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<TABLE BORDER="0"><TR><TD><IMG SRC="/images/UShadowCat.gif"></TD><TD><FONT SIZE="1"><P><B>Name:</B> Shadowcat <BR><B>Number:</B> 085<BR><B>Play Tip:</B> What’s better than Shadowcat as a low point–cost heroine who can walk through walls and dodge even the most powerful attacks? Shadowcat with a ranged attack, of course! Lockheed adds Energy Explosion to Shadowcat’s already adaptable bag of tricks, so now she can affect foes at range while still moving around freely to avoid damage. <P><B>Game Design Notes:</B> One of the first issues of <I>The X-Men</I> that I ever bought was #129, the introduction of Kitty Pryde (that’s off the top of my head, so if I’m wrong, please forgive my sleep-deprived brain). She was younger than the other X-Men and had very different powers, with almost no offensive capability.<P>Over time she became a very valuable member of the team, and for a while she even ran around with her “pet” dragon, Lockheed. This Unique Shadowcat is different from a lot of our Unique figures in that it represents the combined abilities of both Kitty and Lockheed. <P>The figure has a bunch of Phasing, flight, a high defense value, and Super Senses to reflect Kitty’s ability to move around freely and avoid attacks. Lockheed adds a bit of damage to her dial, a ranged attack, and Energy Explosion--all of which reflect Lockheed’s fiery breath. <P>Unique Shadowcat with Lockheed is a great figure, not only because it is an accurate representation of the character, but also because it’s an inexpensive figure with movement latitude and some good attack options.</TD></TR></TABLE>
im the first post awsome yes...she looks awsome ... i only wish they made her a little better
Manchine
03/12/2003, 23:31
ANd its the one we have yet to see here.
Another flyer for the xmen. They're startin to come around.
If I get it, I'll play it. But the E is prolly a better deal.
Kid Zemo
03/12/2003, 23:38
I am kinda disappointed - I had hoped for the blue 'puffy-sleeved' outfit for the unique. Ah well. Welcome to Heroclix, Lockheed - Hope You Survive the Experience!
Kid Zemo
I was hoping we would see these two paired as a single figure since day 1... and they say wishes don't come true.
ASGDiamond
03/12/2003, 23:39
Very neat. :) Can't wait for the set to come out! :D
Captain_Comet
03/12/2003, 23:40
It's a cool fig and it's cheap. I like it and I'd play it.
Billy Jack
03/12/2003, 23:45
it's two, two, two clix in one.
and it looks cool too.
She is a very good taxi for her points. I would use her if I pulled one. Plus the figure looks good.
HAHAHAHAHA! YES! YES! AWHAHAH! YES! Yes InDeeD! Finally a charcter in the old Xaiver Institute togs! Is my fervent wish for a new mutants team a little closer? I think so. Kitty was demoted to New Mutants staus for a little while some time after that team was formed. she continued to chum around with them. Does the R/E/V also have this costume? that would be unfortunate, as they would have to sculpt/add the 'dragon' anyway..... but I digress. The X Team is looking sharp with this next set. Go Muties!
falcarrion
03/12/2003, 23:49
took a while but at least I hadn't seen it yet.
nice fig
Healing Factor
03/12/2003, 23:50
Wow! She's Cheap! (Huh????) What's her value? No one's said!
I'm not thrilled with the sculpt's details, but I do like the Lockheed/Kitty combo. Cool powers too. Only Vision is comparable.
Teletran
03/12/2003, 23:52
Hmmm.... maybe they can combine Thor and Mjolnir the next time around... :)
Adding Mjolnir may give Thor:
1. energy explosion - lightning and thunder attack (if he's given two arrows)
2. force blast - whirlwinds (after running shot powers)
3. CCE - since Thor is a weapons specialist using Mjolnir (after running shot)
Heheheh... :p
ah what can you say, it looks like WK has the HC department working hard and long hours. judging by the writing of the sneak peek, it looks nothing like iron man in beginning,anyway.
nice fig if i get i play,no more to it than that.
long live DOOM!!!!!!!
Can't wait, gimme gimme gimme
subzeromk5
03/13/2003, 00:15
The sculpt is pretty lame to be honest, much like the Psylocke clix, they seem to both have the same expression on their faces. But still, should be intresting to use.
shin-goji
03/13/2003, 00:18
Wow! I love lockheed. This iwll do until they make a clix of him. Or I'll mod one and put it on a V Firelord base! :) Flying and phasing? Gimme more!
MarkFinn
03/13/2003, 00:36
This is really interesting; what we are seeing now is a range of figures that simulate behavior in stats and abilities. The first one was Iron Man. He has a dial specifically designed to represent how he fights "in story." Now here is a Kitty/Lockheed combo that does the same kinds of things. I like this approach to character design. It really adds to the play value of the game. And while Kitty isn't really my favorite X-man, it's a nice novelty to see Lockheed in the figure's concept and cost. I want to see more of this in future expansions.
Actually, it all seemed to start with Batman. He had powers in sequence that seemed to tell a story during a fight. Nice idea. Keep up the good work!
Darth Sabre
03/13/2003, 00:43
EXCELLENT! This will be a most useful figure.........2 weeks..................Excellent
Thanosied
03/13/2003, 00:47
Expected more of a Lockheed + Soulsword combo which would have added a little more than EE. A click or 2 of EE and then BCF for 1 or 2 with 6 range for maybe another 10-15 points would have been real cool. Add a sword on that figure and watch her fly off store shelves. She is still one of the best uniques in the set and will be a very popular character to get in this set. Cool figure too..
NathanielEssex
03/13/2003, 01:04
If anyone would use the SoulSword, I think Magik or Illyanna Rasputin would be a better choice. Her regular New Mutants outfit would be her R/E/V clix and her Sorceress form with the SoulSword and her full armor could be a unique.
Manchine
03/13/2003, 01:06
In that case Doom could have the Soul Sword also. He did posess it at one point in time. I really dont like this unique. Other then Lockeheed its nothing special.
Thanosied
03/13/2003, 01:24
She had the Soulsword and if your going to make a Unique of a character in the same set, why not go all out. I agree with Majik and Colossus's sis having it too but Shadowcat with it would have made her far better, have a higher cost and she would be alot different than the R/E/V versions.
