Fight Club Summerslam 2011-From Now Till Then [Archive]

Arsenalroy2k

04/09/2011, 04:40

Do you feel TNA might finally get any better? Who knows?

The correct answer is "No" and "Everyone but Dixie Carter".

But as for the WWE, I'd say Cena feuds with Miz for another month or so, then Cena moves onto feuding with Rock by Summerslam, as I cannot believe they're going to wait a year to make that match.

I think Del Rio will take the familiar path of being pushed hard, then pulled back a bit and given a B title like a lot of the new guys in the upper midcard/main event scene.

No idea what Taker or HHH will do now. Maybe Hunter can rekindle that feud with Sheamus, or perhaps he can be the next to face Miz.

Another thing is, the future kind of depends on how the draft shakes out for the midcard.

turdburglar47

04/09/2011, 05:16

I'm thinking both Taker and HHH are gonna vanish for a while again, as HHH has made it clear that he's done everything there is to do and he doesn't care about anything else. And Taker's gotta sell the 'I was devastated so the 20-0 Wrestlemania match will be the last one.'

I think Cena will go about his business, maybe mix it up with Miz until the next pay per view, and throughout the next year, the Rock is going to randomly run-in and mess up Cena matches. (Also, possibly we'll get a bit where Cena goes to one of Rock's movie sets and gives him an F-U in front of his lead actress and a bunch of children or whoever he's working with - bonus points if Rock is either wearing one of those CG-sensor suits or some kind of goofy cowboy outfit or whatever) That'll be the slow build to Wrasslemania.

I think now that Christian is officially in the mix for a title shot, given tonight's Smackdown, the turn on Edge is inevitable. It's gotta be a triple threat ladder match at Extreme Rules (which is a crappy PPV title).

They've gotta do something to build The Corre back up into something not a joke. A name change would help. I'd love to see C.M. Punk's Nexus vs. Wade Barrett's Corre somehow.

Is it possible Lay can survive as a face vs. Cool? They've both so firmly established annoying characters that I don't know how they'll earn any crowd support.

Everybody in the locker room will gang up and destroy Michael Cole.

KO Bossy

04/10/2011, 03:30

I'm personally hoping that they ditch this ####ty PG era junk now that Linda is done with her political stuff.

I agree with turdburglar, the PPV names are just AWFUL and have been for a while. Remember the old PPV names? Over the Edge, Vengeance, Fully Loaded, No Way Out, Unforgiven, Judgment Day, Armageddon, No Mercy...now we get names like Extreme Rules, Over the Limit and what I consider the worst, Bragging Rights. That, and a bunch of PPVs named after matches. Seriously? Does that means they're gonna come out with a PPV called "Singles" or "Tag Team"? Then they stole the Great American Bash from WCW and renamed it "The Bash" which is probably the worst name for a PPV I've ever heard. And what about King of the Ring? That PPV used to be awesome. The winner was always someone who was slated to get a push in the near future and become champion, or at the very least someone who was an exciting in ring performer. Well...except Mabel. I still can't believe he won in 1995. That and Billy Gunn in 1999. But past winners like Steve Austin, Triple H, Kurt Angle, Bret Hart, Edge, Owen Hart...great talent there. And then suddenly they got rid of it, and turned one of their most prestigious PPVs into something you can see on Raw or Smackdown. They completely killed it.

Arsenalroy2k

04/10/2011, 05:09

I'm personally hoping that they ditch this ####ty PG era junk now that Linda is done with her political stuff.

Who says she's done? Losing one election doesn't mean she won't try again.

Remember the old PPV names? Over the Edge, Vengeance, Fully Loaded, No Way Out, Unforgiven, Judgment Day, Armageddon, No Mercy...now we get names like Extreme Rules, Over the Limit and what I consider the worst, Bragging Rights.

Bragging Rights, Over the Limit and The Bash are terrible names for PPV, but so were those other PPV names. They just all sound like generic rock album titles. At least a title like Night of Champions (which stems back a bit for traditionalists), TLC, Elimination Chamber, Hell in a Cell, Fatal Four-Way and to a lesser extent, Extreme Rules, flat out describe what the show involves. What kind of matches you're going to get, even if they don't announce anything that far in advance. That I can understand.

But King of the Ring would be nice to see brought back as a PPV.

turdburglar47

04/10/2011, 05:11

Well, I'm not sure how "Over the Edge" is really any better than "Over the Limit," but Bragging Rights is really carpy.

Didn't they just do King of the Ring again and had Sheamus win it?

I'm kinda fine with PG, though. I watched it when I was a kid, and kids watch it now. The R-rated stuff gets them into creepy things like stripping Trish and making her bark like a dog.

MechaFan

04/10/2011, 05:54

Is it possible Lay can survive as a face vs. Cool? They've both so firmly established annoying characters that I don't know how they'll earn any crowd support.

If they really are breaking LayCool apart as I'm hoping that they one of them has to be turned face. Which one it will be I'm not sure but if your prediction that it might be Layla is right then I'm happy with that. I would rather see her as face than Michelle.

Fredwood

04/10/2011, 10:04

I don't know, hopefully they set up the "draft" again. I don't think they can afford to turn Edge, or even Christian for that matter, as Orton isn't that big of a draw as a face as they wanted. Orton needs to do a turn, but Raw doesn't have but one face, that no one likes. Its a tough situation because there isn't anyone around, and they haven't been treating the young guys seriously enough to give them a push.

I'd like to see Christian on Raw, and Orton turn heel again, maybe join Punk (shrug), finally seeing that he's gone soft and he's no longer the guy who punted Punk two years ago. Even though he won @ Wrestlemania, he didn't come off looking any stronger.

I really hope they treat Cody correctly, and handle him with care. Right now he has good momentum, hopefully they won't squash him. Morrison needs to be pushed to main event level, I don't know if you strap him, but give him more of an opportunity than a 6 way.

The weird thing is that there isn't any physically imposing bad guy around (that hasn't been done to death Kane and Big Show are basically jokes at this point after the way they treat them). The top face dwarfs the people he's facing, its hard to pull off the OMG he's so resilient when everyone he faces is 5 inches shorter and 100 lbs lighter than he is. He (Cena) almost needs to turn heel, but you'd have the problem of making children cry, not selling as much merch, and not having anyone to fill that space. So it won't happen, but I'd enjoy it.

michiganj24

04/10/2011, 12:05

I think Vince has said thats it as he does not want to waste more money
Who says she's done? Losing one election doesn't mean she won't try again.

AS to the titles I think ABR takes it from Edge at Extreme Rules due to Christian setting up E and C at Summerslam. I think Vince wants that match but not for the title or as a main event. Plus it seems obvious Edge will lose when they keep bringing up how the ladder is Edge's specialty

As to Miz.. I would have loved to see him against either Morrison or Bryan at ER instead of Cena but it wnt happen.
1) Morrison has nuclear heat right now
2) Bryan is now reducded to not even appearing at Mania
3) Cena has no one else to fight with

turdburglar47

04/10/2011, 15:03

If they really are breaking LayCool apart as I'm hoping that they one of them has to be turned face. Which one it will be I'm not sure but if your prediction that it might be Layla is right then I'm happy with that. I would rather see her as face than Michelle.

Just judging by what happened in that match - Lay was legit knocked off the ropes, and McCool was being a snotrag about it. Maybe they'll get drafted to separate brands or some such.

PhoenixFire

04/10/2011, 15:16

Summerslam will be the next PPV I intend to order unless it gets a mediocre card full of rematches, in that case, I’ll wait till Survivor Series.

- I don’t believe we’ll see any sign of Undertaker until at least the fall/winter.
- I would prefer CM Punk going on his own. Besides the increase in air time he hasn’t been doing all too well surrounding himself with cronies that insist on jumping in 95% of the time.
- As far as the Draft goes; Orton, Daniels, and Santino going off to Smackdown and Kofi, Del Rio, and Kelly Kelly coming to Raw are just a few of the trades I'd like to see. At this point I am not certain on where everyone even belongs since they have been jumping around lately...especially when it comes to the Divas.
- Cole is beyond irritating at this point. If he doesn't get canned then at least maybe they can isolate him to just Smackdown commentating so he can calm down a bit.

KO Bossy

04/10/2011, 15:24

Bragging Rights, Over the Limit and The Bash are terrible names for PPV, but so were those other PPV names. They just all sound like generic rock album titles. At least a title like Night of Champions (which stems back a bit for traditionalists), TLC, Elimination Chamber, Hell in a Cell, Fatal Four-Way and to a lesser extent, Extreme Rules, flat out describe what the show involves. What kind of matches you're going to get, even if they don't announce anything that far in advance. That I can understand.

But King of the Ring would be nice to see brought back as a PPV.

See to me, I at least found the older names catchy. Judgment Day and Armageddon made it sound like what would happen was gonna be the end of it all, which made it sound kind of exciting. The other names just sounded hardcore and violent (No Mercy, Unforgiven, etc) and that sounded appealing. Naming a PPV after a match is kind of lame, I think. Especially since at Hell in a Cell, there was only 2 Cell Matches. Night of Champions I don't mind that much (sounds kind of like a Flare for the Gold to me).

Arsenalroy2k

04/11/2011, 01:59

Judgment Day and Armageddon made it sound like what would happen was gonna be the end of it all, which made it sound kind of exciting.

You'd think that would be the case, but given the serialized nature of sports entertainment it just makes it sound misleading. Nothing really ended at those. Personally, I don't think a PPV should have a name implying a sense of finality if there isn't any.

Fredwood

04/11/2011, 02:16

Bring back King of the Ring. Remember when they'd have a King of a ring Tournament where the winner didn't immediately go into a royalty gimmick that would ruin their career? Instead they'd typically get pushed into a Main-event role (Sorry Billy Gunn and Ken Shamorck) and it was worn as a career building badge of honor? Those were good times huh?

Also KoR gave us Foley thrown 30 feet into a table and chokeslammed to death, and Shan McMahon getting Angle Slammed twice through a window and thrown through about 3 others. Hell most of KotR 2001 was amazing, probably in my top 5.

turdburglar47

04/11/2011, 02:45

You'd think that would be the case, but given the serialized nature of sports entertainment it just makes it sound misleading. Nothing really ended at those. Personally, I don't think a PPV should have a name implying a sense of finality if there isn't any.

Well, to be fair, oftentimes a PPV marks the end of particular feuds/angles.

Also, screw King of the Ring - I want an actual Wrestlemania IV style tournament for the championship. That was the first Wrestlemania I saw and it hooked me on the damn business for life, apparently.

vamroc

04/11/2011, 03:16

spike1138

04/11/2011, 14:32

I'd like to see some attention given to tag-teams again. Bring back the Crockett Memorial Cup or something like that.

MechaFan

04/11/2011, 14:43

I'd like to see some attention given to tag-teams again. Bring back the Crockett Memorial Cup or something like that.

With what tag teams. If you have not noticed WWE dosen't have those anymore. and no, Santino Marella & Vladimir Kozlov dosen't count.

spike1138

04/11/2011, 14:45

With what tag teams. If you have not noticed WWE dosen't have those anymore.

Exactly! Create some incentive for tag teams to compete!

Arsenalroy2k

04/11/2011, 15:53

Santino Marella & Vladimir Kozlov dosen't count.

Yeah, they do. You can't deny the existence of a team, even if they're only together for the sake of silliness. Otherwise, we'd have to rule out Black Gold and Head Cheese as well.

MechaFan

04/11/2011, 16:00

Exactly! Create some incentive for tag teams to compete!

Unfortunatly WWE dosen't care about tag team wrestling so I doubt that they will do that. Sure it would be nice if they did and that was possible but I'm pretty sure that it won't happen.

michiganj24

04/11/2011, 16:08

Black Gold???
Steve Blackman teamed with Golddust???

So right now the WWE has
The Usos
Koslov and Santino (till Koslov gets FE'd)
Corre
and thats it
They should make
Bourne/Tatsu a team
Bring Back Hart Legacy
Bring in that bum from NXT who won the tag title shot with Truth
And put Brodus with someone
Yeah, they do. You can't deny the existence of a team, even if they're only together for the sake of silliness. Otherwise, we'd have to rule out Black Gold and Head Cheese as well.

Arsenalroy2k

04/11/2011, 16:28

Black Gold???
Steve Blackman teamed with Golddust???

Try Booker T.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NJTSpd4_lU

MechaFan

04/11/2011, 16:32

The Usos

Sad thing is that I had forgoten that The Usos even existed. Thats how well they were buried.

michiganj24

04/11/2011, 16:44

Ah I remember that team just never heard them called Black Gold and assumed I missed a Blackman team
Try Booker T.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NJTSpd4_lU

KO Bossy

04/11/2011, 18:55

I think the sport in general is moving away from tag-teams. TNA doesn't have many either. Although I find Beer Money, Generation Me and Ink Inc. more exciting to watch than Santino and Kozlov. Then again, like the WWE, TNA often breaks up good tag teams for some inexplicable reason. I'm STILL annoyed the Hart Dynasty isn't around anymore. It was a team that was already made for the WWE, and then boom, gone. They broke up Miz/Morrison a while ago, who were a pretty well established tag team. While the Miz has had good success as a singles wrestler, Morrison hasn't been given anything. Then of course, they broke up Miz/Show and Jerishow as well. Those were more obvious to eventually come to an end. But my point is that its a bit hard to get people interested in the tag division when there aren't any credible teams.

Its also such a shame that the Corre is a total joke right now. Not even CM Punk's presence can overcome the WWE booking them to job to Kane, Big Show and company at Mania.

KO Bossy

04/14/2011, 20:14

Did we just suddenly stop talking?

Fredwood

04/14/2011, 22:55

You're learning what WWE has, Tag Teams kill conversations /teal

Kevin187

04/15/2011, 00:30

More like WWE kills tag-teams.

vamroc

04/15/2011, 00:54

DroppinSuga

04/15/2011, 08:28

Rebecca Black ft. Zack Ryder - Friday (Remix) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_NaRLf0FBQ)

Arsenalroy2k

04/15/2011, 14:26

The WWE then breaks up the team so each Super Star has chance to grow his own fan base.

Not really the way I'd put it exactly. It's more like, nobody cares so much about the band, but rather the lead singer who can be marketed much easier.

