FILM ACCURATE: X-Men First Class

[tidge]

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FILM ACCURATE
X-Men: First Class

You've seen the positive reviews (85%+). You've seen the opening weekend receipts ($56M+). Maybe you've even seen the film. Now let's see what 600 points of HeroClix figures can buy the player that wants to make the world safe for a certain well-loved film franchise!

Click on the FULL STORY (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=319987) link to see one player's suggested force.

[tidge]

<img src=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/80851/HCRealms.com/201105/first-class.jpg class="imageleft" style="height:200px;"/> 600 points may seem a little high for a "first class" group of characters, but if you've seen the film you know that they are more than up to the task of facing off both the Hellfire Club and naval forces from two opposing national super-powers.

189 (Giant-Size X-men) Magneto
125 LE (Mutations and Monsters) Charles Xavier
95 (Giant-Size X-men) Beast
90 Veteran (Armor Wars) Banshee
52 Unique (Armor Wars) Mystique
44 Veteran (Mutant Mayhem) Havok
= 595 points

I've gotten great mileage out of the assorted Magneto dials over the years, but in 2011 is there any question which version of the Master of Magnetism to field? The trailers show him lifting a nuclear submarine out of the ocean, and the film has him demonstrating even more wondrous tricks, so quite frankly the 189-point Giant-Size X-Men super rare is the centerpiece of this force. Don't forget the very nice ability to carry up to four non-fliers.

V Magneto Points: 189 Range: 10 :bolt::bolt:
Team: Brotherhood of Mutants
Keywords: Acolytes, Brotherhood of Mutants, Hellfire Club, Ruler
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:a-fist: Magnetic Mastery: Give Magneto a power action. Magneto can use Telekinesis twice as a free action. If Magneto uses Telekinesis option 3 increase the damage dealt by 2.

:d-normal: Magnetic Shield: Magneto can use Toughness. Characters halve their range values when Magneto is one of the targets of their attack.

:star: Magnetic Field: Magneto can use Energy Shield/Deflection. When Magneto uses the Carry ability, he can carry up to 4 characters. Modify Magneto's combat values by +1 if he's occupying a square that contains a debris marker.

Player's that crave using a Magneto with the X-Men team ability should feel free to use the Experienced 89-point version from Infinity Challenge, but unless you are really on a points budget, I cannot recommend it in higher point games. If the plan is to use the GSX Professor X :star: In Contact With Cerebro power, each of the Ultimate Magneto dials also share a keyword (X-Men) with that Professor X.

My choice of Professor X may be surprising, as I have selected the LE version from Mutations and Monsters. This is the most "mobile" version of Charles Xavier in HeroClix (not counting the brood-infested LE figure) with a dial that looks like Charles when he was able to walk...pay no attention to the sculpt! This is a dial that looks like Professor X as a field operative.

LE Charles Xavier Points: 125 Range: 10 :bolt:
Team: X-Men
Keywords: Mutant, Psychic, X-Men
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:a-fist: Telepath: Charles Xavier can use Psychic Blast and Incapacitate.

:d-normal: Psychic Redirection: Charles Xavier can use Shape Change.

:g-starburst: Psychic Coordination: Charles Xavier can use Leadership and Perplex, but he can't use Perplex to modify his own combat values.

Both the Giant-Size X-Men (123 points) and the Mutations and Monsters (131 points) are "better" HeroClix figures than the LE, but my experience has been that neither one will play like a fully-suited Charles Xavier. With care taken to choose other characters with appropriate keywords, each of the two alternate choices will allow some min-max potential, but I'm sticking with the "rolling shot" field leader.

There are two characters on the team that I feel offer pretty good alternatives at a variety of sufficiently different point values; this is quite useful for force building. The first is Beast and the second is Mystique. In my force I could opt for a high point Mystique (from GSX) or a high-point Beast (also from GSX). I choose the GSX Beast, because it offers the best offense with enough "smarty-pants" support powers to satisfy the science nerds in the audience.