This is just another gripe of what the creative team could have done. If your going to go all out go all out. Of course If Doom had it its like Thanos having Cosmic Cubes, it would have been obtained through a quest for more personal power and would add probably 1 damage or more Outwit.
Jadehorde
03/13/2003, 02:23
Don't really see them trying to go all out...it's more like they're trying to add a beloved character (to a small group of fans) without having to try to make stats for a little purple dragon.
Think it's cool they went to the effort.
Otherwise, IG or Cosmic Cube Thanos is coming out..for 10,000 points minimum.
Though the superstrength Cap might be pretty cool.
MarkFinn
03/13/2003, 02:32
Originally posted by Thanosied
She had the Soulsword and if your going to make a Unique of a character in the same set, why not go all out. I agree with Majik and Colossus's sis having it too but Shadowcat with it would have made her far better, have a higher cost and she would be alot different than the R/E/V versions.
This is just another gripe of what the creative team could have done. If your going to go all out go all out. Of course If Doom had it its like Thanos having Cosmic Cubes, it would have been obtained through a quest for more personal power and would add probably 1 damage or more Outwit.
This is a terrible idea. I just wanted to chime in on this.
Thanosied
03/13/2003, 02:38
Yeah they did do a good job with the little Dragon but all Im saying is the fig ends up being almost the same, which I guess makes sence. Good job on this one. I kinda didn't really think the Hulk was quite worth the cost(201)? Does anybody else realize thats 2 V Abominations.
Wow look at the numbers I don't get how it adds up. Does 2 clicks of 5 damage and 1 extra click constitute 101 points, he doesn't even have regeneration(the staple of the Savage Hulk)? Wowza. Well I will play him even though I think like all Hulks he is a little overpriced.
Well do we get one more preview or two? Or will they even bother with a second if the set is released on that day? Love the Phasing don't know about the flying but I guess it would have a good representation with her being able to phase others. I would have loved some TK/BCF to acknowledge her ability to phase in and out objects(much like Vision does his body parts).
Thanosied
03/13/2003, 02:41
How is this terrible she has a sword and BCF after EE with a 7 maybe 8 attack. Her fig would have a sword in one hand and a Dragon on the opposite shoulder, sounds pretty darn good to me. A really cool figure no too ways about it. Mark Finn is in LA LA Land or the Valley of The Leppers one or the other.
Invis-slayer
03/13/2003, 02:47
I must say...HORRIBLE sculpt
YUCK YUCK YUCK
MarkFinn
03/13/2003, 02:51
Originally posted by Thanosied
How is this terrible she has a sword and BCF after EE with a 7 maybe 8 attack. Her fig would have a sword in one hand and a Dragon on the opposite shoulder, sounds pretty darn good to me. A really cool figure no too ways about it. Mark Finn is in LA LA Land or the Valley of The Leppers one or the other.
Look, if you want Magik, then ask for Magik. Don't give Kitty Magik's sword, she barely used it. If you want Kitty with a sword, how about the Ninja Magic Kitty Pryde a la the 6 issue mini-series with Wolverine?
It's not such a terrible idea so much as it's a stupid idea. It's like doing a Falcon Clix with Cap's shield because he used it once in the comic book when they were partners. Cap's shield is for Cap. Illya's Sword is for Illya. Lockheed is for Kitty. Hence, the dragon, and not the sword.
And what makes you think there are Lepers in L.A.? Vampires, maybe....
redherringj
03/13/2003, 02:52
Awesome!!!
That is all.
If you go to the wizkids website, you can rotate the figure and it looks a lot better then the chosen angle posted. Lockheed looks really good for the size they made him. It isn't like they are using metal.
redherringj
03/13/2003, 03:03
With the discussion earlier about the designers factoring in characters with their powers, I had a thought...
How the heck could WK make a Multiple Man fig (assuming they would, which they wouldn't from what we know so far)? Just saying... he's one guy that the PAC sure doesn't cover, and theres no way to really make him.
Just a thought.
ScrewOnHead
03/13/2003, 03:14
simple. just a really common, cheap thug in an x-uniform with the x team ablity. it would actually be pretty ####ed cool if you ask me....
Thanosied
03/13/2003, 03:14
For Multiple Man you could just put 3 guys on a base. Give him like shapechange and some other junk but have him go up in his dial by ones to represent multiples than at the end poof!! he dies.
As for Shadowcat she had the Soulsword a hell of a while so to have it does make sence and besides Majik and Illyana will probably never be released for like 60 sets or so because there either dead or traped in the future, or past, or wherever they put characters they want to forget about.
Soooo why not the sword or even and object in general just to bring up the point that her main offence is transluting items threw people. I originally thought it would be an excellent idea for a figure but what the heck I will settle for the mini Dragon he is pretty cool too. :)
PantherPriest
03/13/2003, 03:15
Is good, colossus like kitty.
Dragon nice concept with the whole two in one fig, how about the original dora milaje on one base?
I agree with MarkFinn, on all his posts,
goodnight
Thanosied
03/13/2003, 03:24
What is this kiss my and Ill kiss yours?
quote: PantherPriest
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I agree with MarkFinn, on all his posts,
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Why do people decline to think for themselves? This is hillarity at its best. I agree with such and such on all his posts. LOL. Gotta love that one. Okay I wish I had a lackey of my own like that but I have to take what I can get :). But seriously that was only a comment to agree with a disagreement against things I post. I love that stuff.
Jadehorde brought up great points why can't PantherPriest? Is Wakanda's educational system there that poor? Common guy. I can't wait for a Mark Finn post of I hate some race group or something just to laugh at those comments.
Well Shadowcat U is very cool, well done all. If Jon L is involved on this piece congrats you have a winner here. :) Thanks and GOOD NIGHT
MarkFinn
03/13/2003, 04:53
You don't get it, Thanoseid.
If you like the piece so much, why in the didn't you just say so in the first place? Your initial post sounds like you're trolling. That was my reaction to your post. And my explanation that followed.
It's your reaction that bothered me right out of the gate. Here's a preview of a unique and your first post centers around how they should have made it more powerful to represent your favorite version of the character. Only five posts later do you say, Great Job, thanks, and Good Night. The other posts all have some degree of "well, why wouldn't my suggestion make it better?"
