Not Golden, not Modern...not even Silver...

[Imbalance]

Officially, Wizkids espouses Modern and Golden Age formats for HeroClix tournaments. Most players have a preference of one over the other, with many adopting house ruled versions that blend favored elements under the common label of Silver Age. Finding that no matter how you slice it, SOMETHING is going to be restricted under any one of these formats, I humbly submit for community consideration and edified brainstorming, a thing I like to call the HYPER AGE.

The name is pretty obviously a derivative of DC comic's (abandoned) Hypertime theory that basically postulates that "it's all true" - every Clix ever printed, every cardboard element, every object, colossal, event dial, and map are all considered legal. Yep, even the promos. Some may see the appeal of such a format, others are already formulating gripes, and it's all good. The idea behind this is driven by the memory of homebrew games that went on while WK was shut down.

Rules are pretty much all over the place as is, anyway, so the official errata and clarifications might as well be ignored in Hyper Age games. The simplified HA approach to rules (which will help to offset the monumental complexity of the huge array of playable elements) is: "Play it as it reads." This applies to what's printed on the dial, character cards, feats, BFC's, etc., and any PAC being used, but general rules of play should probably adhere to the most current commercially available rulebook. What it says is what it is. Any interpretation conflicts are pretty quickly and easily resolved by a courtesy roll – the winning interpretation holds until the end of the current game (which is about how long the official rules last anymore anyway).

Personally, I favor the notion that my entire collection is valid, whether I choose to employ any certain tactic or not. I vehemently oppose being told that I can't use something in a game. That freedom has allowed me to collect at will, and to confidently assert that I have yet to play the exact same team twice since HeroClix began.

I agree that the existing formats are warranted, and I don't dare propose that they be abolished at all. But I see so many different opinions on what Silver Age should mean, or that Golden Age is inappropriately labeled, or that Modern is too restrictive, and almost everyone dislikes something and wants to ban it from their format - and all that's cool, really. And maybe, just maybe, I'm the only one who thinks that an all-inclusive format is even remotely a good idea. I can live with that, too.

But please, if so inclined, post a 'yea' or 'nay' in light of the proposal. Whaddya think?

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To further expand on the "Play it as it reads" approach and "it's all true" philosophy, other game lines may be able to be integrated with minor tweaks (in fact, I've seen it done). After all, with Street Fighter, Lord of the Rings, and Star Trek on the horizon, there's no reason Hyper Age can't encompass Creepy Freaks, ActionClix, Mage Knight, etc. Well, Zypods might be a challenge, but Race Day could be cool on a Tsuro board, eh?:squareeye

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tl;dr: Vorgoth + Giant's Wrath = borken:confused:

[Norym]

tl;dr

No thanks,

[xlii]

So, it's golden age but you're ignoring the errata? Awesome. White Lantern Wonder Woman is only a little dead on her last click.

[UltraSuperGuy]

"Play it as it reads"?????

Sounds like a game where someone ends up getting punched.

[UltraSuperGuy]

The King of Hyper Age?

Big Figure.

[chrisdosmil]

I would like this idea if I didn't dislike it entirely.

[PsychoHippie]

Go hang out of "Rules Of Combat" for a while and see just how much of a headache "Play It As It Reads" can be.

[rorschachparadox]

I would like this idea if I didn't dislike it entirely.

Why must you keep saying things that I find funny and feel the need to rep? I just can't do it anymore!

[rorschachparadox]

[QUOTE=xlii;5611760]So, it's golden age but you're ignoring the errata?/QUOTE]

Thats how it looked to me. :confused: Ironically banning the errata is in fact adding a limitation that the OP frowns upon....whereas what he seems to want is as simple as "Golden Age plus promos." Right?

[Imbalance]

Go hang out of "Rules Of Combat" for a while and see just how much of a headache "Play It As It Reads" can be.

Kinda where I got some inspiration, actually. The rules have always generated threads upon threads of squabbling, always will. The goal is to move on with the game at hand. So, when one person reads the card and says it does this, but the opponent says it does something more like this because judge Moe ruled it that way, the game pauses just long enough for each player to roll a d6. Maybe judge Moe was right, but until the end of this game, his interpretation doesn't fly.

