WizKids Announces Sell-Out of Marvel HeroClix: Captain America

[WizKidsNECA]

<img src="http://wizkidsgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/MV16-CaptainAmerica-logo.png" width="200px" align="left" style="padding-right:5px">May 20, 2011 (HILLSIDE, NJ) — WizKids Inc. announces the manufacturer sell-out of their most recent set, Marvel HeroClix®: Captain America. WizKids’ entire inventory of Marvel HeroClix: Captain America, releasing July 13th, 2011 has been completely sold to distributors worldwide.

The Marvel HeroClix: Captain America expansion will feature more than 60 figures in standard five-figure boosters. Celebrating 70 years of comic book history, Captain America’s allies and enemies will be spotlighted prominently in this long awaited addition to the HeroClix universe. Sub-themes in the set will include: the Serpent Society, S.H.I.E.L.D. Hydra, recent fan favorites the Secret Warriors and more! And making their bold debut in HeroClix, removable elements will enhance the action with exciting in-game effects and abilities![...]

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[neilr1]

What a surprise.

[Uberman]

Bully for you and good and great, but I'm sorta... I don't know, getting put off by these essentially meaningless announcements of sell-outs. All they do is make a certain segment of the population freak out.

[Sheeplover]

Shocked I say.

[mike_houghton]

Bully for you and good and great, but I'm sorta... I don't know, getting put off by these essentially meaningless announcements of sell-outs. All they do is make a certain segment of the population freak out.

Well when most of the stores in my state sell out it tends to anger people. Not everyone can prepay and preorder like I can so a lot of the players in this state are left with hoping the distributors bless us with enough to play.

I have a dozen new players who could barely get any of the last set (Im talking one or two packs each) from the store.. and those were on the release day. We couldnt get anymore after that. Luckily I found a shop who had some 35 miles away and sent them there for the 8 packs they had left.

There is reason to freak out when the new players cant get any product.

[AUKOS]

YES WE CAN SAVE HEROCLIX - AND BOY DID WE!

This is good news, NECA needs to make money to stay viable. Congrats to all of us and here's to more sell-outs.


AUKOS

[Thunderclese]

That last bit, about reprinting Cap to support in-store play, is awesome!

[Hatut Zeraze]

Sub-themes in the set will include: the Serpent Society

Waitaminnit! Isn't this new information? I don't remember this being confirmed before.

[Uberman]

Well when most of the stores in my state sell out it tends to anger people. Not everyone can prepay and preorder like I can so a lot of the players in this state are left with hoping the distributors bless us with enough to play.

I have a dozen new players who could barely get any of the last set (Im talking one or two packs each) from the store.. and those were on the release day. We couldnt get anymore after that. Luckily I found a shop who had some 35 miles away and sent them there for the 8 packs they had left.

There is reason to freak out when the new players cant get any product.

But my point is, would there be as crazy a level of pre-selling if everything weren't trumpeted as being sold out and instantly rare two months before even being available?

It's escalation, man.

[songwriterz]

Waitaminnit! Isn't this new information? I don't remember this being confirmed before.

I was wondering that, too. I know lots of folks here have been wanting SS remakes (and first makes) and I know that it has been heavily speculated, but this is, in my mind, the first time that Serpent Society has been confirmed.

And again, me likely very much!

[Owlman]

Waitaminnit! Isn't this new information? I don't remember this being confirmed before.

It is indeed. I hope we get Cottonmouth.

[fatfinley]

Before people gripe about this being sold-out before its released. Remember it doesn't matter, the world is ending on May 21st. See you in Heaven!

[Telimtor]

Looks like a great set... By the way... what's the next DC set ?

[songwriterz]

Before people gripe about this being sold-out before its released. Remember it doesn't matter, the world is ending on May 21st. See you in Heaven!

Geebus in hebens below and above! What is wrong with you people?!? The world does NOT end on May 21st! What are you - a bunch of backwater mouth breathers who believe everything any lunatic on a street corner soap box tells you!

Grow up and get real!




Everyone knows the world ends December 21st, 2012.


:(

[Carbon Rod]

Captain America sells out?! What?! Steve and Bucky would never do that!!! They would never bow to corporate pressures or big business or ... oh what? The heroclix set sold out?

Oh ... well good on ya Wizkids.

[mike_houghton]

But my point is, would there be as crazy a level of pre-selling if everything weren't trumpeted as being sold out and instantly rare two months before even being available?

It's escalation, man.

I dont know... I just know the three stores in my area couldnt order any more product two weeks before GSX was released. Thats a problem.

[Manchine]

Got to love the Quality. =)

[chrisgo316]

I am very sorry to have to say this, but Neca/Wizkids, you need to start producing more when you are releasing a set. This is pretty bad that a set has over a month to release date and it has been sold out already. I tried to prepay a month ago on some of this set at my B&M but they said a month ago that they could not because the Captain America set was already sold out as it was :(

[songwriterz]

Not meaning to feed the fire, here, but I think this will be an even bigger issue for the upcoming Superman set. The reason I say that is that we know there are three Marvel sets coming within the first half of 2012 (Infinity Gauntlet, Hulk, Mighty Avengers) but there is no word on the next DC set beyond Superman.

I think DC fans are going to snap up as much Superman as they can as quickly as the can for fear it will be the only full set they have to look forward to for awhile. Which ymakes me even more glad to be a Marvel fan!

[Uniquist]

Distributers (Diamond/Alliance here in the states) bought it all - that doesn't mean they allocated it all or pre-sold it all, right? So this is really a warning to get your bricks/cases pre-ordered if you want it. Or find a friend to split if you can't afford it all yourself.

For the record, I would rather they made less & sold it all, than make too much and have to sit on product. I think that really is the choice here. It doesn't take much unsold product to go from profitable to non-profitable. (heh - there are still Avengers cases for sale in various places!).

I guess it's never bothered me if a set is sitting on store shelves or not. A set of C's and Uncommons online for GSX will cost about $20+$5 shipping. A set of R's is $50, but minus 2 or 3 of the highest-demand ones. And I'll pay to get any high-end pieces I need for my builds. I was never very lucky with getting SRs (never mind chases), so this isn't much of a change for me.

Don't get me wrong - I understand the frustration, I'd like for some to be on store shelves (if for nothing else the PR value of impulse buys and seeing the things in a store), but this is business decision in order to make sure they can keep on producing future sets. The economy still isn't very good. WK pretty much *must* sell out.

[Munchoboy]

Distributers (Diamond/Alliance here in the states) bought it all - that doesn't mean they allocated it all or pre-sold it all, right? So this is really a warning to get your bricks/cases pre-ordered if you want it. Or find a friend to split if you can't afford it all yourself.

For the record, I would rather they made less & sold it all, than make too much and have to sit on product. I think that really is the choice here. It doesn't take much unsold product to go from profitable to non-profitable. (heh - there are still Avengers cases for sale in various places!).

