Hal Jordan of Earth, You Have Been Chosen... [Archive]

WizKidsNECA

05/04/2011, 11:30

Hello there HeroClix Fans!
The long awaited day is upon us finally. Today we begin our epic journey into the emerald realm of the Green Lanterns and we’re going to start with none other than Hal Jordan himself!

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Hal Jordan is an accomplished test pilot and his Yeah, Ladies, I’m a Test Pilot special power helps out whenever he’s carried by a flier or flying transporter figure. Energy Shield/Deflection keeps Hal safe from ranged attacks while late-dial Willpower demonstrates his determination. Finally, his Alter-Ego power allows Hal Jordan to transform mid-game into none other than Green Lantern!

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adamical

05/04/2011, 12:06

The picture on the card looks very much like Ryan Reynolds. The sculpt, not so much.

werker

05/04/2011, 12:06

Ryan Renolds Clix! Look at how the face came out on the GL digital sculpt then look at the face on the sculpt! Where did his chin go?!? Is the paint to blame for this henous loss of sculpt detail?

Darkjawa103

05/04/2011, 12:07

why didn't they put the Green Lantern up to go with him. He is on the Heroclix main page

combatninja

05/04/2011, 12:07

Nice to get a cheap version of Hal, but does anybody else think that the final sculpt look like he's dancing and half stoned?

And Friday we get Kilowog and Salaak!

combatninja

05/04/2011, 12:10

Ryan Renolds Clix! Look at how the face came out on the GL digital sculpt then look at the face on the sculpt! Where did his chin go?!? Is the paint to blame for this henous loss of sculpt detail?

So true, it looks like the sculpt has fallen the way of BatB and HoT.

Darkjawa103

05/04/2011, 12:12

now if we can get someone to tell us a release date for these figures...

dal_johnson

05/04/2011, 12:21

Have they said anywhere if the figures in the 6 pick (fast forces) and those in the single boosters are the same.

The ads for the single boosters say "collect all 10". So does that mean between both there are 10 figures or are the 16 figures (some same sculpts but different dials).

As for the Hal, 35 points to alter ego into a figure with 11 attack and 4 damage (counting RCE) is nice.

clixster

05/04/2011, 12:30

The sculpt faces may be suspect, but the dial is amazing for the points. Indomitable, good defensive powers that switch and work with the corresponding offensive powers, and an attack that goes up the whole dial. This may be one of the best green lanterns to date, and for only 85 points! The 35 point alter ego is an even better value! I may buy this set just for hal, and he's a common! If kilowog is half what he should be, I'm sold. :cool:

themonkey

05/04/2011, 12:33

Very cool. What's the release date? And is it true you will only be able to find them at big box stores?

get_1

05/04/2011, 12:48

35 point Hal Jordan with the "Green Lantern Corps" keyword?

I finally have my GLC generic point filler. :p :p :p

csi

05/04/2011, 12:53

The special power has me wondering if the +3 to speed is instead of, or in addition to the normal carry modifier.

hail_eris

05/04/2011, 12:54

Here's his GL alter ego for the firewall impaired:
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WhoaDirty

05/04/2011, 12:59

Woooooo, Ryan Reynolds clix! Even bigger woooooooooo, Ryan Reynolds as Green Lantern Dancing Like Elaine Benes clix!

Crazy Bee

05/04/2011, 13:02

A 85/35 pt Green Lantern. And they said it couldn't be done. Finally I have two GLs (The FCBD and this one) that I can use in lower point games without a heavy investment in points. I dunno about the switch from close combat to range, but I'm not too worried about it.

Also the AE action deals no pushing damage to him. Looks like they haven't given up on making the AE work.

I'm looking forward to getting these pieces.

Doom's herald

05/04/2011, 13:02

Definately prefer the AE starting line on this one. Otherwise you charge in and swing away until you get knocked on TK and then send them off.

It looks like Ryan....I guess....

Miraclo

05/04/2011, 13:03

I take it that these are the gravity feed items, so it'll be 1-10. Six of the sculpts will be reused in the Fast Forces Pack, but we don't know if they'll be numbered 11-16, or 100-105 for this set or given some new set name and a 1-6 numbering.