That's of course, not applicable to teams of two major stars put together (IE Mega Powers, Rock & Sock, DX circa '06-on, Brothers of Destruction, The Two Man Power Trip and to a lesser degree, JeriShow).

Fredwood

04/15/2011, 15:15

I don't think WWE actively kills Tag teams, I think there isn't a lot of depth on the roster, or misuse of the talent they do have. WWE is so anxious to find someone that can they can insert into the main-event or push down our throats before they're ready, that they don't have time to develop really good Tag-Teams. Before the only way for many wrestlers to get onto a show was to be a Tag Team and they would cut their teeth before being able to move on to bigger better things. Then when the time came they had matured into a better performers, and in the case of Edge and Jeff Hardy the fans were naturally attached and involved in them.

Case in point I would have loved to have seen Hawkings and Ryder (or the Major brothers) given more of a run, I think by now they could have been a strong team, especially with the big personality Zack has.

MechaFan

04/15/2011, 15:29

I don't think WWE actively kills Tag teams, I think there isn't a lot of depth on the roster, or misuse of the talent they do have. WWE is so anxious to find someone that can they can insert into the main-event or push down our throats before they're ready, that they don't have time to develop really good Tag-Teams.

Thats so sad but true. I would love to see also WWE have some good tag teams and tag team matches becouse I belong to those people that enjoy from those as much as from good singles matches. Expesially when TNA has tag teams like Beer Money, Generation Me and Ink Inc. Seems that WWE wants to sell more merchandise than have good matches.

Arsenalroy2k

04/15/2011, 21:00

Case in point I would have loved to have seen Hawkings and Ryder (or the Major brothers) given more of a run, I think by now they could have been a strong team, especially with the big personality Zack has.

But that kind of proves my point about the lead singer over the band analogy. Zack has gained this standout persona, and has had it since he moved into singles run, whereas Hawkins... not so much. Even when he formed that other team with Vance Archer.

Seems that WWE wants to sell more merchandise than have good matches.

That's pretty much the goal of *every* company. Sell, sell, sell.

DroppinSuga

04/15/2011, 21:13

Is it too much to ask to give Zack a match on TV? Maybe give him a mic for a minute before the match? Geez :(

Fredwood

04/15/2011, 22:05

But that kind of proves my point about the lead singer over the band analogy. Zack has gained this standout persona, and has had it since he moved into singles run.

Ryder hasn't had a run at anything, any heat he's received has been on his own, they haven't used either of them. In fact I believe Ryder is in a Tag team w/ Primo atm, so I'm not sure what plans they had that were so important that they had to break them up.

MechaFan

04/16/2011, 06:11

Is it too much to ask to give Zack a match on TV? Maybe give him a mic for a minute before the match? Geez :(

Sadly Zack dosen't even get in-ring time that jobber like Chris Masters (who by the way should not be jobber in first place) does. I'm sure that he is eventually going to get fired.

turdburglar47

04/16/2011, 12:57

Sadly Zack dosen't even get in-ring time that jobber like Chris Masters (who by the way should not be jobber in first place) does. I'm sure that he is eventually going to get fired.

I believe the correct term is "future endeavored."

DroppinSuga

04/16/2011, 15:09

Zack will never be fired! He's going to main event WM29!

*Continues living in dream world*

Arsenalroy2k

04/16/2011, 15:45

Ryder hasn't had a run at anything

Yeah, he did. During his stint in ECW during its last year. He made it as far as becoming a contender for the title there. He hasn't come close to doing better than that, but that was a run.

I'm not sure what plans they had that were so important that they had to break them up.

If I recall, the tag team of Ryder & Hawkins didn't break up because of any plans for *their* future in particular, but rather the entire stable they were a part of collapsed. Not to mention the whole "Edge-head" gimmick of theirs wouldn't really hold up after that.

Fredwood

04/16/2011, 15:53

Yeah, he did. During his stint in ECW during its last year. He made it as far as becoming a contender for the title there. He hasn't come close to doing better than that, but that was a run.

If I recall, the tag team of Ryder & Hawkins didn't break up because of any plans for *their* future in particular, but rather the entire stable they were a part of collapsed. Not to mention the whole "Edge-head" gimmick of theirs wouldn't really hold up after that.

I don't count ECW as having a run, it was like having a run on Superstars at the end. I don't see what Edge has to do with it, they were a tag team before they were Edge Heads and they could have easily remained one afterwards, even if you had to rehab their image to move away from that angle (which they did with Ryder, Hawkins still looks the same). After all Edge and Christian didn't break up after they dissolved the Brood and revealed that they weren't actually vampires.

Arsenalroy2k

04/16/2011, 16:23

I don't count ECW as having a run, it was like having a run on Superstars at the end.

But it still happened. See, just because it's not on one of the main shows (or wasn't on par with them), doesn't mean it didn't exist and can just be discounted.

I don't see what Edge has to do with it,

It's not so much about him as it is the group he was involved in. I'm saying their breakup was fallout as a part of the dissolution of Edge's stable. It collapsed and everyone went their separate ways, not "everyone went their separate ways but the tag team, who stuck together".

And when they did break up, one went on to be used more than the other, which seems to be the path many other broken up tag teams take, just a much lesser degree of success. Though while Ryder hasn't achieved more than a top contendership in the WWE's B-show, he has gotten more than Hawkins.

they were a tag team before they were Edge Heads and they could have easily remained one afterwards

I'm not arguing that they couldn't have remained a tag team, but fact is: They didn't. And as such, the company gave Ryder the "lead singer" treatment over Hawkins, just not to the same extent as the likes of say, Miz, Jeff Hardy, Edge, JBL, HBK and so on when they broke away from their former teams.

Fredwood

04/16/2011, 17:11

But it still happened. See, just because it's not on one of the main shows (or wasn't on par with them), doesn't mean it didn't exist and can just be discounted.

And? Never said it didn't exist (Unless pointing out things that no one said is a personal past time, then I apologize). A person having a run on the C-Show does not count as the Company having serious plans for the character. If I was denying the existence of the WWE's ECW then the conversation would have gone something like this.

"ECW, what's that? You mean that great wrestling promotion from the mid 90s that Paul Heyman ran into the ground with his poor business acumen? Why, I never recall Zack Ryder ever being a part of that show."

Instead I compared it to him having a run on Superstars, the C-Show that replaced ECW, I guess I could have compared it to Velocity or Heat as well. The point still would have been that they wouldn't have lost any future investment they had in the character if they stayed together because they didn't give him the "lead-singer" treatment; they gave him the "cover-band lead singer" treatment; or "The Roady of the cover-band who has his own band that plays out of the dollar a month rent-a-space behind the Wendy's under the overpass" treatment.

Arsenalroy2k

04/16/2011, 18:53

A person having a run on the C-Show does not count as the Company having serious plans for the character.

I never said the plans have to be "serious". But plans are plans, whether they're on an A, B or C-show. It's not on the level as pushes that came as a result of other tag breakups, but it still counts as a run. And just because the setting has less viewers or relevance compared to the other programs, doesn't mean the situation is different. The team broke up, Zack Ryder got the "lead singer" treatment, while Curt Hawkins... didn't.

You're arguing the scale of the situation places it into a different context. I'm saying it isn't.

The Darkstone

04/16/2011, 19:36

Ryder was also the number one contender for the WWE championship for like 5 minutes before Sheamus squashed him.

MechaFan

04/17/2011, 09:11

Ryder was also the number one contender for the WWE championship for like 5 minutes before Sheamus squashed him.

Yeah he got squashed by Sheamus so fast that it was not funny.

zyxba

04/17/2011, 23:35

Yeah he got squashed by Sheamus so fast that it was not funny.

But now he gets to run around and say I was number one contender bro! I'm actually a big fan of both Ryder and Sheamus.

Fredwood

04/18/2011, 23:17

At least K-kwik isn't in the main event, but what a weird opening, saw the heel turn, but kind of laughed at the smoking bit. I guess they're trying something different with the character thought he might put it out on Morrison for a second, but I don't see this as going well for him either.

Arsenalroy2k

04/19/2011, 02:00

It was an awful opening to the show. Two guys that aren't exactly the hottest on the mic, starting things out? I was sincerely hoping that the second K-Kwik asked for a bottle of water, that HHH would come out.

Or at least Kane coming out when he asked for a light.

And now Morrison has the unenviable role in the PPV of being the guy thrown under the bus so both Miz and Cena can walk away from the PPV with their spots protected. Though given the heat on Morrison, I guess it can't be too surprising.

Grinner

04/19/2011, 02:40

It was an awful opening to the show. Two guys that aren't exactly the hottest on the mic, starting things out? I was sincerely hoping that the second K-Kwik asked for a bottle of water, that HHH would come out.

Or at least Kane coming out when he asked for a light.

Y'know, it just felt off. If it was about 1/2 to 2/3 as long, it would have worked better.

Fredwood

04/26/2011, 00:02

So did they just guarantee Christian winning the strap Sunday? At least with the Cena tease it could have been feasible that they would have had a title swap, but unless they're unifying the championships again it seems a forgone conclusion. Way to encourage buys.

Also with Del Rio gone who is the bad guy on Smackdown? What Mark Henry? They going to give him the title before he retires? Wade Barret, Swagger, Kane again?

I do like the Sin Cara swap, gives him a place to shine without the dangers of live TV, and kind of saw the Orton thing coming.

Arsenalroy2k

04/26/2011, 00:16

So did they just guarantee Christian winning the strap Sunday? At least with the Cena tease it could have been feasible that they would have had a title swap, but unless they're unifying the championships again it seems a forgone conclusion. Way to encourage buys.

I dunno, virtually guaranteeing a person like Christian breaking through to becoming a main eventer seems pretty encouraging.

Also with Del Rio gone who is the bad guy on Smackdown?

Looks like Orton might get his wish and get to turn back into a heel.

Fredwood

04/26/2011, 00:20

Looks like Orton might get his wish and get to turn back into a heel.

I don't know, then you have the same problem but with lack of faces, and I don't think you can turn him right away anyway, maybe down the road. Plus with the Henry turn I think that rules out the possibility of a Christian turn as unlikely as that might have been. Dunno, a weird time for Smackdown I guess.

That said I would like to see a Christian Orton program.

turdburglar47

04/26/2011, 03:56

When's the last time they actually put a mic in Christian's hand? He's been the quietest championship challenger ever.

And that Cena thing was pretty dumb. Pret-ty dumb.

MechaFan

04/26/2011, 04:19

When's the last time they actually put a mic in Christian's hand? He's been the quietest championship challenger ever.

I know from time when he was in TNA that Christian is actually rather good in mic. WWE should really give him more promo time and let him shine.

turdburglar47

04/26/2011, 05:14

Oh, I know he's good. I have no idea why he's barely said anything. Hopefully this Friday gives him a chance to step forward now that the Edge ruckus has died down.

Also, he seems kinda low energy. I'm wondering if he's affected by losing his best friend in the business, or if things are kinda uncertain since they probably planned to heel him up at ER before Edge retired.

michiganj24

04/26/2011, 06:24

Fredwood

04/26/2011, 06:57

I would say this looks like the breakdown for Smackdown
Top Faces Christian, Orton (for now), Kane, Sin Cara, Taker Occasionaly
Top Heels Wade B, Drew, R-Truth (I think he is headed there), Cody Rhodes

The problem is that I don't buy any of those guys has top heels at the moment (in fact I'd buy Henry more), especially how they have a penchant for burying new talent after giving them a push. I think Barret has the highest profile right now, but they need to break him away from the Corre, which they're teasing. I like Kane much more as a heel than a face, and they turned him the last time without much fanfare, he just showed up one day as a face. Now that they split him and the Big Show up, I hope he goes back. I like Cody now but he needs to win at ER, then have a good program or two with other guys. If you're not turning Kane I think he'd be a good match-up from a gimmick perspective, they could have a battle of who is the most fake disfigured. Dunno about Drew they've not done anything with his character, and right now he's just kind of boring. I might be able to buy Swagger coming out of ER if Cole acts like a psuedo mouth-piece manager for him.

I doubt R-Truth is coming over. After he interferes at ER he'll have a program with Morrison, they're investing a lot of time in him. Yesterday's promo was pretty good I think (he totally should have done the little Jimmy likes dancing w/ R-truth with a real kid), if a bit long, he should have quit after dueces. I like the way he played the crowd, then Morrison kind of brought it down (although they were chanting let them go when they were broken up which was kind of nice to hear again). I feel R-Truth was misbooked there, they're trying to heat him up; don't punk him out right after his big turn and coming out party, he should have gotten the upperhand after Morrison blindsided him (Maybe after the referees separated them) and laid him out yet again. Its the most interesting angle they really have going on at the moment (most likely because its new) but I'm still not completely sold on it, mainly because of Morrison's stick work.

DroppinSuga

04/26/2011, 10:18

Unless they're getting rid of the Tag Titles, you can expect Kane to head to Raw during the supplemental draft today.

turdburglar47

04/26/2011, 13:37

Fredwood

04/26/2011, 13:50

I will say I did like that R Truth promo. Nothing like engaging the crowd with their "Whats." It was good enough that last night I actually went back to watch old Stone Cold clips when he started doing all that What stuff. It's so freakin' silly that it's funny again. He even had a shirt that just said WHAT? Greatest and worst catch phrase ever.

And did I just see Wade Barrett, the scourge of the WWE not a year ago, get completely squashed by Rey Mysterio?

All the matches were relatively short, this wasn't a very in-ring day. Sheamus got beat quicker I think. It wasn't like he didn't get any offense against Rey either.

Also Swagger to Raw and Bryan to SD, oh and they're already breaking up the Usos (face), and now McIntyre to Raw. I guess they really don't want any heels on SD.

Arsenalroy2k

04/26/2011, 15:14

As the draft is still going... an update on the Supplemental Draft (with last night's included as well for context):

TO RAW: Big Show, Rey Mysterio, Alberto Del Rio, Jack Swagger, Kofi Kingston, Drew McIntyre, Chris Masters, Tyler Reks, JTG, Curt Hawkins, Kelly Kelly, Beth Phoenix.

