Mind Control/Outwit combo

[Battletank900]

Is this legal:

Rooftop battle.

Darksied outwits Hulk's invulnerability then successfully mind controls him. Two powers used but outwit does not require a token.

Darkseid makes Hulk move off the roof falling head first to the ground below. Hulk takes 2 clicks from the fall and Darkseid takes a click for mind controlling a figure > 100 points.

I think this is a legal move. My opponent thinks you can't use mind control and outwit in the same move. What do you think?

[NateTG]

Using Outwit and Mind Control on the same turn is legal, but you can't make characters jump off of the roof.

[Tsannik]

Outwit is performed before or after an action is declared.

So, Outwitting then declaring a Mind Control action is legal.

As NateTG pointed out, you cannot voluntarily have any figure 'fall' off a building. Besides.... Hulk would have Leap/Climb, so he could change elevations normally.

[Battletank900]

OK Tsannik, let's say it isn't a character with leap/climb or flight. Why can't I make them walk off the roof and fall? If I mind control them, I control their actions period. If they have a speed range greater than the spaces on the roof, I'm sending them off the roof.

Per elevation rules, a fall from a roof takes 2 clicks. Are you suggesting that the mind controlled figure must stop at the edge of the roof?

[four_winds]

Because you cant go past the edge of a building without L/C or flight and if you have those then you cant take damage from the fall.

[Tsannik]

From the rulebook under Blocking terrain:
Walls and buildings represent blocking terrain, shown on the maps as thick black lines. Characters cannot move into or through blocking terrain.

The highlighted part is what disallows figures from voluntarily jumping off a building.

I do realize that a figure on the roof isn't moving 'through or into' but that is how it is interpreted. The only figures that can move 'through or into' are figure who Fly or have powers allowing them to ignore terrain for the purposes of movement.

[A_Higher_Level]

Which version of Hulk has Invulnerability without Battle Fury to allow himself to be Mind Controlled???

*excluding the Savage Hulk*

[Funky Jett]

The Experienced and Veteran Hulks from IC both have 1 click of Invunerability before they get Battle Fury. It's tough to hit that click on purpose. It must have just happened to be right there when he decided to MC Hulk.

[Battletank900]

So is the only way to fall off a roof by knockback? If so, this is still moving through blocking terrain. I don't see the difference between this and being mind controlled off. Both ways involve being moved off the roof involuntarily.

I may not like it but if this is how the rule is interpreted, I guess I'll have to live with it.

I appreciate all your replies.

[four_winds]

Both ways involve being moved off the roof involuntarily

Not true.Once you MC an opponents fig hes on your team so moving him off the edge of a building would be voluntary.Getting hit by an opposing fig for damage and getting knocked off a roof is involuntary,I know I've never asked for it to happen to me.