line of sight on mind control?

[spyderman930]

do you need a clear line of sight on the character to use mind control?

[Mr. Pilkington]

If you are not adjacent to your target then yes you do need clear LOF (line of fire) to the target in order to Mind Control.

[double_a]

Mind Control can either be a Close Combat attack or a Range Combat attack.

If you use it as a CC attack then no you do not need LoF.
If you use it as a RC attack then yes you do need LoF.

[Tsannik]

Pilk... beat ..me .. to ... the...answer...


am...dying...

EDITED: double_a, too!?! dying .....again *gasp*

[spyderman930]

ok, thanks alot guys, I've been arguing over this one for a while cause it doesn't specify on the power card.

[SLAYER X]

so mind control can not be used through hindering terrain? If this is true then why doesn't it state it in the PAC or the FAQ? could you tell me why you have all ruled this way?

[Funky Jett]

Yes it can, provided the target does not have Stealth and is within range. If the target has Stealth, then you must be adjacent to Mind Control.

[SLAYER X]

I don't know if you are telling me or them funky jett but incase you are talking to me I am asking the 2 judges why they say it can not be used through hindering terrain. Mr. Pilkington says clear LoF is needed and Tsannik agrees with Mr. Pilkington that it is also needed. I just wonder how they came to that conclusion.

[Funky Jett]

Hindering terrain does not block LoF, it merely adds 1 to their defense. It only blocks LoF if the target is using Stealth.

"Clear LoF" means "not blocked" and hindering terrain does not block, so therefore it is clear.

Yes, I was answering your question.

[Manchine]

Well Slayer since you really cant be nice to fellow members I guess there's no reason to answer ya.

[SLAYER X]

The problem is there are 2 judges saying a clear LOF is needed, I have always used it as MC goes through hindering terrain but if a judge says no I want to know why in case I go to a tournement and judge says no there as well.

[SLAYER X]

what do u mean I am not being nice? nice to whome? I was asking funky if he was talking to me or not because I really couldn't tell.

[Funky Jett]

A) Thanks, Manchine ;)

B) If you don't believe me SLAYER X, look it up in the FAQs. Simple enough. But I am right though. Hindering only adds 1 to the defense of the target unless the target is using Stealth. Hindering terrain does NOT block LoF to a non-Stealthed figure. Any judge that rules hindering terrain blocks LoF is wrong. Simple as that.

Look in the FAQs for the definition of the word "clear"

[SLAYER X]

Nowhere did I ever say hindering terrain = blocking terrain but the way I always understood it and my friends and I have alwys played it if I wanted to outwit someone I had to have clear LoF but hindering terrian would stop that since it is not clear terrain. I reread the FAQ and that is going to change the way we play alot now that probablity control, outwit and perplex all go trough hindering terrain.

[scowlingone]

Originally posted by SLAYER X
now that probablity control, outwit and perplex all go trough hindering terrain.

They always have; you've just been confused about the definition of "clear LoS". It's OK -- it confuses a lot of folks.

And, for what it's worth, the average member who will answer rules questions is equally as competent as those judges who answer questions. Don't complain about non-Judges trying to help, or you might not get much help.

[SLAYER X]

I wasn't complaining that he was helping but until I reread it I had no idea that it was true I thought maybe they just came up with that onj their own and was wondering how. When judges rule a certain way I like to know why instead of just be cause the I said so rulke ya know? Up until funk said it was in the faq it seemed like an I say so, so it's fact cercumstrance.

[double_a]

Line of Fire can either be Clear or Blocked.

Terrain can be Clear, Hindering or Blocking.

These are two different concepts that share (unfortunately) the same terminology (clear, block).

There is no consistant relation between terrain & LoF:

LoF over clear terrain with no figure is Clear.
LoF over clear terrain with a figure is Blocked.
LoF over clear terrain with an object is Clear.
LoF over clear terrain with an object & figure is Blocked.
LoF to clear terrain with an object & figure is Clear.
LoF to clear terrain with an object & stealthed figure is Blocked.
LoF attack from SupeAlly to clear terrain with an object & stealthed figure is Clear.
LoF outwit from SupeAlly to clear terrain with an object & stealthed figure is Blocked.

And this is just Clear terrain!

LoF over hindering terrain is Clear unless it's LoF to a stealth figure (then it's Blocked).
LoF over blocking terrain is Blocked.
LoF over a figure in clear or hindering terrain is Blocked.

etc...

[SLAYER X]

thanx for taking the time to make that unmistakeably clear. With superman and that team ability it is easy but you are right we have always misinterpreted it because of LoF and terrain using the same terminology.

[Funky Jett]

Gee... I think I heard that somewhere before... ;)