MC toy. And if he is a friendly it don't matter with his SP.

:m-boot:ENCHANTING: Enchantress can use Mind Control. If she does, she takes 1 damage for each 200 points of the successfully hit targets' combined point value, instead of each 100 points.

Enchantress wouldn't take any damage until she MC's at least 200 points worth of characters. So no damage from only MC'ing Hulk.

bludd72

03/01/2011, 00:23

WOW. :o

first, the sculpt is just f'n cool.
second, being able to mind control your own fig (without cardboard) is just plain awesomeness.....especially when your fave power in clix is MC :devious:
third, the other SP is just plain craziness!
can't wait to play me some WARHULK :grin:

edit: eventhough friendlies can MC Hulk....wouldn't they still have to take damage as if they were MCing an opposing fig?

vamroc

03/01/2011, 00:48

Hopefully the high-cost fans are a little content with WarHulk.

He seems all right. A little Hulk-like but not enough for me to likely use him. My son will be excited - so that's good.

Attack SP seems convoluted. Curious as to the issue that made this a "must".

For me this is the least exciting piece so far - but congrats to all the fans for getting this version of Hulk. Enjoy!

Fortitude
Trick Shot so hulk IGNORES charactors, stealth, and team abilities that duplicate those powers and can make a ranged attack even if that attack is illegal. In other words EAT A BRICK & CHOKE COSMIC SPIDER-MAN
Auto- Regen
Lunge

In high point games he's a wrecking machine and in sealed he as close to as auto win as possible it's that medium range build that's going to be a problem. Because in order to exploit what makes him so damn good your going to have to not equip Fortitude (Thanks a lot STUPID 10% Rule) and for a brick as dangerous as this one is not having Fortitude is a kin to handing the figure over to the opponent.

Terman8er

03/01/2011, 01:11

Do you know how it feels to be hit in the chest by a .50 cal round at point blank range. I don't either but I bet that's what it would be feeling like after HULK throws somebody at you and they connect.

And this would bother Superman how?

One word for you: "Ping!"

Mokole

03/01/2011, 01:54

Terman8er

03/01/2011, 02:06

No matter how weak or fragile a thrown object is to begin with even a piece of straw can impale a barn door or a cow. 2x4's can go through trees. Cards can go through watermelons. Etc., Etc., so on so on, so forth...

Not sure if you are speaking in reference to my Superman comment so I can only presume you are.

And if so...can you think of any normal human, if thrown at Superman, that would actually hurt him?

I mean really, I don't care who throws that watermelon up against that Battleship's hull all it is gonna do is go SPLAT! Hull, fine, if a little sticky.

Superman, "Ewww...what is all this...*shock*...who is this all over me???"

gatharion

03/01/2011, 02:12

because when someone like the hulk throws anything, you feel it!

Which is why I'm fine with it doing three damage. Even Superman would "feel" that. Being able to basically cripple Superman/Thor/etc by throwing Lian Harper at them....eh...doesn't quite work for me.

Kite-Man

03/01/2011, 02:32

Doctor Diesel

03/01/2011, 03:17

Superman, "Ewww...what is all this...*shock*...who is this all over me???"
There you go then, it represents the psychological damage he takes :cheeky:

On topic:
Good dial, great sculpt (horrid costume, but that's not really relevant).

Really looking forward to dual target MC'ing Hulk and an opposing figure to have that figure MC Hulk for regen, taking 1 point of feedback, before Hulk thanks him/her with a 50k PSI kidney shot.

Thorgrin

03/01/2011, 04:05

Last I remember, Superman takes damage from magic, right? Hulk throws someone with magical abilities @ Supes. Hence Supes takes penetrating damage. Or Metallo. Or someone holding Kryptonite (say Batman unique from HT).

Unfortuantely, unless you want to have a card that has 5 pages to it and specially explaining which characters and what circumstances it would prevail, this is the best you get. I mean do we really want to start a figure by figure analysis? I mean why would Supes heat rays work on people that can manipulate or withstand heat? Or Mr. Freeze being able to affect Iceman.