I guess it's never bothered me if a set is sitting on store shelves or not. A set of C's and Uncommons online for GSX will cost about $20+$5 shipping. A set of R's is $50, but minus 2 or 3 of the highest-demand ones. And I'll pay to get any high-end pieces I need for my builds. I was never very lucky with getting SRs (never mind chases), so this isn't much of a change for me.

Don't get me wrong - I understand the frustration, I'd like for some to be on store shelves (if for nothing else the PR value of impulse buys and seeing the things in a store), but this is business decision in order to make sure they can keep on producing future sets. The economy still isn't very good. WK pretty much *must* sell out.

I agree with your points.

Something else to consider; HeroClix is clearly growing in both fans and sales, both areas are difficult to predict even though production runs increase with each subsequent set.

I can definitely see the challenge in accurately predicting what the magic production number will be.

Either way, I am pleased to hear that a small secondary run is being considered, so long as that doesn't delay other products! :classic:

[Geof-Force]

Everyone knows the world ends December 21st, 2012.


:(

Nah, Superman's going to save our asses in Man of Steel :cool:

Unless it's a bomb... then I'd say God is more than welcome to vaporize the planet for failing to make a good Superman movie since Superman 2 :p

[IceHot]

SHIELD
HYDRA
Serpent Society
GLA
Secret Warriors
Winter Guard

(yikes doesnt leave much room for the Liberty Legion...man I will be disappointed if they dont do the Liberty Legion.)

[reklawyad]

I'm going to throw in the towel, too much product to fast for my case. Doesn't help that the wife just got laid off but we had already started looking at my plastic addiction as well as magic card addiction and it's taking it's tole for what I want to use to have fun. The TRU exclusives and target ones came close(I was even a lucky one to get some from target too) but with the sets being "sold out" before they hit the shelves seems to me there just isn't a great production run going on.

I'm not leaving or anything, but damn is my spending going to have to get cut back. There is no way that I can justify every three months for two games spending 400 bucks to get "full sets" of things.

I now have enough trade fodder to hold menin both games if I really want to get something I should be fine but really what about those who cannot? Where are those guys/gals going to be able to get if everytime we turn around a set is sold out??

[red king]

Before people gripe about this being sold-out before its released. Remember it doesn't matter, the world is ending on May 21st. See you in Heaven!


Not me. I'm getting my own circle in hell. Beer to all who join me!

[Doom's herald]

Ok, this is the first i've noticed the "removable elements" aspect.

This is going to be awesome. So for instance, we're going to have a cap with a removable shield. Let's say while he's holding the shield he either gets toughness and/or +1 to his DEF.

While he's holding the shield, he may use RCE. If he does, you'd lose the modifiers until your next turn.


Something like that woudl be sweet! you could even add in a small chance of losing the shield like after you use RCE, "remove the shield from this figure and roll a d6, on the result of 1 the shield is placed in a square adjacent to the target."

This would be the more complicated version though, you'd need special rules that the objects could be picked up and used by any character, but if they weren't named "captain america" or a sharpshooter they'd get -2 to their attack or something.

I'm just spitballing here but am very excited about the prospect of removable elements! I just wish they had done that for Juggernaut's helmet ability.

[Puuka]

I want to care. I really really do. But, I just can't bring myself to do it. You might as well just put these up when you announce the new sets.

"Coming next from Wizkids, Marvel Fast Fecal Forces packs. Featuring all the crapiest figures we've ever made, reprinted as you've requested. Included are such popular figures as Puppet Master, Man Thing and the Con Artist. Oh, and, they've sold out. We made them just to send to our distributor, so of course we sold them out."

[elfholme]

I am very sorry to have to say this, but Neca/Wizkids, you need to start producing more when you are releasing a set. This is pretty bad that a set has over a month to release date and it has been sold out already. I tried to prepay a month ago on some of this set at my B&M but they said a month ago that they could not because the Captain America set was already sold out as it was :(

Well, obviously we know now that they should have produced more of this set, but since a) they have been increasing production with every new set since HoT and b) there are a couple of sets they've produced in the recent past (WoS and BatB) that STILL haven't sold out, it's obviously hard to pin down. In other words, there are sets that were produced fairly recently that had lower print runs and still haven't sold out, and yet people seem to think that it's obvious that they should have increased production (above the amount they are already increasing it) whenever a sellout is announced.

Having said that: "Because of the shortage of product, WizKids is investigating an additional small print run for Captain America to support in-store organized play. American retailers should contact their WizKids distributor for more information. International retailers should contact their local distributors for ordering information."

So, they're working on it!


Distributers (Diamond/Alliance here in the states) bought it all - that doesn't mean they allocated it all or pre-sold it all, right? So this is really a warning to get your bricks/cases pre-ordered if you want it. Or find a friend to split if you can't afford it all yourself.


From Lax in the article: "Captain America’s sales and velocity far exceeded even Giant Sized X-Men — Alliance had to stop taking orders 13 weeks prior to release. "

So yeah, it sounds like the distributor is selling out as well.


I'm just happy we'll be FINALLY getting more Serpent Society love in this set. BOOYAH!!! :)

[T Rez]

Looks like a great set... By the way... what's the next DC set ?

Superman. And I sure hope I can get a preorder in at a reasonable price.

I got a case of DC75 for $145, then GSX preorder cases were going for $160. Now I look at Captain America cases and they are at $180. At that price I might as well just buy single boosters from a local shop that sells them at $9 to $10. It's all because these online shops are saving up product so they can sell at ridiculous prices once the well runs dry.

[elfholme]

Ok, this is the first i've noticed the "removable elements" aspect.

This is going to be awesome. So for instance, we're going to have a cap with a removable shield. Let's say while he's holding the shield he either gets toughness and/or +1 to his DEF.

While he's holding the shield, he may use RCE. If he does, you'd lose the modifiers until your next turn.


Something like that woudl be sweet! you could even add in a small chance of losing the shield like after you use RCE, "remove the shield from this figure and roll a d6, on the result of 1 the shield is placed in a square adjacent to the target."

This would be the more complicated version though, you'd need special rules that the objects could be picked up and used by any character, but if they weren't named "captain america" or a sharpshooter they'd get -2 to their attack or something.

I'm just spitballing here but am very excited about the prospect of removable elements! I just wish they had done that for Juggernaut's helmet ability.

I plan to glue mine in place. Removable objects = more pieces to keep track of and potentially lose. Better to just mark something like this with a token, exactly like GSX Juggernaut works.

[Sriad]

Because of the shortage of product, WizKids is investigating an additional small print run for Captain America to support in-store organized play. American retailers should contact their WizKids distributor for more information. International retailers should contact their local distributors for ordering information.

Well thank fudge for that. It's nice to hear that this will be handled a LITTLE better than GSX.

