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Lucky12s
03/04/2011, 17:52
That's all.
Lucky12s
03/04/2011, 17:56
DC is :d-indomitable:
specialmagic
03/04/2011, 18:01
No.
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(No to the poll, that is, not to the previous reply.)
dlinquent
03/04/2011, 18:06
And let the games begin!!!!!!!!
I have phases... right now I'm in a DC phase.
PeopleofEarth...
03/04/2011, 18:11
Clearly one is better than the other. I feel that if we discuss this like rational human beings, we can come to a concensus.
TheRad08
03/04/2011, 18:15
I definately started out Marvel but DC is so much better.
dwidabill
03/04/2011, 18:19
Batman RULES!! DC rocks!! Blackest Night, Brightest Day, War of the Lanterns, 'nuff said!!
Clearly one is better than the other. I feel that if we discuss this like rational human beings, we can come to a concensus.
I'm a rabid DC fan, but even I have to disagree with this. Each universe has it's own "style." Which you prefer is largely just a matter of personal preference.
Besides, nobody can ever come to a consensus on the internet.
JackAssterson
03/04/2011, 18:24
Batman wins.
Superfly
03/04/2011, 18:58
Stupid poll or useless poll?
That's all.
happyoptimistic88
03/04/2011, 19:09
That's all.
I love both very much, but I have to go a little more with MARVEL!!! :)
The_Sound_Of_Animals
03/04/2011, 19:29
Indy?
filler
BluSummers
03/04/2011, 19:31
DC... that is all.
mermaidmurder
03/04/2011, 19:40
dc is better right now. marvel has great x-men,hulks,thunderbolts books but the rest is are crappy right now if u ask me. DC has brightest day,GL,GLC,all the batman titles,jla,flash,ww. o yea they have the best writer on the planet jeff johns.
Project: J-ko
03/04/2011, 19:42
Excelsior!
obesesniper93
03/04/2011, 19:43
Marvel. at least when reading marvel I dont have to go:
"So, is this the pre, post, original, DE-pwered, new-power-set, earth 2, earth 1, earth 42, cousin, clone, robot, Past, Future, OR Kingdom Come Superman???"
In marvel its SIMPLE: Zombies, ULTIMATES, "NORMAL"(better word for that), clone, robot, or lost in time.
Marvel always wins this popularity contest on this forum, why do we have to go through this again? Both universes have good stuff, who cares, read what you want.
DC
Marvel have quantity. Not Quality.
Batman wins.Batman always wins.
sinistersex
03/04/2011, 20:29
Wrong forum. Should be in Trivial, Useless, and Overdone.
The books being published by DC right now are undoubtedly better(for the most part) than Marvel's. That said, SUCK ME, YOU STUPID DC FANBOYS! :p
Superfly
03/04/2011, 20:38
Squares or rectangles?
I like a lot from both but I like more from Marvel, Plus I named my Son after Captain America lol.
aqhoffman
03/04/2011, 20:48
Dynamite followed closely by DarkHorse. Enjoying the heck out of several of their books, and each week when I put the comics in priority order, fewer and fewer DC& Marvel books are at the top.
that said, in Heroclix, I gotta go with Marvel in general.
Besides, nobody can ever come to a consensus on the internet.
I don't know. I think I have to disagree with you! It is totally possible to come to an agreement. The exception is that I will always be opposed to your opposition of consensual agreement.
paladin72
03/04/2011, 21:04
Marvel edges out DC after you get to the c list characters and lower. A and B list are just about a dead heat. I do love them both though.
mermaidmurder
03/04/2011, 21:20
same here i love both. but on marvels part the x-men books keeps getting in to my wallet lol. i think i get 23 titles a month right now. 10 marvel and 8 dc and the rest our mini series.
so ? who do u guys think are the best writer for each company right now?
marvel - greg pak
DC - jeff johns
Kris3000
03/04/2011, 21:41
Just so you guys know it's Geoff Johns. I have always loved the fantasy of DC, with Superman and Green Lantern. Guys who could never be hurt unless it was some sort of insane thing like a rock and magic or the color yellow. Marvel enticed me in with their fantastic characters, and simple yet complex emotions. Each of Stan Lee's characters deal with about ONE emotion and it created a huge amount of story fodder because we ALL feel those emotions at some time and thus we can relate to those characters. All those things are fantastic, but at the end of the day the comics I choose to read greatly depend on who is writing the series and who is illustrating it. Geoff Johns and a crappy illustrator will have me glance over the book. Equally important if Jim Lee is doing the illustrations and some hack is writing I wont buy it. I love both but DC has just a tiny edge on Marvel for me... unless you're talkin movies...
EViL ED 209
03/04/2011, 21:49
Within heroclix Dc generally has far better variety within the dials... Marvel tends to be a bit hit and punch!!! but i do think it is getting better, but for now... DC!
JackAssterson
03/04/2011, 22:17
hulk > dc universe
Batman wins.
Against both.
At the same time.
tempest33
03/04/2011, 22:17
DC
Marvel have quantity. Not Quality.
I didn't want to join the debate as I think it's useless ... but after seeing this post, I must reply.
I think it's the other way around. Marvel is more "quality" than "quantity". DC must have 80 000 characters (including alternate versions, pre- & post- crisis, clones, ...) as Marvel, though there is a few "alternate versions" has far less characters.
But to say as others did, in terms of A class characters, they're pretty much equal. Loved Civil War, Secret Invasion, Blackest Night and Brightest Day. Hated Siege and Final Crisis. Hopefully, Flashpoint, War of the Green Lanterns and Fear Itself will all be good!
DC or Marvel?
Yes.
Well Said, I agree totally.
I like them both, and would like to see them keep the more powerful superheroes and villains with comic accurate dials and special powers, and perhaps able to compete with eachother.