I realize that idle speculation is a part of these forums, but man, sometimes, particularly on sneak preview day, I get really irritated at the experts who come out of the woodwork to refute the preview and the stats. Maybe you were just trying to throw out a compliment in some sort of twisty, Canadian way, but it sure didn't sound like it. Or maybe you just wanted to stir things up. Who knows what goes on in your head. It just seems like you're coming from a point of, "She should've had Magik's sword." And most people will say, "No, she shouldn't." So, why bring it up?
Ever?
Originally posted by redherringj
With the discussion earlier about the designers factoring in characters with their powers, I had a thought...
How the heck could WK make a Multiple Man fig (assuming they would, which they wouldn't from what we know so far)? Just saying... he's one guy that the PAC sure doesn't cover, and theres no way to really make him.
Just a thought.
If they ever wind up doing a set with mounted figures (ie, Ghostrider...) they could just use one of those extra long bases and cram a whole bunch of guys on it. Could work....
Or just make him really cheap like a generic so you could put out lots of him in play at once.
StormMaster
03/13/2003, 07:43
I think I like my mod of Kitty and Lockheed better (see link at bottom of post if you want to see it). I mean they could have at least changed the sculpt to the puffy shirt (the one I put on my mod)...lockheed looks cool though.
the itsy bit
03/13/2003, 08:03
Originally posted by Flinch
Or just make him really cheap like a generic so you could out lots of him in play at once.
why not simply make mutiple man as generics ?!
and then Madroc the real MM as a unique !
Shadowcat..
nice job !!
Lockheed makes for a nice clean-up fig when the taxied fig does the damage.
And I don't have to have the unique version of her because she's also available in R/E/V !
GamingRookie
03/13/2003, 08:35
I, for one, like the old X-Men costumes.
Too bad Beast won't be suited up . . .
Invisible_Jon
03/13/2003, 08:44
Greetings All,
I >LOVED< The New Mutants (I collected the entire series.) and Excalibur (Issue 0 through to and past the Cross-Time debacle.) If I remember correctly, the Soulsword doesn't hurt anything that isn't magical, right? That means that the proposed BCF for having it would be incorrect, except in very limited circumstances.
...Oh, and for the record...
[uber-geek]
I think that only Magik should have it. It's all about "character totems". When you think "Shadowcat", you think Phasing, zorching tech-items that she phases through, and then Lockheed. Being a magic ninja and wielding the Soulsword come later. Lockheed definitely comes before the Soulsword (In my mind at least.). When you think "Magik", you think Teleportation through Limbo, then the Soulsword and armor. The Soulsword is Magik's totem, not Shadowcat's.
[/uber-geek]
Best Regards,
A_Higher_Level
03/13/2003, 09:08
Originally posted by Thanosied
I kinda didn't really think the Hulk was quite worth the cost(201)? Does anybody else realize thats 2 V Abominations.
Wow look at the numbers I don't get how it adds up. Does 2 clicks of 5 damage and 1 extra click constitute 101 points, he doesn't even have regeneration(the staple of the Savage Hulk)? Wowza. Well I will play him even though I think like all Hulks he is a little overpriced.
Hulk is suppose to be the most physically powerful character in the Marvel Universe (similar to Superman in the DC Universe), and before this Savage Hulk, the highest rated game in the Marvel HC was the vet Dr Doom weighing in at 198pts.
For 201pts you get an ubberpowerful character that never does less than 3 clicks of damage, can be taxied at all times, and can make ranged attacks by throwing objects till there are none left on the map.
Overpriced? Only if your name is the Leader and you're lookging for something to mindcontrol.
Melkoloran
03/13/2003, 09:14
Very cool. I hadn't expected to see Lockheed, so that was a nice surprise.
drhypnotic
03/13/2003, 09:24
Heroclix, Lockheed - Hope You Survive the Experience!
too good
Victor V.D.
03/13/2003, 09:32
I like the idea of adding the dragon to the figure for
a ranged attack...Heroclix's first "familiar"!
As far as the sculpt, it does look better when you
rotate it (I've noticed that a lot of them are like that,
clix don't seem to be very photogenic). And speaking
of rotating...
Was Kitty Pryde ever that...developed?
EH! With all of the costume changes she went through in her career, you'd think they could have picked a better one than just the old blue and yellow. Not a complaint, just an observation. Overall I like the idea this fig represents.
Veggiehater
03/13/2003, 09:33
About the only thing I don't like about the fig, is the costume they chose to put Kitty in. (Would've preffered the Blue one from the Excalibur days...)
Great job Wizkids,
VH
bjmc1975
03/13/2003, 10:00
My only real objection to this figure is that they gave us this instead of an Iron Man variant, or one of someone less B-list at least (Storm, say, or a yellow Daredevil, or someone new). Am I the only one who thinks it odd that there are going to be five Shadowcats come April? And that none are named "Ariel" or "Sprite" on top of that?
space_cowboy
03/13/2003, 10:03
Is it just me or does this look like Jeff Grace is up to his usual tricks?
i like it but would've lked the blue costume better since I think the R/E/V version is in this costume. oh well. :-)
she is awsome now if i could get one of her that would be better
Savage Hulk and his mega points?
Who cares!
He is nothing compared to the all mighty Kang!
Someone involved in the game reading these stupid posts...please, just for me, remake Kang. His damage is embarassing after his first click, he...
whine whine whine...Okay, he does need work though.
Aaron...shhhhh!
Quit with the sword already. That was Magiks domain really since only 1 should have (had) it.
On to the actual post....
Shadowcat=Uber taxi
Shadowcat=kinda ugly fig (she is no Storm fig!), but nice Lockheed
Love,
Me.
Originally posted by Hellboy
HAHAHAHAHA! YES! YES! AWHAHAH! YES! Yes InDeeD! Finally a charcter in the old Xaiver Institute togs! Is my fervent wish for a new mutants team a little closer? I think so. Kitty was demoted to New Mutants staus for a little while some time after that team was formed. she continued to chum around with them. Does the R/E/V also have this costume? that would be unfortunate, as they would have to sculpt/add the 'dragon' anyway..... but I digress. The X Team is looking sharp with this next set. Go Muties!
That's the X-Calibur tres gouche X-Men retro but new suit she's sportin' there.