As to your comment about a watermelon against a battleship hull, maybe, maybe not. Depends on the velocity of the watermelon. Really just a matter of physics. Of course we have no idea on how fast or hard Hulk (or any comic book hero/villain) can realistically throw something, but that's the fun of comic books and Heroclix.

Adding "realism" to a non-realistic environment is just a bad argument/debate to even start.

Not sure if you are speaking in reference to my Superman comment so I can only presume you are.

And if so...can you think of any normal human, if thrown at Superman, that would actually hurt him?

I mean really, I don't care who throws that watermelon up against that Battleship's hull all it is gonna do is go SPLAT! Hull, fine, if a little sticky.

Superman, "Ewww...what is all this...*shock*...who is this all over me???"

Thorgrin

03/01/2011, 04:09

Terman8er

03/01/2011, 04:29

Last I remember, Superman takes damage from magic, right?

No.

Unfortuantely, unless you want to have a card that has 5 pages to it and specially explaining which characters and what circumstances it would prevail, this is the best you get.

No, simply remove the word "penetrating" and everything is fixed.

As to your comment about a watermelon against a battleship hull, maybe, maybe not. Depends on the velocity of the watermelon. Really just a matter of physics. Of course we have no idea on how fast or hard Hulk (or any comic book hero/villain) can realistically throw something, but that's the fun of comic books and Heroclix.

If you want to delve into the physics we can. Suffice it to say there is no way anything/anyone can propel a watermelon fast enough to hurt Superman/pierce a battleship's hull. The friction generated when thrown that hard (if you use a watermelon mass and factor in the velocity required for something of that mass to damage the hull of a battleship hull) would destroy the watermelon.

Adding "realism" to a non-realistic environment is just a bad argument/debate to even start.[/QUOTE]

Captain Krueger

03/01/2011, 06:04

What the Hell is THAT thing ?
I like Hulk as much as anybody else, but this is too much. His end dial will allow him to destroy whole teams during a single turn of paired with a few Mind Controller. And his other SP is completly off the charts too : 3 penetrating damage to 2 targets at 10 squares ? REALLY ? Even Magneto SP won't stop that from happening since the "within 10 square" is not a range value.
"Oh ! Look at that, master of magnetism, you left your bystander friend near me in thinking it would be safer ! Take it in the face now along with 3 penetrating damage. How' that safer ?"
Too much for the point, IMO.

clameire

03/01/2011, 06:48

well at least in modern play mental controllers will take damages for controlling him since he is over 100 pts

Terman8er

03/01/2011, 07:31

well at least in modern play mental controllers will take damages for controlling him since he is over 100 pts

The Enchantress would disagree with you.

cfarns0610

03/01/2011, 07:53

I am sooooo glad that I bought 8 cases for my store! If I only get 1 of him he is mine! Some figures are just meant to be kept. He has to be 1 of them. I sell Deadpools all day long, but this 1 will stay put with my M&M Apocalypse!!!!!!!!!! Cable / Deadpool will have to be the other 1 that stays with me!

UltraDRGN

03/01/2011, 08:15

Which is why I'm fine with it doing three damage. Even Superman would "feel" that. Being able to basically cripple Superman/Thor/etc by throwing Lian Harper at them....eh...doesn't quite work for me.

Pro tip: Do not base War Hulk with Lian Harper.

And his other SP is completly off the charts too : 3 penetrating damage to 2 targets at 10 squares ? REALLY ? Even Magneto SP won't stop that from happening since the "within 10 square" is not a range value.

Eh, he's down to a 10 attack and he has to hit BOTH characters to deal any damage to either of them. Megneto is sitting at his 20 defense and feeling pretty safe.

elfholme

03/01/2011, 08:16

The Arachnid

03/01/2011, 09:40

Holy Crow and Tom Servo! That's a lot of pain! I've always wondered if they would make a clix of this incarnation of Hulk. Does that mean they plan to make a Wolvie Death and Caliban Pestilence?

thugit

03/01/2011, 09:42

Gotta love how only white people are allowed in DC movies. Bane is a latino in the comics and Ra's Al ghul is middle eastern.