Geof-Force

05/04/2011, 13:10

Notice that the Hal Jordan Alter Ego SP states: "no pushing damage is dealt by this action". I hope this is retroactive with all the other AE figures. It's not quite the Morph "move action" mechanic but this is a good step in the right direction! See, WK listens to us (takes an inordinately long amount of time and not quite the desired result but at least there's progress) :cool:

TheRedHood

05/04/2011, 13:35

Woooooo, Ryan Reynolds clix! Even bigger woooooooooo, Ryan Reynolds as Green Lantern Dancing Like Elaine Benes clix!

LMAO. Woo Hooo! Finally a Hal Jordan(sorry, I can't help myself). My only complaint is the special power should only work if it is a female flyer.

Looks like Alter Ego is back!

batman315

05/04/2011, 13:43

sucks that the phone booth will be golden age

GRENDELX

05/04/2011, 13:52

sucks that the phone booth will be golden age

That's why you start in Hawkworld.

mhmike

05/04/2011, 14:32

gatharion

05/04/2011, 14:33

Hal Jordan, by himself, seems kinda "meh". A zero-range piece with ES/D...:rolleyes:
I guess he can hang out with a Running Shot figure to increase their swing by one square. :cheeky:

If you can get him to his alter-ego clix and switch to GL though, then you've got a pretty solid 35 points.

The 85 point GL, pretty good. If I'm looking for a cheap GL, this is a nice option. I might still stick with the 90 pt Starro-face one if I want the opening TK and running shot though.

If I end up with extras of this GL, I might well mod up a few green-clad aliens to have as generic GL Corps members.

gfishfunk

05/04/2011, 14:40

Neat fix on the AE mechanic------but makes no sense on this figure. If you push to AE, his indomidable will stop you from taking pushing damage anyway. D'oh!

The Bog Man

05/04/2011, 15:18

Thanks for this awesome preview, of what dial aside is a.... bad, bad sculpt.

Yuck, looks like someone put a Linus mask on a flayed corpse then spray painted it green. Nice pose as well, like someone was trying to out-dork Puma Man.

manoftomorrow010

05/04/2011, 15:19

Those stats and powers for 35 points after the AE line are AWESOME!

pepper

05/04/2011, 15:22

Why is the back of the card so boring for the Hal Jordan?? That has gotta be a record for the least amount of content on the back of a character card...I am certain of it.

loldeath

05/04/2011, 15:25

Can someone explain to me what exactly his special power represents? Like if you were to pair him up with superman, its Hal Jordans ability to ride superman more efficiently?

Emberwild

05/04/2011, 15:36

LMAO. Woo Hooo! Finally a Hal Jordan(sorry, I can't help myself). My only complaint is the special power should only work if it is a female flyer.

Looks like Alter Ego is back!

You don't think his SP would work on Northstar?
:p

American Dragon

05/04/2011, 16:08

Yes! Finally, another Alter Ego! I knew we'd have one when we saw the Green Lantern poster! Hooray! Very cool AE.

AmDrag

PsychoHippie

05/04/2011, 16:13

So true, it looks like the sculpt has fallen the way of BatB and HoT.
I've got to get him in hand before I judge. I was pleasantly surprised by the GSX Beast sculpt. The face didn't look nearly as bad as it did on the preview pic.

The special power has me wondering if the +3 to speed is instead of, or in addition to the normal carry modifier.

Since it doesn't say anything about nullifying the -2 modifier, I would say that it's in addition to it, giving you a net +1 to the flier's movement.

PsychoHippie

05/04/2011, 16:17

I've got to get him in hand before I judge. I was pleasantly surprised by the GSX Beast sculpt. The face didn't look nearly as bad as it did on the preview pic.

However, my daughter does not share my scruples. She has deemed Green Lantern to be "the stupidest-looking figure I've seen since Bucky from Cap and Bucky".

A_Higher_Level

05/04/2011, 16:34

Nice to get a cheap version of Hal, but does anybody else think that the final sculpt look like he's dancing and half stoned?

Ode to the Iron-Man 2 party scene

WestCoastAvengers

05/04/2011, 16:42

When Hal switches, he brings a high Att.