[Imbalance]

So, it's golden age but you're ignoring the errata? Awesome. White Lantern Wonder Woman is only a little dead on her last click.

Awesome, indeed.

I want you to think about the number of times you've actually seen this example played. Now, think about how often in those instances you've even witnessed that click come up. Knowing that there is an errata and having to stop the game to pour over it are two different things.

Under Hyper Age, WLWW player applies damage, sees the weird KO click, and says, "hey, I'm pretty sure this is wrong." Oponent says, "let's roll." If he wins, he takes a minute to look up the errata, and play those stats. Totally cool. If his opponent wins, WLWW is dead, and the game moves on.

OR, and this might sound pretty crazy, choose NOT to ignore errata and clarifications. The suggestion was meant to avoid bogging the game down with restrictions. Fairness is not a restriction.

Keep 'em coming.

[Renard]

no thanks, good riddance to feats and bfcs. sps and traits are an infinitely better replacement.

[Imbalance]

[QUOTE=xlii;5611760]So, it's golden age but you're ignoring the errata?/QUOTE]

Thats how it looked to me. :confused: Ironically banning the errata is in fact adding a limitation that the OP frowns upon....whereas what he seems to want is as simple as "Golden Age plus promos." Right?

Not ourtright banning it, but not having it be the first thing you look to at the start of a game. Sure, there are weird things that come up, and most of us are at least familiar with figures that have the wrong printed Team Ability or the afore mentioned Wonder Woman as examples of things that will certainly need to be addressed.

The point, and perhaps I over simplified, was there is room for a format that plays fast and loose, doesn't need to be competitive, and isn't mired in documentation. Use the dice to remove the fogginess, and play it out that way. Next game, maybe the text of a given BFC goes another way.

[rorschachparadox]

no thanks, good riddance to feats and bfcs. sps and traits are an infinitely better replacement.

Only for those who have them :(

[QUOTE=rorschachparadox;5611800]

Not ourtright banning it, but not having it be the first thing you look to at the start of a game. Sure, there are weird things that come up, and most of us are at least familiar with figures that have the wrong printed Team Ability or the afore mentioned Wonder Woman as examples of things that will certainly need to be addressed.

The point, and perhaps I over simplified, was there is room for a format that plays fast and loose, doesn't need to be competitive, and isn't mired in documentation. Use the dice to remove the fogginess, and play it out that way. Next game, maybe the text of a given BFC goes another way.

So its better the play with a different interpretation of the rules every single game? You're allowing someone with no comprehension of the rules or grammar to have equal weight as a judge? This is supposed to be a solution to rules changes every year and errata every six months? I'm sorry, I don't mean to come off so harsh, but I not only don't see how the is helpful or neccesary, but I feel this is actively counterproductive. I do like the name of the age though, maybe your name should replace "golden age..."

[xlii]

Me: "So I'll hypersonic speed to here, shoot you with ranged combat expert and hypersonic back behind the wall."
You: "But RCE doesn't work with hypersonic!"
Me: "Let's roll for it."

This is why rolling dice to settle rules disputes doesn't work.

[brevard321]

Hey now, if we could have a format where we could play Purple dialed pieces, I'd be all over it!

We want Purple! We want Purple! We wan....

Well, you get it.

[rorschachparadox]

Hey now, if we could have a format where we could play Purple dialed pieces, I'd be all over it!

We want Purple! We want Purple! We wan....

Well, you get it.

Out of curiousity, is there some logic to banning Purples? Aren't they identical to the non-Purples?

And it would be much simplier to just allow Purples under the umbrella of Golden Age the. create a new even-more-confusing format.

[vesshusban]

I thought you could use anything in golded age if I'm wrong I'm sorry

[SLVRSR4]

I would play this format with an army of Pete Wisdom figures. Beware the power of Orange!

[brevard321]

Out of curiousity, is there some logic to banning Purples? Aren't they identical to the non-Purples?

And it would be much simplier to just allow Purples under the umbrella of Golden Age the. create a new even-more-confusing format.

All of them except like 3 are the EXACT same.

So I don't know what the logic ever was to ban them from tournaments.

