In Defense of E Iron Man: My 300 point team

[The Stinger]

Due to some prodding from TheLion getting after me to playtest E Iron man again and post the results, I have done just that.

My friend and I played a 300 point game, and we used all 3 of the Xplosion figures Ive obtained in the game.

My Team is Build around Iron man as the main offense.

E Iron Man 161
E Wasp 33
R Con Artist 11
R Mandroid armor 28
R Mandroid armor 28
V Shield Medic 16
R Vulture 15
E Thug 08

300/300

I played against

V Thor 187
E Elektra 22
E Bullseye 31
V Iceman 47
R Shield Medic 12

299/300

We played on the DC Outdoor truckstop map. He won the roll to go first, and the game began.

Turn 1.
Vet Thor Taxied Bullseye up to the very end of one of the trucks, setting Bullseye down in one of the squares on the end for the hindering bonus.

Iceman taxied Elektra up to the same row as Bullseye and Thor, dropping her on an object, and landing behind her. Elektra was stealthed here.

I used the mandroids to Throw Iron Man and Wasp up the field. 8 squares for Wasp, 9 for Iron Man, landing them adjacent to each other. Iron Man took a shot at Thor, 9 on 17, needing an 8. I hit the roll, and did 3 clicks to Thor after INV. Thor lost Running shot because of this. Wasp used the avenger free move to taxi Iron man Back to their starting positions with the Mandroids.

Turn 2.

He clears, as do I.

Turn 3.

Thor Taxis bullseye into range of Iron man. Bullseye attacks IM, 10 on 17, needing a 7 to hit. He misses, Iceman taxis elektra further up, dropping her on the end of the truck in between the brown and gray buildings.

Con artist Moves along the back row to get an action token. Iron Man retaliates at Bullseye, 9 on 17 after Es/d needing an 8. Missed. Vulture Taxies the thug in front of IM, blocking LOF from Bullseye.

Turn 4.

Thor leaves Bullseye where he is, Pushes, and picks up a dumpster. Iceman Pushes and carries Elektra into base contact with the medic. Elektra attacks, needing a 6, hits, and gets a 5 BCF roll, taking out my medic. Bullseye clears

Con artist Pushes to move back to starting point, gaining perplex. Iron Man clears with Vulture, Wasp attempts Inc on Elektra. Successful roll, Elektra is pushed.

Turn 5.

He clears his figures, Bullseye attacks Wasp, needing an 8. He hits for 3 to wasp.

Con artist perplexex IM's AV to 10. Mandroids throw IM and Wasp again. IM attacks Thor again, this time needing a 5. Success, thor takes 3 more, losing the ability to damage IM at range.

Turn 6.

Bullseye pushes to take wasp out. He hits, and wasp is gone, leaving IM without his taxi. Iceman Taxies Elektra into base contact with IM. She attacks, needing a 10. Failure. Thor Clears.

IM pushes, flies away from elektra, for a Running shot attempt on Thor, needing a 5 to hit. Success, Thor takes 2 more after toughness, and is down to his last click. Dumpster falls out of Thor's hands.

Turn 7.

Bullseye clears, Medic moves Up 6 spaces Iceman pushes to base Thor. Elektra clears.

IM clears, mandroid 1, bases with Mandroid 2, Mandroid 2 throws Mandroid 1 the full 10 squares. Vulture flies to base Bullseye.

Turn 8.
Bullseye attacks Vulture for 1. Elektra moves to base IM. Thor clears. Iceman clears.

Con artist perplexes Mandroid 2's damage to 2, and Mandroid 2 attacks the medic at range. Success, medic loses support. IM flies away from elektra, using a running shot on Iceman needing a 6. Success, Iceman takes 2 damage.

Turn 9.
In desperation, Iceman Taxies Thor to base IM, needing a critical to hurt him. Failure. Bullseye pushes and attacks vulture for another 1.

IM pushes and attacks Thor, needing a 5. Success, Thor is KO'ed
Vulture flies away from Bullseye, Thug moves to base Bullseye.