Cliffjumper

05/04/2011, 16:56

35pts for the tail end of that dial is SCARY good.

PONX

05/04/2011, 17:24

"containing Parallax" ?!?!?! This is a "movie" figure right?? sooo, what does the wording of his damage SP mean?

tyroclix

05/04/2011, 17:45

"containing Parallax" ?!?!?! This is a "movie" figure right?? sooo, what does the wording of his damage SP mean?

He contains Parallax?

:ermm:

Surfer13

05/04/2011, 17:50

"containing Parallax" ?!?!?! This is a "movie" figure right?? sooo, what does the wording of his damage SP mean?

From the previews it seems apparent to me that Parallax is the source of Hector Hammond's powers, and that ultimately will turn Sinestro into the enemy for the second and/or third film.

now if we can get someone to tell us a release date for these figures...

I noticed that too. A release date for the film, but not for the set.

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I kind of expected the gravity feed set to contain a more powerful/expensive GL than this, though. I thought that it might have served as incentive to get people to buy these in addition to the fast forces packs, not just go shopping for the singles only available in the gravity feed display.

The Hal Jordan AE may be enough to make this GL more sought after, though.

michiganj24

05/04/2011, 17:50

Because this is Rookie Hal who has done absolutely nothing yet....or more likely they werent allowed access to that info as it may contain Movie Spoilers
Why is the back of the card so boring for the Hal Jordan?? That has gotta be a record for the least amount of content on the back of a character card...I am certain of it.

squirecam

05/04/2011, 17:58

From the previews it seems apparent to me that Parallax is the source of Hector Hammond's powers, and that ultimately will turn Sinestro into the enemy for the second and/or third film.

I noticed that too. A release date for the film, but not for the set.

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I kind of expected the gravity feed set to contain a more powerful/expensive GL than this, though. I thought that it might have served as incentive to get people to buy these in addition to the fast forces packs, not just go shopping for the singles only available in the gravity feed display.

The Hal Jordan AE may be enough to make this GL more sought after, though.

I would expect Sinestro GL to be the powerhouse. Or Killowog. Rookie Hal...nope.

TopDog

05/04/2011, 18:07

Definately prefer the AE starting line on this one. Otherwise you charge in and swing away until you get knocked on TK and then send them off.

Yeah, I don't care for figs like this. The dial is backwards.

A release date for the film, but not for the set.

I kind of expected the gravity feed set to contain a more powerful/expensive GL than this, though.

I'm glad it's 85 points, but just don't care for the way the dial is constructed.

I thought the release dat was in 2 weeks? Was the 3rd, then got pushed back to the 17th.

candusima

05/04/2011, 19:09

Huh. Not only is the GL good for its points, it has a decent run of clicks on the bttom of the dial that make the AE mechanic really fun to think about. And the AE mechanic itself getting tweaked to bypass pushing damage . . . nice. Still seems a bit clunky, but getting there. Amusing though, that this power tweak shows up on an Indomitable character. Yes, it can be Outwitted, but wouldn't you just Outwit the AE power instead?

happyoptimistic88

05/04/2011, 19:18

Finally a really good Alter-Ego figure, I really like this Hal Jordan! This is the best Alter-Ego figure so far, especially for 35 points, very nice!:d-indomitable:

GrimlockX

05/04/2011, 19:23

dariusq

05/04/2011, 19:30

Firelord Hero

05/04/2011, 19:56

playable But Not Hal Gorman I can tsayt that with 100$ certainty, wizkids ahs given us 300 hal gorams in the last 3 eyars and none are accurate and none are playable stop putting this crap out just like gentlaman ghost we will nver get a comicurrrate playable versuion just give up wizkidsz you cant do it

whta a sham e and a joke i wont be buying any of these craps GRAVITY boosetre i deal with GRAVITY enough on a day to day basis and I Dont HAVE TO PAY FOR IT

Either you were drunk while posting this, or.....no thats the only explanation I can think of.

Dissapointing preview nonetheless. Sure, AE into a 3 click fig and he will be one shotted. Never liked AE much unless there was inherent benefit (Jason Blood) in getting new powers with a somewhat lenghty dial on the AE.