TO SMACKDOWN: Randy Orton, Sin Cara, Mark Henry, Sheamus, Ted DiBiase, Daniel Bryan, Alex Riley, Great Khali, William Regal, Yoshi Tatsu, Tyson Kidd, Jimmy & Jey Uso, Natalya, Tamina, Alicia Fox.

turdburglar47

04/26/2011, 16:16

Seems like they might as well just trade rosters save for one or two dudes.

DroppinSuga

04/26/2011, 16:33

So Smackdown now has Barrett and Sheamus. No more mid-card title for Raw I guess.

spike1138

04/26/2011, 16:34

Kane is still on the SD roster?

DroppinSuga

04/26/2011, 16:36

Kane is still on the SD roster?

Yup.

I'm quite disappointed they put Riley on Smackdown. I enjoyed how The Miz had him take his beatings.

Arsenalroy2k

04/26/2011, 16:54

michiganj24

04/26/2011, 17:46

Agree...From the intial draft I thought they were about equal but they lost more in the draft..

Due to the draft Future Endovers go to
A-Rye. Without the Mix he is dead
JTG still nothing for him to do
Trent and Curt.,....Wait they still have jobs

Alos saddened by Brodus wonder what will happen to him. I actually liked the lug but now he has no one to work for no ADR, No Miz and anyone else will be a major step down...Only thing that could save him is if he works for Cole
I'd say it's a foregone conclusion that either Barrett's going to drop that title to someone headed towards Raw, or Sheamus will drop the title at the PPV to someone staying on Raw.

Okay, so SD's main event scene can theoretically be comprised of Christian, Orton, Sheamus, Barrett, Kane and Undertaker, while the midcard will consist of Henry, DiBiase, Ziggler, Bryan, Sin Cara, Rhodes and the rest of The Corre.

While on Raw, they've got HHH, Cena, Miz, Punk, Del Rio, Big Show, Mysterio, Swagger, Morrison, R-Truth, Kofi, and McIntyre.

I dunno. I think Smackdown got their yearly hosing.

Not really Jerishow and Miz/Show teams were from different brands and were broken up when they lost
Unless they're getting rid of the Tag Titles, you can expect Kane to head to Raw during the supplemental draft today.

DroppinSuga

04/26/2011, 17:50

A-Rye won't be going anywhere. I'd be shocked if he get's his walking papers.

Fredwood

04/26/2011, 18:22

I'd say it's a foregone conclusion that either Barrett's going to drop that title to someone headed towards Raw, or Sheamus will drop the title at the PPV to someone staying on Raw.

Okay, so SD's main event scene can theoretically be comprised of Christian, Orton, Sheamus, Barrett, Kane and Undertaker, while the midcard will consist of Henry, DiBiase, Ziggler, Bryan, Sin Cara, Rhodes and the rest of The Corre.

While on Raw, they've got HHH, Cena, Miz, Punk, Del Rio, Big Show, Mysterio, Swagger, Morrison, R-Truth, Kofi, and McIntyre.

I dunno. I think Smackdown got their yearly hosing.

HHH and Taker aren't going to be around for a while, with Ziggler's new haircut he's going to be buried even further.

Honestly I think they're going to strap Henry shortly after ER because he's going to retire (most likely) later this year, it will be one of those "Thanks for everything title runs" its why they turned him heel so abruptly so once Christian wins Sunday they'll have a ready made feud, and then Orton can win from a heel and go into Summerslam as champion.

I would find a dumped lackey Tag team of Brodus Clay and Alex Riley amusing.

As to the titles, the IC, US and Tag Team titles mean like nothing to WWE, I don't think they'll be in a rush to fix it. I'm assuming there's going to be a Corre rematch where they'll win, and Wade is probably going to drop the belt to Kofi. Seeing as there's nothing been established storyline wise.

Arsenalroy2k

04/26/2011, 19:11

with Ziggler's new haircut he's going to be buried even further.

Haircut = buried?

Show your work, sir.

And they are *not* going to give Mark Henry a world title run. Regardless of how long he's been around, they aren't going to go that far to thank him for his services.

turdburglar47

04/26/2011, 20:01

Yeah, I'm torn about the Ziggler haircut. He looks like less of a joke, but he also looks a lot more generic and non-standoutable.

I say 'torn' like I"m invested at all in Dolph Ziggler, which I'm not.

Fredwood

04/26/2011, 22:55

Haircut = buried?

Show your work, sir.

And they are *not* going to give Mark Henry a world title run. Regardless of how long he's been around, they aren't going to go that far to thank him for his services.

He's generic and looks like a big Evan Bourne he didn't even get a ring entrance, if it wasn't for Vicki you probably wouldn't have known it was him in the ring until the announcers said something.

Also, I don't see why not, they finally gave Kane one as a thank you and he's about the same work rate as Henry, plus it's Smackdown its not like they take that belt too serious now anyway. I could see them doing it for like a few weeks to transition it to Orton without turning him or Christian.

Arsenalroy2k

04/26/2011, 23:59

He's generic and looks like a big Evan Bourne he didn't even get a ring entrance, if it wasn't for Vicki you probably wouldn't have known it was him in the ring until the announcers said something.

I recognized him. I did a double-take, but I still knew who it was. But I hear what you're saying, a haircut makes him look generic. But that's not the same as being buried or even being treated as a generic worker since he's still got Vickie.

Also, I don't see why not, they finally gave Kane one as a thank you and he's about the same work rate as Henry,

Apples and oranges. Kane's perfomance is lightyears ahead of Henry, in ring work *and* definitely on the mic. Plus, Kane's title win last year isn't exactly comparable. Despite the large gap in between world champion reigns (if we ignore his run as ECW champ), Kane's been treated as a main eventer far more often than Mark Henry. Kane's "Thank you" was overdue and earned. Mark's would just come from... pity.

If they want to thank him, I'm perfectly fine with that, I just don't see the thanks being a world title, transitional or otherwise.

MechaFan

04/27/2011, 04:12

I feel that first match and draft that resulted from that was entirely pointless. Why bother drafting John Cena to Smackdown in first place if they were anyway going to keep him in Raw by drafting him back.

What we now finaly know is that Awesome Kong will be called Kharma in WWE.

Fredwood

04/27/2011, 06:47

If they want to thank him, I'm perfectly fine with that, I just don't see the thanks being a world title, transitional or otherwise.

Khali was a champion

Arsenalroy2k

04/27/2011, 14:26

Khali was a champion

Yeah, but his reign didn't come as a reward for years of hard work, it was "big man dominates". Again, apples and oranges.

Fredwood

04/27/2011, 14:57

Yeah, but his reign didn't come as a reward for years of hard work, it was "big man dominates". Again, apples and oranges.

Old out of place cliches aside, Khali was brought up because they don't take that belt seriously. How could I be so stupid, Henry has never had the dominating big man persona placed on him once in his career, so I could see how I would be off base with that comparison.

Khali to me is a joke and I can't even watch him walk out to the ring without laughing at him and have never had interest in watching him in the ring, if they'll strap him they'll strap anyone even a guy who barely comes up to the second rope.

Arsenalroy2k

04/27/2011, 15:53

How could I be so stupid, Henry has never had the dominating big man persona placed on him once in his career, so I could see how I would be off base with that comparison.

Sarcasm aside, even when he had that persona on him, it never got him any world title runs before, so why now? Just because he may be on his way out? Come on. And that comparison doesn't really adhere to the main point. Being a dominating big man means you'll get a title run as a thank you for your years with the company? You're now arguing two different things.

Khali to me is a joke and I can't even watch him walk out to the ring without laughing at him and have never had interest in watching him in the ring, if they'll strap him they'll strap anyone even a guy who barely comes up to the second rope.

Giving Khali the title was a big mistake, but fortunately, they've never given him the title since. He's been restricted to the atypical "huge ladies man" gimmick for cheap pops and comedy segments along with being used for the promotion of international shows. To assume that because the company goofed and gave him the title, that *anyone* can get it just seems unrealistic to me. All his reign proves is that the occasional champ will be a dud. Something that's a given industry-wide.

And if they don't take the belt seriously, again... why only now would he get it? He's been with the company since 1996, why not give it to him earlier?

turdburglar47

04/29/2011, 21:41

Finally, Christian gets on the mic. And is all humble instead of being all fired up. I'll take what I can get.

Also, I'm really starting to dig Alberto Del Rio as a slick bad guy. He just looks like a comic book crimelord.

spike1138

04/30/2011, 02:10

Also, I'm really starting to dig Alberto Del Rio as a slick bad guy. He just looks like a comic book crimelord.

I have to admit that ADR is becoming my favorite heel. I love when Ricardo announces ADR's arrivals! Ricardo is just so greasy and creepy looking... :noid:

turdburglar47

04/30/2011, 04:00

Indeed. Ricardo is a smarmy Eddie Munster. And Del Rio has got the perfect cocky yet suave buttholishness to make it work.

MechaFan

04/30/2011, 05:03

I also like ADR becouse of how good wrestler he is.

Fredwood

04/30/2011, 05:07

Sarcasm aside, even when he had that persona on him, it never got him any world title runs before, so why now? Just because he may be on his way out? Come on. And that comparison doesn't really adhere to the main point. Being a dominating big man means you'll get a title run as a thank you for your years with the company? You're now arguing two different things.

And if they don't take the belt seriously, again... why only now would he get it? He's been with the company since 1996, why not give it to him earlier?

I'm not arguing two different things one would be the incentive to give him the belt the other would be the angle, where you get the exclusivity I'll never know.

First, they didn't have they didn't have the title in 1996 it was in WCW,when they brought it in he was on hiatus, and even if he wasn't wouldn't have been in the picture, they unified it in what 2002? But when they split them up again he was on the opposite show or in ECW, and until recently was on Raw, and now (at the time the post was made) they don't have any other options aside from giving it to someone who isn't ready yet without turning someone they shouldn't.

Conceivably they could do a run with Sheamus but the fact that they actually announced Mark Henry on TV and then turned him, and Sheamus was part of the Supplemental, and that Henry was on the second to last match and Sheamus wasn't on the last hour (don't know if he was on the show missed the first part) implies that they're pushing Henry now.

Arsenalroy2k

04/30/2011, 06:04

I'm not arguing two different things one would be the incentive to give him the belt the other would be the angle, where you get the exclusivity I'll never know.

Because you never said the other would be the angle. You speculated he'd get the title as a thank you, or because they'll give it to anyone. And technically, the "big man" aspect wasn't touched on until I brought it up, at which point you then started citing it as a potential rationale as why he might get the title. Which is fine, but Jeez...

First, they didn't have they didn't have the title in 1996 it was in WCW,

Now you're arguing semantics. So I'll rephrase to make it clearer: If they wanted to give him a *main* title (or at least a world title that means more than they regard the ECW title) why not give him a big run at the top earlier? It doesn't even have to be in '96 with the WWE title. Why not have him win it in 2006 when he actually had a PPV match for the World Heavyweight title?

However one wants to dress up the angle and how he could get the title, I just don't see why they'd pull the trigger on a world title run *now* just because he may or may not be on his way out, when they never did in his prime (and I'm being very generous with that phrasing).

Conceivably they could do a run with Sheamus but the fact that they actually announced Mark Henry on TV and then turned him, and Sheamus was part of the Supplemental,

I don't know if I'd used placement in the draft as a gauge of a push one way or another. Fact is, the Supplemental Draft as a concept would have to involve some upper-midcard names as part of it, otherwise it's just curtain jerkers from each brand and there'd be no point in paying any attention to it. So they save the moves of the likes of Sheamus, Kofi, Swagger and so forth for that rather than blowing the whole wad on TV.

and that Henry was on the second to last match and Sheamus wasn't on the last hour (don't know if he was on the show missed the first part) implies that they're pushing Henry now.

Well, look at the context between the two. Sheamus was on in the first hour, and beat down Kofi. In the second to last match (rightfully ignoring the the LayCool kerfuffle in between that and the last match), Mark didn't put Rey Mysterio down. Rey kept kicking out until Mark got DQ'd by Cody's interference. Then after Cody was done, Rey was then finally laid out by Mark.

I don't doubt they're trying to push Mark, I'm just not convinced they're going to push him all the way to the top.

Kevin187

05/02/2011, 04:04

Yay! Cena (yawwwwwwn) won the title! Yay!

:(

MechaFan

05/02/2011, 04:14

Oh great. They keep pleasing little kids by giving title to they hero. I would had loved seeing JoMo as WWE Champion just becouse he has never been one but it was something that I knew would not happen and most likely never will.

KO Bossy

05/02/2011, 04:36

Yay! Cena (yawwwwwwn) won the title! Yay!

:(

While this isn't pleasant news, its not surprising. They have to do something with Cena until Mania next year. So he'll have little feuds here and there with different people, and putting the title on him in that time isn't a big shock. Miz had a pretty good run (he won the belt in November, so 5 months roughly). Not bad for his first tenure as champion-a lot of guys they'll keep the belt on for a month or two and then just put it on someone else (Sheamus is a good example of this).

Meantime, wonder what they'll do with Cena...Jericho, Edge and Batista aren't around anymore, and those were 3 top contenders. Unless they aim to keep this feud going with Miz, but usually when a face beats a heel, that concludes the feud, especially since Cena and Miz has been going on for several months already. What do you guys think?

Kevin187

05/02/2011, 04:44

Rumor is Cena vs. Del RRRRRRio at SummerSlam for the title. I wonder what in the hell are they going to do with Miz now? And two faces being champs at the same time? Sheesh.

turdburglar47

05/02/2011, 05:11

Plus, they're doing the Rock's birthday party on Raw tomorrow. I'm sure he'll have something to say about Cena's win.

The BoyBlunder

05/02/2011, 05:25

Rock feuds with Cena for a while, with Rock shockingly winning the strap, who enjoys a short run as champion until he feuds with Undertaker, leading to Taker beating him at Wrestlemania, and then they both retire for good?

Probably not.

DroppinSuga

05/02/2011, 09:43

I just hope they let the Miz crap on Rock's parade tonight. Miz is great on the mic and letting him take his frustration out on the Rock would be entertaining.

The Darkstone

05/02/2011, 10:59

The key thing here is that Christian won the title.