And I thought Xplosion hit next week (Wednesday)....that would be the 26th...this ISN'T the final preview?
predator322
03/13/2003, 11:39
ok she looks nice but the only time i hve ever seen lockheed is with colossus' little sister Magik o well may be i am wrong
Basil Elks
03/13/2003, 12:45
It looks awsome, but why isn't she in her mid '80's - mid '90's costume?, You know the one that we all know & love.
scissors
03/13/2003, 12:47
You're wrong. Lockheed is usually with Kitty
Starman973
03/13/2003, 13:02
I like this figure for what it is, Kitty before she joins excalibur. And like the person in the post I also got into X-men at that time, but it was through the reprints. The X-team I always love was Excalibur. This is a nice stand in till we get the Excalibur Version. Maybe with a Unique with her having one arm of Magicka's Armor and her soul sword? So Yes this is good, but only for what it is.
Joe Kerr
03/13/2003, 13:32
For some reason I see a lot of bent Lockhead's. She should be nice to play.
DS-00-0, FSD
03/13/2003, 13:39
Originally posted by Joe Kerr
For some reason I see a lot of bent Lockhead's. She should be nice to play.
Yeah, this one's going to need a blast from the hair-drier to straighten out. I mean look at the image they used. Kitty's leaning way to much for my taste, but it's easily rectified.
urlmaker
03/13/2003, 13:49
A few things... I will preface this by saying that I HAVE a Psylock and I HAVE a U Shadowcat. (yes, envy me) Like some women I have met Psylock looks alot better in person then in a picture. If you got a good paint job her eyes aren't messed up and are in proportion to her face. But this is about Kitty. The U Shadowcat is exactly the same sculpt and paint job as... Shadowcat R/E/V (well except for the lockheed stuck on her arm... I am a big 80's X-Men fan, consequently a big Shadowcat fan and they really could have done a seperate sculpt for her. However, even with that being the case, I am VERY happy to have one and I think most of you who get one will be happy too. She is versitile she is sleek and she has a fricking dragon. How cool is that. I think she is much more usefull then her R/E/V counterparts which have 0 range obviously and no attack powers. This is a taxi with bite and an edge. Very fun. I didn't even pull the Shadowcat. I pulled a U Sauron (with no base, but the very kind booth attenents at the con felt my pain, and exchanged him for one in the display case) and saw another guy with U Shadowcat I OOGLED and OOGLED some more, and asked him if he liked Sauron to which he was overjoyed. So we traded. I know that Sauron is more of a beast, but I prefer subtlety in my games and U Shadowcat will round out alot of good teams.
I love when they do stuff like this, try new things, like combining two figures into one!
Bravo!
Liked her Mechanix, and looking forward to the new New Mutants series,
Tim
Joe Kerr
03/13/2003, 14:03
Does anyone else think she kind of looks like the S.H.I.E.L.D medic?
Doctor Strange
03/13/2003, 14:20
This is cool stuff. They finally made one of my major wants. I've tried to sculpt this figure long ago, but lockheed was just too difficult for me.
Shadowcatrocks
03/13/2003, 14:34
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!
They finally made her...and she's got a rockin unique....the first thing i said when heroclix first came out was they should do a 'cat and a unique one with lockheed. i never actually thought they would though.....im very impressed and her powers are good also...from what ive seen i think they should have given her b/c/f just for the first click on her vet version and a few clicks of incap after that...but all around she's solid.
Dr Phibes
03/13/2003, 14:45
Well throwing my 2 cents in I like what they did with the character and the combining her with Lockheed but I'm not thrilled with the sculpt. Besides all the potential problems with bent figs I think a different position for the Dragon might have worked better. Say with him curled around her legs or something. But that's just my opinion.
Originally posted by Kid Zemo
I am kinda disappointed - I had hoped for the blue 'puffy-sleeved' outfit for the unique. Ah well. Welcome to Heroclix, Lockheed - Hope You Survive the Experience!
Kid Zemo
I know exactly what you mean. But she still looks cool, and we can still modify and repaint her to match her old blue/light blue "puffy sleeved' outfit". And she has Lockheed just like a lot of us were hoping.
SuperSkrull
03/13/2003, 15:16
Originally posted by MarkFinn
Maybe you were just trying to throw out a compliment in some sort of twisty, Canadian way, but it sure didn't sound like it. Or maybe you just wanted to stir things up. Who knows what goes on in your head. It just seems like you're coming from a point of, "She should've had Magik's sword." And most people will say, "No, she shouldn't." So, why bring it up?
Ever?
The point is you shouldn't, and I agree with you Mark.
Don't use the fact that this guy is Canadian against the rest of us up here tho... ;)
Joe (who is Canadian, and not a troll...)
Red Gambit
03/13/2003, 15:32
YES! Sweet! This is even cooler then the Iron Man preview. I can't wait. I hope to get this Unique!
Wow, this unique and Nightcrawler would rock to have on a team. Not to mention Colossus, Wolvie, Storm - yeah! Totally old school!
At least she doesn't have a bone claw! Ha ha ha...
djensen47
03/13/2003, 16:09
All we need now is Captain Britain and Meggan and that little robot head guy and you could have the original Excalibur team.
Do the two get KO'd at the same time, of do lockheed's powers disapear but the cat remains?
bullseye100
03/13/2003, 16:51
page 5 baby---yeah, hoooo!! and she's alright, i guess.
Thanosied
03/13/2003, 16:51
The point is this on the sword and then I will let it die. Illyana died Shadowcat got the sword and thats it. Super Skrull is another one of Mark Finn's lackeys. But when will Mark Finn try reading a full post for once? I said I liked the fig like 3 times and I still do. I actually read your drivel and you should do the same before you start yapping about this and that and runnin your mouth.
Well the fig is cool and I like her big titties (they where small in the comics). Dragon is cool and she will be a fun character to play, she makes for a good taxi that can finish guys off. She is able to push once and keep her SS so she can be very effective in battle. Please don't be hasty to judge unless you read and entire post please!!!