This is where he conceded to me. With Bullseye tied up, and Elektra only having one more click to be a threat to IM with BCF, a nearly dead Iceman, and a worthless R medic, he conceded due to lack of offensive resources.

Please note that I only post this due to prodding and picking from TheLion in Ironman 44's thread where he tested IM. I dont expect it to change his opinion, or anyone else's. Just the results of what happened against a Thor led team at a 300 point build total. Take these results and do with them what you will.

I simply show here, that when played correctly, and protected, Iron man can headline any team, save for the 200 pointers, that could be a little rough.

I like E Iron man and find him to be a solid piece. If you dont agree, hey, he's not for everyone. Some people dont feel that a piece that is 161 points should need protection, but if you protect him, he is a killer.

I missed a couple times, but got the roll of 8 to take away Thors Running shot. That really hurt his team when he lost that. THe dual mandroid throwing of IM and wasp was key in making a first strike with IM, and using wasps avenger free move to get him back to safety. So even if I had missed, I still would not have been hit on his following turn. Its all about the playstyle.

[Ironman44]

your leaving me in suspense.

[AnOnymOu5]

Con artist perplexex IM's AV to 10. Mandroids throw IM and Wasp again. IM attacks Thor again, this time needing a 5. Success, thor takes 3 more, losing the ability to damage IM at range.

You wouldn't have been able to perplex up his attack and use his RCE, you can't use perplex at all in combination with RCE, on any of the dial values, including attack.

Otherwise, nice to see old Shellhead taking out the 80s glamrocker.

[The Stinger]

Originally posted by AnOnymOu5


You wouldn't have been able to perplex up his attack and use his RCE, you can't use perplex at all in combination with RCE, on any of the dial values, including attack.

Otherwise, nice to see old Shellhead taking out the 80s glamrocker.

Hmm, I was not aware of this. I thought that it couldnt be used on the damage value.

Even without the perplex I still made the roll though, so I feel better knowing that even though the perplex wasnt right, It didnt affect the outcome. I needed a 6 originally, Which is an easy roll, and I didnt need the perplex really, but I didnt have anything else I needed to use it on, and soI used the perplex. It made it a 5, but I ended up rolling a 9 so it didnt matter much either way. I drilled him.

At least I know now that perplex cant even affect the figure at all if he is using RCE. I didnt think it worked like that.

Like you cant perplex EE Damage, but you can perplex EE attack. I though that it worked in this fashion, hence my mistake.

[capfan]

You stated that vulture went b2b with Bullseye and Bullseye kept attacking for 1 damage. Shouldn't he do 3 with rce. You can use it in b2b against non-grounded figures.

[AnOnymOu5]

Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous, the limitations on Perplex and RCE/CCE. You can kind of circumvent this problem by just perplexing down the targets defense.

[The Stinger]

Originally posted by capfan
You stated that vulture went b2b with Bullseye and Bullseye kept attacking for 1 damage. Shouldn't he do 3 with rce. You can use it in b2b against non-grounded figures.

Ahh, yes. Another oversight on my part.

So he would have taken vulture out, then would have had to deal with the Thug basing him on the next turn. Even had he killed vulture, Which he definately would have, the thug basing him would have negated any further use of RCE until the thug wass KO'd or Bullseye lost the RCE.

Even after the Thug would be gone, Mandroid 1 was within range to base Bullseye, and having toughness Bullseye would have needed critical to damage him.

Basically, my buddy was up the creek without a paddle after Thor got leveled and the medic taken out.

[The Stinger]

Originally posted by AnOnymOu5
Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous, the limitations on Perplex and RCE/CCE. You can kind of circumvent this problem by just perplexing down the targets defense.

Good point. Im sure to figure that into my strategy from now on.

Im still a bit rusty when it comes to which powers work with others, and which ones do not.

This is why I dont get involved in a tournament, because I dont FULLY know all the rules back to front. And I dont want to look like a fool when Im playing by doing something illegal, and being ignorant to that fact.