Bubblehead

05/02/2011, 11:42

I knew John Morrison would NEVER win the title last nigh because 1.) R-Truth is his program for awhile 2.) He's in the doghouse over Melina, I mean, Ms. Future Endeavored and 3.) Cena is going to have a nice long reign up until WM with the Rock. Seriously. I honestly believe they'll keep the strap on him that long to make it a "Can the Rock end Cena's streak?"

Which is stupid. But what do I know. I'm not a booker.

Oh wait? Yes I am! *executes Spinnerooni!*

Thrumble Funk

05/02/2011, 12:22

Rumor is Cena vs. Del RRRRRRio at SummerSlam for the title. I wonder what in the hell are they going to do with Miz now? And two faces being champs at the same time? Sheesh.

Miz will stay relevant. Dude is solid on the mic, rapidly progressing in the ring, and has the PR appeal that WWE loves. He'll stick around.

MechaFan

05/02/2011, 12:48

I honestly believe they'll keep the strap on him that long to make it a "Can the Rock end Cena's streak?"

Which is stupid. But what do I know. I'm not a booker.

I hope they don't do that. Cena as champion for almost year would be painful. If they want The Rock vs John Cena in next WM to be from WWE championship it would be better to have him lose title in some stage and then regain it before WM.

Thrumble Funk

05/02/2011, 13:08

Ugh...the Cena re-draft made me swear at WWE (through my television).

DroppinSuga

05/02/2011, 13:11

Ugh...the Cena re-draft made me swear at WWE (through my television).

Me too. I thought Raw was finally going to be rid of him, but noooooo. And now my wife is all high and mighty because Cena won the belt last night. :tired:

JDub

05/02/2011, 13:19

I hope they don't do that. Cena as champion for almost year would be painful.

That would be the whole point. You let the Cena fans get what they want and piss off the Cena haters more then ever before with SuperCena for a whole year. Let the Cena hate build up till WM and watch the PPV buys go up.

DroppinSuga

05/02/2011, 13:20

That would be the whole point. You let the Cena fans get what they want and piss off the Cena haters more then ever before with SuperCena for a whole year. Let the Cena hate build up till WM and watch the PPV buys go up.

The Cena haters aren't stupid enough to think The Rock will beat Cena for the belt.

JDub

05/02/2011, 13:30

The Cena haters aren't stupid enough to think The Rock will beat Cena for the belt.

That doesn't make them want to see Rock fight Cena any less though. They know Rock will probably lose anyways 1 year before the fact. Doesn't mean that people aren't going to pay to see it. Why not build up the Cena hate and give them a even more reason to buy it and watch Rock beat up on Cena, regardless of who wins the match? That's what the fued is really all about, the old school (Rock/Cena haters/Attitude Era fans) vs the new school (Cena/Cena fans/ aka little kids). Why not build up the tension between the two and create a Triple H vs Cena at WM 22 moment?

DroppinSuga

05/02/2011, 13:33

Oh, I know what you're saying. I just don't think Cena NEEDS the belt to make that match epic. It makes more sense for the WWE to continue putting the belt on the younger stars and let Cena and The Rock feud with no title implications.

That's how I see it, but I'm a Miz mark. :p

Arsenalroy2k

05/02/2011, 13:55

I wouldn't worry too much about Cena's reign. He hasn't had a lengthy run of more than ninety days as champ for about five years. Odds are he'll be screwed out of that title before Summerslam ever hits.

turdburglar47

05/02/2011, 14:22

2.) He's in the doghouse over Melina, I mean, Ms. Future Endeavored

I'm not up on my behind-the-scenes malarkey. What happened here?

Bubblehead

05/02/2011, 14:28

I'm not up on my behind-the-scenes malarkey. What happened here?

Morrison got into hot water at Wrestlemania because, allegedly, Melina (and probably the rest of the women's stable) were pissed that Trish took a spot at Wrestlemania and not one of them. So, being that Melina is Morrison's girl, Morrison dissed Stratus at WM i.e. not shaking hands after their win, no high fives, he basically blew her off. Went out of his way to ignore Stratus.

Great for your girlfriend and her friends, bad for business. Morrison is in the doghouse (although how much really because he's still main eventing PPV's and on Raw getting the love- and to that I think that shows how shockingly low WWE has talent wise at the "top levels".

And the fact that....have you seen Melina lately? And we know the axe is coming for a lot of the wrestlers.......

Ms. Future Endeavored

JDub

05/02/2011, 15:28

Morrison got into hot water at Wrestlemania because, allegedly, Melina (and probably the rest of the women's stable) were pissed that Trish took a spot at Wrestlemania and not one of them. So, being that Melina is Morrison's girl, Morrison dissed Stratus at WM i.e. not shaking hands after their win, no high fives, he basically blew her off. Went out of his way to ignore Stratus.

Great for your girlfriend and her friends, bad for business. Morrison is in the doghouse (although how much really because he's still main eventing PPV's and on Raw getting the love- and to that I think that shows how shockingly low WWE has talent wise at the "top levels".

And the fact that....have you seen Melina lately? And we know the axe is coming for a lot of the wrestlers.......

Ms. Future Endeavored

You think they would have been more upset about someone like Snookie taking "their spot".

Unfortunately they haven't been using most of the Divas lately. If your not the champ you might as well not even exist. Then every few months or so they decide to push the next in line and ex-champ goes away. We have to watch crap like Eve Torres and the Bella Twins instead of Melina, Beth, and Maryse.

viciousbuddha

05/02/2011, 15:58

You think they would have been more upset about someone like Snookie taking "their spot".

Unfortunately they haven't been using most of the Divas lately. If your not the champ you might as well not even exist. Then every few months or so they decide to push the next in line and ex-champ goes away. We have to watch crap like Eve Torres and the Bella Twins instead of Melina, Beth, and Maryse.

well let's be honest, the divas are nowhere as great as they were just a few short years ago. at one point we had Stratus, Lita, Mickie James, Victoria and a handful of others that could actually work a match. (some of the best womens matches were the fueds with Stratus & James and Stratus & Victoria) Hopefully Awesome, er, Kharma will bring new life into this horrid division.

anyway, Cena will either lose the belt at the next ppv or at SS against Del Rio if they do indeed face off. Cena has held the belt 8 times now (one of which was a painful year long run) so I see him winning the title as something to basically do with him for the time being.

Christian however will hopefully get a good run as champ as he's long been a favorite of mine. I'm actually shocked he won seeing how McMahon tends to bury people who leave his company and then come back. Then again Christian was the ECW champ so I guess that was his punishment lol.

overall the WWE seems to be almost in a holding pattern as a ton of stars are either on the shelf or gone. Egde, Batista, Jericho, HBK - gone. Undertaker, Triple H - working light schedules. and now rumors of CM Punk leaving at the end of the year.

anyway I'm ranting, it happens :laugh:

Fredwood

05/02/2011, 16:34

Surprisingly good PPV, good opening match, figured Orton would win, but Punk should have mainly because he's lost 3 times now, plus there's been no payback for the whole reason the feud started in the first place.

Surprised that Mysterio beat Rhodes, figured they'd build up Cody a bit more, also I liked the Muta mist got a kick out of that.

Sheamus v Kofi had some good spots, but knew that either him or Barret was going to drop tonight.

I totally marked out for Christian, and it was great to see the crowd reaction during this match and Jesus did Brodus bleed, that looked bad had a huge puddle there.

Final Match was actually rather entertaining, I didn't get the typical Cena feel for the match, I did groan at the end when Matthews pointed out that he had superhuman strength. Saw the run-in coming but felt it was done well, wish R-Truth would get a new finisher.

I know ADR v Cena seems like the direction they're going for Summerslam, but with Punk teasing leaving, I think it might be him getting the push first, dunno. I hope they're able to keep both ADR and Punk happy. Its going to be pretty tough though with all their best heels on one brand, and all fighting one guy...

Arsenalroy2k

05/02/2011, 16:38

I'm actually shocked he won seeing how McMahon tends to bury people who leave his company and then come back.

People still believe that myth? Despite the fact it doesn't hold up under scrutiny given the events of last night or even Jeff Hardy's return and advancement to the main event?

DroppinSuga

05/02/2011, 16:38

If Punk is really leaving, he's gonna be jobbing until he leaves. There's no way they'll push him knowing he's leaving.

Arsenalroy2k

05/02/2011, 16:41

If Punk is really leaving, he's gonna be jobbing until he leaves. There's no way they'll push him knowing he's leaving.

Not necessarily. If he goes the Chris Jericho/Big Show route and just leaves the company to "recharge his batteries", he'll be fine.

KO Bossy

05/02/2011, 17:44

well let's be honest, the divas are nowhere as great as they were just a few short years ago. at one point we had Stratus, Lita, Mickie James, Victoria and a handful of others that could actually work a match. (some of the best womens matches were the fueds with Stratus & James and Stratus & Victoria) Hopefully Awesome, er, Kharma will bring new life into this horrid division.

You didn't mention what Lita vs Trish, which is what I consider to be one of the best feuds of all time in the women's division.

If they want to keep the Rock/Cena feud fresh for everyone...

In my mind, Cena keeps the title until Summerslam, where he faces Del Rio. During the main event, Rock's music hits, Cena turns around and, no one comes out. Del Rio rolls him up for the win while Cena's back is turned. Rock then comes out laughing, and then just stares Cena down. Meanwhile Cena is spewing threats and is livid. Next night on Raw, Cena comes to the ring and starts whining about how its not fair that Rock screwed him over, and that he should still be champion-you know, classic heel stuff. They have to build Cena as a heel because there's not a chance he's going into Mania as a face-Rock's hometown, Rock being loved by just about everyone, its not happening.

This helps to keep things fresh between them. It'd be smart for Rock to show up at the big PPVs throughout the year, since those are what will garner the most buys. So after Summerslam, Rock makes an appearance at Survivor Series, then at the Rumble (probably has a hand in getting Cena eliminated). By this point, Cena is about to kill somebody because he's tired of the Rock getting in his business, and he's always #####ing and being a tool. The point is to have the Rock get under Cena's skin Cena a few times, to kinda drive Cena up the wall. Then have Cena start this stuff. I think that'd probably work pretty well.

DroppinSuga

05/02/2011, 20:58

Mick Foley is saying on Twitter that he's backstage at Raw. If he is, which I really doubt, it would be a markout moment if he comes out for Rock's celebration.

Fredwood

05/02/2011, 23:37

Mick Foley is saying on Twitter that he's backstage at Raw. If he is, which I really doubt, it would be a markout moment if he comes out for Rock's celebration.

I heard TNA gave him the OK to go but WWE said no to appearing, I'm sure they let him in the building though, he is Mick after all.

DroppinSuga

05/03/2011, 22:21

Wow... Really WWE... :tired:
Randy Orton defeats Christian for the Heavyweight Championship on Smackdown

KO Bossy

05/03/2011, 23:15

Wow... Really WWE... :tired:
Randy Orton defeats Christian for the Heavyweight Championship on Smackdown

Ok, Vince apparently really does have a thing against Christian if this is the case...

viciousbuddha

05/03/2011, 23:32

People still believe that myth? Despite the fact it doesn't hold up under scrutiny given the events of last night or even Jeff Hardy's return and advancement to the main event?

uh yeah it's obvious that vince doesn't hold grudges lol (check spoilers)
this basically makes me once more angry at the stupidness of WWE. Oh well you'd think I'd be used to it.

As far as Hardy went, his push was based soley on the fact that he sold a ton o' merchandise and the fans loved his no talent self. sure enough he imploded as usual and then he went back to TNA...were he imploded again.

to echo something Ko Bossy brought up, in my view the Stratus vs Lita fued was one of if not the best fueds (male or otherwise) ever in WWE. Also it was the last time a Divas title match main evented A Raw I belive.

Arsenalroy2k

05/03/2011, 23:53

uh yeah it's obvious that vince doesn't hold grudges lol (check spoilers)

Yeah, I've seen the spoilers, but if there was really a legit grudge, he wouldn't have been given the title to begin with. Once you're in, you're in.

Plus, you guys make it sound like there's not going to be a rematch at the PPV. Come on now...

Bubblehead

05/04/2011, 00:13

You've got to be kidding me??!?!?!?!?!!??!!?!?!?!?!?

Stupid. Just unbelievably stupid.
:angry::angry::angry:

Arsenalroy2k

05/04/2011, 00:58

turdburglar47

05/04/2011, 05:08

Can anyone tell me what happened after Vince came out on Raw last night? My TiVo cut off.

MechaFan

05/04/2011, 06:14

So Kharma made her first appearence in Raw by crushing Maryse and scaring Kelly Kelly. Seem that she really hates blondes. We that have watched TNA know her better as Awesome Kong.

michiganj24

05/04/2011, 07:36

Not necessarily... Edge retiring screwed up things by accelerating the draft.
Christian was needed as the transitional champ and so this was Vince saying here is a bone more to Edge than to you n go lay down for me

Hey but at least his title reign lasted longer than Dolph Ziggler's
Yeah, I've seen the spoilers, but if there was really a legit grudge, he wouldn't have been given the title to begin with. Once you're in, you're in.

Plus, you guys make it sound like there's not going to be a rematch at the PPV. Come on now...

michiganj24

05/04/2011, 07:37

He made a little speech and then they showed a Rock Tribute video end of show. No swerve.
Can anyone tell me what happened after Vince came out on Raw last night? My TiVo cut off.

Dr. Morbius

05/04/2011, 08:34

The Warrior will come running in at Summerslam 2011 beating everyone up screaming "HO-KOOOOGAN!!!!!" :P

Fredwood

05/04/2011, 09:25

The Warrior will come running in at Summerslam 2011 beating everyone up screaming "HO-KOOOOGAN!!!!!" :P

I have to admit, I'd still mark out for Ultimate Warrior. Part of the reason that even though I hate Cena I can tolerate him.

See what you made me do.

viciousbuddha

05/04/2011, 12:21

It's unfortunate and disappointing, but not stupid. As much as a fraction of online forum posters might dislike Randy, putting the title on him isn't totally nonsensical. He's crazy over right now, and according to the report, this change didn't really affect that.

It's a shame Christian's first reign as a world champion lasted less than a week, but it's not like they just hotshotted the title to someone like Tyler Reks or such. And this certainly doesn't validate an already weak conspiracy theory.