Underproducing product (in GSX at least) only resulted in a handful of stores/major collectors who are sitting on a huge backroom stock, while local stores have had nothing but Super Boosters for three weeks and been unable to run sealed events. I hope WizKids/NECA does more work to MEET demand than to astroturf it.

edit to clarify/be less snipey about it: bully for WizNeca for being successful with the Heroclix line, but I very much hope the "limited second run" is code for "we'll help Friendly Local Game Store owners who are unable to throw down $1000 for 7 cases all at once because that's how we get new players and grow the brand".

[Clclix]

Well, at least I have almost 2 months to save up. I might just forget about Origins at this rate, my disposable income shrinks, and the onslaught of clix coming means I'll have to take it easy if I want the Cap Gravity Feed AND the set. I don't mind this so much I guess, I'll trade for the Horsemen or something to that effect later.

[WarHULK]

Serpent Society! Hydra! Sin! Winter Guard!

I cannot wait for this release! SO MUCH GOODNESS!

Dare I hope for a Cobra or Cobra/Mr Hyde duo? Dare I dream the dream of completing B.A.D. Girls? Eel, Bushmaster and a new Anaconda? More Secret Avengers (Moon Knight and Nova)? Cap's best supporting cast members? Be still, my heart!

[Munchoboy]

Well thank fudge for that. It's nice to hear that this will be handled a LITTLE better than GSX.

Underproducing product (in GSX at least) only resulted in a handful of stores/major collectors who are sitting on a huge backroom stock, while local stores have had nothing but Super Boosters for three weeks and been unable to run sealed events. I hope WizKids/NECA does more work to MEET demand than to astroturf it.

edit to clarify/be less snipey about it: bully for WizNeca for being successful with the Heroclix line, but I very much hope the "limited second run" is code for "we'll help Friendly Local Game Store owners who are unable to throw down $1000 for 7 cases all at once because that's how we get new players and grow the brand".

There is no "underproduction" at work here. This is an instance where demand is exceeding supply, supply that I should point out which is based upon the sales of the previous relevant product and then increased (as it has been for every set since Hammer of Thor).

I just want to make sure we're debating facts here is all. Carry on.

[songwriterz]

There is no "underproduction" at work here. This is an instance where demand is exceeding supply, supply that I should point out which is based upon the sales of the previous relevant product and then increased (as it has been for every set since Hammer of Thor).

I just want to make sure we're debating facts here is all. Carry on.

"Facts?" We don't need no stinkin' factses!

[Munchoboy]

"Facts?" We don't need no stinkin' factses!

Touche' LOL :laugh:

[The Charlatan]

Am happy for more Serpent Society and cautiously optimistic about Winter Guard. Not too into SHIELD, Hydra, or Secret Warriors. That's pretty much it until I know more.

[DrugSex]

Nah, Superman's going to save our asses in Man of Steel :cool:

Unless it's a bomb... then I'd say God is more than welcome to vaporize the planet for failing to make a good Superman movie since Superman 2 :p

LOL! True!
I'm not buying any new clixs until the release of the Superman set. I want to buy at least 3 bricks. (at reasonable prices)

[Sriad]

There is no "underproduction" at work here. This is an instance where demand is exceeding supply, supply that I should point out which is based upon the sales of the previous relevant product and then increased (as it has been for every set since Hammer of Thor).

I just want to make sure we're debating facts here is all. Carry on.

I guess I should be mad at myself and my friends for getting back into the hobby and continuing to increase demand beyond supply, then. ;)

But seriously, I want new and returning players to be able to get the product they want through local brick and mortar stores instead of either choosing from a limited selection of prepackaged figures or buying online at retail prices.

I'll admit I don't have a deep understanding of the logistics needed to produce a few hundreds of thousands of hand-painted miniatures, only an understanding of my PERSONAL experience... which isn't going to make itself known unless I talk about it. I think my "nicer" addendum stands: Wizkids/NECA are best served and best serve their customers by making Heroclix available in a way that B&M stores can test interest without putting themselves out for a thousand dollars or more months in advance. The announcement of a (limited) second production run is a step in the right direction.

...on second thought, let's blame Diamond for everything. Them and their gosh darned comic distribution monopoly. ;)

editing again: Where do you have detailed numbers for unit production, Muncho? I completely believe you about increasing numbers; I'm just interested in learning more.

[Axiom125]

And...with this I think I'm done buying heroclix - it was already hard enough to get some GSX at launch and that sold out like 2 weeks before? We're like 1.5-2 months before Cap's release and it's already manufacturer sell out? I'm tired of our store always being out of product and having to salvage around for new clix... Anyone wanna buy some of my clix? haha

[EvilTwinSkippy]

Wow, that's actually pretty awesome. I'm happy to see the company is doing so well, selling out set after set. Gives me hopes that we'll see Heroclix around for a long, long time.

P.S. Note to self: Better place my pre-order today.

P.S.S. OMG, Serpent Society??????? :laugh:

[haibane13]

Is anyone else up to here with hearing about how some set sold out . I prefer the sets be somewhat available , instead of worrying that you'll have to purchase a brick or case overpriced . That's all sold out has meant in heroclix .

[Thunderclese]

Wow, that's actually pretty awesome. I'm happy to see the company is doing so well, selling out set after set. Gives me hopes that we'll see Heroclix around for a long, long time.

P.S. Note to self: Better place my pre-order today.

P.S.S. OMG, Serpent Society??????? :laugh:

Man am I the only one that loves Cap but can't stand the Serpent Society?

I mean, Diamondback, sure, since she kicked it with Steve for awhile and was in the Initiative. And the BAD Girls, Inc with Black Mamba, DB and Asp was okay... and then there's the Serpent guys that were in Sin's hit-squad during "The Man Who Bought America" storyline....

Dammit, I think I like the Serpent Society....

[DaeRave]

Don't you guys get tired of discussing the same damn topics over and over again?

[songwriterz]

Don't you guys get tired of discussing the same damn topics over and over again?

You got something better we can talk about?



hmmmm.....



waiting......

[EvilTwinSkippy]

Dammit, I think I like the Serpent Society....

I love the Serpent Society, just cuz I have a soft spot for kooky Marvel B-List villains.

Diamondback and Viper were likely to be in this set already, but now maybe we'll get to see the likes of Bushmaster, King Cobra, or a new Constrictor. Add in MODOK, the Red Skull, Arnim Zola, Squirrel Girl, Batroc, Ursa Major, and maybe even an Armadillo, and this could be my favourite set yet!

[switch21]

I just find it remarkable that people will complain about this. Less than 2 years ago, the game was dead, shut down, and now it's looking like a powerhouse... that's great for everybody!

Too much product...sells out too fast...

I would never have thought this would be true. Our group is growing and yeah, it's frustrating not to have tons of new stuff for them to buy, but our store sells out and people want more of the next set... how is that a bad thing? Store owner is happy, people are a part of a game that's going somewhere, prize support has been taken care of and continuing to improve. I'm thinking this is win, win folks.

[songwriterz]

I just find it remarkable that people will complain about this. Less than 2 years ago, the game was dead, shut down, and now it's looking like a powerhouse... that's great for everybody!