P.S. Carl, Johnny is off on Sunday so leave your schedule free or its the beats and woman jokes again. LOL
BigPoppaVej
03/13/2003, 17:11
I was also hoping for a Soulsword Shadowcat. I wasn't really expecting it but I had high hopes. I love Kitty, prolly my favorite X-men type character. And why not give her a unique with the soulsword? I mean we're getting a "Super Crazy Ultimate mind controlling magical ninja madness" Elektra who had a 6 issue mini series right? We got a Batman with the Kryptonite gaunts. yadda yadda etc.... You get the idea. The fig still looks cool though and is likely going to be my fave character. She's #1 on my list to get for sure. Anyways that's just my $.02 .
Kaitouace
03/13/2003, 17:18
But she basically just kept the sword after Illyana died. I'm not even sure if she ever used it. Then she basically forgot she had it until Amanda Sefton came to take it from her. It's a nice idea but I wouldn't waste a Unique on it. Besides if they want they CAN use Magik since she just reappeared in the Exiles comic book. And she was looking pretty nice too there I might add.
Thanosied
03/13/2003, 17:28
She would phase the sword in and out threw people but anyways, I will admit its not her sword, I will admit it may not be for her, but you might aswell throw a little extra in I mean jeesh. Plus if Elektra gets the juice why the hell not someone else?
Responding to the Hulk point from before his lack of charge at some point really makes me think that the 2 V Abominations would easily(A NO BRAINER) destroy that Hulk. All be it is really hard to portray a character that can only be stopped by teleporting him through different universes(DR.Strange).
Kaitouace
03/13/2003, 18:01
Originally posted by Thanosied
She would phase the sword in and out threw people but anyways, I will admit its not her sword, I will admit it may not be for her, but you might aswell throw a little extra in I mean jeesh. Plus if Elektra gets the juice why the hell not someone else?
Nothing wrong with someone else "getting the juice". Just not Kitty. At least not that way. Elektra's deal is based on a whole mini-series. Like someone else said if they wanted to make an uber-ninja Shadowcat with flying, BCF, incapacitate (since no CCE), willpower, phasing, etc. that would be cool. Or they could be real annoying and give her some sort of errata to simulate her damaging electronics by her phasing. Something to the lines of "When Shadowcat phases through a "mechanical" enemy that character must roll one 6 sided dice. If they roll a 1 or 2 they take one click of damage."
So that affects characters like Ultron and suited characters like Doom, Iron Man, and Crimson Dynamo. Of course that just makes her even more desirable. But it would make her more than just an uber-taxi.
They ought to do something like that with Vision too. Make him a bit more interesting to use.
StormMaster
03/13/2003, 18:14
If you have trouble making a lockheed/kitty figure, just form Lockheed as if he is hanging off her back, with his frontal claws at her front (ala my mod of her and lockheed at the My Mods link below).
The more I look at the stats and pic of U Shadowcat, the more I like it. I can't wait to field her on my favorite period in X-Men team.
V Storm, V Wolvie, U Shadowcat, U Nightcrawler, V Colossus, and Cyclops since he was on that team too really.
spartan89
03/13/2003, 18:30
awsome!
Thanosied
03/13/2003, 18:50
I totally agree with that power and the fact that characters like Vision and possibly the Martian Manhunter should have it aswell. From what I have seen thus far it doesn't look like those powers will ever come out they just keep re-using the same old ones and don't encorporate new ones. The reason I say this is they have had a great chance at doing just this many times.
Hulk, Wolverine and other such characters having an Enraged ability(Battle Fury but not a negative)maybe like REDUCE CLOSE COMBAT DAMAGE BY ONE AND HAVE THEM IMMUNE MC. That would ROCK. What you where saying sounds also like a great idea.
Well new abilities and team abilities would rock. Maybe an Infinity Watch, West Coast Avengers or even X-Force team (Cable, Shatterstar, Domino, Thunderbird(or Warpath), Sunfire and Wolfsbane). That would be the coolest but doesn't look good. I do have hope though common Jon L challenge to do some new creative stuff. :)
MarkFinn
03/13/2003, 18:52
Originally posted by SuperSkrull
The point is you shouldn't, and I agree with you Mark.
Don't use the fact that this guy is Canadian against the rest of us up here tho... ;)
Joe (who is Canadian, and not a troll...)
Point taken, Joe. No disrespect to any of the other Canadians with a dna strand that zips all the way up. I gotta lot of love for y'all.
I strongly suspect this will be THE chase figure of this set.
Thanks for making them, WK.
Now give Lockheed some "Alien Brood" to flash fry...
AtB
Noman
Originally posted by Kid Zemo
I am kinda disappointed - I had hoped for the blue 'puffy-sleeved' outfit for the unique. Ah well. Welcome to Heroclix, Lockheed - Hope You Survive the Experience!
Kid Zemo
My sentiments exactly, the blue outfit rocked. But, instead you get the regular figure, with a blue blob attached. I rarely make these kinds of statements, but that figure looks like ###.
I mean, in a world where you have a Unique like Mojo, that is just amazingly detailed, how can they even justify this figurine? It looks horrible, and is a horrible version of her costume, a generic X-man costume.
I'm really disappointed, Shadowcat was one of my all time favorite X-Men characters, and this Unique is really a lackluster effort from Wizkids.
Sorry, Wizkids, I think you guys do great stuff, but I am just speaking from the heart here. You could have done way better, because you have talent working for you. This is just not it, not by a long shot.
PantherPriest
03/13/2003, 22:28
So, my mortal enemy returns! And he finds himself clever the panther laughs. I do in fact think for myself, and have on numerous occasions in this very forum, with idea's more original than I hear from the likes of you. It just happened to turn out that I agreed with Mark Finn on his posts. It was late, I was tired, and I didn't feel like replying with the same things that had already been said. Me and Mark often disagree, and infact when we first met we argued over the viability of MCD as the Kingpin. I meant all of his posts on this thread. I was primarily speaking of his post at the beginning of the thread. Shadowcat, soulsword? It wasn't hers, but I don't care give her a sword.
And in fact Wakanda's education is far greater than any you'll ever recieve
"Why do people decline to think for themselves? This is hillarity at its best. I agree with such and such on all his posts. LOL. Gotta love that one. Okay I wish I had a lackey of my own like that but I have to take what I can get :). But seriously that was only a comment to agree with a disagreement against things I post. I love that stuff.
Jadehorde brought up great points why can't PantherPriest? Is Wakanda's educational system there that poor? Common guy. I can't wait for a Mark Finn post of I hate some race group or something just to laugh at those comments."