Next thing you know we will see GL John Stewart played by an Australian white guy.

<sigh> I'm already tired of hearing this nonsense. Bane was born to a latino mother, but his father was a white man. The idea that only a latino could/should play him is silly. Like every person on this Earth, Bane has a mixed heritage.

songwriterz

03/01/2011, 09:45

<sigh> I'm already tired of hearing this nonsense. Bane was born to a latino mother, but his father was a white man. The idea that only a latino could/should play him is silly. Like every person on this Earth, Bane has a mixed heritage.

Word!

My great grandfather was Irish. He married a full blood Cherokee. I guess they can't make a movie about my life until they find another Irish Cherokee out there.

And until I do something movie worthy. :(

thugit

03/01/2011, 09:45

Sorry for taking the thread off of the rails...I'll move along now.

gimlicolby

03/01/2011, 09:51

I had quit for a while because of too any hobbies and games. Now that I have a new son my time is extremely reduced, especially weekends. My only free day is Thursdays. My local store, Allthingsfun, has heroclix tourneys on Thursdays. They had a great post about GSX and the more I read the more I missed clix. So I am back...and I think at the right time. I have always been a marvel fan.

On a related note, I really wanted the Magneto to make a brotherhood team but now that Whulk is something special. I have bought a case and if I only get one super rare may it be Whulk! Whulk dominate! Lick Whulks boots!

gatharion

03/01/2011, 11:10

Personally anyone playing Lian or pogs deserves what they get. If it's hulk being able to use them as a human cannonball, so be it. Again, to a point in another post, unless we want to start creating rulebooks of figures for just specific instances, why bother on specific cases?

So it's ok for Hulk to throw Ultron (made of adamantium) at, say, a Symbiote (with toughness)? How granular do we want to get here?

Superman was just an example, a go to for someone everyone knows is invincible. I don't think Ultron's Adamantium shell should suddenly get ignored either. I think it would be absolutely fair and as comic-accurate as HC can get if Ultron took one damage and the symbiote took two.

Lian was just an example as well, a personal bias against people using pogs doesn't justify Hulk doing penetrating damage via hurdled flesh-bombs.

Clearly it's a moot point, the figure is out of play testing, has been sculpted, painted, shipped from China, and will be in people's hands in just over two weeks.
If you like that War Hulk can do Penetrating with his hurdled person attack, well then, bully for you.

Those of us who think it's a bit over the top are dung out of luck, aren't we?

Thrumble Funk

03/01/2011, 11:50

If you like that War Hulk can do Penetrating with his hurdled person attack, well then, bully for you.

Those of us who think it's a bit over the top are dung out of luck, aren't we?

Eh, I do.

If it didn't do penetrating damage, people would kvetch about it being a useless power (even though it would give Hulk range).

gatharion

03/01/2011, 12:33

Eh, I do.

If it didn't do penetrating damage, people would kvetch about it being a useless power (even though it would give Hulk range).

Really? You think that being able to do 6 damage at ten range, even when not normally being able to make such an attack, AND rearrange the battlefield layout wouldn't look like a good power to most people?

vamroc

03/01/2011, 12:56

No.

Actually Superman does have a weakness to magic it's one of the reasons he had to trick Emperor Joker into giving up his powers before beating the snot out of Mista J

UniqueLoginNamor

03/01/2011, 12:59

<sigh> I'm already tired of hearing this nonsense. Bane was born to a latino mother, but his father was a white man. The idea that only a latino could/should play him is silly. Like every person on this Earth, Bane has a mixed heritage.

Not that's it's relevant to anything but the guy who played Kingpin was a great fit even though he was a different race than the chaarcter in the comics

gatharion

03/01/2011, 13:02

Actually Superman does have a weakness to magic it's one of the reasons he had to trick Emperor Joker into giving up his powers before beating the snot out of Mista J

It of course, vasilates between writers, but my understand is that it's not that Superman has a "weakness" to magic, but more that he doesn't have any special defense against it.