SkrullThemeTeamer
03/04/2011, 23:27
Marvel Comics but DC heroclix
MistahJustice
03/04/2011, 23:32
Both companies copy off each other constantly so really it just comes down to which characters you like more. For me it's Marvel. I still like DC, but while there's only two DC heroes in my top favorites comic book heroes, the rest are Marvel characters.
I have phases... right now I'm in a DC phase.
Meee Toooo. For years I was all hardcore about Marvel (X-Men specifically). I read everything X-Men related (other than Beast's appearances in Avengers since I can't stand them) from 1963 to 1992. By then I was totally burned out on anything Marvel related. Mostly due to the X-Men's time in Australia (which was soooo boring). I also read Fantastic Four from 1961 to about 1984 (when they gave Sue that horrendous hair style).
Now I'm all over DC. So far I've read all Green Lantern issues from 1962 to 2006, Flash v2 from issue one to 2006, all of Young Justice, Impulse, The Power of Shazam, Starman (James Robinson), JSA from 2000 to 2006, Marv Wolfman's Teen Titans (at about 2006 in Geoff John's TT), all of Green Arrow v1, and others here and there. I loved John Byrne's Superman but the writers who took over messed up all of his good work.
Right now I'm finishing up Infinite Crisis. This has to be my favorite crossover I have read thus far. Can't wait until I start 52, Black Adam is so awesome.
After I finish up these crises I want to check out this Red Hulk stuff that everyone is talking about. Sounds pretty cool.
Manchine
03/04/2011, 23:35
GIVE ME INVINIBLE OR GIVE ME DEATH! Its the only comic I can never be patient for.
In the immortal words of Stan Lee. "Make Mine Marvel. 'Nuff Said."
specialmagic
03/04/2011, 23:58
I also like Oni Press: Stumptown, Queen & Country, Sixth Gun are all great.
I buy alot more Marvel Comics and Clix, but, I have been getting into DC comic and clix wise lately. Blackest Night and Batman, Doomsday, and New Lobo comics mainly. But which universe do I like? I like them equally. I grew up on DC and Marvel cartoons in the 90s. The movies too. Come to think of it I only had a few comics when I was growing up...It wasn't til I got a job that I started collecting Comics, then Clix... I see something cool in the ever expanding comic collection then I'm all "Man I need that as a Clix!" and thankfully Heroclix delivers it not too soon after. Man I hope they make an Omegex. Whatever it is I bet it's dial will be Onslaught bad...Wait where am I? Have I been ranting off? OH man I need to go ride a bike...
konasavage
03/05/2011, 00:31
If you remove the Rainbow Brite Lantern stuff form DC they have nothing, period. Didio is a retard and Grant Morrison is a brutal hack.
gdragon616
03/05/2011, 00:47
I'm a DC fan myself, but there are times when i need a change of pace or style and read marvel. Batman, deadpool and cable
Steam313
03/05/2011, 00:51
Deadpool 'nuff said
I'm a great fan of Batman, but admit that DC or MARVEL is a very hard choice, i just consider that DC has very interesting and solid stories on their comics, but definitively MARVEL has more charismatic and popular characters.
This implies that you have to only like one, when nothing could be farther from the truth. I enjoy both thoroughly, and I'm sure I will continue to do so for quite some time :)
maddragon13
03/05/2011, 03:02
I've been a Marvel Zombie since the early 80's and I'll die a Marvel Zombie!!!
I'm a rabid DC fan, but even I have to disagree with this. Each universe has it's own "style." Which you prefer is largely just a matter of personal preference.
Besides, nobody can ever come to a consensus on the internet.
This.
To stay on topic I won't mention other companies which I like more, but I do like Marvel a lot more for their X comics and Max Imprints than any of DC's line.
Pfligman
03/05/2011, 03:32
I was a longtime Marvel man but I'm going to go D.C.
unsung hero
03/05/2011, 04:59
I have this theroy...
Marvel has better characters, but DC has better stories. Just my opinion.
Right now in my life…? I just dumped 2 DC titles from my pull-list in the last 2 years, so make mine Marvel!
mkweaver
03/05/2011, 07:59
I found the coolest picture online the other day of Bat-Calvin peeing on the Marvel logo, and I'm considering having it turned into a window decal for my car...
I wonder which way I voted...
AngelofDarkness
03/05/2011, 11:04
Marvel...The reason? Thanos :)
combatninja
03/05/2011, 11:22
I used to be all Marvel, but over the last five years I've become all DC. Thanks for driving me away Joe Quesada!
hobojoe258
03/05/2011, 11:47
DC, because even if they are having the stupid lantern stuff, they gave us the JSA and Green Arrow.
Lofcutus
03/05/2011, 12:02
Make mine Marvel.
Byzantine
03/05/2011, 12:03
If you remove the Rainbow Brite Lantern stuff form DC they have nothing, period. Didio is a retard and Grant Morrison is a brutal hack.
I'd still take them both over Matt Fraction, Ed Brubaker, or Brian Bendis any day. Hell, nine times out of ten, i'd even take J.T. Krull or Jimmy Palmiotti over those three.
I was mostly a Marvel guy for years and years, having the only DC titles I followed being Green Lantern, Aquaman, Flash, and occasionally Justice League. However, as of right now, most of what DC is putting out is just better. It's clear that the DC editorial cares a lot more about the integrity and continuity of the characters in their books than the Marvel editorial does. Likewise, the talent at DC, guys like Dan Jurgens, Keith Giffen, Paul Cornell, and Geoff Johns put guys like Bendis, Fraction, and Brubaker to shame. The only explicitly Marvel writer I would say consistently writes amazing and entertaining stories is Jonathan Hickman. Don't get me wrong, I also like Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning, but they do a whole bunch of other work. Greg Pak is pretty good also, but not quite there with Giffen, Jurgens, or Cornell.