Too much product...sells out too fast...

I would never have thought this would be true. Our group is growing and yeah, it's frustrating not to have tons of new stuff for them to buy, but our store sells out and people want more of the next set... how is that a bad thing? Store owner is happy, people are a part of a game that's going somewhere, prize support has been taken care of and continuing to improve. I'm thinking this is win, win folks.

I'm thinking that I agree with you and that you and I are right.

[michiganj24]

YES Serpent Socity....Cobra, Diamondback....Maybe even Black mamba

[Hellboy]

facepalm.

are you guys even trying to meet demand?

[KirbyLee]

SERPENT SOCIETY! WELCOME! COME ON IN MR. EL YES, AND MUFFIN-A! MODAK is certain, then there has got to be a Death Adder and Cottonmouth!
Diamondback and the Bad Girls! OH YEAH!
AND DARE I HOPE! FINALLY? YES O YES THERE HAS GOT TO BE COBRA, ONE OF THE OLDEST CLASSIC MARVEL VILLIANS THAT HAS YET TO BE MADE!

[reklawyad]

I just find it remarkable that people will complain about this. Less than 2 years ago, the game was dead, shut down, and now it's looking like a powerhouse... that's great for everybody!

Too much product...sells out too fast...

I would never have thought this would be true. Our group is growing and yeah, it's frustrating not to have tons of new stuff for them to buy, but our store sells out and people want more of the next set... how is that a bad thing? Store owner is happy, people are a part of a game that's going somewhere, prize support has been taken care of and continuing to improve. I'm thinking this is win, win folks.

I guess my problem with the release of all these sets is that if I can't afford to buy them (which i will be now hard pressed to get a ton of) when I do eventually want to get some I have to go to the secondary market and not the b and m stores. One of the stores around here does sell singles but I just have issues with buying them sometimes so that is my own burden to face not anyone else's.

I just hope that the srs and chase pieces of sets start sucking so I dont have to try and get things I'll "might" play.

[KO Bossy]

Another Heroclix set sells out? The hell you say! Next you're going to tell me there's a NEW Mexico!




In all seriousness, I'm getting a bit irritated with these announcements. They really are pretty meaningless. All this means is that Diamond or some other distributor(s) bought all of the stock Wizkids made. Big deal, that just means there won't be any stray boxes at the NECA factory.

Whether this statement is true or totally full of ####, all it does is succeed in one thing-panicking people. A set will draw new people in, of course, but if the customers think its sold out, they'll start buying up as much as they possibly can in fear that they won't get any (look at the GSX debacle). Then those less...scrupulous...customers will turn around and try to sell them on ebay or another version of the secondary market, claiming they're harder to get because of the "sellout", which is reason enough for them to charge more. So basically, by announcing a sellout, its causing people to buy more, and the way I see it, more directly benefiting the slime balls who claim venue status so they can order cases with the express intent of flipping them to make a profit, which in turn screws people who actually want the figures to play with because they can't find any of the set because the venue jerkoffs hoarded it all.

[rpweld03]

I think I've passed my fan-frenzy threshold. News about a new heroclix set based on one of my favorite comic book characters ever doesn't even interest me. A month ago, I was really passionate about heroclix. I was all over the forums taking stances and trying to rally for things I cared about. I no longer care.

My local comic book store got the Green Lantern fast forces pack in and sold them all before I got there at 5:30 on Wednesday. They said they'd see if they could reorder and my response was, "Yeah, okay."

I have been to two different Target stores this week on other errands and haven't even gone looking for Green Lantern packs.

I drove past a TRU ten times in the last week that is supposed to be getting the exclusive colossal figures, and it never occurred to me to go look for them. It is literally on my way to and from work, and no part of my brain said, "Hey, they might have new clix in there!"

For the Fast Forces pack, well, the store can either get one or they can't. Whatever. Six months ago, I would have really wanted it. Now, I just don't care. In both cases of the retail exclusives, I just assumed that they would either not be there yet, or have been bought up by the scalpers.

I think all the hype has broken me. I can no longer get excited by new product that will be on ebay at absurd prices well before I see any of it in person.

With this announcement it's all "Get your Captain America before it's too late!"

Meh. I'm not going to chase this game.

[Hellboy]

I have to agreed with the last poster.

making it a challenge to buy the product shouldn't be a part of the meta-game.

I get a lot of pleasure out of wasting money. It's true. I really love to blow my money on games. Being unable to do it is like unsatisfying sex.

I have the cash. I want to exchange it for cool stuff, but I can't so end up with Junk food from Target instead. It's watering down my excitement.

[UndeadEnigma]

Glad I at least got a brick of the set with a pre order. There will most likely be at least three booster games at my venue, eh I'll be alright. I have to learn how to cut down on the clix somehow. Still, this whole sell out stuff doesn't grab me. The company is underestimating the total product desire based on the advance leak in advertising of the product? I mean, the next set info is leaked at least three to two months in advance, which is their apparent plan. They launch tons of product and info about mini sets coming in 2012. I think some one in marketing should get that the people are excited about clix again. Bump up the quota, and keep up the good work in making the game something we all want to play.

[jhunt]

I want to see like 5-7 Serpent Members

Black Mamba
Cobra
Cottonmouth
Diamondback
Princess Python
Sidewinder
Viper

[gambitrmp]

Serpen Society is okay - hopefully we'll also get the Zodiac team.

[gambitrmp]

As for the sell out - there's still tons of product circling around on eBay where I get my CUR sets since I want what I want & don't like gambling on boosters.

Yeah, they sold out on the distributor level. Doesn't mean it's unattainable if you want it, just gotta know where the dealers are.

[SpideyCan]

What I don't understand is wizkids refusal to make more.

[ghosta]

Can I get all 12 of the Serpent Society that was in the Cap books years ago? Probably not, but ....C'mon

[tonysking]

Man I can't believe people are still complaining about this issue :tired:. OH, WAIT, I forgot where I was for a second, nevvermind, I totally believe it:p.

ANOTHER set sold out? AWESOME! I pre-ordered mine, and my OP kits, a long time ago. So did all my players/customers. At a discount, without having to pre-pay :cool:. Live and learn people, live and learn:classic:.

[GroovyBoy]

the world is ending on May 21st. See you in Heaven!

Yeah, about that: Not all of us are as righteous as FSD...

[GroovyBoy]

What I don't understand is wizkids refusal to make more.

You mean the part where they said they were exploring a extra print run for in-store play?

Reading. It's fundamental...

[Remjer]

Glad to hear that heroclix is selling very well and that the game is profitable, and extremely happy that NECA/Wizkids is going a reprint of the set, even if it's going to small.

But I find it kinda of weird that this set has sold out so fast with knowledge of only 10 characters in the set (plus the expectation of others) before a single dial has been previewed.

my theory on what has happened that after the shortages with GSX with Diamond/Alliance, that retailers and Distributors up their orders big time for fear of being shorted product again.

which begs a interesting question, what happens if this set doesn't sell off retailer shelves as everyone's expecting, because the set doesn't live up to the hype of players/collectors expectations.