*LATE NIGHT EDIT* This situation prompted me to re-watch Young Randall's first world title win at Summerslam '04. And of course watching that immediately brought to mind how HHH just snatched that #### right back from him a month later. I then looked up all the outrage that resulted from that. Oh, how the more things change, the more they stay the same.

I dunno I think the point is why even give him the title at all? he's way over without it and Christian deserves a decent run. even Rey Misterio got a decent 3 month pity run after Guerrero died.

Also after Orton won the world title people hated his character as they turned him to fast. I saw him at a live event during that period and people cheered more for the heel Triple H champ than him.

I have no doubts that Christian will get a rematch, but using Orton as an example, it took 3 years for him to regain another major title. Misterio also had to wait for 3 years to get another (brief) run with the belt. I just wish Vince would give some fresher faces to keep the top titles. I would have been fine with Ziggler or Christian holding down the World Title and Miz still holding the WWE Title.

DroppinSuga

05/04/2011, 12:24

It's been stated that giving Orton the belt may very well have been done because Randy was upset about being moved to Smackdown.

Bubblehead

05/04/2011, 13:16

YOu know I could see this scenario:

Christian battling Orton. He hits the Unprettier. Orton is out. He looks up to the ramp as Mr. McMahon's music hits.

McMahon comes out, Christian looking on. McMahon sticks out his thumb sidewise, then turns it down.

Christian can't believe it. Randy gets up, RKO's Christian. And there ya go.

At least that would've had more drama and a WTF moment.

DroppinSuga

05/04/2011, 13:17

It's being said that the match was phenomenal though. I'll probably watch SD this week just to see how it goes.

MechaFan

05/04/2011, 13:44

Christian vs Orton match might be good as long as they don't have super-Orton ending for it with RKO from no were.

DroppinSuga

05/04/2011, 13:47

Christian vs Orton match might be good as long as they don't have super-Orton ending for it with RKO from no were.

I have a feeling that's how it will end. I'm surprised someone who was there hasn't stated exactly how the match ended. I'm actually gonna go look for that now.

Thrumble Funk

05/04/2011, 13:48

Arsenalroy2k

05/04/2011, 16:07

You know, I was wondering if Orton was going to turn back heel once he headed to Smackdown... but upon further reflection: Losing the title in under a week is awfully good motive to snap, turn on the fans or even throw a tantrum.

Fredwood

05/04/2011, 16:19

They took all momentum out of him, its going to be hard to buy a heel turn after less than a week as champion, especially seeing as how many people wanted him to get it. Plus 2 one man face shows is going to be rather difficult to sit through.

Arsenalroy2k

05/04/2011, 16:44

its going to be hard to buy a heel turn after less than a week as champion, especially seeing as how many people wanted him to get it.

Not necessarily. Greed and resentment aren't exactly implausible concepts for people to grasp. He'd been clawing his way up the ladder (both literally and figuratively) and when he finally made it, in comes golden boy Randy Orton and just snatches his hard earned title out from under him, and only because the audience liked him more. So he waits for the rematch (likely at the PPV) and then cheats, regains the title and at the following Smackdown, he insults the fickle fair-weather fans who don't respect true talent, just a sob story or whatever.

Plus 2 one man face shows is going to be rather difficult to sit through.

Well, they're not one man face shows. There's plenty of other faces around... they're just not in the main event scene (or they're away on vacation or just holding the tag titles).

But what I don't see is Vince getting involved. If he's going to return to being on camera regularly, it'll only be to feud with someone already established and higher profile, like Cena, Orton & such.

Fredwood

05/04/2011, 18:50

Not necessarily. Greed and resentment aren't exactly implausible concepts for people to grasp. He'd been clawing his way up the ladder (both literally and figuratively) and when he finally made it, in comes golden boy Randy Orton and just snatches his hard earned title out from under him, and only because the audience liked him more. So he waits for the rematch (likely at the PPV) and then cheats, regains the title and at the following Smackdown, he insults the fickle fair-weather fans who don't respect true talent, just a sob story or whatever.

Well, they're not one man face shows. There's plenty of other faces around... they're just not in the main event scene (or they're away on vacation or just holding the tag titles).

But what I don't see is Vince getting involved. If he's going to return to being on camera regularly, it'll only be to feud with someone already established and higher profile, like Cena, Orton & such.

Either way he needs the strap to legitimize it, I don't see them putting it back on him so quick. I knew it was going to be a short reign but less than a week is frankly a bit insulting, plus people have had a hard time booing Christian in the past as a heel.

I don't see Taker (who is supposed to be going to Raw) or HHH getting another championship run, and I've never liked Kane as a face (like him too much as a heel). Jericho is iffy, he could come back as a face, but knowing that he's got control over what he does and how much he likes being a heel, I wouldn't be surprised if he comes back heel. The fact that they have no one else is the problem, so now you're looking at any program on both shows involving the same person, and conceivably both are going to be holding the titles going into WM as I don't see them giving the belt to anyone on Smackdown, and year long title reigns aren't that much fun anymore.

Not Sure where the Vince thing came from, but he started appearing regularly because of a shortage of heels, there's not that problem now, and I don't see him working too well as a face.

Also, I was a bit disappointed in the fact that they teased a ADR/Mysterio feud, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't we just get that? I have a feeling that Sheamus is going to get the push against Orton, while it has been a bit, but that program has been done recently, I'm just not excited over whats to come.

Arsenalroy2k

05/04/2011, 19:44

Either way he needs the strap to legitimize it,

Really? The strap you said not too long ago that they'd give to anyone? He needs that to cement his spot? ;)

I don't see Taker (who is supposed to be going to Raw) or HHH getting another championship run, and I've never liked Kane as a face (like him too much as a heel).

First, how we feel about them is irrelevant. Fact is, when they come back, they are virtual locks to at the very least serve as contenders to the title.

The fact that they have no one else is the problem

It's a problem, but not an immediate one. Say at Over The Limit they were to go with Christian vs. Orton and Cena vs. Miz. Somehow, Christian and Miz regain their titles. Cena and Orton then get rematches at MitB. The can skate for two months while it's decided who'll get a PPV shot next; be it any other former champs or elevate someone new.

year long title reigns aren't that much fun anymore.

Depends on the guy really. But year-long runs are an impossibility at this point. So...

Not Sure where the Vince thing came from

It was a point regarding a comment made by another poster in this thread.

Also, I was a bit disappointed in the fact that they teased a ADR/Mysterio feud, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't we just get that?

Yeah, we did just get that. I'm trying to remember though if we ever got a PPV singles match between the two. I know they had a fatal four-way at TLC and captained teams at Survivor Series, but most of their one on one matches were on TV, IIRC.

Anyways, the whole point about Christian may be moot anyways since now I'm reading that he may have dropped the strap because he might have re-injured his pec and might need time off again. Which if that's true, then man... he really is taking Edge's spot.

DroppinSuga

05/04/2011, 19:53

This was reported today also:

Additionally, we were told that Christian's title win at Extreme Rules was done not so much as a "well deserved win for Christian," but much more so that a big moment could be made for Edge at the PPV. "Vince [McMahon] could smell, touch and taste a moment between Edge and Christian celebrating on PPV, and that's the major reason why Christian was awarded the title."

JDKenada

05/04/2011, 21:46

*LATE NIGHT EDIT* This situation prompted me to re-watch Young Randall's first world title win at Summerslam '04. And of course watching that immediately brought to mind how HHH just snatched that #### right back from him a month later. I then looked up all the outrage that resulted from that. Oh, how the more things change, the more they stay the same.
I was there live when that happened and folks were more stunned than anything (at least in our area). I think more people were ticked they turned him face the next night.

Also after Orton won the world title people hated his character as they turned him to fast. I saw him at a live event during that period and people cheered more for the heel Triple H champ than him.

See? Lol. To this day most folks (including myself) figure he was given the strap just to remove Brock from the books as the youngest ever champ.

Anyways, the whole point about Christian may be moot anyways since now I'm reading that he may have dropped the strap because he might have re-injured his pec and might need time off again. Which if that's true, then man... he really is taking Edge's spot.

God damn, I hope so. It's a much better explanation than Vince McMahon basically saying to the internet fanbase "Grab the pillow, because I'm coming in dry."

Fredwood

05/04/2011, 21:56

Really? The strap you said not too long ago that they'd give to anyone? He needs that to cement his spot? ;)
.

That's why he needs it. If they won't give him a belt that they don't care about then its a bad sign. Hopefully it is the injury thing (as bad as that would be).

KO Bossy

05/04/2011, 22:38

I was there live when that happened and folks were more stunned than anything (at least in our area). I think more people were ticked they turned him face the next night.

Was that the one held in Toronto? My friend was there as well, he said that the crowd was extremely bored and was doing the wave at one point, and during the Undertaker vs JBL match, a fan ran on top of JBL's limo, which got the loudest reaction of the night.

Arsenalroy2k

05/04/2011, 23:25

It's a much better explanation than Vince McMahon basically saying to the internet fanbase "Grab the pillow, because I'm coming in dry."

While the reports of the injury are still unconfirmed, seeing that comment brought something to mind from a comment made on a different forum:

Does seem odd but unlike some, I don't go for knee-jerk responses but wait for things to develop more.

Does it suck it's so soon? Yeah, it does. But again, if Edge hadn't retired, he would never gotten it at all. And, like it or not, folks, wrestling promoters don't listen to the guys online, they listen to the folks in the audience, the ones who PAY to see the shows and they respond a bit more to Orton.

But seriously, the reaction among the IWC is amazing to me. All these "I'm done with WWE" forever, as if this is the first time in the history of wrestling someone has gotten the shaft from management. And everyone suddenly assuming Christian is going to the mid-card and no rematches or anything. The IWC is always going "we should be heard by WWE" but then go for the most knee-jerk responses, giving no faith in any angle or development as soon as it's announced. No wonder Vince thinks we're a joke.

And I'd point out what webmaster turned writer James Guttman wrote in one of his books: In 2005, he was convinced he had wrestling completely figured out and if WWE did all his ideas, they'd be rolling in the money. But after a few years of a radio show, he realized that almost everything fans "Know" about wrestling is completely wrong and booking is NOWHERE as easy as online guys think it is. After all, one of my favorite examples of how online worship of a guy doesn't translate is how fans spent years saying RVD should be the top guy in WWE and it took four weeks for him to blow his reign as champion.

Just a bit of perspective is all.

Dr. Morbius

05/05/2011, 05:42

I have to admit, I'd still mark out for Ultimate Warrior. Part of the reason that even though I hate Cena I can tolerate him.

See what you made me do.

Hehe...yes! Very cool :cool:
But you need to spell it the way he says it: "HOKOOOOGAAAN!!!" :p

JDKenada

05/05/2011, 07:02

While the reports of the injury are still unconfirmed, seeing that comment brought something to mind from a comment made on a different forum:

Oh, I'm by no means saying the internet is right. Let's face it, 90% of us would run a company into the ground with our booking. Having said that, they could've easily given the belt to Orton in June or July. Look at when Christian was ECW champion. He made everyone he fought look good and credible. So why not keep the belt on him for a bit and have a young heel (Cody?) get a crack at him to elevate said heel? That was just what I was hoping for anyway.

Then again, this could lead to the heel turn that had been rumoured as well prior to Edge retiring. You're right time will tell, I'm just sharing what I would have liked to see.

viciousbuddha

05/06/2011, 00:39

at least we can all agree that the 'E' is still a better booked show than TNAwful. :laugh:

some quick random thoughts -

I hope they don't bury daniels now that he's on smackdown. I've been a mark for him since his RoH days and I'd love to see him at least be a contender to the IC Title.

speaking of the IC title, I'd love to see Cody Rhodes have a run with it. Barrett does nothing for me really.

I miss the days of real tag teams. this is one of the main reasons I buy so many dvds from the indy scene (RoH, PWG, etc.)

glad they're booking Kharma as a monster diva. hopefully she'll win the title and hold it for a nice long while. even toss in a fued with Gail Kim and presto! two divas who can actually put on a great match. Or even Beth Phoenix come to think of it.

I can see a Sheamus or Triple H vs Orton fued in the near future. I still kinda wish that Big Show would have had another run with the title. But they've tossed him into tag team hell.

Ugh I hate the direction poor CM Punk is being pushed in. three straight losses to Orton then he gets mauled by the Batista look alike dude in Nexus. IMO, he's still one of the best talkers and workers in the 'E' right now.

Arsenalroy2k

05/06/2011, 01:17

at least we can all agree that the 'E' is still a better booked show than TNAwful. :laugh:

Well, yes. Though while the WWE needs competition in order to drive them forward and light a fire under them to do better, what motivation do they have when the best Dixie can come up with is a name change and Chyna?

zyxba

05/06/2011, 03:13

MechaFan

05/06/2011, 04:37

glad they're booking Kharma as a monster diva. hopefully she'll win the title and hold it for a nice long while. even toss in a fued with Gail Kim and presto! two divas who can actually put on a great match. Or even Beth Phoenix come to think of it.

As fan of Gail Kim since I saw her in TNA I would love to see her get push and even feaud with Kharma (Awesome Kong) as she did back then in TNA they won't make it happen. WWE has never cared enough from women's wrestling to give spotlight to actually good one. To them women's wrestlers are just eye candy. This is why I prefer watching japanese women's wrestling over any american women's wrestling.

JDKenada

05/06/2011, 16:38

As fan of Gail Kim since I saw her in TNA I would love to see her get push and even feaud with Kharma (Awesome Kong) as she did back then in TNA they won't make it happen. WWE has never cared enough from women's wrestling to give spotlight to actually good one. To them women's wrestlers are just eye candy. This is why I prefer watching japanese women's wrestling over any american women's wrestling.

I honestly didn't think much of her until two things happened. The first was meeting her. She's far more attractive in person, and is incredibly friendly. The second was, as you suggested, her run in TNA. Honestly, even the occasions where WWE does something with her, she seems out of place...though I blame a good chunk of that on the people she's in the ring with and just no rhythm between the two sides. I'd love to see a division built around Kharma, Gail, Beth, Natalya and even Layla. She's come a long way from being Noble's candy.