That's not to say I still don't love me my Marvel, it's just that DC currently has more to offer me. I prefer the stories they're telling (mostly, Secret Warriors is frickin incredible and it's from Marvel), and their story telling methods currently interest me more.
voNvinGeLimeR
03/05/2011, 12:15
So why is this happening again?
...and always MARVEL.
IMO, Fraction and Brubaker are quality
writers that actually cancel out the suck of Bendis.
it was a close race with Marvel always being a pin hair in the lead until (FINAL CRISIS) then Marvel Cosmic spead WWWwwAAAAaaYYyyyyy ahead and left DC to fester in its suckiness!
I didn't want to join the debate as I think it's useless ... but after seeing this post, I must reply.
I think it's the other way around. Marvel is more "quality" than "quantity". DC must have 80 000 characters (including alternate versions, pre- & post- crisis, clones, ...) as Marvel, though there is a few "alternate versions" has far less characters.
But to say as others did, in terms of A class characters, they're pretty much equal. Loved Civil War, Secret Invasion, Blackest Night and Brightest Day. Hated Siege and Final Crisis. Hopefully, Flashpoint, War of the Green Lanterns and Fear Itself will all be good!
For example, Marvel is fullfield with mutants that 1 year later nobody will remenber.
Quality? Deadpool comics sucks right now. I was a huge Deadpool fan till i read Deadpool's 4th round. Now it's about "let's sell the comic, doesn't matter if it's bad writed, fans will buy it, nobody remenbers original Deadpool".
In the other hand, Superman and Green Lantern comics it's the best you can find right now. I think both companies are good but DC is more mature, better development in story, Marvel is more about cheap thrills.
It depends, I love DC for Batman, the Lanterns, The Flash, Captain Marvel, and others
But I love Marvel for X-Men, Spider-Man, Iron Man, Captain America, and others.
So I have to say, I'm pretty even.
That being said, in Clix, I usually just the most recent set brand.
JDKenada
03/05/2011, 13:34
That's all.
Actually, no it isn't. There's more than two companies and they put out just as much quality material as Marvel or DC...and in some cases, just as much poor material.
rogueborg
03/05/2011, 13:38
From my monthly titles I think 75% is Marvel and 25% is DC/Vertigo. In my opinion Marvel has the more funny and emotional stories, while DC goes for the big events and action. I tend to go more for the 'funny' books, and also I still got a thing for everything X-Men, from when I saw the Fox X-Men cartoon. So Make Mine Marvel!
badseed02
03/05/2011, 14:26
superman (icons) and oots batman for the win
mccordlarsen
03/05/2011, 14:41
I like Marvel's more down to earth style than the "clash of the titans" style of the DC universe.
I appreciate the symbolisms with Superman and Batman, but in comparison, Marvel's characters tend to be...weaker as a whole. They often need to rely on wits and allies rather than sheer power.
Of course this is a broad blanketed statement and there are exceptions on both sides.
I guess I just feel that Marvel is more "real world" and is easier to relate to while DC is more "epic" and something to aspire to.
Plus I don't like cosmic stuff very much. DC has A LOT more cosmic base than Marvel does.
I prefer real.
So Make mine Marvel!
A decade ago I would have said Marvel, 5 years ago I would have said DC, now they are about tied in a state of Mediocrity.
I cannot vote. Right now IDW would beat both for GI Joe.
fastcat99
03/05/2011, 16:34
Bofe! I prefer bofe.
BigBlueBeast1982
03/05/2011, 19:08
Marvel is what got me into comics in the early 90's. I loved Spider-man, Hulk, and X-Men. Sadly Marvel's writing has gone down the tubes...Geoff Johns is one of the better writers and with him on DC's side, DC is top-dog in my opinion.
A lot of dumb $hit Marvel did really pi$$ed me off as of late. I hated house of M. I hate the new X-Men with the death of Night crawler and the so called evolution of Beast. I also hated the Red Hulk series and now the death of Johnny Strom...Just overall poor taste and story writing on Marvels behalf as of late.
sychodog
03/05/2011, 19:34
Excelsior!
Dang, you beat me to it.
For me it comes down to the villians. I couldn't care less about 95% of DC villians. DC has some cool heroes but lame villians.
HappyTrain
03/05/2011, 20:00
Marvel, although I've only been reading DC lately.
DC had 52, but marvel had Secret invasion and planet/ww hulk
mahazulu
03/05/2011, 20:17
I love Marvel and their characters. I, in no way shape or form, wish to see DC sets cut from Heroclix! I have been open to the expansion of the game with new properties and licensing and look forward to all that NECA and Wizkids will be making for us. On that note, I need Stegron the Dinosaur Man!!!!
chrisghast
03/05/2011, 20:18
marvel all the way
orangeboy7000
03/05/2011, 20:44
This was decided a long time ago. Just depends on the kind of characters you want to read about really. On the whole Marvel has more believable and relate-able characters. Plus they don't use made up cities as the backdrop of adventurers. This makes the reader more able to imagine themselves in their favorite character's shoes or that these things could possibly happen in our world under the right set of circumstances. Not saying that all of Marvel is like this but most of it is. In DC it seems like you have to be Superman powerful or Batman cleaver just to be relevant at all. As much as I like Batman and what has been done with Green Lantern lately I still enjoy Marvel a lot more personally. I just think that the characters all fit together better than DC where so many heroes are completely pointless and Superman could take care of everything.
KirbyPunch
03/05/2011, 21:20
This is a no contest DC victory. DC will always be the better brand. I love Marvel Characters, but they just DON'T have an actual universe. Look at how many BATMAN copies Marvel has: Iron Man (Batman in Armour), Moon Knight (Crazy, Egyptian Batman), Punisher (Batman with Guns), Daredevil (Blind Acrobat Batman)...