I haven't pre-order anything more than a brick because I base my pre-order on which characters are in the set (dial are nice but it's all about character selection for me)

Another factor to consider is what if the gravity figure of this set are better than the full set versions? We've some debatable evidence of that with the Green lantern stuff this week.

Should an interesting time when this set fully launches

[Miraclo]

It'll be interesting to see how this continues to work as we roll into 2012 with the plan to produce smaller sets at a faster rate, trying to shift the emphasis more to the next set than dwelling on whichever one's just sold through. Aside from the public relations aspects and fielding any problem with shipping and fulfillment of standing orders, Wizkids is done with the main Captain America set. Those production levels were set and order monies collected a while ago.

I'd gotten accustomed to pre-ordering roughly 4 months ahead back as early as at least Critical Mass. For a stretch of years later on there wasn't a need for ordering so far in advance, but we've shifted back to that more recently... and it works for me. My orders for Cap were in back in early March, and I'm set through Superman so far.

The only reports that worry me are any about stores not able to get product - which is generally spotty info - and any word of stores not getting their full order... which also remains at least questionable when it comes up. It should all mainly be a matter of lead time, such that orders placed early enough are guaranteed. I don't envy retailers in that regard, though, considering it's in their best business interests to keep matters tight - putting money into new stock as close to possible to the time of resale. Most of them have to depend on Alliance/Diamond to gauge the demand and stock up appropriately, but they're concerned about being left with stale stock, too, so the purchasing guy at that level has incentives to not go overboard.

There's never going to be a perfect balance, and it should be understood that selling through the run of a set at the retail level is to be considered a successful business practice. I'm reasonably sure that the stores who sold out of GSX and DC 75th probably have fair amounts of Web of Spider-man, Brave and the Bold, and some much earlier sets gathering dust and tying up cash.

However, I understand that it all has to be frustrating for those who would prefer to buy into a new set a couple boosters at a time over the course of a month or so following a release. It may become necessary to make deals with one's local shop to commit to buying a set number of boosters of an upcoming set, even if they can't all be paid for at the same time. The financial heart of a retail operation is turnover. Cash into product, back into cash so some of the profits can pay the bills and the rest can go back into product, and so on. It can be a very rough grind -- a truly never-ending battle if successful. A retailer is taking risks with every new order he places. It's important for customers to remember that.

Taking a longer view and planning for a set that's about four months out may be what more customers will need to do. Maybe today's the day you should see what can be worked out with your favorite local retailer concerning September's Superman release. If you feel you need to know the details of the set before coming close to making any such arrangement then... good luck. You've chosen a hobby that may not be suitable for you, or at least one where you'll need to let others take the initial risk and you just buy what you want on the secondary market.

You really have no solid ground to stand on if your complaint boils down to you being upset because someone else didn't take a big enough risk on the behalf of those who didn't want to.

[Gentlegamer]

Yeah, about that: Not all of us are as righteous as FSD...None are righteous. Not one. All fall short.

[Munchoboy]

What I don't understand is wizkids refusal to make more.
You mean the part where they said they were exploring a extra print run for in-store play?

Reading. It's fundamental...

Not to mention they have been making more with each subsequent set.

You really have no solid ground to stand on if your complaint boils down to you being upset because someone else didn't take a big enough risk on the behalf of those who didn't want to.

I enjoyed reading the entire post, but the above point really stood out to me.

Well reasoned as always! :d-indomitable:

[songwriterz]

You mean the part where they said they were exploring a extra print run for in-store play?

Reading. It's fundamental...

Ranting! It's fun and mental!

[Glympse]

I, along with 5 other of my friends, have put in pre-orders for 2 cases (4 bricks) at 3 different stores mulitiple times... and still haven't been able to get the product. These stores, including Comic Stop, have reported that they can't get any prodeuct themselves due to the clix being sold out, or the whole order just not being fulfilled or sent to them. This has happened for the last 3-4 sets. They pre-order months ahead of time. We make sure to get our orders in ahead of time. The stores have also tried to learn from this to better able themselves to get the next set for us. And still no luck. This many times, this many stores, is beyond coincidence... and NECA needs to step it up, and make more product. I don't see how they can justify not making more figures when us the consumers have been complaining about the lack of product for years.

[tonysking]

It'll be interesting to see how this continues to work as we roll into 2012 with the plan to produce smaller sets at a faster rate, trying to shift the emphasis more to the next set than dwelling on whichever one's just sold through. Aside from the public relations aspects and fielding any problem with shipping and fulfillment of standing orders, Wizkids is done with the main Captain America set. Those production levels were set and order monies collected a while ago.

I'd gotten accustomed to pre-ordering roughly 4 months ahead back as early as at least Critical Mass. For a stretch of years later on there wasn't a need for ordering so far in advance, but we've shifted back to that more recently... and it works for me. My orders for Cap were in back in early March, and I'm set through Superman so far.

The only reports that worry me are any about stores not able to get product - which is generally spotty info - and any word of stores not getting their full order... which also remains at least questionable when it comes up. It should all mainly be a matter of lead time, such that orders placed early enough are guaranteed. I don't envy retailers in that regard, though, considering it's in their best business interests to keep matters tight - putting money into new stock as close to possible to the time of resale. Most of them have to depend on Alliance/Diamond to gauge the demand and stock up appropriately, but they're concerned about being left with stale stock, too, so the purchasing guy at that level has incentives to not go overboard.

There's never going to be a perfect balance, and it should be understood that selling through the run of a set at the retail level is to be considered a successful business practice. I'm reasonably sure that the stores who sold out of GSX and DC 75th probably have fair amounts of Web of Spider-man, Brave and the Bold, and some much earlier sets gathering dust and tying up cash.

However, I understand that it all has to be frustrating for those who would prefer to buy into a new set a couple boosters at a time over the course of a month or so following a release. It may become necessary to make deals with one's local shop to commit to buying a set number of boosters of an upcoming set, even if they can't all be paid for at the same time. The financial heart of a retail operation is turnover. Cash into product, back into cash so some of the profits can pay the bills and the rest can go back into product, and so on. It can be a very rough grind -- a truly never-ending battle if successful. A retailer is taking risks with every new order he places. It's important for customers to remember that.

Taking a longer view and planning for a set that's about four months out may be what more customers will need to do. Maybe today's the day you should see what can be worked out with your favorite local retailer concerning September's Superman release. If you feel you need to know the details of the set before coming close to making any such arrangement then... good luck. You've chosen a hobby that may not be suitable for you, or at least one where you'll need to let others take the initial risk and you just buy what you want on the secondary market.