Fredwood

05/06/2011, 22:08

So pissed right now, I knew he was losing, but it wasn't particularly a good match 2 commercial breaks really take you out of viewing. Plus if they said Cinderella story one more time I was going to scream, wasn't even done in an interesting way lost via Super RKO which we've seen like 12 times over the last 2 months. They had a match on Raw were they kicked out of finishes and you knew how that was going to end and it was still a good match (at least he didn't hit the killswitch). Very displeased right now, they got #### stirred up and some attention on Smackdown so I guess that's something, but I doubt they're going to give Christian that break again. I kind of wonder why bother giving him the title at all? Its more compelling if Christian is chasing the title never having won it, now it will just seem sad.

Basically they said, he can't do #### without Edge (Cole went as far as saying it, even though all Edge did was honk a horn like somehow thats a huge turning point), and that he's a joke of a champion, sure maybe not Kane level joke losing the next night, but still a joke. I'm very near the point where I get so often and I stop watching for a while. I have no desire to see Orton's 8th title reign and Cena's 10th.

Arsenalroy2k

05/06/2011, 23:06

I kind of wonder why bother giving him the title at all?

From the Twitter of Chris Jericho (Christian's friend):
Hey everyone #####ing about @Christian4Peeps losing the title, have u ever thought that maybe it's just the beginning of a bigger storyline?

JDKenada

05/06/2011, 23:25

Fredwood

05/07/2011, 05:19

From the Twitter of Chris Jericho (Christian's friend):

Yes I have thought about that (and hope it is the case as it is the only thing that can somewhat mildly redeem this), it still doesn't make the way they did it any better. I would have been completely fine with the loss (even 5 days after winning) if he lost in an interesting way or the match was an instant classic. It wasn't, it was a clean finish and your run of the mill Smackdown main event, to me the match wasn't that interesting outside of the Title change. He lost clean in a vanilla match less than a week after winning it. Even if they turn him heel, they're going to set it up that the only way he can win is with help.

I'll use Jericho as an example to prove my point about this. Jericho beat HHH for the championship in 2001 during a Raw, place erupted, I was cheering, it was a great moment, then they reversed the decision because it was a "fast count" and put it back on HHH. Needless to say I was pissed, but it was great booking because it put heat on HHH, and it still had Jericho coming out looking golden. I know its not the exact situation, but its similar enough to warrant comparison. I don't feel straight up outrage over this, I feel more of a let down "pissed off". I don't know if you want your fans to be depressed by your program even if its building to something else.

On top of that I don't trust WWE Booking (or more specifically Vince), they don't have a good track record lately of handling a story well.

DroppinSuga

05/09/2011, 12:01

John Morrison is having neck surgery. :(

Arsenalroy2k

05/09/2011, 19:42

John Morrison is having neck surgery. :(

And I'm hearing it was minor neck surgery (a huge contradiction in terms) and he should be out for 4-6 weeks.

Bubblehead

05/09/2011, 20:52

And I'm hearing it was minor neck surgery (a huge contradiction in terms) and he should be out for 4-6 weeks.

That's about as good as it gets, surgery-wise. Here's hoping to a full and speedy recovery.

Poor R-Truth. He can't even destroy him on Raw tonight to put him over as a heel.

JDKenada

05/09/2011, 21:11

Poor R-Truth. He can't even destroy him on Raw tonight to put him over as a heel.

Which is probably why they did that very thing last week.

DroppinSuga

05/09/2011, 22:02

Zack Ryder is getting closer and closer to actually wrestling on Raw. He definitely got some good fist pumping in tonight.

viciousbuddha

05/09/2011, 23:22

I honestly didn't think much of her until two things happened. The first was meeting her. She's far more attractive in person, and is incredibly friendly. The second was, as you suggested, her run in TNA. Honestly, even the occasions where WWE does something with her, she seems out of place...though I blame a good chunk of that on the people she's in the ring with and just no rhythm between the two sides. I'd love to see a division built around Kharma, Gail, Beth, Natalya and even Layla. She's come a long way from being Noble's candy.

that would actually rock. isn't TNAwfuls higgest rated segments still with their knockouts?

funny you mention Layla coming so far since her thing with Noble. I still remember a young Trish Stratus showing up to manage Albert & Test (showing my age here) and thinking, man she's awful in the ring. Who knew that in a few years she (and Lita to a degree) would set the bar for womens wrestling in the WWE. :laugh:

viciousbuddha

05/09/2011, 23:26

So sure enough, the end of SmackDown suggests something is in the works. As I said before, my beef isn't with Christian losing the belt...it's that he lost it so fast. I don't like short title reigns to begin with, but less than a week is frustrating regardless of whether it's Christian, Sheamus, or the Great Khali.

yeah short title reigns are always kinda ridiculous. I remember that span of two months or whatever when The Rock & Mankind traded the belt back and forth to each other several times in the 'tude era.

but then again it's nothing new, you can go back all the way to guys like Ivan Koloff (a super nice guy BTW) and even Sting to see short title runs.

if maybe they have let christian hold the belt at lest until the next ppv and then have had orton win it, I could have actually lived with that. but I dunno, just losing it so fast makes him look like a total fluke champ.

and I'll say it again....just once, I'd love to see someone win a money in the bank match and NOT win the title lol. come on WWE shock us!

Arsenalroy2k

05/10/2011, 00:53

and I'll say it again....just once, I'd love to see someone win a money in the bank match and NOT win the title lol. come on WWE shock us!

See, it's inevitable that someone will cash it in and lose that match, but that's why it's going to be totally heartbreaking when it finally happens. Because if you guys hated seeing the title yanked away from Christian, it'll be a million times worse for the poor SOB that becomes the first Mr. Money In The Bank to lose that shot. Because at least Christian held the title and can go the rest of his life saying he's a former world champion. Far less embarrassing than being the poor fool that goes through that grueling match, gets right on the cusp of breaking through to the main event... and then gets beat by somebody who likely already had a rough match that night.

That is not something I want to see happen to an up and comer.

Grinner

05/10/2011, 00:58

That is not something I want to see happen to an up and comer.

So you have an established person do it.

Arsenalroy2k

05/10/2011, 01:03

So you have an established person do it.

Depending on the person, that's not much better.

Only way I can see a Money in the Bank winner losing and not coming out looking like an unmitigated failure is if a face announces when he's going to cash in. Then it's just treated like a normal match and "you win some, you lose some".

MechaFan

05/10/2011, 04:14

if maybe they have let christian hold the belt at lest until the next ppv and then have had orton win it, I could have actually lived with that. but I dunno, just losing it so fast makes him look like a total fluke champ.

That would had been so much better.

Fredwood

05/23/2011, 08:01

viciousbuddha

05/23/2011, 17:25

Didn't feel like making a new thread because I don't think it will get much attention, But Ring of Honor was bought by Sinclair TV Group, and it looks like they'll get some TV (plans for a weekly Saturday show), which is great. The bad news, for me at least, is that Sinclair has stations all around the midwest, EXCEPT Indiana. Anyway hopefully this is the push they need to get some exposure (fingers crossed) and to challenge Impact and maybe one day WWE.

I saw this a few days ago and was jazzed!! more so that I'll be able to see it in Oklahoma lol. it'll take time for them to build a name for themselves to the casual wrestling fans but I think they're gonna give TNAwful a run for it's money within a few months of their TV start.

JDKenada

05/24/2011, 13:50

For the first Money In The Bank loser, you could easily have it work in their favour. Have someone who's never had a world title shot before wrestle to get into the match, and win. They can come out the next night and cut a promo saying they've been held back and overlooked but now no one can overlook them because they've got their title shot and they did it without politics. They earned it. Instead of the post-match quick win, have them do the "honorable" thing and declare they're facing the champion at the next PPV. If it's on RAW, assume we're talking Cena. Have this person take Cena to the absolute limit in the match, with plenty of near falls. Really make them hold their own. Instead of Super Cena, however, you have an exhausted Cena barely reverse an irish whip late in the match and hit a drop toe hold into the STF. The person could fight it and fight it and then just pass out a la Austin at WM 13. The next night on RAW could have Cena praise the person, only to have heel "X" come out and interrupt and declare they now want their shot. Have the anonymous GM interrupt and agree with both the heel, and Cena. So, they'll have a number one contender's match between the heel and the MitB star, with the winner to face Cena. The star wins again, and this time challenges Cena to a 2/3 falls match or something to that affect and could actually win.

You can't tell me that wouldn't "make" a star out of the first person who failed to cash in.

Fredwood

05/24/2011, 19:21

JDKenada

05/24/2011, 23:03

Problem is Vince books and Vince is old and is afraid to take chances anymore.

It can't fall just on Vince, though. Whatever process is involved from start to what we see on RAW is lazy, and as you pointed out afraid to take a risk. I give them credit for how they built up The Miz so well...unfortunately over the span of 24 hours they crapped all over his momentum.

Also, I'm sad face panda: Kharma/Kong is apparently on the shel for the rest of the year. Still don't know how the hell that explains what we saw last night.

michiganj24

06/22/2011, 00:42

The one big diff is that the new guy will likely have more chances to win Christian there is a good chance knowing how Vince feels about him and his age this was his one and only hurrah

The way I would think it could be done is have them cash in a lose. And they cant believe it. The Champ then helps him up and shakes his hand but he is catatonic. Then have people who have won it make fun of him (would have been great if Edge was still here) So make it Jack Swagger or Punk
Then he goes pyscho and atttacks and says he will show them I dont need a case.
Next PPV he kicks the crap out of whoever it was putting a serious beat down on them and just moves up the rank till the champ says I want to face you and they wrestle at the PPV and he wins cleanly
See, it's inevitable that someone will cash it in and lose that match, but that's why it's going to be totally heartbreaking when it finally happens. Because if you guys hated seeing the title yanked away from Christian, it'll be a million times worse for the poor SOB that becomes the first Mr. Money In The Bank to lose that shot. Because at least Christian held the title and can go the rest of his life saying he's a former world champion. Far less embarrassing than being the poor fool that goes through that grueling match, gets right on the cusp of breaking through to the main event... and then gets beat by somebody who likely already had a rough match that night.

That is not something I want to see happen to an up and comer.

The BoyBlunder

06/22/2011, 01:39

Or an ####### heel wins MitB. Say, CM Punk.

An up-and-comer has a title shot, and has a good match against the champ, and wins it. Make sure the match is long enough that the crowd doesn't assume MitB is going to come into play. Newcomer wins, and starts to celebrate when Punk's music hits. Punk cashes the case, and rather a squash match, the new champ proceeds to dig deep, fight hard, and after a decent amount of time, win with a roll-up.

Some heels would be able to use the heat that the defeat would bring to their advantage. As long as the two matches were good, the champ would be way over, and Punk would be able to draw heat with his boasting.

MechaFan

06/22/2011, 07:11

Only thing is that CM Punk is leaving after his match with Cena. His contract is coming to end.

michiganj24

06/22/2011, 08:33

I will belive it when I see it...I think he takes a few months off (which was one thing he wanted) and will come back
He is not going to TNA
He is not going into MMA
He is not up for a movie career
So what other options...go to Japan?? or the Indy circuit...dont think so.
He wants time off (and if they thought he was fully gone and had no chance of reeling him in they would not give him clean wins over Cena, Rey and ABR in 3 consecutive weeks
Only thing is that CM Punk is leaving after his match with Cena. His contract is coming to end.

Arsenalroy2k

06/22/2011, 14:02

Only thing is that CM Punk is leaving after his match with Cena. His contract is coming to end.

I think TBB was just using Punk as a example of a heel.

But given the situation, I think whomever wins the Punk/Cena match, that Raw briefcase will be cashed in successfully. So it's the Smackdown one I'd worry about.

JDKenada

06/22/2011, 18:19

I think TBB was just using Punk as a example of a heel.

But given the situation, I think whomever wins the Punk/Cena match, that Raw briefcase will be cashed in successfully. So it's the Smackdown one I'd worry about.

Am I the only one that thinks Cody Rhodes is actually "ready?"

DroppinSuga

06/22/2011, 18:26

DroppinSuga

06/22/2011, 18:27

Am I the only one that thinks Cody Rhodes is actually "ready?"

I'm in the same boat, actually. I like how they're using him right now to get DiBiase some more air time. I'm probably the only person in the world who likes Dibiase, but oh well. I was just watching the newish DX "Last Stand" on DVD and Rhodes/DiBiase had a heck of a match with HHH and HBK. They could always use Rhodes/DiBiase to try to legitimize the tag team division again.

Arsenalroy2k

06/22/2011, 18:39

Am I the only one that thinks Cody Rhodes is actually "ready?"

I think he's going to have to make it past Wade Barrett, Sheamus and Kane first.

Either way, the biggest loser in all this will be Christian. If he gets another rematch against Randy and (finally) wins, Smackdown's MitB winner cashes in on him and he beats his own record for shortest reign. If Christian doesn't get a rematch, and instead goes into the MitB match and wins it, he'll try and cash in on Randy... and then be the first guy to lose the cash-in match. He is SO boned.

JDKenada

06/22/2011, 18:39

I'm in the same boat, actually. I like how they're using him right now to get DiBiase some more air time. I'm probably the only person in the world who likes Dibiase, but oh well. I was just watching the newish DX "Last Stand" on DVD and Rhodes/DiBiase had a heck of a match with HHH and HBK. They could always use Rhodes/DiBiase to try to legitimize the tag team division again.

I like Dibiase, they just blew it with him. They could have turned him face the night he fought Orton and looked like he was ready to explode on him (red face and all) and the crowd was eating it up. But they didn't, and then buried him instead.

As much as I like the duo, they had their time as a tag team and quite frankly I've given up on legitimizing the tag division. WWE haven't given a rat's ### about it for over a decade. It's simply "let's put two singles wrestlers together who arent' doing anything. If they're big stars, we'll put the belts on them."