DC has been around for much longer, and while they have had their fair share of *Face-palm* moments, they have always treated their fans with respect and striven to do the right thing, even if they have failed. Marvel ALMOST KILLED THE INDUSTRY back in the nineties.
Aquaman was fighting NAZI jerk-stores a full year before Captain America.
Without DC comics keeping the Superhero fires burning during the fifties, their would have been no SILVER AGE. Their heroes DO NOT KILL (again, has been broken recently with Green Arrow, Wonder Woman and Hal Jordan, but technically, that was Parallax...etc.). Something PREVALENT in the Marvel universe. Real heroes do not kill. DC heroes are compassionate. Marvel heroes are often grim, and dark and loners.
Even Batman knows the value of the Justice League.
DC has richer,more interesting characters;(And DEADPOOL WAS BETTER THE FIRST TIME AROUND,WHEN HE WAS CALLED AMBUSH BUG) 75 glorious years of continuity laden history, and continues to improve their standing with fans buy creating better, well crafted cohesive stories with better characters, all while releasing their books for a full buck under what the "House of Ideas" thinks is fair.
MAKE MINE DC.
'Nuff Said.
orangeboy7000
03/05/2011, 22:11
Their heroes DO NOT KILL (again, has been broken recently with Green Arrow, Wonder Woman and Hal Jordan, but technically, that was Parallax...etc.). Something PREVALENT in the Marvel universe. Real heroes do not kill. DC heroes are compassionate. Marvel heroes are often grim, and dark and loners.
Even Batman knows the value of the Justice League.
Everything you said was more crazy than the last thing lol. In the real world actual heroes DO kill when they have to. Police, the military, and people who rise to meet terrible circumstances of history are all heroes in real life many have killed. If superheroes were real many of the villains would be killed the first time they killed civilians or threatened harm to an innocent. The idea that a superhero won't kill under any circumstance is actually really dumb and defies logic. Maybe only Superman could get away with not killing but only because he could stop just about anyone without having to kill them. Heroes are people that are real and flawed, who make mistakes even if they desire to be the best person they can be.
Also, there are tons of teams in the Marvel universe and team-ups all the time. Wolverine, the biggest loner of all time, is on like every team. Your argument does not compute.
The Vertigo imprint alone forces me to prefer DC over Marvel.
KirbyPunch
03/05/2011, 23:54
My point was that even Batman, the arguably most cynical core DC hero, believes in unity and strength in numbers, opposed to "Loner" characters like Daredevil,Moon Knight,Punisher... And Wolverine ISN'T a loner character anymore. He's a golden cash calf. SRSLY.
And real heroes DO NOT KILL. Nobody is above the law because they wear a badge, a helmet or a cape. I respect the police, and soldiers as figures of authority (Under Certain Circumstances)...But I respect the Uniform, not the person wearing the clothes. But costumed heroes? NO. Killing someone never solves anything. Superheroes should not kill, as they are what we should aspire too, not what we are.
lucyintheskie
03/06/2011, 00:12
I've always been a fan of the Marvel characters, though I hear DC treats their artists and writers better.
SteveYourHero
03/06/2011, 00:16
dc wins batman and superman
NubianKenji
03/06/2011, 00:27
No this conversation will get stupid or mean as long as the question is so open.
Sorry but forever Hulk down with Superman, Batman & Cpt. America best team forever and Robin over Jubilee.
orangeboy7000
03/06/2011, 01:38
My point was that even Batman, the arguably most cynical core DC hero, believes in unity and strength in numbers, opposed to "Loner" characters like Daredevil,Moon Knight,Punisher... And Wolverine ISN'T a loner character anymore. He's a golden cash calf. SRSLY.
And real heroes DO NOT KILL. Nobody is above the law because they wear a badge, a helmet or a cape. I respect the police, and soldiers as figures of authority (Under Certain Circumstances)...But I respect the Uniform, not the person wearing the clothes. But costumed heroes? NO. Killing someone never solves anything. Superheroes should not kill, as they are what we should aspire too, not what we are.
And all the Marvel people you mention team up plenty so you are proving my point. All mainstream comic book characters have to team-up and cross paths with others because they want to sell books. Batman has no powers so he knows he needs to use those that do fight the big battles for him. But Superman? He never needs a team really. The way he is written and with his powers he can always handle anything himself. They just water him down when they want to make his supporting cast seem useful. I can't think of any major Marvel character that they depower so much for the purpose of putting them on a team but is a one man army in his comics against the biggest bad guys. Completely inconsistent.
There is a big difference between trying all other means before having to kill someone and never killing to matter what. The later is completely unrealistic if the person wants to survive and save others. Even in comics it's far more interesting when people cross that line. If they are forced into it or if they go out seeking like the newer X-Force it's definitely better for the story to have that option open. And since a lot of super villains are painted like Hilter in the real world killing them would be accepted and for the best. Wimpy heroes that won't do what is needed, which leads to good guys and innocent civilians dying, are boring and unbelievable.
And you have seen DC heroes kill too when needed, just never Superman or Batman. Killing actually would solve a lot of their problems and that is why they aren't allowed to do it. If Batman kills the Joker he saves all the lives the Joker would kill after that, but Batman can't lose a villain like that from a writing stand point. That's how it works in comics but it's just for the story. If superheroes were real most of the bad guys would be dead by now.
Well, as the poll shows (and I'm rounding) 60% Marvel to 40% DC says that Marvel is better.
MattPetersen
03/06/2011, 02:01
It'd be great if people who made polls had choices like
None of the Above
or
Both
It would make more senes to cover all the bases and get a better reading on the voters.
I picked DC since A) Green Lantern is my FAVORITE hero, and B) there were only two choices on this poll.