Basically, magic spells can be cast against him and used to hurt him, just like they would anybody else.

bullseye100

03/01/2011, 13:07

All I can say is Holy Mackerel, OMG, and WTfunk!

elfholme

03/01/2011, 13:11

vamroc

03/01/2011, 14:06

Can someone provide the reference for the power? Evidently he threw someone at a teammate and said that in one of the comics...? Anyone know the specifics? That might help figure out whether the power is warranted. Maybe someone was thrown at Colossus or Juggernaut and knocked him out? That would seem to be Penetrating Damage...but again, I don't know the specifics.
Oh, it's warranted alright
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c324/Hulk3389/hulk457-stopsjuggernaut.jpg
War Hulk is from the Heroes Reborn era after Onslaught separated the Hulk from Banner both mentally & physically. Banner now being a powerless human decided to jump into Onslaught and help absorb his energy. But Banner still retained a tentative connection to the Hulk that allowed the Hulk to absorb energy from the "Heroes Reborn" universe. This energy made The Hulk far stronger and for the first time he was truly alone. A lot of people didn't care for the direction of the Hulk during this time because he was morose and a borderline villain in his own book. However on a happy note it was during this run that we got introduced to a new group of "heroes" THE THUNDERBOLTS who are sent by the government to take down The Hulk.

songwriterz

03/01/2011, 14:09

Oh, it's warranted alright
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c324/Hulk3389/hulk457-stopsjuggernaut.jpg

Awesome! Rep! What comic is that from?

Overdrive

03/01/2011, 14:44

Awesome! Rep! What comic is that from?

It's from Incredible Hulk #457, which is a continuation of the story from I.H. #456.

For what it's worth, though, I don't think Hulk ever actually said "Here's your friend back" in that issue....at the time, he was tossing Juggernaut into the middle of Cairo, not at somebody specifically...memory could be failing me, though...

War Hulk is from the Heroes Reborn era after Onslaught separated the Hulk from Banner both mentally & physically. Banner now being a powerless human decided to jump into Onslaught and help absorb his energy. But Banner still retained a tentative connection to the Hulk that allowed the Hulk to absorb energy from the "Heroes Reborn" universe. This energy made The Hulk far stronger and for the first time he was truly alone. A lot of people didn't care for the direction of the Hulk during this time because he was morose and a borderline villain in his own book. However on a happy note it was during this run that we got introduced to a new group of "heroes" THE THUNDERBOLTS who are sent by the government to take down The Hulk.

I just wanted to put a plug in for this storyline - I think it was one of the Hulk's better ones after the end of the Gray Hulk period, and certainly had lots of memorable moments. The "Hulk Island" issues - where Hulk takes over one of the Florida keys - is classic storytelling, issue #455 with the X-Men is hi-larious, and the whole arc has a gloomy but significant feel. I really like it. Actually, the "War" issues are probably the worst (most gimmick-y), but even they are cool.

vamroc

03/01/2011, 15:01

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vamroc

03/01/2011, 15:08

It's from Incredible Hulk #457, which is a continuation of the story from I.H. #456.

For what it's worth, though, I don't think Hulk ever actually said "Here's your friend back" in that issue....at the time, he was tossing Juggernaut into the middle of Cairo, not at somebody specifically...memory could be failing me, though...

I just wanted to put a plug in for this storyline - I think it was one of the Hulk's better ones after the end of the Gray Hulk period, and certainly had lots of memorable moments. The "Hulk Island" issues - where Hulk takes over one of the Florida keys - is classic storytelling, issue #455 with the X-Men is hi-larious, and the whole arc has a gloomy but significant feel. I really like it. Actually, the "War" issues are probably the worst (most gimmick-y), but even they are cool.
Hey, I'm right there with you I've got that whole arc starting with issue 446 (I forgot to buy issue 445 before starting my subscription)

Mr.x_20xx

03/01/2011, 15:24

Really? You think that being able to do 6 damage at ten range, even when not normally being able to make such an attack, AND rearrange the battlefield layout wouldn't look like a good power to most people?