Komixfrk75

06/23/2011, 23:13

They really need to push Daniel Bryan to the top....Glad there finally giving Evan Bourne a chance even though it's only cause of the MITB

KO Bossy

06/24/2011, 01:00

They really need to push Daniel Bryan to the top....Glad there finally giving Evan Bourne a chance even though it's only cause of the MITB

That was something else that pissed me off Monday Night. The whole voting thing is a crock-they already make the matches ahead of time, the votes are just there to make it seem like the people have a choice. When it came time for Evan Bourne's match, 3 choices-Jack Swagger, Batista Jr. (Mason Ryan) or Sin Cara. Now its obvious that from a wrestling styles standpoint, Sin Cara is the closest to Bourne and those two would have had a terrific match, with lots of high flying, acrobatic moves, etc. So what does WWE do? Why the exact opposite of the smartest thing to do! They book him against Batista Jr., and Bourne gets squashed (he couldn't even wrap his arms around Batista Jr. because the guy is so wide). Instead of giving the viewers a quality match, they give them crap, which is especially confusing because of the highlight video they had building up Bourne before his match. Way to live up to the hype...

Also, I watched Impact tonight. It was pretty bad, but with 2 bright spot (and one is a very exciting, and promising bright spot). The women's matches were horrific, Sting and Abyss in the main event was pretty bogus, Sting's new gimmick of smearing red paint on people's faces is dumb, Steiner possibly joining Immortal is pointless...what was terrific, though were two things:a) the new X-Division wrestlers debuting, with Zema Ion winning after a 450 splash (looked great) and b)Christopher Daniels vs AJ Styles at Destination X, with the very distinct possibility that Samoa Joe will be involved as well. Daniels vs Styles vs Joe at Unbreakable in 2005 was TNA's only 5 star match (according to Wrestling critic Dave Meltzer of the Pro Wrestling Observer) and its probably the best match I've ever seen. The moves and acrobatics were sensational, and the story telling was excellent. Now these guys are a bit older today, but they're still the best wrestlers in the company by far. Another match with the three of them is an exciting prospect, and I can guarantee right now would most likely be match of the night.

spike1138

06/27/2011, 23:34

Just watched RAW.

Damn! I was really hoping to see DDP hit Drew McIntyre with a Diamond Cutter.

Was CM Punk's speech at the end of the show a shoot?

michiganj24

06/27/2011, 23:42

Nah has to be a work...if it wasnt they would have cut him off a long time ago. Even the suspension fits in
If it was a shott then the producer of Monday Raw really is an idiot and will probably find himself released tomorrow.

I also dont see Punk as the kind of person to burn a bridge so visibly. He wants time off...not to become a pariah
Just watched RAW.

Damn! I was really hoping to see DDP hit Drew McIntyre with a Diamond Cutter.

Was CM Punk's speech at the end of the show a shoot?

Arsenalroy2k

06/27/2011, 23:45

Was CM Punk's speech at the end of the show a shoot?

No more than Joey Styles' was, back in 2005 prior to ONS. ;)

michiganj24

06/28/2011, 01:13

Yep and after the promo Vince cut for next week they made that match extremely very very interesting
No more than Joey Styles' was, back in 2005 prior to ONS. ;)

Arsenalroy2k

06/28/2011, 01:37

Yep and after the promo Vince cut for next week they made that match extremely very very interesting

I don't think it's going to be that much more interesting. If you think about it, there's two outcomes to the match:

1. Punk beats Cena; the MitB winner for Raw can just come out, cash in on Punk and keep the title on Raw.

2. Cena beats Punk; Punk hits a GTS on Cena to get one last pop from the Chicago crowd before he leaves, then the MitB winner comes out and cashes in on Cena, who has a tendency to lose his title under such conditions.

viciousbuddha

06/28/2011, 02:28

I don't think it's going to be that much more interesting. If you think about it, there's two outcomes to the match:

1. Punk beats Cena; the MitB winner for Raw can just come out, cash in on Punk and keep the title on Raw.

2. Cena beats Punk; Punk hits a GTS on Cena to get one last pop from the Chicago crowd before he leaves, then the MitB winner comes out and cashes in on Cena, who has a tendency to lose his title under such conditions.

I'll go with option #2, although I'd love to see Punk with the WWE Title for even a brief minute.

go figure the dude taking time off is their hottest wrestler right now lol

turdburglar47

06/28/2011, 02:30

I was on a plane all night - any chance of a link to or summary of what Punk said?

Arsenalroy2k

06/28/2011, 06:56

I was on a plane all night - any chance of a link to or summary of what Punk said?

Watch it while you can.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNq5lQMUQu0

turdburglar47

06/28/2011, 07:08

Wow. Holy cow. That's gotta be a work, but it's a ballsy work if it is.

The dramatic timing of the mic cut-off pretty much sells the 'work' of it.

The BoyBlunder

06/28/2011, 07:33

Man, after that, I'd love to see him win the title, and then beat the money in the bank challenger to boot.

They'd never do that. But it would be awesome.

Anyone think he'll be back to #### with the Cena/Rock match next year?

DroppinSuga

06/28/2011, 10:18

I'm pretty sure atleast one of the MiTB winners will not win when they cash in. They are talking about it being a guaranteed title win WAY too much on Raw.

JDub

06/28/2011, 10:34

Arsenalroy2k

06/28/2011, 12:46

I'm pretty sure atleast one of the MiTB winners will not win when they cash in. They are talking about it being a guaranteed title win WAY too much on Raw.

They've been hyping how it's a guaranteed win for the past two years, which is why I feel sorry for the poor guy that wins the Smackdown MitB match, attempts to cash in and loses.

zyxba

06/28/2011, 13:04

Personally, I'm expecting a ewe version of the summer of punk.

JDKenada

06/28/2011, 22:36

I didn't see the whole RAW so maybe there was a reason for it, but I thought it was great that Punk was wearing a Stone Cold shirt. It was a work no doubt, but it doesn't matter if every single word was scripted or not (I wouldn't doubt if they gave him a live mic and told him to go for it, at least some of it seem improvised) it was still probably the best and most shocking promo ever. I mean the fact that anyone basically said WWE would be better off if Vince was dead live on WWE TV is just simply mind blowing, scripted or not.

Actually, it sounds like they basically said "go out and say in your own words why you're leaving. We'll turn the mic off when we think you're pushing it." He probably had a couple of bullet points to hit, but I think it was mostly improvised on his part.

PhoenixFire

06/28/2011, 22:48

Just watched RAW.

Damn! I was really hoping to see DDP hit Drew McIntyre with a Diamond Cutter.

Was CM Punk's speech at the end of the show a shoot?

*cough* DDP showed up?!...Great...the one RAW I happened to miss. :cry:

Arsenalroy2k

06/29/2011, 01:01

Actually, it sounds like they basically said "go out and say in your own words why you're leaving. We'll turn the mic off when we think you're pushing it."

I dunno about that. After the show went off the air, they turned the mic back on so Punk could sing about Chicago to the Vegas crowd.

DroppinSuga

06/29/2011, 12:09

I dunno about that. After the show went off the air, they turned the mic back on so Punk could sing about Chicago to the Vegas crowd.

The singing was earlier in the night. It was during a commercial break. It's also been confirmed by production members that he was told to go out and say in his own words why he was unhappy and wanted time off.

michiganj24

06/30/2011, 03:17

They basically said to Punk you can anything but cut him off when he was about to talk about the Bully campaign as they treat it as serious and dont want it dragged up that they have done some actions (some by Vince himself) that would be considered very bullyish...the creepy Trish barking like a dog scene comes to mind)

JackAssterson

06/30/2011, 14:32

Saw the Punk stuff late.

Wow. Got my attention in a way it hasn't been got for years.

It was like latter-day WCW stuff, but well done.

DroppinSuga

06/30/2011, 14:36

Saw the Punk stuff late.

Wow. Got my attention in a way it hasn't been got for years.

It was like latter-day WCW stuff, but well done.

I'm really upset that next weeks Raw was already taped and I read the spoilers.

Contingency Plan

06/30/2011, 14:50

Punk was absolutely phenomenal with that shoot. But it is no surprise they let him break the "4th" wall again. He broke it back when Jeff Hardy was leaving for his suspension/going to TNA stuff. He made fun of how Jeff was a drug addict. Those were some of my favorite promos of all time. And they don't even touch this one.

This was his Austin 3:16 moment(hence the shirt). WWE had better not screw it up. Now all he has to do, is go out there and put on a great match against Cena.

turdburglar47

06/30/2011, 15:41

I'm really upset that next weeks Raw was already taped and I read the spoilers.

What? You mean Smackdown? Why would they tape Raw?

DroppinSuga

06/30/2011, 15:44

What? You mean Smackdown? Why would they tape Raw?

Because they will be in Australia next week. They also taped next weeks Smackdown already.

Smackdown is such a lackluster show. The only reason I watch is for Cody Rhodes.

michiganj24

06/30/2011, 17:18

The big was that last time they let him trash a star going out due to a drug problem who they knew would go to their competitor
Here it was trash the WWE
Cracked me up to hear Jim Rome offered Punk a Live Mic to finish his rant.
Too bad nothing will ever come of this...No swerve...no Punk v Austin Match
I would love to have them prove me wrong have Vince try and Screw Punk, Austin come out and stun him and Punk wins then Austin stuns him and MITB cash in setting up Punk Austin at Mania with live mics
Punk was absolutely phenomenal with that shoot. But it is no surprise they let him break the "4th" wall again. He broke it back when Jeff Hardy was leaving for his suspension/going to TNA stuff. He made fun of how Jeff was a drug addict. Those were some of my favorite promos of all time. And they don't even touch this one.

This was his Austin 3:16 moment(hence the shirt). WWE had better not screw it up. Now all he has to do, is go out there and put on a great match against Cena.

The BoyBlunder

06/30/2011, 18:04

The big was that last time they let him trash a star going out due to a drug problem who they knew would go to their competitor
Here it was trash the WWE
Cracked me up to hear Jim Rome offered Punk a Live Mic to finish his rant.
Too bad nothing will ever come of this...No swerve...no Punk v Austin Match
I would love to have them prove me wrong have Vince try and Screw Punk, Austin come out and stun him and Punk wins then Austin stuns him and MITB cash in setting up Punk Austin at Mania with live mics

Punk vs Austin doesn't have any legs. This should elevate Punk to top card, but facing Austin would be a gimmick that would be forgotten. Rock vs Cena is fine, because both were the respective faces of the company during their times. But Punk needs to use this to firmly establish himself against other wrestlers that will be sticking around.

michiganj24

06/30/2011, 21:45

It does not need legs really. Mania is all about special attractions. And lets face it what would get Punk Over bigger than a war of promos with Austin
Punk vs Austin doesn't have any legs. This should elevate Punk to top card, but facing Austin would be a gimmick that would be forgotten. Rock vs Cena is fine, because both were the respective faces of the company during their times. But Punk needs to use this to firmly establish himself against other wrestlers that will be sticking around.

KO Bossy

06/30/2011, 23:30

So I watched Impact for the second week in a row. My thoughts are:

-I'm getting really aggravated at how TNA keeps burying the super talented guys. Samoa Joe lost to Devon, AJ Styles lost to Gunner. It so sad to continually watch the wrestlers with amazing talent consistently get treated like ####, while in the meantime, losers like Crimson, Matt Morgan and Gunner are getting these super pushes. Which leads me to point 2...

-Why is Gunner getting pushed so hard? He's not a very entertaining wrestler and has almost no character. He was originally, along with Murphy, just used as nameless muscle for Immortal, and now he's booked to beat just about everyone. When is TNA going to get some sense into their heads that you can't just push just anybody into main event status? I'm all for pushing new and younger talent, but it can't be people like Gunner. No one cares about him.

-The Triple Threat match between Low Ki, Jimmy Yang and Matt Bentley was excellent. Further proof that TNA needs to get a ####ing clue and start focusing on what makes them unique (ie. the X-Division) instead of constantly putting the spotlight on their over the hill superstars (Sting, Scott Steiner, Hulk Hogan) and trying to recreate WCW.

-Sting's new gimmick, of being some cross between Heath Ledger's Joker and Jim Carrey in The Mask and Ace Ventura, is a pretty cheesy ripoff. Its not even an homage, because that itself lends to a certain degree of originality. Sting's facial features, tone of voice, head movements and whatnot are all totally stolen from Jim Carrey, and he even came out with Joker's face paint on tonight. Sting needed to be refreshed, but I don't think that this is the way, which basically entails stealing other people's ideas and mashing them together into his own.

-I'm also really looking forward to hearing how Destination X goes (I'm not down with paying 45 bucks for it). AJ Styles vs. Christopher Daniels will be terrific, Samoa Joe and Kazarian should put on an awesome match and Jerry Lynn vs. RVD promises to be a great nostalgia trip to their ECW rivalry. Its shaping up to be an awesome PPV, assuming they don't clutter it up with ####.

-It was quite amusing watching Sting stall just before putting Hogan in the Scorpion Deathlock, considering how terrible the condition of Hogan's hips is. Also, Sting's promo wreaked of a Vince Russo worked shoot, considering Sting was using the term Mark and referred to Hogan by his real name. Russo is so out of it that he doesn't realize that pretending that interviews and promos are real and making them sound really dramatic and serious doesn't work that well if the person writing them is an incompetent moron.

-The Knockouts division is so god awfully bad and boring that its truly beyond words. The audience couldn't care less, it seems. And on top of that, their match was an elimination match, an before I started actually started to sorta pay attention, I realized that 3 people had been eliminated. Its pretty bad when you're watching an elimination match and half way through you start wondering where people have gone because no mention of them having been eliminated was made...

Arsenalroy2k

07/01/2011, 00:47

Too bad nothing will ever come of this...No swerve...no Punk v Austin Match

Given that Punk and Austin obviously like one another as evidenced by their playful tweets with one another, I'm not sure why we'd need a match between the two.

LQBigCountry

07/06/2011, 13:13

I did a podcast with the guys over at ftwpodcast.com last night
(7/5/11 - episode #69), it was a fun show, we talked about C.M. Punk, Raw, Smackdown, and the upcoming Destination X PPV. Please check it out!

http://traffic.libsyn.com/ftw/FTW_-_Episode_69.mp3

Fredwood

07/06/2011, 19:39

Punk v Austin would be a great WM match, and would be a alternative to the Rock v Cena. I think they could build the program where Vince has to pull out all the stops and goes to the last guy he would for help, after throwing everything else at Punk (maybe even a short program with Hunter, shrug) Doubt it will happen but it would be interesting.