Realisitically, I LOVE both universes for their own brands of uniqueness. Each offers some very entertaining stories and interesting heroes.
catherine
03/06/2011, 02:15
For me, Batman and the Lantern Corps are great, but I have to place Spider-Man, the X-Men, and Fantastic Four above them (along with the Sinister Syndicate, Brotherhood, and Dr. Doom).
i don't read comics, never had, prolly never will. However i voted Marvel b/c i like there characters better. Plus they have efffin Punisher, and a normal guy in a crazy world should resort guns and violence. He could take supes any day of the week if he teamed up with Lex and snagged some krypton, made a .50 BMG round out of it and picked him off as went to go save a cat in a burning building.
However in DC's world the guy who doesn't actually have any powers just dresses up like a bat and punches people.
My conclusion is that Marvel is better, however i still like have both universes, each can usually complement one another in a good team build.
Rock on Heroclix.
clameire
03/06/2011, 03:53
i would have be happy with neither DC not marvel clix, but all X-men clix lol
Halvmorke
03/06/2011, 08:11
Marvel, without doubt. I hate DC.
mermaidmurder
03/06/2011, 08:49
u guys are right next time put a box that says both lol.
FrankCastle80
03/06/2011, 08:59
top 5 stories of the last 15 years
1. Age of Apocalypse
2. Civil War
3. Knightfall
4. Ultimatum
5. Blackest Night
Winner: MARVEL
Woodford
03/06/2011, 10:17
DC for Heroclix Marvel For Comic Book
Thrumble Funk
03/06/2011, 10:30
Make Mine Marvel.
Oh, and to those of you who may or may not be arguing which is better (haven't read the thread, but a fair assumption based on history)...well...
STOP IT!
malakim2099
03/06/2011, 10:34
Make Mine Marvel.
Oh, and to those of you who may or may not be arguing which is better (haven't read the thread, but a fair assumption based on history)...well...
STOP IT!
Not voting, since I'm not an absolutist. Next time throw in a Both/Neither option, OP.
top 5 stories of the last 15 years
1. Age of Apocalypse
2. Civil War
3. Knightfall
4. Ultimatum
5. Blackest Night
Winner: MARVEL
And if you thought Civil War and Ultimatum were two of the best stories in the last 15 years, you need to expand your horizons a bit. :p
Thrumble Funk
03/06/2011, 10:37
Not voting, since I'm not an absolutist. Next time throw in a Both/Neither option, OP.
I'm not an absolutist either, but...I buy maybe one DC book every other month. So, if I don't prefer Marvel, my wallet sure does!
UltraMANOS
03/06/2011, 11:41
hulk > dc universe
Batman would take the phantom zone projector and send ole grumpy pants to the phantom zone!
DC 4 life!
American Dragon
03/06/2011, 16:04
I love Marvel. (That's what I voted for.) I also love DC. But I have been a big DC fanboy as of late. (I mean last year onward. I mean, they put the freaking Wonder Twins into 'Clix! That makes me like DC a lot more!)
AmDrag
Wombatboy
03/06/2011, 18:35
DC had 52, but marvel had Secret invasion and planet/ww hulk
I'm confused. Are those pros or cons for the respective companies? :)
I've always been a fan of the Marvel characters, though I hear DC treats their artists and writers better.
Kurt Busiek once came to my local comics store to sign stuff and he said just about the same thing. Apparently Marvel had a tendency to 'forget' about royalties until reminded. Hopefully this has changed now that they're under Disney's corporate management.
When it comes to Heroclix pieces, I like both brands. Heroclix lets me mix and match. Captain America leading the soldiers of Easy Company! Aquaman and Namor fighting side by side to defend Atlantis! What's not to like about either?
As for the comics both have their downsides. I can't stand either Joe Quesada's smugness or Dan DiDio's hucksterish enthusiasm for whatever product he's pushing. And both comics groups go too far when they let a single 'star' writer chart the creative course of the company for a year or more at a time with a mega crossover that goes on too long, has too many tie-ins, fails to live up to its potential, or just all around sucks.
All things considered, I voted DC because in the last decade Marvel has dismantled all my favorite classic titles one by one with ridiculous story changes and greedy marketing.
Look at how many BATMAN copies Marvel has: Iron Man (Batman in Armour), Moon Knight (Crazy, Egyptian Batman), Punisher (Batman with Guns), Daredevil (Blind Acrobat Batman)...
Boiling any of these guys down to Batman clones is a grievous mistake made only on the part of those who don't read the books. Honestly, Matt Murdock, as far as character traits go, has much more in common with say, Kyle Rayner, or Clark Kent than with Bruce Wayne.
gatharion
03/06/2011, 19:34
Indy?
That was certainly my first thought.
Of the two, I do have a preference for DC with Hawkman being a long-time favorite.
By-and-large though there are a number of Indy properties *cough*HELLBOY!!!*cough* that I prefer over your standard DC or Marvel fare.
My DC Heroclix purchasing does far outstrip my Marvel Heroclix purchasing.
gatharion
03/06/2011, 19:38
And if you thought Civil War and Ultimatum were two of the best stories in the last 15 years, you need to expand your horizons a bit. :p
Seriously. What was the 6th, One More Day? When I think of the really *good* comic stories (even just confined to DC and Marvel), the major "event" stories rarely make the running.
Firelord Hero
03/06/2011, 20:19
Marvel is the definitive winner in my opinion.
I will say that I enjoy the "alternate universe's" that DC uses as it paints the superheroes as fantasy, mythical beings. But this is on a rare occasion.
As a whole Marvel is just plain better.
To chime off a debate in this thread; I love it when my superheroes kill. Thats the objective isnt it? X Villain is killing everyone so Y superhero needs to kill him. If he/she doesnt then X Villain goes back to killing ASAP. To "incapacitate" X Villain is only prolonging the future effort that Y superhero will have to spend on either incapacitating again or killing said villain.