PantherPriest
03/13/2003, 22:30
So, my mortal enemy returns! And he finds himself clever the panther laughs. I do in fact think for myself, and have on numerous occasions in this very forum, with idea's more original than I hear from the likes of you. It just happened to turn out that I agreed with Mark Finn on his posts. It was late, I was tired, and I didn't feel like replying with the same things that had already been said. Me and Mark often disagree, and infact when we first met we argued over the viability of MCD as the Kingpin. I meant all of his posts on THIS thread. I was primarily speaking of his post at the beginning of the thread. Shadowcat, soulsword? It wasn't hers, but I don't care give her a sword.
And in fact Wakanda's education is far greater than any you'll ever recieve, quite possibly greater than that of the world. and with that remark you may promptly shove your testosterone loaded #### directly down your throat.
"Why do people decline to think for themselves? This is hillarity at its best. I agree with such and such on all his posts. LOL. Gotta love that one. Okay I wish I had a lackey of my own like that but I have to take what I can get :). But seriously that was only a comment to agree with a disagreement against things I post. I love that stuff.
Jadehorde brought up great points why can't PantherPriest? Is Wakanda's educational system there that poor? Common guy. I can't wait for a Mark Finn post of I hate some race group or something just to laugh at those comments."
PantherPriest
03/13/2003, 22:31
oh pardon, the double posting was a mistake
Thanosied
03/14/2003, 01:03
Good Job all that work and then a double post and disclaimer saying sorry. LOL Muwhahahaha
MarkFinn
03/14/2003, 01:14
Originally posted by Thanosied
The point is this on the sword and then I will let it die. Illyana died Shadowcat got the sword and thats it. Super Skrull is another one of Mark Finn's lackeys. But when will Mark Finn try reading a full post for once? I said I liked the fig like 3 times and I still do. I actually read your drivel and you should do the same before you start yapping about this and that and runnin your mouth.
I think we've seen that you won't let it die. It's like this, see: yeah, you are right, she had the sword, but no one thinks the way you do. And I TRIED to give you the benefit of the doubt when you started in on Magik's sword for Kitty Pryde. You seem to want someone to say "Wow, great idea" to your comment, and it's just not going to happen.
Well the fig is cool and I like her big titties (they where small in the comics). Dragon is cool and she will be a fun character to play, she makes for a good taxi that can finish guys off. She is able to push once and keep her SS so she can be very effective in battle. Please don't be hasty to judge unless you read and entire post please!!!
Yeah, it's in reading the entire post that I get to see how much you admire a plastic figure's cleavage. That's what keeps ME playing the game.
And would it kill you to spell check your post just once? I'll give you a million dollars if you'll insert punctuation so that your sentences read like English.
Spookythecat
03/14/2003, 01:20
Here's hoping for a SoulSword kitty in the next set.
No, wait. I want a Ninja Kitty in the next set, cause that's my favorite X-men era.
And a Soulsword Kitty in the set after that.
And, while were at it, I want a Magik figure too.
MarkFinn
03/14/2003, 01:21
Originally posted by Spookythecat
Here's hoping for a SoulSword kitty in the next set.
No, wait. I want a Ninja Kitty in the next set, cause that's my favorite X-men era.
And a Soulsword Kitty in the set after that.
And, while were at it, I want a Magik figure too.
Have you met Thanoseid? You two will get on like a house on fire.
Spookythecat
03/14/2003, 01:50
Joke? Me? Nuh-uh. I'm just a huge Kitty Pride fan. My name even sounds sort of like "Shadowcat." It would tickle me pink if they put a new Shadowcat in every set, like they've been doing with 'lektra.
Thanosied
03/14/2003, 02:10
Well sorry for thinking there was someone home. Knock, Knock oh well join the club but she is a cool fig so I will try not to make too much fun of your roleplaying. Do you do that at home? Some of my fans want to know.
Maybe not. That was a good post that you put up for Mark Finn. It seems more and more this whole forum is not welcoming to an open discussion about ANY topics. And please don't give me examples because I will just ignore you. The only positive agreement is to flame Thanosied or when someone does a good conversion of fig. When it comes to any ideas about characters that have been created, and someone goes "wouldn't it have been cool if so and so had this" or "why did they do that?" The next 5-10 posts are flame posts. 95% of the posts about Shadowcat are positive except a few that didn't like the figs sculpture or Mark Finn the master of being lame. (sorry.... your first post was normal). It is getting so boring with the constant b!tching all the time. Yes I know I am doing it too but come on, it is rubbing off on everyone......
PS Storm should have been a little stronger then what they made her, my only gripe. But I won't complain with a 52 point usable piece that is my second favourite character.
MarkFinn
03/14/2003, 02:47
Originally posted by hemlock
95% of the posts about Shadowcat are positive except a few that didn't like the figs sculpture or Mark Finn the master of being lame. (sorry.... your first post was normal). It is getting so boring with the constant b!tching all the time. Yes I know I am doing it too but come on, it is rubbing off on everyone......
PS Storm should have been a little stronger then what they made her, my only gripe. But I won't complain with a 52 point usable piece that is my second favourite character.
If you're bored, then feel free to not contribute to the discussion. Even when signals get crossed, no one is saying not to talk about time-honored subjects, like broken figs and other done-to-death posts. And it's worth noting that Thanoseid brings a lot of his troubles on himself.
Wouldn't it be more interesting to read posts that make you want to read the next? Like your post right there, it was so useless that everyone should have an auto-delete button in the corner of it to delete it.
[Delete] <== you should have the option to delete this one too. :)
Lockheed:
Wow, I cant believe they made him. Im so happy. There must really be some Marvel Comic reading fans over there at Wizkids! If someone asked me which fig they never would've made, Lockheed would have been on the list. I like him very much.
A simple tweak I would have like to have seen on Shadowcat would have been this: Rookie as is, and Vet over half phased though the flying base (with Exp somewhere in between). I really liked the transformation they did with Sue Storm, so I thought this could've been a nice way to improve on a somewhat boring character. Any thoughts? I would like to to see this kind of transformation on one fig per release (since Im sure its more expensive to manufacture).
Also, an inexpensive flyer with phasing: YUM. I think this will be an excellent playing piece.