The rest of the previews (and sculpts for that matter) need to be alot better if they want to sell me on this mini-set. I'm not even a die-hard GL fan. Cant imagine how most of you feel.

TheRedHood

05/04/2011, 20:15

You don't think his SP would work on Northstar?
:p

I am not sure if he is a lady :grin:

KO Bossy

05/04/2011, 20:19

Ugh. These are both a phenomenal waste of plastic. Hal's not even worth fielding and the AE GL is going to get pounded into submission by just about everyone. At this point with SPs I'm surprised we haven't seen a better Contruct power created. Like this, only on a fig with actually good stats:

???????

For 35 points, 2 clicks of 11 attack with 2/RCE and 8 range is actually really good...not to mention the click with RS before that...you say that AE GL will get pounded into submission by just about everyone, yet just about all 35 point pieces (AA Question aside) would have that weakness, which makes that argument moot. As long as he stays at range, he'll have a good defense and will be able to dish out good damage. 35 points for those 3 clicks is stellar, especially when factoring in that he'll be shooting for 4 damage 2/3 turns, thanks to Indomitable. And if someone does decide to take him out, he's only 35 points out of your team, which is hardly a big loss.

I think that's the trouble most people are having-"oh I AE into a piece with only 3 clicks, he'll be taken out so easily, wah wah wah." Yet few people seem to focus on the fact that for those 3 clicks, he's really good.

Its interesting to see a Hal with Charge, since the only other one that we have is the LE from Unleashed. Wish his attack up front was at least a 10, but that's alright. This dial seems almost Hulk like in attack values-starts off low, ends high. Looks like he'll be fun to play.

Surfer13

05/04/2011, 20:21

I would expect Sinestro GL to be the powerhouse. Or Killowog. Rookie Hal...nope.

1) It didn't have to be a rookie. Yeah, it's based on the movie, but that doesn't mean that it couldn't have been even an experienced Hal.
Yeah, now that we see it we know that it's a rookie, but we didn't know that 24 hours ago.

2) Rookie doesn't mean inexpensive. They could have made it a rookie and also made it 150 points compared to, say, a 100 point version in the fast forces pack.

All I am saying is that I think that making this one more powerful would have brought in more sales from existing players that might otherwise pass on the duplicated dials and just go with the fast forces and gravity feed only figures.

I am not passing any judgement on the worth or accuracy of the dial.

flakbait

05/04/2011, 20:37

They both look pretty fun to me. The Green Lantern would actually make for a pretty good generic rookie GL Corps fig.

Batarang96

05/04/2011, 20:38

Why does Hal not have the 'Soldier' keyword?!!!!

Batarang96

05/04/2011, 20:43

Cool dials, by the way.

Two thumbs up, Wizkids.

brevard321

05/04/2011, 21:23

I like it, the only thing that gives me pause is the lack of the Green Lantern team ability.

I'm not sure why a Hal Jordan based on a movie called Green Lantern wouldn't have the Green Lantern TA. Puzzling...

And we are still not sure where these pieces are coming from yet, right? From the mini-boosters or the Fast Forces pack?

EDIT: And yes, I am a big fan of Alter Egos. This is a really good one. :)

Firelord Hero

05/04/2011, 21:26

[QUOTE=KO Bossy;5538879]???????
I think that's the trouble most people are having-"oh I AE into a piece with only 3 clicks, he'll be taken out so easily, wah wah wah." Yet few people seem to focus on the fact that for those 3 clicks, he's really good.
QUOTE]

You make it sound as if that's not worth focusing on. It is.

Sure, 3 clicks of greatness (for 35 points) IF (and thats a big one) you can land some shots before getting one-shotted.

When he is fielded, I will know whats coming and plan for it. It wont be hard to swat away the fly that is this AE-combo.

PsychoHippie

05/04/2011, 21:39

Either you were drunk while posting this, or.....no thats the only explanation I can think of.

This is actually a pretty typical mhmike post.

Which begs the question of whether or not he ALWAYS posts while drunk...