In short, I want Hawkeye to shoot flaming arrows through villains hearts. I want Captain America to decapitate villains with his shield. I want death damnit. I think I get my fill on sundays. :)
Image. Maxx anyone? Tonnes of good titles..
Wombatboy
03/06/2011, 21:35
Marvel is the definitive winner in my opinion.
I will say that I enjoy the "alternate universe's" that DC uses as it paints the superheroes as fantasy, mythical beings. But this is on a rare occasion.
As a whole Marvel is just plain better.
To chime off a debate in this thread; I love it when my superheroes kill. Thats the objective isnt it? X Villain is killing everyone so Y superhero needs to kill him. If he/she doesnt then X Villain goes back to killing ASAP. To "incapacitate" X Villain is only prolonging the future effort that Y superhero will have to spend on either incapacitating again or killing said villain.
In short, I want Hawkeye to shoot flaming arrows through villains hearts. I want Captain America to decapitate villains with his shield. I want death damnit. I think I get my fill on sundays. :)
Wow, that is really dark.
First of all, if Hawkeye is shooting someone through the heart why does he need to set them on fire, too? That's just unnecessary. :confused: And shouldn't Captain America uphold America's system of justice rather than placing himself above it?
I like my superheroes to be better than the foes they fight. There's enough horror and atrocity in real life.
malakim2099
03/06/2011, 21:55
Seriously. What was the 6th, One More Day? When I think of the really *good* comic stories (even just confined to DC and Marvel), the major "event" stories rarely make the running.
I would say, not in any order...
1. Annihilation
2. Sinestro Corps War
3. JLA: World War 3 (the Morrison one, not 52)
4. 52 (minus their "WW3")
5. Green Lantern: Rebirth
And I'm sure there's quite a few I missed there. That's what immediately leaps to mind.
To chime off a debate in this thread; I love it when my superheroes kill. Thats the objective isnt it? X Villain is killing everyone so Y superhero needs to kill him. If he/she doesnt then X Villain goes back to killing ASAP. To "incapacitate" X Villain is only prolonging the future effort that Y superhero will have to spend on either incapacitating again or killing said villain.
In short, I want Hawkeye to shoot flaming arrows through villains hearts. I want Captain America to decapitate villains with his shield. I want death damnit. I think I get my fill on sundays. :)I don't know what weird kind of Marvel books you've been reading, but that kind of thing only tends to happen at Wildstorm. Well, before that sanitised it anyway.
Boiling any of these guys down to Batman clones is a grievous mistake made only on the part of those who don't read the books. Honestly, Matt Murdock, as far as character traits go, has much more in common with say, Kyle Rayner, or Clark Kent than with Bruce Wayne.Okay, I'll bite. What do Matt Murdock and Kyle Rayner have in common? How are they even remotely alike? I'm not really seeing the Clark Kent thing either.
What I do see is the nightly vigilante who's parent was murdered by criminals, doesn't have any major superpowers (or any superpowers at all if you're following Miller's view of the character)...
Marvel has Cosmic, DC has Magic.
Wastedallthetime
03/06/2011, 23:14
I grew up reading 90s Marvel, Jim Lees X-men and Danny Ketch Ghost Rider all the way. That being said, I feel as if Marvels characters are more 'every-mans' heroes. The Ultimate world really hitting the spot there. And DC is more mythological, 'epic', mystical in its chacters. Ive grown into a cosmic/space fan more recently, Anhilation, and the Lanterns wars, fueling that fire. Both companies have been around for many many years its like their running out of ideas ( god forbid). Ive got to go with my guts on this though and makes my marvel too.
Wombatboy
03/06/2011, 23:52
Marvel has Cosmic, DC has Magic.
Dr. Strange and Darkseid would have to disagree with you.
I've always preferred Marvel myself. Nothing against DC, nothing against those who prefer DC, for me, Marvel just has the characters I'm attached to.
Dr. Strange and Darkseid would have to disagree with you.
Yes, but while both are badass, DC has John Constantine, Phantom Stranger, Etrigan, Swamp Thing, Dr. Fate, and a whole elaborate mythos for their magic. Dakeseid IS... awesome, but only comes up every once in a while and mostly comes to Earth, even in Kirby's 4th world it was about Earth. Marvel also does play up Earth's importance (it being the halfway point in Kree and Skrull war/Secret Wars), Infinity Gauntlet wasn't about earth too much, Annihilation, Conquest, Nova, GotG, War of Kings, and latest stuff were not. Marvel's cosmic has a rich history, with Galactus, Eternals, the different abstracts, all being 616.
DC Charcters seem to be more Epic
Mister mind
03/07/2011, 01:25
I'm at 14 marvel titles and only 2 dc books, and thats after making serious cutbacks, allways loved "truth justice and the American way" but can't read a superman book to keep methe interested....justice league and the whole blackest night has been amazing.
but the X-men got me reading at age13 (just as the second team hit there 3rd year together) the first wolverine mini seres and have kept going (mostly) from late 70's until now... Jim Lee best artist with Alex Ross kingdom come dc story as my best graphic novel ever.
clix wise winter soldier, skrulls, mr. mind....BnB power girl oots batman...
konasavage
03/07/2011, 05:01
DC Charcters seem to be more Epic
Until they get shot back in time by Darkseid and become a caveman/pirate/cowboy Batman. :confused:
Until they get shot back in time by Darkseid and become a caveman/pirate/cowboy Batman.Your definition of 'epic' obviously differs from the usual one.
Wow, that is really dark.
First of all, if Hawkeye is shooting someone through the heart why does he need to set them on fire, too? That's just unnecessary. :confused: And shouldn't Captain America uphold America's system of justice rather than placing himself above it?
I like my superheroes to be better than the foes they fight. There's enough horror and atrocity in real life.
this.
I've had my fill of "darker visions" of characters. ect.