I can see banning the Hypertime promo Batman because of the split color that makes it look like Enhancement.

The Icons promo purple Batman is exactly the same as the Exp Icons one, but with a black costume.

The only really different ones were the Origin FCBD Batman and the 2 FCBD Wolverines. But the Batman and Wolverine have really good dials, fun to play, and they're not "broken" by any means.

Old Wizkids didn't allow Purples, and for some reason, I guess new Wizkids feels the same. Even if it doesn't make much sense.

[Sate]

no thanks, good riddance to feats and bfcs. sps and traits are an infinitely better replacement.
That is correct.

But that does nothing for the tons of heroclix I purchased with real money that I want to use. Many of which will never, ever be remade for the new game so I have to keep playing the old game. This idea is good because it lets everyone play with their favorite game pieces. The only thing that makes it a bad idea -- and I believe it is a bad idea -- is that it lets everyone's opponen't play their least favorite game pieces and it more-or-less murders consistency in rules. Not unlike Calvinball. (Which I am winning, by the way, because you, the reader, are in the designated "Sate-is-winning Zone").
Ex. "I can take an action after being carried, it's in the rulebbook"
"Roll a dice on it to see whether you are correct!"

I support this idea in small doses only. I would be willing to play no more than 1 bi-monthly game of what shall now be reffered to as "Calvin Age".

[morvak]

Maybe the OP needs a new venue?

Nothing wrong with keeping up on the errata and rules. Besides at my local venue we play Modern, Golden, with/without feats, and even specific golden age sets ( i.e. Build only a team using Infinity or Hypertme).

Every week/month our events are always different and fun. Half of us always forget a rule or whatever, but mostly its forgetting to role for leadersip.

We play for fun. And as far as rules and errata, we got it printed out so if there is a question... No big deal.

[Mister mind]

I miss sealed with a bfc being used in every round, or what feat was in your pack...event dials were nothing but trade fodder...but the fact that new kids get lost reading whitepowers it terrible enough...

battlefields work, feats work, theme teams of people who all happen to hove been martial artists but never worked together shouldn't get a bonus....sorry I'm all for the bring the comic that they worked together and you can play it....so without the quirky name of unlimited play I'm all for playing every clix you have the way you want....

PRINT AND PLAY S U CKS if you didn't have the feat card you didn't use it...sorry only 1 protected suck it up...Icwo....if you don't know oracle you don't get to use her...ie...any marvel clix or indyclix unless you show me they worked together in a comic....

[masterprotoss23]

no thanks, good riddance to feats and bfcs. sps and traits are an infinitely better replacement.

I completely disagree. Feats and BFCs add something to the game Traits and SPs just don't add. Yes some figures have the exact wording that some feats do, but at the same time some figures totally deserve certain feats.

Honestly I'd never play figures like Mr. Fantastic, or The Atom without Brilliant Tactician. Why not? Because they just aren't worth the points without that little something extra. Yea it costs 20 points, but in my mind it makes unplayable figures super playable.

I don't like the idea of no-cardboard for another reason. If i build a team and it is uneven, then that's it. It's uneven. That irritates me to no end. Feats add those extra points even if the figures don't need them.

The 10% limit was all that the game needed to make feats balanced. They shold bring feats back, ESPECIALLY with print in play in effect. No one gets to complain, because everyone has access to the same feat pool.

[_/\seis.MIC/\_]

I'll rep the fact that the OP went through the trouble to formulate a lengthy post that is (mostly) well thought out, and even better, seemingly devoid of grammatical mistakes and misspellings. However...

For myself, I prefer Golden Age games; I want the option to use any and all figures I have in my collection. While a large majority of Modern Age figures are better in play, there are dozens of long-lost gems that still rock to this day. Feats & BFC's aren't things I really use, personally, but again...I like the option to be able to should I choose to do so.

The errata's, though...there are many, many reasons why they're in place. They are needed and I think doing away with them will cause a LOT more problems/arguments that I can do without.

[foilboll]

why does anyone waste time with silly posts like this?

KITCHEN TABLE AGE!

ILLITERATE AGE!

PLAYING SOLO AGE!