The Arachnid

05/04/2011, 22:20

1. His dial contains spoiler for the movie. (Parallax really? Already? Sigh...)
2. Now my Ryan Reynolds fig can fight my Megan Fox fig to find out whose the prettiest and lamest actor.

:p

brevard321

05/04/2011, 22:22

1. His dial contains spoiler for the movie. (Parallax really? Already? Sigh...)
2. Now my Ryan Reynolds fig can fight my Megan Fox fig to find out whose the prettiest and lamest actor.

:p

What about Halle Berry Catwoman?!? :)

KO Bossy

05/04/2011, 22:24

You make it sound as if that's not worth focusing on. It is.

Sure, 3 clicks of greatness (for 35 points) IF (and thats a big one) you can land some shots before getting one-shotted.

When he is fielded, I will know whats coming and plan for it. It wont be hard to swat away the fly that is this AE-combo.

No, what I said was that people are focusing on that too much and seem to be ignoring the fact that he's terrific for 35 points.

This can be said of just about any 35 ish point piece (barring AA Question, who's broken as it is).

Any player worth their salt wouldn't let you just one shot him so easily. Go and plan ahead all you like, but you make it sound like someone is just gonna march AE Hal right up next to you, transform, and sit there while you hit him. No one is that moronic, and to say a piece isn't that good because they'd die if someone played them stupidly is...well, stupid. It sounds like it you can't march a piece up next to someone and have them absorb hits that you think they're bad, and that's simply ludicrous.

His stats are terrific-10 movement, so he can act as a taxi if needed, he's got the Indomitable to push, he's got move/attack, ESD to keep him safe at range (a 19 defense if you put him in hindering), excellent attack values (10, 11, 11), and he's got RCE to deal out a potential 4 damage. And to top it all off, he's 35 points, meaning he's cheap enough to fit in just about any team. If your opponent does go after him, then they've wasted an action trying to taking him out, while the rest of your team can now retaliate, and since he's so inexpensive, if he IS KO'd, then you've still got a lot of the rest of your team left to finish the game. If you shoot him, good luck, I'll be in hindering with a 19. Go ahead and try to peg my 35 point piece. You'll most likely miss, and have wasted an action. If you punch him, then you've spent a turn killing my 35 point piece, which is only a small part of my team, and it really doesn't hurt me. And yet if you ignore him, you're gonna be taking some serious damage.

And you dismiss him just because he doesn't have very much life?

There are tons of pieces with only 5 clix of life. Just about every Superman can one shot them. So by your logic, those pieces are bad, because even though they may be terrific, they have low life. Sorry SR Scarlet Witch, I know there were 2 of you on the winning team at Gen Con last year, but Tombstone with a Heavy Object can kill you in 1 hit, so you're useless. Tough break, AA Question-only 5 clicks? An Amazon from BaTB can Charge in, grab a Hot Dog Cart and end you just like that. Must mean you're a waste of points. Better luck next time Jason Blood-all your PC can't save you when 22 point Rookie Tiger Lily gets a lucky shot in and rolls anything above a 3 on Blades Claws Fangs.

Are you starting to see how asinine your way of thinking is? Just because a figure has low life doesn't mean that they should be automatically discredited.

gatharion

05/04/2011, 22:34

Why does Hal not have the 'Soldier' keyword?!!!!

Because he's really more of a test pilot than a soldier.

When do these figures come out?

TH0MAS5

05/05/2011, 01:10

35 point Hal Jordan with the "Green Lantern Corps" keyword?

I finally have my GLC generic point filler. :p :p :p

Yeah yeah!

they both look good to me

Charge up front is how you can deal with Stealth sonny boy

Emerald City Mark

05/05/2011, 03:14

Quebbster

05/05/2011, 05:02

It's nice to get a close combat-oriented GL.
I also like that he an really make use of the "automatic knockback" part of Combat Reflexes. Charge in and tie up the opposition, hit big with CCE, and if someone does land a hit, fall back and start taking pot shots.

iMaraud

05/05/2011, 06:14

What a weird stance.

gatharion

05/05/2011, 07:02

While I'm not sure while the 85 pt version would start with combat reflexes, I agree that when starting on the orange click, this is one of the best AE figures. Off the top of my head I can't think of another AE whose best clix are AFTER the orange starting line.