I need escapism.
Nightwing-fan
03/07/2011, 08:25
Depends on the year. Over 40 years of collecting comics I've gone toward Marvel and then DC.
Right now DC is the best. The quality of the artwork in the books is so much better in DC right now. Of all the titles I follow, the storylines in DC right now are superior. The only Marvel storyline I really like is the one currently in the Avengers title, but the artwork is horrible.
The stupidity of Marvel in killing off Human Torch and now adding Spiderman to the FF wearing a horrible Black & White outfit. Marvel said they kill off characters just to increase sales. I hope it totally bombs. The previews for the Green Lantern war look great to me, and I'm anxious for the story to start. Also the price $$$$ is right at DC.
In heroclix, even with Cosmic Spiderman out there, DC still is better.
Movies is no contest. You have to give it to Marvel. Yes DC has had great success with the Batman movies, but the last Superman movie bombed and I dont think the new one next year will be any good. No 6'0" Brit should play Superman. Find a 6'3"/6'5" American actor to play Superman.
The way Marvel is doing the members of the Avengers movies one at a time is outstanding. Their showing DC how is need to be done. I'm really looking forward to the Thor movie this year and the Avengers team movie next year. I hope the Captain America movie is also good but I dont know. Its suppose to be WWII so why isnt Red Skull wearing swastika's? Thats already one strike against it.
At the same time I'm totally bummed DC isnt going to do a JLA movie. DC needs to branch out more and stop making "Vertigo" movies. Yes I liked the Losers, but Jonah Hex was dead before it even hit the big screen. Hopefully the Green Lantern Movie makes up for some of the bad movies DC has put out over the last few years.
In TV you have to go to DC. With Smallville having good success for 10 years and introducing many different DC heroes & villains on the show. Granted its ending soon, but Wonder Woman is coming to the small screen this fall. Hopefully it succeeds. Also Young Justice is so much bettern then Marvel Super Hero Squad.
For the cartoon DVDs. Marvel started out years ago with the better ones. Now they give us a crappy Black Panther motion comic. Its no Contest now. DC counters and wins easily with All Star Superman and Green Lantern Emerald Knights.
For toys I really have no opinion, since I see both DC and Marvel toys in just about any store you walk into anymore. So I would think there even in that catagory.
But I guess this is enough of a rant on an endless debate about who is better.
Make mine Marvel.
I follow quite a few DC titles, but the characters and settings of Marvel appeal to me more, particulary the "cosmic stuff".
Wombatboy
03/07/2011, 08:48
Yes, but while both are badass, DC has John Constantine, Phantom Stranger, Etrigan, Swamp Thing, Dr. Fate, and a whole elaborate mythos for their magic. Dakeseid IS... awesome, but only comes up every once in a while and mostly comes to Earth, even in Kirby's 4th world it was about Earth. Marvel also does play up Earth's importance (it being the halfway point in Kree and Skrull war/Secret Wars), Infinity Gauntlet wasn't about earth too much, Annihilation, Conquest, Nova, GotG, War of Kings, and latest stuff were not. Marvel's cosmic has a rich history, with Galactus, Eternals, the different abstracts, all being 616.
Of course DC's cosmic tradition is just as grand as Marvel's, with Adam Strange, the Legion of Super Heroes, the Thangarians, the New Gods, Lobo, L.E.G.I.O.N., the Green Lantern Corps, the Anti-Monitor, the Darkstars, the Omega Men, the Dominators, etc.
But one of Marvel's greatest cosmic stories ever was the whole Rom: Spaceknight series. I'm excited elements of that series are showing up in Annihlators (minus any explicit mention of Rom himself, being a licensed property of Parker Brothers), so I will concede Marvel's cosmic supremacy for now.
Marvel's mystics include Dr. Druid and Brother Voodoo, but I think I may have just proved your point. :)
Rep to you sir!
speedy92286
03/07/2011, 08:57
Make mine Marvel.
I follow quite a few DC titles, but the characters and settings of Marvel appeal to me more, particulary the "cosmic stuff".
This.
I LOVE Marvel and DC, but Nova and GotG (not to mention the events) were what made reading comics a real pleasure for me. Cosmic Marvel to me is the best setting, but that's just my humble opinion.
I read Green Lantern, Secret Six, Birds of Prey, Sirens and magic-related titles, but I really prefer Marvel. Spider-man, Cap, Iron Man, Thor, Avengers, Thunderbolts and a few X-men series (when they are good) really help when I am waiting on cosmic stuff to come out, but they are great in their own way.
I wish there was a poll for being a fan of both, but in both Heroclix and comics, I get more excited for Marvel with very little exception (anything my Gail Simone seems to be it, really).
KirbyPunch
03/07/2011, 09:48
Boiling any of these guys down to Batman clones is a grievous mistake made only on the part of those who don't read the books. Honestly, Matt Murdock, as far as character traits go, has much more in common with say, Kyle Rayner, or Clark Kent than with Bruce Wayne.
Maybe you are right. I haven't read any daredevil stuff published after 2002.
I haven't read punisher since 2001, and all the moon knight I have read was printed in the late 70's, early 80's. But they seemed like Batman clones to me.
..., and all the moon knight I have read was printed in the late 70's, early 80's. But they seemed like Batman clones to me.
Moon Knight is obviously a Bats clone. (as much as Batman is a Zorro/Shadow/Lone Ranger clone.)
Once you get past that, what makes Moon Knight interesting is his origin and backstory, He's either the avatar of an Egyptian god, or a brutal ex mercenary/CIA spook driven insane by guilt over his actions. resulting in multiple personality disorder among other problems.
batman1970
03/07/2011, 10:31
I've been reading DC comics since I was 7, so when I had to pick one universe to collect (I just can't afford to keep up with everything clix) I chose DC.
nextwavegeek
03/07/2011, 10:31
Who has Warren Ellis working for them this week?
magicmarvel
03/07/2011, 10:32
I love marvel but Dc is more powerful and since I want to win the game it's DC for me
songwriterz
03/07/2011, 10:35
Marvel or DC?
