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Think about it.
Classic Captain America (people have been clamoring for a better one)
Bucky
Baron Zemo
Baron Von Struckner (head of Hydra)
Union Jack
Miss America and her husband the original Whizzer
Spitfire
the original Human Torch (Jim Hammond, android)
Toro (I was wrong, he did appear during WWII)
Sgt. Fury (character) and his Howling Commandos (generics)
Baron Blood
The Hyena
Namor (Classic)
The Red Raven
The Blonde Phantom
The Fin
Everybody from the Marvel WWII era (Edit: This is not comics out at the time of WWII, but Marvel characters who lived in the WWII era).
I'll add characters as people think of them.
Classic Capt. America is U Capt. America.
Bucky is any figure that's KO'ed.
Whizzer would be fun because Marvel needs another character with HSS. Too many people have been called Ms. Marvel.
What do you mean any figure that's KO'ed. Bucky was Cap's original partner that was killed when a missle launced by the original Baron Zemo blew up with him aboard. Is that why you say KO'ed characters are "Buckyed"? Besides with as many Spider-man's as they have, another Cap won't matter to much.
Chill. It was an attempt at humor.
Devlin_69
03/13/2003, 18:02
my nickname is bucky!!!
Melkoloran
03/13/2003, 18:12
Originally posted by Devlin_69
my nickname is bucky!!!
How unfortunate for you.
Can't forget Golden Age Namor either.
Captain_Comet
03/13/2003, 18:17
Major Mapleleaf was the Canadian WWII Cap. type.
I think he may have been created soley for the Alpha Flight
Northstar plotline though.
I think there should be set with all the Ms. Marvels!
MidnigherApoll
03/13/2003, 23:41
I think we'll only see Cap (already have), Zemo, Strcker (maybe?), a Human Torch unique (maybe again?), and Namor.
The Human Torch unique could be him halfway through "Flame On".
GoldenAge
03/14/2003, 12:06
A goldn Age expansion??? Not likely. However, it's what I live for!
(from a previous post)...
Okay, I may be showing my age but what about The Golden Age. Sure, we have Superman, Golden age Flash, Hawkman Batman and the retro Captain America but I'd like to see the others that held truth and justice above all else:
Wonder Woman - (absolutely will be made)
Doctor Fate - (absolutely will be made)
The Green Lantern (both Alan Scott and Hal Jordan) - (absolutely will be made)
The Atom
Starman
Black Canary
The Sandman and Sand
Dr. Mid-Nite
Hourman
Johnny Thunder
Mister Terrific
The Spectre
Wild Cat
Star Spangled Kid
The Ray
Red Tornado
Hawkgirl
Not to mention
Captain Marvel - (absolutely will be made)
Doll Man
Dr. Occult
The Black Condor
The Crimson Avenger
The Human Bomb
Uncle Sam
Firebrand
Liberty Bell
Manhunter
Mr. Terrific
Phantom Lady
The Flame and Toro
The Torch (later resurrected as the Vision)
Bucky (for the retro Cap we already have)
The Black Marvel
And for villains:
The Ultra – Humanite
The Injustice Society
-Wizard
-Thinker
-Vandal Savage
-The Gambler
-The Brain Wave
-Per Degaton
-The Fiddler
-The Icicle
-The Sportsmaster
-The Huntress
-The Harlequin
-The Shade
What about Ragman???
There are so many others
The Vision (1940)
Steel
The Shadow
The Phantom
Green Hornet and Kato
The Shining Knight
Miss America
The Creeper (1968)
Captain Comet
Daredevil (1940 version Bart Hill - mute not blind)
Dynamo
The Guardian
Black Hood
And so many more
New teams could consist of:
Invaders
T.H.U.N.D.E.R. AGENTS
The All Winners Squad
The Seven Soldiers of Victory
Freedom Fighters
...Et all
:D
Remember this is the MARVEL Discussion, so we automatically have to throw out your DC people (no hating, just explaining). The Flame was the original Human Torch, and Toro, his sidekick, didn't come around until the 50's if I believe right. We're looking for WWII era characters. The vision was not made from the original Torch, this was a lie implanted by Ultron. The Human Torch's creator stated he had not made the vision. Several of your people I've already listed (Miss America and Bucky). Please repost with which of these is Marvel (sorry, don't recognize most of them) and I'll gladly add them to my list.
PS - for DC the mounted/vehicle click would be "Jeb Stuart and the Haunted Tank"
GoldenAge
03/14/2003, 16:15
Remember this is the MARVEL Discussion
FYI many (or most) of the characters I listed were debuted by comic companies that pre-dated Marvel.