You really have no solid ground to stand on if your complaint boils down to you being upset because someone else didn't take a big enough risk on the behalf of those who didn't want to.
VERY well put. Rep given. I've been trying to get people to understand the retail side of things for awhile now, and most "get it". I found it also helps my customers if I let them PRE-ORDER, and at a discount, but I don't take their money till release day at my "CRACK-A-BRICK NITE" party. It does help me establish a more accurate count for my order, and I can usually adjust it somewhat, (I just bumped my order for CA today, yes you still can). I admit I have also been quite lucky as I've only had 1 pre-ordered case cancelled since HoT. Also pre-order of 1 brick or more grants you admission to our "crack-a-brick-nite" party. Many of my customers have already pre-ordered the Superman set, and I've already submitted my order. Now they have 4 months to save up for the release.

[tonysking]

I, along with 5 other of my friends, have put in pre-orders for 2 cases (4 bricks) at 3 different stores mulitiple times... and still haven't been able to get the product. These stores, including Comic Stop, have reported that they can't get any prodeuct themselves due to the clix being sold out, or the whole order just not being fulfilled or sent to them. This has happened for the last 3-4 sets. They pre-order months ahead of time. We make sure to get our orders in ahead of time. The stores have also tried to learn from this to better able themselves to get the next set for us. And still no luck. This many times, this many stores, is beyond coincidence... and NECA needs to step it up, and make more product. I don't see how they can justify not making more figures when us the consumers have been complaining about the lack of product for years.
I find this hard to believe. I, or my distributor sales reps., have yet to hear from ANY shop owner that was shorted IF they got their orders in BEFORE the FOC, (final order cut-off). for 75th I was told I would be allocated for 1 week, but it still came in on time. For GSX i was told I would be allocated, and the minor 10% that was arrived 2 days after the release date. AND I got 6 more cases I had ordered after the FOC within 2 weeks after the release.

[tonysking]

You mean the part where they said they were exploring a extra print run for in-store play?

Reading. It's fundamental...
DING DING DING, WE HAVE A WINNER!!!! Rep to you and Munchoboy

[rpweld03]

However, I understand that it all has to be frustrating for those who would prefer to buy into a new set a couple boosters at a time over the course of a month or so following a release.

You mean, like, new players?


It may become necessary to make deals with one's local shop to commit to buying a set number of boosters of an upcoming set, even if they can't all be paid for at the same time.

Promise to buy something before you've seen it? New players would be thrilled to do that.


Taking a longer view and planning for a set that's about four months out may be what more customers will need to do. Maybe today's the day you should see what can be worked out with your favorite local retailer concerning September's Superman release. If you feel you need to know the details of the set before coming close to making any such arrangement then... good luck. You've chosen a hobby that may not be suitable for you, or at least one where you'll need to let others take the initial risk and you just buy what you want on the secondary market.

So, if this is the case, why would any new player choose this hobby?

I'm not trying to be sarcastic here (well, maybe a little).

I am, however, genuinely curious.

If...
- the scalpers suck up half of the retail exclusive figures,
- the die-hard players with impulse control issues get the rest,
- all new booster sets sell through before release,
- the best / most recent boosters stores can stock is Web / BnB,
- the gravity feed boosters don't include rules,
- the fast forces packs don't include rules,
- all of the starters currently available have outdated rules,
- the next official starter (Street Fighter) isn't tournament legal,
- and it won't have the DC or Marvel team abilities on the PAC

...then how is a new player supposed to get excited enough to get into this game?

What's in it for them?

Why would they put effort into chasing after a new game? Buying singles off ebay? Relying on WK's pitiful web page for the rules? Begging veteran players for hand-me-downs? Honestly, does that sound like an exciting way to get into a game you saw and thought looked cool?

If you were a completely new player, would you get into heroclix these days?

Answer honestly now...

[morvak]

You mean, like, new players?




Promise to buy something before you've seen it? New players would be thrilled to do that.




So, if this is the case, why would any new player choose this hobby?

I'm not trying to be sarcastic here (well, maybe a little).

I am, however, genuinely curious.

If...
- the scalpers suck up half of the retail exclusive figures,
- the die-hard players with impulse control issues get the rest,
- all new booster sets sell through before release,
- the best / most recent boosters stores can stock is Web / BnB,
- the gravity feed boosters don't include rules,
- the fast forces packs don't include rules,
- all of the starters currently available have outdated rules,
- the next official starter (Street Fighter) isn't tournament legal,
- and it won't have the DC or Marvel team abilities on the PAC

...then how is a new player supposed to get excited enough to get into this game?

What's in it for them?

Why would they put effort into chasing after a new game? Buying singles off ebay? Relying on WK's pitiful web page for the rules? Begging veteran players for hand-me-downs? Honestly, does that sound like an exciting way to get into a game you saw and thought looked cool?

If you were a completely new player, would you get into heroclix these days?

Answer honestly now...

Rep to you.

This is my arguement behind the big box stores exclusives. I can understand people at the local shop that already collects comics taking a look at the game and picking a booster up without a map and all given that they can gain some info about the game from those in the shop.

But Target shoppers? Really? Like new players are going to be gained from a rule-less, mapless gravity feed or colossal? Its no wonder why the Classics or Armor packs are collecting dust at Toys R Us.

[rpweld03]

Rep to you.

This is my arguement behind the big box stores exclusives. I can understand people at the local shop that already collects comics taking a look at the game and picking a booster up without a map and all given that they can gain some info about the game from those in the shop.

But Target shoppers? Really? Like new players are going to be gained from a rule-less, mapless gravity feed or colossal? Its no wonder why the Classics or Armor packs are collecting dust at Toys R Us.

You know, I had at least five players come into my venue back when Batman Alpha was on the Target shelves with a small selection of figs and an urge to learn more. We folded them in, taught them the full rules, helped them decide between a FF or Legion starter (usually depending on their preference in comic companies) and get started.

The thing is, though, that they had bought something which had a map (even it was small), and a rules sheet (even if it was abbreviated) and dice (even if they were... really, really tiny). They had tried the game right off the bat, and came into the comic shop excited about it.

I think the Classics packs, being three (mostly) popular characters per pack, would have worked a heck of a lot better if they had included a double-sided Alpha rules sheet. I don't think they were a bad idea, they just needed one more thing to make them a great idea.

[Miraclo]

Things have become twisted around and lumped together.

You've (rpweld03) taken the core issue of the problems involved in the pre-selling-out of sets and decided to throw other issues, many of which are genuine -- and all of which are separate -- problems into the mix. The attempt is to try to make me out to be a blanket apologist for Wizkids' decisions. I'm not, and I can't allowing myself to be portrayed that way.

Even on the issue of new sets and established players/collectors, I'm not saying the situation with new sets is ideal. I was tracing the dynamics of it and saying that it's a delicate balance that will never be ideal for all involved. If one's an existing player the decision has to be made on how best to make Wizkids' business model fit with his individual temperament and finances. Pre-order 3-4 months ahead of time on slight info (something I became initially accustomed to back in '03), make an arrangement with one's venue (another sort of pre-sale, at least at the level of an agreement) or take your chances/buy off the secondary market.