Spider-man.
Seriously, I love Thor and Cap and the FF and the Avengers, but Spider-man = 99% of the reason I have anything to do with comics (which is the only reason I have anything to do with Heroclix.)
(Sorry - no DC love here. No DC hate, mind you, but no DC love either.)
DarkBlueAnt
03/07/2011, 12:24
Both can be good (Depends on the writer more than anything else) but I like Marvel more most of the time.
DC's important characters are too caught up in "Legacies," Superhero "families," and reverting back to what the characters used to be. Marvel does that too, but I feel like they're at least a little more capable of permanent change or some interesting crossover events.
da_turtledude
03/07/2011, 13:08
Dc .
Lucky12s
03/07/2011, 13:11
Stupid poll or useless poll?
That's all.
That was the whole point. Thanks for playing.
Thrumble Funk
03/07/2011, 13:31
The stupidity of Marvel in killing off Human Torch and now adding Spiderman to the FF wearing a horrible Black & White outfit.
If that is the sum total of your grasp of the story, then you didn't read the story.
Thrumble Funk
03/07/2011, 13:47
The stupidity of Marvel in killing off Human Torch and now adding Spiderman to the FF wearing a horrible Black & White outfit.
Side-rant: This mentality irritates me. A lot.
1. Off-panel death = not a death. Pics or it didn't happen.
2. Was the Human Torch really doing...like...ANYTHING of importance in the last decade? If so, I must have blinked.
3. Hickman took a series that had been fairly middle-of-the-road for a while and took it in a new direction, and I'm digging everything I've read thus far.
Seriously, dude makes you care about DRAGON MAN.
4. Oh noes, Spider-Man is wearing a new costume in a newly-launched series. Someone get the pitchforks. :cheeky:
I see rants like the one I quoted, and I read "I don't like change and wish that the ::BLANK:: universe that I grew up reading would stay vacuum-sealed the way I remember/enjoy it, in perpetuity."
gambit38
03/07/2011, 14:09
Marvel for me.
Was going to write a paragraph or two on why, but no matter how big or small the reason is, it just comes down to a personal opinion in the end.
The poll results tell the real story, Marvel must be doing something right. Neca are also starting to realise the Marvel/Dc fan base ratio as we are getting back to the two Marvel and one Dc set a year.
Makes sense to tap into the cash cow, it should make everyone happy. The company makes more money and the little brother gets it's day in the sun. It's a win win situation.
Thrumble Funk
03/07/2011, 14:11
Was going to write a paragraph or two on why, but no matter how big or small the reason is, it just comes down to a personal opinion in the end.
This. EXACTLY this.
PeopleofEarth...
03/29/2011, 00:21
Guys, guys, guys (and the one girl, probably.) I feel like we rushed into this before we talked this whole thing out. Over the course of 72 hours, everyone just willy nilly picked a side and threw their vote in! WE DIDN'T EVEN TALK THIS OUT! Almost half of the voters picked DC! And more than half chose Marvel!!
Can we reset the poll and do this right? I strongly believe that if we talk this out, we can get all 901 votes in one column or the other.
OK, let's start over. DC or Marvel?
PeopleofEarth...
03/29/2011, 00:29
Whoa, whoa! Someone voted. Please stop voting until we can organize ourselves and get a SYSTEM in place.
OK, let's start again.
DC or Marvel?
MechaFan
03/29/2011, 12:36
I like from both but in the end I had to vote DC instead of Marvel to give my support to it becouse if I didn't I would had felt bad becouse of it.
da_turtledude
03/31/2011, 19:38
Dc .
IronGard
04/01/2011, 08:06
Marvel hands down. They have better caricters, and storys.
sinistersex
04/01/2011, 20:41
Marvel hands down. They have better caricters, and storys.
Caricter: the super-villain with superhumanly strong sphincters.
JackAssterson
04/01/2011, 20:43
Caricter: the super-villain with superhumanly strong sphincters.
I've heard of him. He has great storys.
The Bog Man
04/01/2011, 22:20
DC all the way for me. The only Marvel I read from the rack is Deadpool.
Better characters? Don't get me wrong I like Thor and Doc Strange, and I'm not knocking anyone's taste, but for me Marvel works a lot better in film than it does in print. (Print X-men has about 5o years of convoluted backstory, non-Raimi Spiderman is an emo git.)
Superman, THE superhero template. Wonder Woman my favorite embodiment of hope/fanservice. The G*ddamned Batman, who could outwit Mephisto on a bad day, let alone anyone else in the Marvel Universe. I'm not even touching on the rest of DC continuity, the "trinity" alone cannot hope to be matched for pure iconography by anything in the Marvel U.
Better writing? Really? Care to match the Clone Saga, Secret Invasion, One More Day up against Kingdom Come, Batman Year One, Crisis, The Dark Knight Returns, Sandman, Hellblazer, Swamp Thing, Simone or late 80's Wonder Woman, or even entertaining pulpery like Blackest Night?
Yes, there's plenty of crap from DC too, but the Amazons Attacks and the Countdowns tend to be overshadowed by the classics DC has put out.
Sorry, but if I'm going to yank a TPB out of my collection to re-read and I have a choice between Watchmen and The Killing Joke or Maximum Carnage and Marvel Zombies 48 1/2, hmmm... tough call.
Yeah I know this post is totally dickish, sorry.
Adam Fennimore
04/04/2011, 21:11
DC destroys marvel then curb stomps marvel for fun afterwords for fun. just saying:)
jackstar7
04/04/2011, 23:36
Time to ask for a raise so you can buy both.
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