But I will bow to your greatness and no longer post relevant information here.
PS - for DC the mounted/vehicle click would be "Jeb Stuart and the Haunted Tank"
I thought you didn't want to talk DC in this MARVEL Discussion???
Billy Jack
03/14/2003, 16:18
if there is a marvel golden age count me in. I am allready waitting in line, walking up to the cashier and giving the comic shop owner my money for the week.
I Am The Game
03/14/2003, 23:31
Red Raven
The Fin
Blonde Phantom
Generic pre-code axe murderer figs with severed heads in hand?
Needless to say, I'm outta ideas...!
I was wrong Toro was in the WWII era.
Jean_genie
03/15/2003, 19:10
I don't think I'd be interested in an all Marvel/Timely Golden Age set. I'd buy some of course, but it certainly wouldn't be my favourite set. I think it would fit nicely into a "Golden and Silver Age set". Many Silver-Age characters have changed since before brought into the modern Marvel timeline, so there would be room for differences. As far as Golden Age goes, I just don't see enough guys that are still popular to make a whole set. To me, there's the Invanders and about 4 other guys - everything else is just Puppet Masters and Constrictors.
I think jean_genie summed up it up pretty well. I don't think there are enough recognizable and wanted figures in to support a Marvel/Timely Golden Age set.
In GoldenAge's defense, too, I do think that there are enough characters who fit that definition on the DC/National side. A good number of their Golden Age characters were active up to Zero Hour, and several are still featured in JSA. Also, during the 80's (which does seem to be a good part of the targeting for what characters make it into the sets) DC had multiple Golden Age titles running and popular.
I think that for basic sales success, though, that mixing Golden Age figures in with the regular sets is the way to go.
bizarrome
03/15/2003, 20:07
I don't care how they arrange them, I want to see them put them out. And as far as popularity is concerned, I think that that is an individual thing when you are talking about golden and silver age characters. Sure some of the older characters are still known by the newer readers today, but It doesn't change how those of us that were there feel about them. I think there is enough interest for the golden age characters to be included a few at a time.
Consider this: I don't care for Lobo, Mojo, Longshot, Deadpool, or the current Aquaman. But I still know who they are and what rolls they play in their respective universes. But I don't read them or get any figs of them.
Same goes for the Golden and Silver Age characters. Get to know them. I doubt very many of you all knew who the Mimic was the first time you picked up a comic. Outside of the Superman Family, Marvel Family, Batman Family, the Super Friends, and Spiderman, the Hulk, and the X-Men, I doubt anyone knew all of their favorite characters until they discovered them and learned more about them.
See it goes both ways learn about the historic ones just as you learn about the current ones.
Example: Now there are are great number of people who know that the Spirit of 76 was formally called the Fighting Yank in the true golden age. Now this is a character of importance because he took over for Steve Rogers as Captain America when Steve was frozen and Bucky was lost. So he may not be known by many people but he played an important role. As did the Patriot from WWII he took over for the Spirit of 76 as Captain America when the Spirit was killed by Adam II the Synthetic Man. Who was the second android creation of Prof. Horton who tried to take over the workd. So the Patriot was the Cap of the All Winners Squad. Some of you guys may not have known this, but it was a pivital time during the legacy of Captain America.
So just because you don't know who they are, doesn't mean they are not good. After all, which of you could name the entire roaster of the JLA, or the Avengers before you read about them in a comic book??
I am waiting for my Golden Age Starman and Silver Age Aquaman. And remember, without them you wouldn't have the current versions that are out there today...
Jean_genie
03/15/2003, 21:30
I know what you're saying, and you do have a good point - a lot of people really don't give 'unknowns' enough credit. But if you look at if from the other point of view: how many comic fans want to shell out 20 bucks so you can have 3 boosters full of characters with only 1 your recognize? I can understand having a bunch of unknowns, but the fact is that most all golden age Marvels are unknown to the general comic-reading public .... at least those in the age group that HC seems to be targeting.
And secondly, characters like the Spirit of '76 are not only unknowns, but they will be seen as a less famous version of Cap that does the same thing. Which of course he basically is. Well .... either that or they'll pull him out of a blister, and then check to front to see if they're playing the "Freedom Force" expansion. But just being important doesn't make him interesting. Hell, Hank Pym was probably just as important as himself, if not MORE important than when he was in costume. But that doesn't mean he'd make a good clix figure. I mean, what could he have? Outwit? Perplex? Avengers already have a cheap Outwitter, and there are loads of figures with Perplex. I still want a Pym since I'm a fan, but most people won't.