Yeah I have to agree, if it wasn't for the unreasonable penatrating damage, he's power would be rather limited. You have to remember that if it wasn't for the penetrating its only 3 and 3 which would be reducable. Additionaly he has to hit both targets (nevermind things like Reflexes, ESD, and Senses). Meanwhile he is tossing away a potential target (as he has to run over to them now), meanwhile he could be hitting for 4-6 on that target already sitting in front of him, much better against an armord foe.

Overdrive

03/01/2011, 15:27

Incidentally, I think it would just be awesome to toss a Madrox at another Madrox, and result in there being four Madroxes left in a heap! Not good to multiply your opponents like that, but it would be so cool....

GrimlockX

03/01/2011, 17:05

Ok, at least it's a bit more reasonable to say that he's charged up with Celestial energy, and therefore deals penetrating damage in this manner. Sort of like a pseudo-Gambit type of ability. This could potentially fall in line with the Superman argument where the damage could be seen as coming from a magical/cosmic source, both of which should cause Supes some damage.

tyroclix

03/01/2011, 19:03

In high point games he's a wrecking machine and in sealed he as close to as auto win as possible it's that medium range build that's going to be a problem. Because in order to exploit what makes him so damn good your going to have to not equip Fortitude (Thanks a lot STUPID 10% Rule) and for a brick as dangerous as this one is not having Fortitude is a kin to handing the figure over to the opponent.

By "issue that made his SP a must", I was referring to what in the comics was so needed that the SP had to be worded this way.

Regarding its significance, its a neat potential option, but only on low defensive pieces. Hulk has an average attack value and he needs to make 2 attack rolls to pull off this special maneuver.

Under optimal circumstances, it could be neat - targeting all those 16 and under defense figures. But once you go to an average defense, if I was using this Hulk I don't think I'd be quick to use it unless I was really desperate.

You gotta figure you are facing a keyword theme team (seems so many people use them) and so that re-roll on the second attack could easily be worked for 2 "saves". Sure, you could use his SP as a way to break away from opposing figures, but much like Force Blast and a 4 damage, how often do you want to give up the damaging attack?

Again, congrats to fans. He might be neat in sealed but I don't see me fielding him in lieu of any other Hulks we already have.

Either way I will have something to contribute to the eventual "Better Than / Worse Than Expected" thread for GSX. Can't wait for tomorrow's preview!!!

manofatoms

03/01/2011, 20:35

am i right it think u can bypass damage reduecer on the first figure

WarHULK

03/01/2011, 21:11

Just some info for those questioning the penatrating damage, he was fighting Juggernaut and Absorbing Man in the story. It would be awfully disappointing if he was only dealing 3 reduceable damage for all of 1-0 damage after rolling two attacks. If anything, I wish he had EW instead of BF on most of his clicks!

Hellfire117

03/01/2011, 22:01

Were getting the 4 horsemen!!!!!!!

nivlac713

03/01/2011, 22:26

By "issue that made his SP a must", I was referring to what in the comics was so needed that the SP had to be worded this way.

Regarding its significance, its a neat potential option, but only on low defensive pieces. Hulk has an average attack value and he needs to make 2 attack rolls to pull off this special maneuver.

Under optimal circumstances, it could be neat - targeting all those 16 and under defense figures. But once you go to an average defense, if I was using this Hulk I don't think I'd be quick to use it unless I was really desperate.

You gotta figure you are facing a keyword theme team (seems so many people use them) and so that re-roll on the second attack could easily be worked for 2 "saves". Sure, you could use his SP as a way to break away from opposing figures, but much like Force Blast and a 4 damage, how often do you want to give up the damaging attack?

Again, congrats to fans. He might be neat in sealed but I don't see me fielding him in lieu of any other Hulks we already have.