I didn't watch either show I took a break, but I'll probably watch the next live one. I have a feeling Vince is going to do his screw job routine which would be horrible. I think the only thing they could salvage it would have him do it but Cena won't go along with it and he'll force the MiTB winner to cash-in who could conceivably lose after taking the beating, it would be a decent swerve on his shtick. However I have no trust that they won't #### it up.

Oh and for all you RoH fans, this feels oddly similar to the angle he used in 2005, even down to the post he's making on the interwebs (http://cmpunk.livejournal.com/15096.html?page=1#comments) (from 2k5 and marked out for the Doop avatar). Which leads me to believe he might hang around for a few more months after winning and recreate the Summer of Punk.

michiganj24

07/06/2011, 22:37

He might of until that one slip up with gay slur.
Now a company executive has gone on record stating he will not be with company post the 18th which means the guy and the WWE could get in serious trouble for lying in a way that can affect stock prices

Oh and for all you RoH fans, this feels oddly similar to the angle he used in 2005, even down to the post he's making on the interwebs (http://cmpunk.livejournal.com/15096.html?page=1#comments) (from 2k5 and marked out for the Doop avatar). Which leads me to believe he might hang around for a few more months after winning and recreate the Summer of Punk.

michiganj24

07/06/2011, 22:39

They may like each other in real life but so do many people in top fueds

But character wise they are perfect yin and yang
Straight Edge young punk
versus Beer swilling redneck
Given that Punk and Austin obviously like one another as evidenced by their playful tweets with one another, I'm not sure why we'd need a match between the two.

Arsenalroy2k

07/07/2011, 00:08

Now a company executive has gone on record stating he will not be with company post the 18th which means the guy and the WWE could get in serious trouble for lying in a way that can affect stock prices

First off, if anyone invests in a wrestling company, they deserve everything they get. So it means very little if Vince lies... any more than any other corporate executive anyways.

Second, by the time the 18th rolls around, any special interest group that'll try calling for Punk's head over that comment will have moved on to the next thing they can cry outrage over.

So in the unlikely event that Punk isn't gone on the 18th, nothing will happen.

Oh and for all you RoH fans, this feels oddly similar to the angle he used in 2005

Wouldn't be the first time. The second Punk cut that promo on Jeff Hardy's drug use a few years ago was very reminiscent of his original straight-edge run on the indy scene. Punk is one of the few people that has managed to take his original gimmicks/angles from outside the WWE, bring them to the company and then succeed based around them.

Fredwood

07/07/2011, 01:50

He might of until that one slip up with gay slur.
Now a company executive has gone on record stating he will not be with company post the 18th which means the guy and the WWE could get in serious trouble for lying in a way that can affect stock prices

I don't see how a gay slur would affect anything, they didn't do anything to Cole or Cena and what they did was much worse. Heck Cole barely even apologized and what he did give us was basically a " Sorry, but seriously, STFU and move on."

As to the the second part, I'm not inclined to believe anything about this angle until it actually plays out, wouldn't be the first time a WWE executive was in on a storyline, and with how they're trying to include all forms of media into the promotion of this it could be easily explained away as part of the entertainment aspect.

Regardless, with this and Christian they've done a good job of getting huge reaction out of people this year, which hasn't been the case for some time.

turdburglar47

07/07/2011, 01:53

Wait, what's this stuff about gay slurs?

michiganj24

07/07/2011, 02:20

A fan was letting him have t at a house show. Punk lost his clue and used one of the gays slurs(not sure which) in the heat of the moment to respond. It hasnt been nearly as big as there were no cameras and no internet record but they did fess up and apologize

As to the company Exec. Its one thing to lie to the public...another to a shareholders meeting...a situation like can get the SEC involved. Now not saying they cant rehire Punk but if they had a deal in place when he made that statement all hell can and will break loose (starting with said exec getting quickly terminated)
Wait, what's this stuff about gay slurs?

turdburglar47

07/07/2011, 02:27

Cole and Cena used gay slurs, too?

michiganj24

07/07/2011, 05:56

Yeah but those are the golden children who must be protected JK...but they were before the WWE did the whole sensitivity campaign...becasue of those two. So now everyone else is held to a higher standard
Cole and Cena used gay slurs, too?

Fredwood

07/07/2011, 10:03

Cole and Cena used gay slurs, too?

Punk called the guy a Homo the promo he cut was actually pretty funny, I think it was a poor choice of words maybe, but didn't think it was all that offensive. Cole called Mattews the big one on twitter, and I don't think Cena so much as used a slur as he alluded to Riley and Miz as a couple in a derogatory light on Raw. Of the 3 the only one who sincerely apologized was Punk

Sensitivity training or not, I seriously doubt they'd fire or let a top guy go just because he made a slur to a drunk Aussie.

Arsenalroy2k

07/07/2011, 11:26

I don't think Cena so much as used a slur as he alluded to Riley and Miz as a couple in a derogatory light on Raw.

IIRC, he also made allegations about Justin Gabriel as well, but I don't think either instance is exactly on the same level as Cole or Punk's mistakes.

LQBigCountry

07/07/2011, 12:03

Cena was calling Rock gay on Twitter i think. I don't remember if it was on Raw or Twitter, but it was between Rock and Cena that Cena got in trouble for.

DroppinSuga

07/07/2011, 12:08

Cena was calling Rock gay on Twitter i think. I don't remember if it was on Raw or Twitter, but it was between Rock and Cena that Cena got in trouble for.

It was on Twitter.

michiganj24

07/07/2011, 23:12

Yeah you can insinuate someone is gay all you want that in itself is not technically derogatory. Its in theory no worse than saying someone is sleeping with someone to get ahead (anyone and Vickie/Steph). Its when you start tossing around the word gay in a pejorative way that gets you in trouble

Fredwood

07/07/2011, 23:50

I think Cena's was worse than the others was because he was specifically calling them out for being "gay" and making fun of them for their attraction to other men etc. Where as Punk and Cole made a poor choice of words, but were just using the slur as a derogatory term in the way its been used widely for the past few decades as a replacement for dip####, Jackass, Bastard or Idiot. While the replacement may have originated in regards to the GLB community, the meaning has shifted and focuses less on sexuality and more on the recipients stupidity or overall douchieness. Whereas Cena was actually highlighting the sexuality aspect and berating them for it thus directly attacking the lifestyle. I actually think GLAAD was more upset over it than they were over Cole and Punk, and feel that they were used as "See what we mean?" examples when calling the WWE out.

michiganj24

07/08/2011, 01:07

Also the other reason Cena's was bigger he is the face of the WWE
He is the guy they send for all the press junkets, put on the magazine covers, vists the Make a wish etc.
Cole and Punk are much more minor players in the grand scheme of things (and are heels anyway)
I think Cena's was worse than the others was because he was specifically calling them out for being "gay" and making fun of them for their attraction to other men etc. Where as Punk and Cole made a poor choice of words, but were just using the slur as a derogatory term in the way its been used widely for the past few decades as a replacement for dip####, Jackass, Bastard or Idiot. While the replacement may have originated in regards to the GLB community, the meaning has shifted and focuses less on sexuality and more on the recipients stupidity or overall douchieness. Whereas Cena was actually highlighting the sexuality aspect and berating them for it thus directly attacking the lifestyle. I actually think GLAAD was more upset over it than they were over Cole and Punk, and feel that they were used as "See what we mean?" examples when calling the WWE out.

lensnart

07/12/2011, 17:39

Here is what I see coming in the next few months for Punk.

- He legitimately leaves the company after the Pay Per View, with the belt. Of course this is legitimate in a legal sense but all parties involved have already agreed that he will return in September. He may even do some work elsewhere in the meantime to help build the angle.

- He returns with the belt which he correctly says is the real belt and which he has defaced, along with Colt Cabana, Luke Gallows and maybe one or two other old ROH buddies in tow.

- From there WWE hopefully does an NWO style takeover or insurrection angle, and hopefully they have learned from their very weak WCW and NWO and slightly stronger Nexus angles of the past. The key is to make it all very gritty and realistic with the guys who have paid their dues taking down the pretty boys and roiders handpicked by Vince. But it can't get silly and the WWE need to stay the course for once, and not bail on it to set up a PPV friend vs friend angle in the second month. This should run through Wrestlemania and even into next summer, like the awesome angles of the past.

- The upside to all of this is it gives the WWE a much needed darker feel that stays within the PG realm but has an edge to it for wrestling fans. For Punk it allows him to do something about some of the things that legitimately bug him about WWE and get some jobs for his boys. It also solidifies Punk as an amazing heel and turns him into a legitimate antihero, which is something the WWE has coveted since the loss of Austin.

LQBigCountry

07/14/2011, 13:16

Here is what i think will happen at Money in the Bank:

Cena wins.

What? What else do you expect? Do you think they will put a departing Punk over Cena for his last match?

But if we want to do "boy wouldn't it be cool if..." booking then my booking would be to have Colt Cabana run in and cost Cena the title then have him and Punk hightail it out of the arena before anyone can cash in money in the bank. Next night on Raw Vince has another contract negotiation with Punk and gives him everything he wants and then some and in return Punk defends the title against Cena at Summerslam. At Summerslam, Punk loses and Vince fires him on the spot.

One of the things that has me confused with the whole Punk situation is why is he leaving after a off brand PPV like MitB especially with all the hype and hoopla? Why not keep it going one more month and get a big payday for working Summerslam? I guess when you have had enough, you have had enough.

michiganj24

07/17/2011, 01:05

I think that has to do with WWE. They figured this story would do something to drive by rates (which it has) for an offbrand PPV) And then still leave their big PPV to be used to have some special event or elevate a chose player (Alberto)

One of the things that has me confused with the whole Punk situation is why is he leaving after a off brand PPV like MitB especially with all the hype and hoopla? Why not keep it going one more month and get a big payday for working Summerslam? I guess when you have had enough, you have had enough.

LQBigCountry

07/17/2011, 09:55

I think that has to do with WWE. They figured this story would do something to drive by rates (which it has) for an offbrand PPV) And then still leave their big PPV to be used to have some special event or elevate a chose player (Alberto)

No one will know the buy rates until September. To use the last three years as a reference:

Great American Bash 2008 - 196,000 buys
The Bash 2009 - 178,000 buys
Money in the Bank 2010 - 189,000 buys

I think this will do in the same neighborhood of buys, 200,000 tops.

Fredwood

07/17/2011, 10:48

No one will know the buy rates until September. To use the last three years as a reference:

Great American Bash 2008 - 196,000 buys
The Bash 2009 - 178,000 buys
Money in the Bank 2010 - 189,000 buys

I think this will do in the same neighborhood of buys, 200,000 tops.

Nah I'm sure it will do more than the 200k maybe not much more, its sparked a lot of interest and rekindled a lot of jaded fans, and his two promos alone probably put the PPV over the 200k mark. I know its wierd, but I always think the lesser shows are better from top to bottom, and I think between this and the two MiTB and even Christian to an extent (even though that's pretty much played out by now) and the well booked (to this point) Show and Henry angle (don't want to see that match though) Its actually an interesting PPV.

JDub

07/17/2011, 11:02

I've heard a lot of people who don't usually order PPVs say they are getting this one. I'd bet this will probably be the best selling non-major PPV of the year. I ordered it and the past few years the only PPVs I ordered were Rumble and WrestleMania.

Thawmus

07/17/2011, 23:16

Could not have been more pleased with tonight's result.

But seriously, Punk needs a new finisher. A lot of the moves he's supposed to pull off, need another look. I'm not so sure it's a lack of talent, as much as the moves are just inaccurate and look shoddy at times.

michiganj24

07/17/2011, 23:39

I dotn know to me it looks more real than a Stunner, or a FU or even a Skull Crusher
Could not have been more pleased with tonight's result.

But seriously, Punk needs a new finisher. A lot of the moves he's supposed to pull off, need another look. I'm not so sure it's a lack of talent, as much as the moves are just inaccurate and look shoddy at times.

michiganj24

07/17/2011, 23:39

If they dont know for months then how do they and Boxing and UFC always quote early buy rates???
No one will know the buy rates until September. To use the last three years as a reference:

Great American Bash 2008 - 196,000 buys
The Bash 2009 - 178,000 buys
Money in the Bank 2010 - 189,000 buys

I think this will do in the same neighborhood of buys, 200,000 tops.

zyxba

07/17/2011, 23:41

I dotn know to me it looks more real than a Stunner, or a FU or even a Skull Crusher

I don't like the GTS myself. He'd be better off with a different finisher, as he can't hit it on people like Big Show, and it gets rough looking on people like Kane. A running knee built up correctly would be great.

Arsenalroy2k

07/18/2011, 00:06

SPOILERS
Punk, Christian & Bryan won.

I think the internet is going to melt.

Fredwood

07/18/2011, 08:30

Props to the WWE for sticking with a hot angle. This has restored faith in the company.

Couple of friends and I bought it but the feed kept cutting out on us so we missed a lot of stuff. We got to see most of the last match but cut out right as Cena punched Ace.

Totally surprised Bryan one did not see that one coming at all. I liked the Christian Orton match even though this has run a bit long and looks to go at least another month. Finish was surprising if a little gross.

Raw had a predictable winner, but an interesting finish, and man was the crowd hot all night long.

Great show, probably PPV of the year, lot to do with the crowd.

LQBigCountry

07/18/2011, 09:21

If they dont know for months then how do they and Boxing and UFC always quote early buy rates???

I'm sure they know in a matter of days or so, but they don't report the final number until the end of the quarter.

LQBigCountry

07/18/2011, 09:26

I don't like the GTS myself. He'd be better off with a different finisher, as he can't hit it on people like Big Show, and it gets rough looking on people like Kane. A running knee built up correctly would be great.

You should see the GTS when taken like a man! In the indy's and over in Japan there are people who do it and instead of their opponent landing on their feet then hitting their face on the face they instead land face first on the knee then their feet hit the ground. Looks kinda sick.

But ya, in WWE a lot of guys looks awkward taking it. I remember Smackdown in Cleveland back in May of 2010 Punk fought Kane and it took him three tries to get a decent looking GTS off on Kane and on the third try he was all pissed and cursing. They ended up editting it all out and cut to the third GTS minus the swearing.