PantherPriest
03/14/2003, 12:47
Work, you call that work? That was just a warm up.
Fauntleroy
03/14/2003, 13:30
I was wondering if I could become one of Mark Finn's lackeys too.
Do I have to sign something or take an oath. I would feel honored to stand in the ranks of the M.F.L. with Super Skrull and PantherPriest.
I love Shadowcat. She has always been my favorite Marvel character. Move over Dr Strange because you are now number 2. As a combo they are going to destroy.
Uh. I hate swords. Especially soulswords.
MarkFinn
03/14/2003, 13:41
Originally posted by Fauntleroy
I was wondering if I could become one of Mark Finn's lackeys too.
Do I have to sign something or take an oath. I would feel honored to stand in the ranks of the M.F.L. with Super Skrull and PantherPriest.
I love Shadowcat. She has always been my favorite Marvel character. Move over Dr Strange because you are now number 2. As a combo they are going to destroy.
Uh. I hate swords. Especially soulswords.
I'm working on decoder rings. I'll let you know when they are finished.
PantherPriest
03/14/2003, 17:31
No, no my friend we are not lackeys of Mark Finn we are part of
T.H.W.A.R.T.
Thanos Haters With Ability to Reconcile Tryanny! (Fanfare plays)
I just pulled that off the top of my head, Mark you can make the rings I'll organize a set of secret passwords.
hudson20
03/14/2003, 20:30
Flurry? How would that help him? He can RCE someone right next to him and that would do more damage.
Kaitouace
03/14/2003, 20:53
Originally posted by Thanosied
Now Iceman got the assRAM of the century he controls moisture in the air and peoples bodies and a whole #### load more. But I guess WIZKIDS forgot to read the comics. Like I said a million times "He is a ####ty Magneto". Once he learned how to completely use his powers he could kill any normal human by freezing the water in there bodies. He doesn't do that because he is a "GOOD GUY" but why does Iceman have to suffer just because some game designer doesn't realize his powers are that good?
He learnt how to use his powers now give him his doo's. He has been "AROUND" as long as any other X-Men so why not make him the MAN he is supposed to be? Maybe WIZKIDS wisdom will grow at some point but I don't know when. 'sigh' 'grumble' 'sigh' 'grumble' and one more 'sigh'
You answered your own question. He doesn't have all that because he doesn't do all that. He's a "good guy". That why he doesn't have BCF, stealth, or any other goofy power you'd give him just because he COULD do it. Everyone points to that time he was possessed by the White Queen and all the stuff he did then. Well I hate to break it to some people but out of ALL that goofy junk he did then, he'd gone on to do maybe one or two of those tricks himself.
What he has is just fine as it represents what the character generally does on average. Shoot ice (RCE), freeze people (Incapacitate), slide around on his ice sled. Well not so much anymore (flying), make ice walls (barrier). He doesn't have all that at the same time but he still has it. I'd rather have him low costed like now so I can actually fit him in some X-Men teams. Especially with the X-Men's need for cheap taxis. Shadowcat can't do it ALL.
There's no need to make every single halfway decent character into some monster Elektra Assassin figure just because they have the potential. I'd rather be able to field the guy. And since he's part of a "team" I'm sure that went into account. If you gave him all that stuff people want I'm sure he wouldn't be fitting into many X-Men teams. And that defeats half the purpose of making Iceman in the first place. The only thing I'd change is maybe give him a bit of toughness because of his ice shell. That's it. And if they want to make some White Queen possessed Iceman figure they can make a Unique somewhere down the line.
MarkFinn
03/15/2003, 01:39
So, to bring us back on topic, at least tangentially, I think this is a nice representation of a character with sidekick animal. I think this is a cool way to do characters like Falcon and Redwing, Dr. Mid-Night and his owl, and other supers with "familiars" or "animal companions" or whatever you want to call them. And I really like the idea that the characters are uniques.
Here's a thought, maybe one that you owners of the figure can answer for me: is Kitty Pryde the exact same with or without Lockheed? In other words, is Lockheed's points and powers an obvious thing? I'm asking because I think it might be neat to mod a Lockheed that isn't attached to Kitty's arm...
Kaitouace
03/15/2003, 01:50
I wouldn't mind a Falcon with Redwing. Or maybe a Ka-Zar with his sabertooth tiger (Zabu)?
Looks like the Unique Shadowcat is almost the exact same as the Experienced regular one. Just trade her last click of phasing and 3rd click of Super Sense for 3 clicks of Energy Explosion. The only stat difference is that she keeps 2 damage for 3 clicks instead of one. And her range goes from 0 to 4.
Dalmatio69
03/15/2003, 02:41
"but why does Iceman have to suffer just because some game designer doesn't realize his powers are that good?"
Because hes the guy making the game?
Someone was complaining.
Hmm perhaps I should be more precise.
Someone was complaining about Iceman sucking.
Fair enough.
Now then he was complaining that he was sucking because the full range of his powers were not properly represented in the clix format. However, if we had given him all his relevant powers he would of been around 160-200 point range. Woopie. THe point of the x-men team is having a buntch of fairly cheap, effecient people who can get the job done. We have lots of x-men so that we can use lots of x-men. If we went around making the x-men worth 200 points each like they should then people would be complaining about how difficult it is to use them together. By leaving ice man cheap we are left with room for other x-men as well so that the table can have that nice filled out look. Instead of one godly iceman who gets taken out by someone with outwit and a man with a cowboy hat.
texaswashingto
03/15/2003, 04:27
The Flurry with Incap. is to represent Iceman freezing someone SOLID. Not just partially frozen so you can still move, no when Iceman freezes you, you stay PUT!
Thanosied
03/16/2003, 02:08
And to respond to Comte. I somewhat agree. Its there choices of X-Men that they made HIGH PRICED, this is the issue against yours. Obviously the Designers have to take into affect who is the better X-Men and make them better in the game. For instance with toughness, incapacitate on 2-3 clicks and maybe some EE with 2 more clix of life he would still be under 100 points.
I would have also given him first click Energy Shield because he puts up his Ice Armor almost right away as soon as the battle starts. I also would have given him 2 regular damage on top of RCE because of his hand to hand ice weapon skill. If Beast can do 4 damage(3 + perplex) then for #### sure Iceman can at least do the same and everyone would have to agree.