Either way I will have something to contribute to the eventual "Better Than / Worse Than Expected" thread for GSX. Can't wait for tomorrow's preview!!!

Look at his trait again dude. Just have three little crap pieces on the team and have them attack first. He is now a 13 attack on the SP clicks. I think this Hulk is WAY better then most of the others so far, and I am totally stoked for him! I still like my GreenScar, but this one is much more versitile and cheaper to boot. Too early to say obviously, but I think this is the top tiered Hulk now. Just me though.

Emerald City Mark

03/01/2011, 22:34

Props to the dial designer for the "Here's Your Friend Back" SP. Very cool idea!

Terman8er

03/01/2011, 23:29

Actually Superman does have a weakness to magic it's one of the reasons he had to trick Emperor Joker into giving up his powers before beating the snot out of Mista J

Short Answer: No.

Long Answer: No, he doesn't. Superman is as "weak" against magic as anyone else not immune to it (Think Jared Fate...not too much, you could hurt yourself :) ).

The basic answer is: Superman while not "vulnerable" to magic is not "invulnerable" to magic. And that, kind sir, is a huge difference.

A comic example: If Thor drops Mjolnir on Superman's foot. Nada. If Wonder Woman drops her uber KC sword on his foot...."OFF WITH HIS FOOT!!!"

Why? Mjolnir has no magic property/enchantment that increases it's damage while WW's sword does. Black Knight's ebony blade would cleave Superman...as it would Thor. Does that make Thor "weak" against magic?

vamroc

03/01/2011, 23:53

By "issue that made his SP a must", I was referring to what in the comics was so needed that the SP had to be worded this way.

Regarding its significance, its a neat potential option, but only on low defensive pieces. Hulk has an average attack value and he needs to make 2 attack rolls to pull off this special maneuver.

Under optimal circumstances, it could be neat - targeting all those 16 and under defense figures. But once you go to an average defense, if I was using this Hulk I don't think I'd be quick to use it unless I was really desperate.

You gotta figure you are facing a keyword theme team (seems so many people use them) and so that re-roll on the second attack could easily be worked for 2 "saves". Sure, you could use his SP as a way to break away from opposing figures, but much like Force Blast and a 4 damage, how often do you want to give up the damaging attack?

This why you put Trick Shot on him and most of the time your going to perplex or ICWO up his attack to 12 or 13 making even a 20 is not that big of a deal. Plus I can see him & Nightcrawler just being an obscene duo for the old back ally beat down Nightcrawler drags the guy behind enemy lines to Hulk who then throws them back out in the street dealing three penetrating damage to two separate figures.

CapnMorgan

03/02/2011, 00:37

Team this hulk up with Mr. Mind and a Team of speedsters with armor piercing and viola! Some poor fig gets splatted!

isamudaisen

03/02/2011, 02:19

Pure Power!!!

Puny Human

03/02/2011, 11:46

At first I was a little annoyed that it was another Hulk character and not a new member of the Hulk family. Then I see his dial and those special abilities.......I can wait for the next set to get a Skaar or whoever! Gotta have this one in my collection!

DaddyDoom

03/04/2011, 16:02

Big Hulk fan and love the piece...but.

I wish they would lose this silly "place" mechanic or at least reword it so Giants and Colossals are not effected. Seems silly that Hulk can "throw" Galactus 10 squares.

DaddyDoom

03/04/2011, 16:10

This why you put Trick Shot on him and most of the time your going to perplex or ICWO up his attack to 12 or 13 making even a 20 is not that big of a deal. Plus I can see him & Nightcrawler just being an obscene duo for the old back ally beat down Nightcrawler drags the guy behind enemy lines to Hulk who then throws them back out in the street dealing three penetrating damage to two separate figures.

Sorry Trick Shot won't work with the special. According to the most recent arb rulings on this fig, the initial target blocks LOF to the next target so it doesn't work like TK where the initial fig is "in the air" before targeting the square. So if its not in the air it is adjacent. And since Trick shot specifies he cannot be adjacent to an opposing fig to use the LOF feature.