I'll be getting this new GL collector set regardless largely for the new two-sided map.

I'm pretty sure that the Hal Jordan and this version of Green Lantern are only available in the single boosters.

There's no Hal and a different GL dial in the Fast Forces set (the one with the map).

ChiyoChan

05/05/2011, 09:46

This figure is a peice that says you must kill me before I go into my good clicks. 35pts turn into a monster very fast and forces them to attack support peices first rather then the tent poles sometimes.

Oh Yea Tabitha Smith time bombs them into there awesome clicks 2nd turn!
Put 2 time bombs first turn in the squares detonate and watch Green Lanterns Emerge awesome!!!!!

RavenProject

05/05/2011, 09:50

I've got this image of John or Guy zooming around carrying Hal and shouting, "Jordan, will you finish the oath already???"

-J

flakbait

05/05/2011, 10:37

1. His dial contains spoiler for the movie. (Parallax really? Already? Sigh...)

Pretty sure we've already seen movie Parallax in the trailers. I assume he's that big smokey monster thing. Definitely sigh-worthy.

fastcat99

05/05/2011, 11:09

What is with that funky disco pose?????
But....it's a nice dial.

dairoka

05/05/2011, 11:28

The only other "wing" character with Charge, Combat Reflexes and CCE is Karate Kid, also on his first click. This dial is not what I was expecting. Odd layout for a Lantern. I'll get it because I get every Lantern, and I'm sure I'll try him out to see if he plays well, but his playability is probably going to revolve around making sure he's hit by the guys who will land him on the click I want. Not my best playing style.

DOOMSTRIKER

05/05/2011, 12:37

yuck, ugly lantern.. and why must the movie make the GL suit look like some kinda spiderman style symbiote? :confused:

and i was hoping to never see another AE figure again.. yuck

(and now i know that the other figs in the set that i was interested in are gonna be in symbiote suits to:tired:)

probably gonna pass on this one, even if i end up liking the movie

Firelord Hero

05/05/2011, 12:44

This is actually a pretty typical mhmike post.

Which begs the question of whether or not he ALWAYS posts while drunk...

No, what I said was that people are focusing on that too much and seem to be ignoring the fact that he's terrific for 35 points.

This can be said of just about any 35 ish point piece (barring AA Question, who's broken as it is).

Any player worth their salt wouldn't let you just one shot him so easily. Go and plan ahead all you like, but you make it sound like someone is just gonna march AE Hal right up next to you, transform, and sit there while you hit him. No one is that moronic, and to say a piece isn't that good because they'd die if someone played them stupidly is...well, stupid. It sounds like it you can't march a piece up next to someone and have them absorb hits that you think they're bad, and that's simply ludicrous.

His stats are terrific-10 movement, so he can act as a taxi if needed, he's got the Indomitable to push, he's got move/attack, ESD to keep him safe at range (a 19 defense if you put him in hindering), excellent attack values (10, 11, 11), and he's got RCE to deal out a potential 4 damage. And to top it all off, he's 35 points, meaning he's cheap enough to fit in just about any team. If your opponent does go after him, then they've wasted an action trying to taking him out, while the rest of your team can now retaliate, and since he's so inexpensive, if he IS KO'd, then you've still got a lot of the rest of your team left to finish the game. If you shoot him, good luck, I'll be in hindering with a 19. Go ahead and try to peg my 35 point piece. You'll most likely miss, and have wasted an action. If you punch him, then you've spent a turn killing my 35 point piece, which is only a small part of my team, and it really doesn't hurt me. And yet if you ignore him, you're gonna be taking some serious damage.

And you dismiss him just because he doesn't have very much life?

There are tons of pieces with only 5 clix of life. Just about every Superman can one shot them. So by your logic, those pieces are bad, because even though they may be terrific, they have low life. Sorry SR Scarlet Witch, I know there were 2 of you on the winning team at Gen Con last year, but Tombstone with a Heavy Object can kill you in 1 hit, so you're useless. Tough break, AA Question-only 5 clicks? An Amazon from BaTB can Charge in, grab a Hot Dog Cart and end you just like that. Must mean you're a waste of points. Better luck next time Jason Blood-all your PC can't save you when 22 point Rookie Tiger Lily gets a lucky shot in and rolls anything above a 3 on Blades Claws Fangs.