I Am The Game
03/15/2003, 23:37
No worries about your Henry Pym, Jean_genie, gaming is full of redundancy. You'd think that Magic the Gathering would've run out of ideas by now, but the kids keep buying 1/1 creature cards at the store where I work. It plays like a truck of other cards, but it's new, and it's different, so why not give it a spin?
My worry is when (if?) Heroclix is done with mainstream characters, and have to pick from more specific areas. What will they choose for future expansions, the Golden legends of the past, an Amalgam of losers from recent history, or the Ultimate moneymakers of the present? Considering the vast amounts of Elektra's, I'm afraid that bizarrome and myself will be disappointed with the results...
bizarrome
03/16/2003, 01:10
I know what you're saying, and you do have a good point - a lot of people really don't give 'unknowns' enough credit. But if you look at if from the other point of view: how many comic fans want to shell out 20 bucks so you can have 3 boosters full of characters with only 1 your recognize? I can understand having a bunch of unknowns, but the fact is that most all golden age Marvels are unknown to the general comic-reading public .... at least those in the age group that HC seems to be targeting.
That is why I am happy with getting a few at a time as I stated earlier. And you can't tell me that the readers today don't know who the Silver Age Aquaman or the Golden Age Starman is! Also, There are a lot of older players who have the money to spend. And I agree with "I Am The Game", I expect to be disappointted, Comics in general have been disapointing in general for the past fifteen years, so why would the game be any different. But I still find a few glimmers of greatness in a few (very few) books each month, and I have the same hope for heroclix. Who knows, I have found a few surprises there too.
My worry is when (if?) Heroclix is done with mainstream characters, and have to pick from more specific areas. What will they choose for future expansions, the Golden legends of the past, an Amalgam of losers from recent history, or the Ultimate moneymakers of the present? Considering the vast amounts of Elektra's, I'm afraid that bizarrome and myself will be disappointed with the results...
That's what I expect for Marvel to do. Why not, look at the Daredevil Movie.
And secondly, characters like the Spirit of '76 are not only unknowns, but they will be seen as a less famous version of Cap that does the same thing. Which of course he basically is. Well .... either that or they'll pull him out of a blister, and then check to front to see if they're playing the "Freedom Force" expansion. But just being important doesn't make him interesting. Hell, Hank Pym was probably just as important as himself, if not MORE important than when he was in costume. But that doesn't mean he'd make a good clix figure. I mean, what could he have? Outwit? Perplex? Avengers already have a cheap Outwitter, and there are loads of figures with Perplex. I still want a Pym since I'm a fan, but most people won't.
I hope they make a Hank Pym for you. Heck, I might even buy him. You never know what they will do. Don't count the Golden Age or Silver Age out. There are as many people out there who play this game and collect comics that are from those eras as there are young guys who are not. Heck, even in the sixties and seventies the powers of both companies realized they couldn't knock the Golden Age characters. Too bad the current leaders of those companies continue to make screwed up decisions where it comes to the older characters. But you can't keep them down!! Alan Scott and Jay Garrick and the rest of the JSA is one of the hottest selling titles out there. Just like you can't get rid of Cyclops or Iceman. Face it, these characters have what it takes to go the distance. And so does many of their lesser known counterparts.
GoldenAge
03/17/2003, 13:31
I personally think Marvel is missing the boat. With the success of the JSA (a revamped group containing original JSA characters as well as new heroes who've taken up old mantles) you would think that with just a little creativity Marvel could spawn more than a few "new" popular titles.
Especially in this time when the world (or specifically the USA) is searching for heroes in a miasma of doubt, what would come off better than a revisiting of the heroes and morals of the Golden Age?
When I think about some of the garbage Marvel's taken chances on in the past, is this a bad idea?
DOOMTOY'S TROUSERLESS OPINIONS, so keep the flames at bay...
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We begin with the "Hey, why not" category:
Classic Captain America: We already have him, don't we?
Bucky: Easy enough. Basically Robin, without the Batman team ability.
Baron Zemo: Yes.
Baron Von Strucker: ABSOLUTELY yes.
Union Jack: Yup.
the original Human Torch: Sure.
Sgt. Fury (character) and his Howling Commandos (generics): Between the Fury unique and some of the LEs, we already have these, too.
Baron Blood: Absolutely.
Namor (Classic): There's a difference between the Classic and the current one? And yes, they've put off making this one WAY too long.