V Beast Points: 95 Range: 0 :bolt:
Team: X-Men and Avengers
Keywords: Avengers, Scientist, S.W.O.R.D., X-Club, X-Factor, X-Men
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:star: Leaps and Bounds: Beast can use Leap/Climb and Super Senses.

As I wrote above, there are plenty of respectable Beast dials that can offer some utility, but the GSX version will be able to do some heavy-lifting while opposing forces are worried about Magneto.

Since I mentioned Mystique above, I may as well discuss her now. The Giant-Size X-Men dial is very good, and if the points were available I would have chosen it. I just don't think that the GSX Mystique and a non-GSX Beast equal the potential of the GSX Beast and the Armor Wars Mystique. The AW Unique Mystique represents the character from the House of M reality, but the powers are pure Mystique. The S.H.I.E.L.D. team ability is sure to get some use as she will very likely be carried by Magneto and find herself adjacent to at least one other figure that will make ranged attacks.

U Mystique Points: 52 Range: 6 :bolt:
Team: S.H.I.E.L.D.
Keywords: Mutant, S.H.I.E.L.D., Spy
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Players that crave a little more accuracy to the film could choose a more supportive Mystique from the Xplosion HeroClix release, but I prefer what the Unique brings to the force.

Our selections for Banshee are limited to the Armor Wars REV set at 48, 77, and 90 points. For a modern 2011 game, the only choice in my opinion is the Veteran, because of the top-dial attack and damage values, plus the Penetrating/Psychic Blast. It may be possible to get some utility out of the Experienced version if you are using a different Professor X (because of keywords), but the extra 13 points spent on the Veteran are well worth it.

V Banshee Points: 90 Range: 8 :bolt::bolt:
Team: X-Men
Keywords: Generation X, Mutant, X-Men
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Havok has only been made in the Mutant Mayhem HeroClix set, in REV and LE versions. The Experienced is off the table (as a flier from a very specific era), so that leaves 31, 35 and 44 point versions to choose from. The rookie doesn't have the raw stats to be much of a threat in a 2011 600-point force, and since the extra 9-point difference bewteen the LE and veteran did not impact my other figure choices, I went with the vet, despite the odd click of starting Leadership.

V Havok
Team: X-Men
Range: 8 :bolt:
Points: 44
Keywords: X-Factor, Starjammers, X-Men
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<img src=http://www.hcrealms.com/units/ffB001.jpg class="imageleft" style="height:250px;"/> In my build, I have exactly 5-points left over, so why not add the Moira McTaggart Bystander token from the Fantastic Forces release? The BST won't be bringing much to the team, but it does offer the possibility that all the figures with Leadership stand a chance of removing a token from her.

Because of the ability for Magneto to carry all of the non-fliers at once, it may be worthwhile to consider investing the 5-points in Gem of Cyttorak instead of a BST, just in case someone on the team has a free turn to try to pick up an object. Alternatively it may be worth investing in a Yellow Lantern object instead, since several figures will be able to take advantage of the attack boost (those with Psychic Blast and/or Exploit Weakness) if they are within 4 squares of it.

So now that you have seen the latest installment in the X-Franchise, what teams are you craving to play that represent this film?

[adam1der]

Great article! Very nice. Just one thing, WHERE'S DARWIN?! He was in the movie. A definite hero and can evolve to adapt to anything! No representation for him? WTH, man? Seriously, I saw the film and besides the Darwin part and in the beginning with young Magneto I thought it was the best out of all 5 films minus those TWO major disappointing scenes. :ermm: I would side more with using the yellow lantern for the team, but the bst would be more team accurate. Again, nice job!