You mean, like, new players?
No. This is where you turn it in a different direction, and then attempt to mis-apply what I wrote to a separate issue.

My comments were focused on the the concerns and complaints of people already in the game, looking to get into each new set. Again, that is all that I was addressing in my previous post.

I'm going to continue with the rest of it, though, because there are significant problems with Wizkids' current model and the issue of new players is definitely a concern.

Promise to buy something before you've seen it? New players would be thrilled to do that.
Again, this is a separate issue. However, as they are new players, those Web of Spider-man, Brave and the Bold, etc. boosters along with the Classics and GL Fast Forces packs are all equally new to them and readily available to them to get. Being able to get their hands on DC75th or GSX would not improve the completely separate issue of rules & PAC one bit.

So, if this is the case, why would any new player choose this hobby?

I'm not trying to be sarcastic here (well, maybe a little).

I am, however, genuinely curious.
As the agenda I was talking about isn't the one you're attempting to press on me, the temptation to save myself the effort and drop it at this point is there. Still, I'm going to address the remainder of this as points because there are several very important issues items here and I sincerely am interested in seeing us be on the same page in the end. We're not in opposition so much as you might want us to be for the sake of messageboard combat.

If...
- the scalpers suck up half of the retail exclusive figures,
- the die-hard players with impulse control issues get the rest,
I was no fan or supporter of the narrow retail exclusives in the first place. As conceived and initially executed it was disrespectful to both the fans and especially the gaming/comics retailers who depend on a much more narrow line of products than Target and aren't operating in the same universe (in terms of scale of operations) of Target or TRU.

On the plus side, at least based on what we've been told, Wizkids has seen how this is going and appears to be learning from it. We'll see if, how and when they follow through on any plans to re-release the GL Gravity Feed and (current) TRU colossals through more standard channels for this product. Based at least partially on this, I'm not going to be out at Target or TRU looking for any of these. and certainly won't be paying scalpers inflated prices for them. If they come available sanely, I'll go for some of them. If not, I'll get along fine without them.

- all new booster sets sell through before release,
- the best / most recent boosters stores can stock is Web / BnB,
Sticking to your focus of new players, I'll repeat what I said above: What is available is all new to them.
- the gravity feed boosters don't include rules,
- the fast forces packs don't include rules,
- all of the starters currently available have outdated rules,
All perfectly valid complaints and deficiencies of Wizkids' current operations, as I'll agree with further farther down this response.
- the next official starter (Street Fighter) isn't tournament legal, I've seen this mentioned often, but if any of it has been by Wizkids' representatives then I've missed that part. I have seen the voices of sanity remind people that NECA Wizkids has repeatedly left such details up to the individual venues. As you're fixated on new players, even if Wizkids would take a hard line on this, it isn't as if a player stepping into it today is going to be looking to compete seriously in one of the major tournaments Wizkids may be running at the two gaming conventions they're attending this summer. So, the practical problem of "tournament legal" reverts to the venue level, where presumably the local players would have the say.
- and it won't have the DC or Marvel team abilities on the PAC
This sort of thing has been a perennial problem for Wizkids, especially when they've made changes along the way, because even when they were doing the Marvel/DC annual alternation of starters it meant we went two years between getting new Marvel and DC PACs. This time around it's apparently being made worse by not doing either a Marvel or DC starter. We're in solid agreement that this is an issue. I don't know if it's a blind spot for them or if they're so used to being around free, high-quality color printing that they forget that not everyone can just print a new, color-true and useful PAC for themselves if they happen to be lucky enough to find it on their website.

Definitely, this remains a problem.
...then how is a new player supposed to get excited enough to get into this game?
Again, that is your question, not the one I was addressing.

What's in it for them? Why would they put effort into chasing after a new game?
Depends on whether they're comics fans (like me) who are drawn in solely by the characters, or gaming fans looking to compete at something. (The latter mindset's utterly alien to me, but this does seem to be the people they're spending money and attention on recruiting, hence them only appearing at gaming conventions.)

I got into the game, soon moving up to buying at the case + level, with almost no contact with or interest in venue play, but that's me.
Buying singles off ebay? Relying on WK's pitiful web page for the rules? Begging veteran players for hand-me-downs?
Many of the players I've seen at venue play, especially in the past several years, at least those who do buy in-depth, tend to be happy to give away extra commons, uncommons and even rares after a point, because the unbalanced rarity structure in each set makes the bulk of them nearly worthless in terms of secondary market value.

Honestly, does that sound like an exciting way to get into a game you saw and thought looked cool?
There's a potentially key thing: A game they saw. Much will depend upon where they come into contact with it. Wizkids is obviously -- and they told us at much during the first year of the start-up -- depending on the existing fans and operating venues to help new people into the game. That's what's led to some of the others in this thread stressing whether or not venues were running demo games.

If you were a completely new player, would you get into heroclix these days?

Answer honestly now...
Me? Well, it depends on how and where I came into contact with it.

Wizkids obviously needs to get on the ball as concerns a current starter, with rules and PAC. That's a huge flaw, and pushing that all off for a Street Fighter pack -- which is the closest thing to a starter -- is a lousy decision on their part. Street Fighter means next to nothing to me -- a game I remember playing a few times on a gaming system years ago -- and so far I've not even ordered the starter pack. The sculpts look nice, but my interest in the game is character-driven, the the SF characters mean nothing to me. If I get them it'll likely be some combination of my wanting the maps (which best guesses suggest will be small ones), potentially using them for mod purposes, and possibly because the characters may be of interest to some of the people who I play games with.

I'm guessing we agree that within a given year there should at least be a new DC or Marvel starter set with the latest rules and PAC. It should be produced in a more open-ended way or to a much larger level, so that it is expected to remain available to be in stock for most of a year. It's distressing that there's no sign of this so far.

As you can see, we agree that there are some major issues and problems with the current model, and I am glad we took the time to hit on them.

When it comes to new players, for good or ill, Wizkids is apparently continuing to count on established players to evangelize and shepherd interested potential players into the game. Whether, and to what extent, we each decide to do that is being left up to us.

The least Wizkids should do at this point? At a minimum, they should strongly consider adding at least 10 copies of the new Marvel PAC in the Captain America prize support pack, and do the same with a DC one when the Superman prize pack comes out in September. That would at least be a start.

Rep ultimately given for helping get us to lay out the problems in more detail. Hopefully, Wizkids reps are checking in and paying attention.

[tonysking]

You mean, like, new players?

If you were a completely new player, would you get into heroclix these days?

Answer honestly now...

Ok, well at my shop, (I realize this might not work for everyone or everywhere), I offer a $30 store credit for older boosters and singles, a free map, and automatic "new-guy/fellowship" for you first tournament. And my judges and most of my customers usually set them up with teams or figures they want/need. I have short form instructions and we help them learn as they play, We average 4-6 new players a month, and I have a SMALL shop.
I suggest approaching your local B&M shop and coming up with a plan that will work for them without gouging their players/customers.
I know this was off topic, but you asked.