The Atom: Sure. Hell, I wouldn't mind seeing the Silver Age Atom, too.
Starman: Sure.
Black Canary: Definitely.
Dr. Mid-Nite
Hourman
The Ray
Red Tornado
Hawkgirl
Manhunter (Okay... I would like to see a Manhunter figure)
Mr. Terrific
Phantom Lady (Oh, yeah. I could get behind this...)
The Creeper (1968)
Captain Comet
Daredevil (1940 version Bart Hill - mute not blind)
Dynamo
The Guardian
Black Hood
The Ultra – Humanite
Wizard
The Gambler
The Brain Wave
The Huntress (actually not a bad villainess... but one of the dippiest costumes ever imposed on a villain)
The Harlequin (speaking of dippy costumes...)
The Shade
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This brings us to the "How" category:
The Spectre (Don't even get me started, here...)
Johnny Thunder (what are his powers? The ability to summon a Thunderbolt figure? That could be interesting -- "My Firelord MUST fry his Johnny Thunder, QUICK!")
Dr. Occult (hell, what WERE his powers?)
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Following this, we have the "Why?" category:
Toro
Doll Man
Mister Terrific (An athlete with no superpowers in a funny suit that no one remembers?)
The Fin (A guy. In a funny hat. Who swims. Yow. Admittedly, swimming anywhere while wearing a funny hat IS a bit of a trick...)
The Icicle (Admittedly, I wouldn't mind seeing him, but I'm fairly sure we're gonna see Captain Cold in the next expansion...)
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And lastly, the "Who?" category (the category where Doomtoy, at least, has trouble imagining ANYONE out there beating his head on the game shop door, whimpering, "Must... have... the... FIN!")
The Red Raven
The Hyena
The Blonde Phantom
Miss America and her husband the original Whizzer
Spitfire
The Black Condor
The Crimson Avenger
The Human Bomb (I have said enough about the Human Bomb, by now, thank you)
The Black Marvel
The Vision (1940)
Steel (What, you mean Steel Sterling? Yow. THAT's goin' BACK a ways...)
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...and we conclude with the "Figures That Would Be Cool, But No One Would Play Them, And They'd Just Pile Up In The Singles Bucket At My Venue For 50 Cents Each" category:
The Shadow
The Phantom
Green Hornet and Kato
The Shining Knight
Firebrand
Liberty Bell
The Fiddler (And his powers are? Um... well... he... plays the violin, and makes stuff happen. Love to see how that would go over with today's audience.)
The Sportsmaster (Um... a big tough guy who commits sports-themed crimes.)
The Sandman and Sandy
Wildcat (the tough boxer guy in the panther suit, or the slinky babe in the panther suit that Roy Thomas stuck in there during the last iteration?)
Star Spangled Kid
Per Degaton
Thinker
Vandal Savage
...I dunno. I mean, it seems like they'd wanna concentrate on the figures that would MOVE, right? And although I'd very much like to see a LOT of these figs, I'm just not sure it's "Mass Market"...
Shame on you Doomtoy! You don't know who Spitfire is? You know who Union Jack I(her father) is, you know who Union Jack II(her brother) is, and you know who Baron Blood(her uncle) is, but you don't know who she is? Oh well, kids these days.
bizarrome
03/17/2003, 16:59
I just want them to make them. I will be the first one in line at the $.50 bargin bin to pick up my team members for all my old teams, The All-Star Squadron, JSA, Seven Soldiers of Victory, The Invaders, The Crusaders, and The Liberty Legion. And, I will be laughing my butt off when my teams of unknown, unwanted, has-beens, beat the snot out of all the current main-stream, well-know, well-liked, "powerhouses" that all the people who think they are in the know like. Remember it's strategy and power, not brawn over brains....
Oh.
THAT Spitfire.
Sorry, I was never a big "INVADERS" reader... I do remember when she popped up as an old lady in that Baron Blood story that Byrne did for Captain America... and her powers were...?
bizarrome
03/17/2003, 18:04
Flammin Super Speed!!!!
ontapmedia
03/17/2003, 18:27
An cool line of retro characters would be this set.
(I would give all Invaders the Defender Insignia)
Captain America
Toro
Namor
Torch
Spitfire
Union Jack
Baron Von Strucker
Baron Blood
WWII James Howlett (Wolverine) Unique
Nick Fury
(r would look like the howling commandoes, e would look like a secret agent and v would be more like his modern incarnation)
Bucky
Baron Zemo
The Whizzer
Dum Dum Durgan
The Sentry
Army Soildier
Army Sgt.