Not since the Snowball Iceman at the beginning of the series has Beast been better in a fight then Iceman. My god he is pretty much the main weapon of the X-Men. Storm and Rogue are great now, but he has toughness and is in the front lines always. I am not saying make a 200 point Iceman but you got too make him at least 70-90 points because he has been and is that good.
I actually just went through the X-Factor original crew and sorry Jon L but Iceman is a disgrace.. The fig looks sweet but next time make stats that correspond to the coolness of the fig and maybe it will come out correct. Have to say this is the biggest disappointment of the set. Totally inaccurate. Cyclops V 78, Beast V 80, Phoenix U 85, Iceman V 47( If you average out the other 3 members Iceman would be 81 points V which would make him EQUALS to his teamates).
PEACE OUT BROTHERS....
Originally posted by Thanosied
I actually just went through the X-Factor original crew and sorry Jon L but Iceman is a disgrace.. The fig looks sweet but next time make stats that correspond to the coolness of the fig and maybe it will come out correct. Have to say this is the biggest disappointment of the set. Totally inaccurate. Cyclops V 78, Beast V 80, Phoenix U 85, Iceman V 47( If you average out the other 3 members Iceman would be 81 points V which would make him be EQUAL to his teamates).
PEACE OUT BROTHERS....
Except that the Phoenix U is supposed to represent Jeannie from around Uncanny X-men 101-125. So if you go with the actual r/e/v figures that are supposed to represent them now (not that I say the Jean Grey figure does, just that it's supposed to) you have Cyclops V 78, Beast V 80, Jean Grey v 50, Iceman V 47, which puts him on par with Jeannie and brings the average of the other three down to 69.
Thanosied
03/16/2003, 03:26
Here is the V Iceman I created in a couple of hours. I don't know how many points he would cost but probably in the 70-100 range.
Iceman: Same 8 Range - 2 targets - Flying - Xmen
9 Running Shot
9
16 Energy Shield
2 Ranged Combat Expert
9
9 Incapacitate
15 Toughness
2 Ranged Combat Expert
8
8 Incapacitate
15 Toughness
1 Ranged Combat Expert
7
8 Incapacitate
14 Barrier
1
6
7 Energy Explosion
14 Barrier
1
6
7 Energy Explosion or Pulse Wave
13 Barrier
1
This looks pretty close too me. I mean I have all the X-Factor before the new team and I have seen the uber after White Queen Iceman so I pretty much have a good idea of what he can and can't do. Maybe one more click of dead stats like 5,6,12,1 but probably doesn't need it because when he goes down he goes down.
Thanosied
03/16/2003, 03:35
Jeannie that was original was the sit back type. The other three characters are attackers this is why I used Phoenix (she actually got in there and mixed it up a bit). The other 3 would all be pretty equal as comics goes, with powers advantage going to Iceman for sure. That is why I used that average. :) But I hear ya.
Kaitouace
03/16/2003, 15:48
Not really fond of stats that give that "last ditch explosive power" on the dial. Mainly because you can give that to half the Marvel Universe. Plus I don't recall seeing Iceman doing that. Maybe two or three times and if you're going by X-Factor that's not really Iceman in his purest sense since he was "enhanced" by Loki and needed that goofy belt to keep his powers in check. He's nothing like Human Torch and his Nova Burst which he used a decent bit over the years. I wouldn't give him Energy Explosion at all (it's called "explosion" which Iceman does not do) and if you're going to give him a "last ditch" Pulse Wave on his last click it should probably be only on his Experienced version to simulate his powers going out of control when he was in X-Factor.
Thanosied
03/16/2003, 22:02
You do realize he can explode the ice balls or sleds or anything he projects don't you. He can explode anything he creates with the ice. I have seen it a million times. The belt wasn't permanant only for about 20 comics or so. Yes he is a Human Torch, not as fast and doesn't have Nova Burst but way more straight forward and harder to take out because of his armour.
The torch can vaporize missiles and such but lasers and things like that would het through. Iceman is great, way better defensively than Johnny Storm and has more tools up his sleeve.
Johnny has a STRONGER Power because he can desimate a large area but one on one against a foe Iceman is way better. He can do just about anything you can think of.
I also said there was a dumby(near death)click at the end that would give him a 7th click and put him 1 less than Beast which I thought would be the best thing to do. The 7th click would make more sence for the game but less for the comics. Thats why I left it out but you can say what you want about EE because he can blow up anything made of ice(moisture in the air) anything. Make a 100 foot wide slab of Ice and have blow up firing shards of ice down on enemies.
darius_dax1
03/17/2003, 14:49
To all the Iceman crybabies:
Did any of you ever think that there may be another Iceman in a later set that fits your 'special' needs?
If you don't like Iceman don't use him.
This Iceman's most important funtion will be as a cheap taxi for the X-men with some supportive powers.
GET OVER IT!!!
dcclixsuck
03/17/2003, 18:11
I WANNA SEE SILVER SURFER WHOS WITH ME!!
Manchine
03/17/2003, 18:18
dcclixsuck
I like your name but one thing.
STOP YELLING!!!
Thanosied
03/17/2003, 18:23
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shin-goji
03/18/2003, 13:20
Thanosied, this is like the second or third time you've called out for Jon to pay attention to you and your made up stats. What do you want him to do? Call back several thousand figures and delay X-Plosion for months to satisfy your whims. Honestly, what are you looking for? WIll a personal explanation from the creator help you sleep at night?
darius_dax1
03/18/2003, 13:36
He just wants to trade bases between Iceman and Deathbird. Or pencil in new stats or use his crayons to color the dial differently.
LoneWolf21
03/18/2003, 17:05
Would have liked to see the unique in the puffy blue outfit, but the "Warren Ellis/dating Pete Wisdom" era costume (whch she shres with her REV version) works fine I think, and I'm definetely going to try and get her.
Originally posted by Hellboy
Is my fervent wish for a new mutants team a little closer?
I'm hoping so too, Rahne is getting lonely by herself, hopefully we can get either Cannonball, Sunspot, or Mirage in the next set (Maybe Magik and Cypher (either by himself or teaming with Warlock) as uniques?) to fill out the New Mutants a little better.
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