Are you starting to see how asinine your way of thinking is? Just because a figure has low life doesn't mean that they should be automatically discredited.

Lol I'm hoping he just types that way as some sort of joke.

Bossy: I don't tend to play figures with short dials, even AA question. And she's got 5 clicks which is halfway decent. She also has stealth, which is protective. AE'ing into GL gives you 3 short clicks that pack quite a punch. I never discredited that. Yet, its still 3 clicks. That's my qualm.

Thank you for all those warm comments about my line of thinking but its done me quite well thus far. I play fairly agressively with characters that tend to have longer dials (with occasional exceptions) so this is a peice that's just not for me. That was my point. Go ahead, field him all day long. I can tell he gives you a Heroclix hard-on, which is fine by me. That doesn't diminish the fact I will one-shot him with any decent character in any given game-type. 3 clicks is just laughable IMO.

squirecam

05/05/2011, 14:01

1) It didn't have to be a rookie. Yeah, it's based on the movie, but that doesn't mean that it couldn't have been even an experienced Hal.
Yeah, now that we see it we know that it's a rookie, but we didn't know that 24 hours ago.

2) Rookie doesn't mean inexpensive. They could have made it a rookie and also made it 150 points compared to, say, a 100 point version in the fast forces pack.

All I am saying is that I think that making this one more powerful would have brought in more sales from existing players that might otherwise pass on the duplicated dials and just go with the fast forces and gravity feed only figures.

I am not passing any judgement on the worth or accuracy of the dial.

Being based on the movie, the trailer shows Hal getting beaten up by Sinestro and Killowog. Of course they are better. Hal just got the ring. Movie Hal should not be "experienced".

Secondly, we have 137 point Hal as FCBD. We have several 150 ish Hal's. We needed one under 100 since Starro was retiring. And its a different dial from the usual. All good things.

As for "dupe dials", there arent any. The gravity boosters do not contain the same dial as the FF pack. The FF Hal may be that experienced figure you are wanting.

flakbait

05/05/2011, 14:10

I really dig the close-combat nature of his opening dial. Back in the day I used to play with Kilowog as a tank - he'd charge in toting a handful of cheap close combat figures, who'd all work on finishing off his target the next turn. Er, well, this one can't do that so much I guess, because of the lack of TA. But close!

Daveogara

05/05/2011, 14:50

I think that constrictive suit is pushing all of his body fluids into his neck. He needs some kind of goiter related power. Also in today's game of high starting defenses I flinch at the thought of a character that opens with a 9 attack. I don't think this guy is going to see much play there are already three other superior Hal Jordans.

Bat-Phreak

05/05/2011, 15:19

I've got this image of John or Guy zooming around carrying Hal and shouting, "Jordan, will you finish the oath already???"

-J

Great image, rep to you!

boggyghost

05/05/2011, 15:23

is it just me or does the green lantern sculpt look a little.............queenish

squirecam

05/05/2011, 15:43

dariusq

05/05/2011, 21:10

???????

For 35 points, 2 clicks of 11 attack with 2/RCE and 8 range is actually really good...not to mention the click with RS before that...you say that AE GL will get pounded into submission by just about everyone, yet just about all 35 point pieces (AA Question aside) would have that weakness, which makes that argument moot. As long as he stays at range, he'll have a good defense and will be able to dish out good damage. 35 points for those 3 clicks is stellar, especially when factoring in that he'll be shooting for 4 damage 2/3 turns, thanks to Indomitable. And if someone does decide to take him out, he's only 35 points out of your team, which is hardly a big loss.

I think that's the trouble most people are having-"oh I AE into a piece with only 3 clicks, he'll be taken out so easily, wah wah wah." Yet few people seem to focus on the fact that for those 3 clicks, he's really good.

Its interesting to see a Hal with Charge, since the only other one that we have is the LE from Unleashed. Wish his attack up front was at least a 10, but that's alright. This dial seems almost Hulk like in attack values-starts off low, ends high. Looks like he'll be fun to play.