[Dr. Morbius]

nice :) although I wouldn't quite say we saw a veteran Magneto in that movie ;)

[Carbon Rod]

Great article! Very nice. Just one thing, WHERE'S DARWIN?! He was in the movie. A definite hero and can evolve to adapt to anything! No representation for him? WTH, man? Seriously, I saw the film and besides the Darwin part and in the beginning with young Magneto I thought it was the best out of all 5 films minus those TWO major disappointing scenes. :ermm: I would side more with using the yellow lantern for the team, but the bst would be more team accurate. Again, nice job!

Darwin's not on Tidge's team because:
Obviously there's no clix of him. But because Tidge's team is based on the ending team who actually become X-Men. Darwin, while recruited, bites the big one before he's offically an X-Man and they begin training. Therefore, he's not part of the first class.

The movie was fantastic, especially if you treat it like the "reboot" it is (Fox isn't calling it that, but they're blatantly ignoring the past and continuity of the first 3 movies plus Wolverine: Origins so I'm calling a spade a spade).

The movie has actually made me want to run a Hellfire Club team, dusting off the old Sebastion Shaw piece. Anyone else make a "Footloose" joke in the movie when Shaw stomped down and caused the energy explosion in the CIA facility? Nope? Just me? Okay ...

[WakandaMan]

I'm curious Carbon- in what ways did First Class break continuity with the other X-men films? Sure, it messed a lot with comic continuity, but all the X-films did that. But it seemed quite consistent with the other X-films to me.

And we need a Darwin-clix darn it! I was hoping he'd be in GSX....along with all the other Unmade X-factorites (Layla Miller, Monet St. Croix, etc)

[clameire]

I'm curious Carbon- in what ways did First Class break continuity with the other X-men films? Sure, it messed a lot with comic continuity, but all the X-films did that. But it seemed quite consistent with the other X-films to me.

I'm strongly agreeing with you on the fact that the movies are consistent with each others, and i even think marvel came up with some comics and a number for this "alternate" universe... (i don't remember which number)

Except a tiny hank mc coy cameo in one the first movies (he appears on tv and is not blue) i don't see anything that breaks continuity either. I was really glad they took care of the continuity that much in fact.

[TopDog]

I'm curious Carbon- in what ways did First Class break continuity with the other X-men films? Sure, it messed a lot with comic continuity, but all the X-films did that. But it seemed quite consistent with the other X-films to me.


If you take Wolverine Origins out of the picture, it fits better.
Charles paralized at the end here, but he was walking at the end of Wolverine.
Emma Frost was a teenager in Wolverine, but she's a woman in the 60's.
Beast was human in X2, but turns furry here.
Beast built cerebro, for the CIA. In X1, Charles said he and Magneto built it.
Moira McTaggart is basically the same age, 40 years in the future.


I'm sure there's more, but that's just what I noticed. I'm not saying I care, this was a much better film than any of the others. It's just stuff I noticed.

[T. Paul Stiles]

Great article! Very good. Can't wait for more :)

[UncannyAvenger]

Well, let's take the issue of Emma Frost... she's a fully-grown sexbomb in this film, whereas she was a high school student in the Wolverine film.

There were also the issues of Charles and Magneto finding mutants together, but not making a visit to Jean Grey's house. Xavier was older and still walking, and he and Magneto apparently hadn't had their big break...

Xavier also told Wolverine in the first film that Magneto helped him build Cerebro, which is why Magneto knew how Cerebro worked and how to construct his helmet. Now we're told that Beast designed Cerebro and the Soviets designed the telepathy-proof helmet...

Beast was talking with a "Mr. Shaw" in the background of (I think) X2...

Moira MacTaggart being an American CIA agent as opposed to a Scottish scientist in X3 raises more questions as well...

Storm's (possible) cameo had her as teenager in the early 1960's...

The placing Styker's father could raise some questions of timing for the Wolverine and X2 films as well...

Now all this says to me (as with many examples in the comics) is that there are plenty of opportunities to resolve the plot dangling plot points in the possible sequels that are to come. I know my mind has been going crazy with the possibilities that could come from that kind of development of interquels in the franchise. One reason I enjoyed this film was because of the recurring motifs and themes calling attention back to the first films.