Marine Guard
Marine Commander
Nazi Gestapo
Nazi Storm Trooper
Citizen V
The Truth Captain America (unique)
I think this set would stink. I mean there's not enough women. The characters powers are not so abnormal. An android torch's only advantage might be willpower. We need a better captain america, I agree and I usually love to construct these pretend sets but a DC WWII would be far better.
DC WWII
Wonder Woman Unique (Hypothalia)
Green Latern (Sentinel)
Mr. Terreific
Hourman
Sandman
Wildcat
Johnny Thunder
Starman
The Flash (Jay Garrick w/ yellow stripe and JSA)
Dr. Midnite
Dr. Fate
Spectre Unique (Corrigan)
Shade
Thorn
Icicle
Hawkgirl
Sand (showing his evolution from monster to hero)
The Atom (the original not Ray Palmer)
Army Men
Army Nurses
Nazi Agents
Nazi Troopers
Sgt. Rock Unique
Vandal Savage
Stripesy (yes it is truly pathetic but it existed)
Blackhawk Pilots
Shining Knight
Mr. Terrific (modern)
Hourman (Modern)
Eclipso Unigue
Moduru
Star (modern)
Captain Marvel (Shazam)Unique
Black Adam
I dont know DC's WWII era just seems more colorful
Well, as much fun as generic Nazis and Gestapo officers could be, I'm not holding my breath.
You'll notice they left the swastika brassard off the Red Skull figure. There's just too many parents out there who'd flip out to think of their darlin' babies out at the comic shop playin' Cowboys and Nazis...
CarlosMucha
03/17/2003, 20:01
Golden Age will be cool
bizarrome
03/18/2003, 03:02
I'd buy and play em all!!! Oh, and you left out the Original Star Spangeled Kid! How could you remember Stripsey and not him?? Anyway, I want them all so I can bash all the newbies.... Ah... Nostalgia rocks!!!
GoldenAge
03/18/2003, 13:16
...and we conclude with the "Figures That Would Be Cool, But No One Would Play Them, and They'd Just Pile Up In The Singles Bucket At My Venue For 50 Cents Each" category:
Doomtoy,
It may be that you (or anyone else for that matter) wouldn't originally play Golden Age Clix. However, if Wizkids did a good job representing the characters (as I think they have for the most part thus far) then you and your ilk might be singing a new song once you've seen them in combat.
My thought is that any good Clix is going to become popular weather its from a main stream comic book or otherwise. The better the modeling/powers/cost the more attention a Clix will get.
Just think, an impressive Golden Age release from Wizkids could revolutionize the comic book industry spawning new interest and excitement in the Golden Age era!
(Okay its a pipe dream, but I've gotta keep my hopes up).
Or bring some characters back to the forefront.
bizarrome
03/18/2003, 13:50
Amen Goldenage!! Amen!! After all it happened in the sixties with the forties characters and again in 2001 with the JSA!!!
GoldenAge
03/21/2003, 11:53
Not to mention that the Golden Age characters (if written and penciled right by the "Big Boys" may be the answer that Marvel/DC are looking for to get younger kids into the printed media again.
Okay, let me explain (if I can)...
I know times are different, but kids are kids. It’s all in the marketing. Some really old Golden Age characters would need some thought before they were released into the popular culture. Those characters could be revamped to play on current trends (magna - eek) as an introduction to the more mainstream Golden Age characters and, then, to the rest of the comic industry.
You may be thinking that it sounds far fetched, but so did putting revamped animated versions of the JLA on a box of Mac & Cheese at Kraft (I worked in Marketing/Package design there as an Associate Packaging Manager). Sales were UP and that was before JLA really hit as a TV animated series.
(Okay, Later we put Picachu + togs on the box and that worked even better) :rolleyes:
But I think it’s a risk that just could pay off.
bizarrome
03/21/2003, 18:04
You tell em Goldenage!!
Let's see if I can walk the fence here. I for one would love to see more "Golden Age" clix. I don't think we'll see too many though. That's why I've taken to making my own. Anybody interested just pm me and I'll send you a link to a few pics. I'm currently working on a mounted Shining Knight. So yes I am a huge GA fan but I'm not waiting for Wizkids to make the characters I want.
redskindavyd
02/13/2004, 01:52
I'm sure that most all of you that know me, know I would LOVE a golden age set. If you've seen my site, you also know that at least on the Marvel side, I'm partly there already.
http://www.angelfire.com/sd/redskindavyd/HC/customs.html
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