If you're thinking about all the powers you get after you've made the AE switch then dream on. Hal is nothing but a throwaway tie-up piece who is going to get himself one-shoted from the get-go or later when your opponent has let you waste actions trying to push him low enough to transform. There are a lot better uses for the 35pts.

Firelord Hero

05/05/2011, 22:07

If you're thinking about all the powers you get after you've made the AE switch then dream on. Hal is nothing but a throwaway tie-up piece who is going to get himself one-shoted from the get-go or later when your opponent has let you waste actions trying to push him low enough to transform. There are a lot better uses for the 35pts.

Ha! Yes. This. And only this. Thank you dariusq for making me not feel like the only person here who see's this peice for what it actually is.

One shot. One action. It's very minute if you think about it. Considering all the colosalls you have to dump damage into to even get the kill points. Ugh.

squirecam

05/06/2011, 15:38

Ha! Yes. This. And only this. Thank you dariusq for making me not feel like the only person here who see's this peice for what it actually is.

One shot. One action. It's very minute if you think about it. Considering all the colosalls you have to dump damage into to even get the kill points. Ugh.

If you waste 4-5 damage killing my 35 point figure (who has an 18-19 defense at range mind you), thats ok because you left my main attackers alone.

Munchoboy

05/06/2011, 16:20

If you waste 4-5 damage killing my 35 point figure (who has an 18-19 defense at range mind you), thats ok because you left my main attackers alone.

Agreed.

:d-indomitable:

Firelord Hero

05/06/2011, 18:23

If you waste 4-5 damage killing my 35 point figure (who has an 18-19 defense at range mind you), thats ok because you left my main attackers alone.

Your assuming I only have 1 action? That argument is being repeated over and over and over and over. I get it.

Yes, I will waste 1 of my actions to 1-shot your 35 point scrub peice. Yes. Why is that hard to accept? Or better, why are you guy's making it sound like that is the centerpeice of my turn? It's 1 action.

In most games (per the rulebook, but it can be house/judge-ruled) you get 1 action for every 100 points of the game build total. It's a fraction of my entire turn.

Munchoboy

05/06/2011, 18:27

Your assuming I only have 1 action? That argument is being repeated over and over and over and over. I get it.

Yes, I will waste 1 of my actions to 1-shot your 35 point scrub peice. Yes. Why is that hard to accept? Or better, why are you guy's making it sound like that is the centerpeice of my turn? It's 1 action.

In most games (per the rulebook, but it can be house/judge-ruled) you get 1 action for every 100 points of the game build total. It's a fraction of my entire turn.

Someone needs a hug methinks. :nervous:

Firelord Hero

05/06/2011, 18:28

Someone needs a hug methinks. :nervous:

That would depend on how you smell. No response, though? Dissapointing.

Munchoboy

05/06/2011, 18:32

That would depend on how you smell. No response, though? Dissapointing.

Flamebait aside (:rolleyes:), what have I got to prove to you?

You've brought nothing new to the AE "discussion", so rather than write up a measured response, I point you to the numerous "one-shot K.O." Alter-Ego threads already on the Realms.

Suffice to say, I disagree with you. I am content to leave it at that and just try for a smile.

Ted_Kord

05/06/2011, 18:39

Missed this the first time it was posted, somehow, but seeing Salaak and Kilowog prompted me to look back.

I'm actually pleasantly surprised with this pair, and (I can't believe I'm saying this) I really like the use of the AE mechanic on them. Other AE's, even those who had useful "civilian" versions, were usually a lot better in the masked version and there wasn't a real strong incentive to run the AE unless it was as filler points.

I don't really like the top of Green Lantern's dial, I guess just because I'm so used to him being a ranged attacker and I'd rather take one of the fifteen or so other versions, but I like the idea of tacking Hal Jordan (or maybe even two of him) onto my other green lanterns for the movement boost, and then as soon as he takes a hit switching over to the Green Lantern dial which will pose a ranged threat to my opponent at least briefly before he gets picked off. Seems like a decent little package for 35 points.