*TheStinger puts on dunce cap again, begins studying the FAQ again...*

[TheLion]

Hey TheStinger

Either you played a 4 year old or this post is pure fiction. :rolleyes:

The only thing this thread proves is that you need to find some stronger competition.

[Ghost_Rider]

Hey TheLion, there is no need to be rude. It sounds like a legitimate battle report, and Ironman did get lucky, but it doesn't mean he sucks.

Ghost

[TheLion]

Well... considering how vehemently TheStinger defends Iron Man, and how often he tells anyone that says IM isn't worth his points that they are strategically weak, I wouldn't have posted this in defense of Iron Man. It basically proves nothing about how great a figure Iron Man is. His opponent was either asleep, never played before, or never existed.

[The Stinger]

You asked for a battle report, I posted it.

It doesnt matter to me if you think that the post is fiction or not. Like I dont have anything better to do than to make up a turn by turn battle report to impress the likes of you. Why dont you get off your high horse and accept the fact that the piece has its uses, and you just dont like it because you have to make a few higher than average rolls?

You arent going to move on your stance that he got shafted, I feel I shouldnt move on my stance that he is a solid piece, because I guess I have more luck in rolling higher numbers than most.

As I said, do with the results what you will, I never expected it to change your closed minded opinion. Obviously your mind is made up. I might as well talk to a brick wall.

If it isnt what you wanted to hear, its either fiction or BS right?

Whatever man.

[Doctor Strange]

Good writeup stinger. We designed a 300 point vet Ironman team that has some interesting posibilities.

[The Stinger]

Thanks Doctor Strange, its good to see that this thread isnt a total loss, and at least someone enjoyed it.

[CaptainCarl]

good write up and that how you should play ironman use the running game with taxi support i know that how im goin to use him

and as for lion he has nothing better to do than post rude comments but hey thats his opinion and until he gets beat by ironman he wont change his mind

me personally i think iron man is a tad expensive myself but thats in general i play with a larger army thats why i dont really use thors dooms ultrons out their but hey everybody has their own playstyle but ive been using theme teams more these days disregarding point costs of figs and i know ima use the avengers in a tourney and ironman will be fielded and i do have confidence in him after reading your report as well as ironman44s

thanks for the time and effort

he is goin to be a force to be reckoned with

thecaptain

[TheLion]

Originally posted by The Stinger
You asked for a battle report, I posted it.

It doesnt matter to me if you think that the post is fiction or not. Like I dont have anything better to do than to make up a turn by turn battle report to impress the likes of you. Why dont you get off your high horse and accept the fact that the piece has its uses, and you just dont like it because you have to make a few higher than average rolls?

You arent going to move on your stance that he got shafted, I feel I shouldnt move on my stance that he is a solid piece, because I guess I have more luck in rolling higher numbers than most.

As I said, do with the results what you will, I never expected it to change your closed minded opinion. Obviously your mind is made up. I might as well talk to a brick wall.

If it isnt what you wanted to hear, its either fiction or BS right?

Whatever man.

Why don't you take a look at the first two moves this "tournament" level player played. If this is the level of competition that you expect to test an IM with than I can see why you think he is pretty good.

You and IM44 are a couple of fanboys who can't face the facts. IM got shafted, and your little posts aren't proving that he wasn't.

[The Stinger]

Uh, where again does it say that this was a tournament level game?

I said that this was a game between my friend and I, using my Explosion figures I had acquired.

Please Re Read first post. You know how to read right? Grouping of words to form a sentence, start from left to right? Take Tylenol for any headaches, Midol for any cramps.

Then I specifically stated a few posts later, that I dont play in tournaments until I know the Faq fully. I still miss a few things on what works with what, what doesnt, and some other special circumstances. Once again, Re read through this thread.

Im through arguing with you, and judging by your warning level, when you start disagreeing with someone with nothing constructive to say, you start namecalling. Since I dont need you calling me names, and your recent posts arent making any sense at all, Im through discussing this matter with you.

For the record though, IM44's tests WERE tournament level. It seems you just cant handle the results. Iron man is a useful piece. Wizkids did not begin the ending of the world by having him with a lower AV. Get over it. Move on.