[dreven]

You got something better we can talk about?



hmmmm.....



waiting......

Is that actually a good question to ask on teh interwebz? :cheeky:

[anonym0use]

Semi-related: I preordered my Superman, not because I expect a sell out, but because I like Superman.

[Wade Wilson]

Superman? I love Superman!

[rpweld03]

Things have become twisted around and lumped together.

You've (rpweld03) taken the core issue of the problems involved in the pre-selling-out of sets and decided to throw other issues, many of which are genuine -- and all of which are separate -- problems into the mix. The attempt is to try to make me out to be a blanket apologist for Wizkids' decisions. I'm not, and I can't allowing myself to be portrayed that way.

I wasn't trying to do that at all. I'm sorry you felt that way.

However, I feel you have read things into my post that weren't there.

There was no personal attack involved. I don't know you, I've never had any real history with you, and I had no intention of trying to make you out as "a blanket apologist for Wizkids' decisions." In fact, I never used those words, or anything like them.

You referred to us as being in "messageboard combat." No, thanks. I'll pass. I'm sorry my post offended you. I'll stop there.

[Hellboy]

What I don't understand is wizkids refusal to make more.

actually they already said that they would make more, to ensure that stores have product to sell for sealed events.

[Hellboy]

just an aside to all the "I ordered my case preorder you should have too" crowd.

Not all of us buy an entire case or even brick of every expansion. Some of us like to just play in some sealed events and pick up boosters here and there on some sets.

there should be enough product that hardcore fans can preorder, and stores still have boosters to sell, as per business as usual.

when was the last time a Magic the Gathering expansion launched and they ran out before release day? Has it ever happened? Wizkids might want to take a long hard look at demand and recalculate their print runs.

[GroovyBoy]

None are righteous. Not one. All fall short.

Okay, true. But I fall a lot shorter than FSD. And since he hasn't returned my text, it is my belief he got raptured, while this post proves I did not...

[Kite-Man]

SERPENT SOCIETY!!!!!

Hopefully they're wildcards so I can team em up with the old figs that have the SS team ability...

[dreven]

SERPENT SOCIETY!!!!!

Hopefully they're wildcards so I can team em up with the old figs that have the SS team ability...

Use the ATA. It's better (or the same thing) .

[EvilTwinSkippy]

...then how is a new player supposed to get excited enough to get into this game?

Probably the same way I did back in 2003 (when Xplosion came out) ...saw the cool figures and picked up on the buzz watching games at the comic shop, then bought dupes of common figures off existing players for $1-$2 apiece. My collection when from 0 to dozens practically overnight, with not all that much money spent.

As for the rules, they are downloadable off the internet. For free. Though admittedly, the players guide is a bit daunting these days.

As far as buying boosters, OMG my luck really sucked back in the day. I think I was close to a dozen boosters before I got my first unique.

[adam1der]

SERPENT SOCIETY!!!!!

Hopefully they're wildcards so I can team em up with the old figs that have the SS team ability...

COOOOOOOOOBRA!!!!!! Sssssssssoon, the Joes, er, I mean, Sgt. Fury and his pathetic S.H.I.E.L.D. forces shall fall and the world will be mine!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :devious:

[Roland7]

well what it says is

Because of the shortage of product, WizKids is investigating an additional small print run for Captain America to support in-store organized play. American retailers should contact their WizKids distributor for more information. International retailers should contact their local distributors for ordering information.

It's not a guarantee that a reprint will be made and if one is made available how wide or narrow the release will be.

[rooster47272]

NECA... I hate you...

[megamania]

yeah

I wonder how many sales were missed by being sold out already?

[tone123]

what is complete bull#### is the fact that i have pre-orderd the new green lantern FF GF packs, and the two closest venues, both an hour away, only recieved a very very very small amopunt of them. so i could not get any, i have been playing this game since it first came out, and me and the guys at the venue i judge are getting very tired of availability. just because you pre-order the #### does not mean that the WK will send the store all of what is pre orederd. i know ten plus guys that are seriously considering selling all there figs and giving up. i guess captain america will be the straw the broke all of our backs, sold out scares me because i know that WK did not make enough to fill ALL of the oprders. but i guess we will see in july...

[Bubblehead]

I'm no cheerleader.....


however,


I think all this doom and gloom.....not necessary. My store ordered 40 Cases of GSX. They got 8. They couldn't even put out single boosters because of everybody who wanted a case or brick got some.

They were told they couldn't anymore after that or it would be very scarce.

Fast forward to even a month and a half later- found an extra 18-20 cases (rounding up) through his distributor and other means. Granted, I live in a big city area around Los Angeles so it might be easier to pull off but the fact remains that as long as you're willing to forgo the first push/wave/offering that is sent to your store....you can get more. There will always be ways of getting more. Once again, patience. They made even more Cap than GSX than 75th than Web O Spidey.

You'll be able to find it. So relax.

Don't do it. When you want to sock it to it. :cool:

[Darknesspwns]

announcements like this are the reason one of my local B&M stores jacks up the price of the packs to $20 per. this hapened 2 weeks after Gsx Hit Shelves

i would probably have bought A Brick or 2 more if not for this price inflation..

[tone123]

thanks bubblehead, i KNOW you saved my life, i was considering suicide until i read your post. you ARE my hero!!!!!!!

[elfholme]

announcements like this are the reason one of my local B&M stores jacks up the price of the packs to $20 per. this hapened 2 weeks after Gsx Hit Shelves

i would probably have bought A Brick or 2 more if not for this price inflation..

Do people actually patronize this B&M store? I think I'd have to take my business elsewhere if one of the local stores did this. I always go to my FLGS first before hitting Ebay, but if they followed this sort of practice I'd know the loyalty didn't go both ways and wouldn't have an qualms about shopping online.

[elfholme]

what is complete bull#### is the fact that i have pre-orderd the new green lantern FF GF packs, and the two closest venues, both an hour away, only recieved a very very very small amopunt of them. so i could not get any, i have been playing this game since it first came out, and me and the guys at the venue i judge are getting very tired of availability. just because you pre-order the #### does not mean that the WK will send the store all of what is pre orederd. i know ten plus guys that are seriously considering selling all there figs and giving up. i guess captain america will be the straw the broke all of our backs, sold out scares me because i know that WK did not make enough to fill ALL of the oprders. but i guess we will see in july...

If you pre-ordered the GF packs from your venue, then (unless your venue is a Target), that's your venue's fault for taking the pre-order, as the GF packs are only available at Target. You'll have to wait a few months to get them at your venues.

I was told by my venue that the GL FF Packs would be allocated, but only insofar as he'd get his entire order, but it would be in "waves". I don't know if your local venues are in a similar situation, but that could be the issue with any FF Pack preorders you have.