Think about it: it would make sense that Banshee is a member of the first class of X-Men if Siryn's cameo in X2 places her as a student in the same school; the design of Shaw's nuclear reactor looks a lot like Magneto's machine in the first film; incorporating the Stryker family into story adds some sense of continuity as well; Beast's apparent maturation from an insecure teenager to a well-spoken political advocate for mutant rights with ties to the team.

As with the better stories over the years in the comics, retroactive explanations done well can certainly affirm and enhance the existing stories.

[xlii]

So toward the end of the movie, in the big battle, there's a bit where Banshee carries Havok away from the action. I turned to DeBurgo and said "So now, Havok can't take an action until your next turn."

[Uberman]

Charles paralized at the end here, but he was walking at the end of Wolverine.
Psychic projection?

Emma Frost was a teenager in Wolverine, but she's a woman in the 60's.

Different chick.

Beast was human in X2, but turns furry here.

Image inducer.

Beast built cerebro, for the CIA. In X1, Charles said he and Magneto built it.

They, uh... helped?

Moira McTaggart is basically the same age, 40 years in the future.

Zuh? I remember nothing from X3, so maybe you shouldn't either.

Retconning is fun.

[Rurouni KJS]

The movie was fantastic, especially if you treat it like the "reboot" it is (Fox isn't calling it that, but they're blatantly ignoring the past and continuity of the first 3 movies plus Wolverine: Origins so I'm calling a spade a spade).If it were really a reboot, we'd have Cyclops instead of Havok, Warren Angel instead of stripper Angel, and Iceman, and Jean.


If you take Wolverine Origins out of the picture, it fits better.
Charles paralized at the end here, but he was walking at the end of Wolverine.
Emma Frost was a teenager in Wolverine, but she's a woman in the 60's.
Beast was human in X2, but turns furry here.
Beast built cerebro, for the CIA. In X1, Charles said he and Magneto built it.
Moira McTaggart is basically the same age, 40 years in the future.
To answer all your continuity issues (if you really want them addressed):

He's gotten better a time or two.
Was she ever named in that film? More an easter egg than anything.
That was totally an easter egg. He's also gotten better a time or two.
The X-Mansion's got a different design. Presumably the two could reconcile at a point in the future.
Uh...some women age really well? ...I got nothin'. :p


The best thing is to just treat Wolvie Origins as a tampered memory implant. :)

[JAKECOBB10]

If you take Wolverine Origins out of the picture, it fits better.
Charles paralized at the end here, but he was walking at the end of Wolverine.
Emma Frost was a teenager in Wolverine, but she's a woman in the 60's.
Beast was human in X2, but turns furry here.
Beast built cerebro, for the CIA. In X1, Charles said he and Magneto built it.
Moira McTaggart is basically the same age, 40 years in the future.


I'm sure there's more, but that's just what I noticed. I'm not saying I care, this was a much better film than any of the others. It's just stuff I noticed.

I beg to differ.. beast was not in X2, he was in x3 and was blue and furry.
charles's appearance at the end of wolverine is standing (but IIRC, he regained his usages of his legs in the comics before, so this is possible)

imo, the biggest inconsistency is Havok himself.. Alex Summers is meant to be Scott Summers younger brother. alex appears to be almost 20 years older than his brother. hmm.

[cdunn100]

I don't know, if you see Scott in the film, he looks to be about 7-10 years old when you see the brief image of him in Cerebro, so Havok could be an older brother of Cyclops, as Havok looks like he was 16-18 years old in the film.

[hobojoe258]

That movie sucked, just like the other X-travesties.

[GrimlockX]

I beg to differ.. beast was not in X2, he was in x3 and was blue and furry.
charles's appearance at the end of wolverine is standing (but IIRC, he regained his usages of his legs in the comics before, so this is possible)

imo, the biggest inconsistency is Havok himself.. Alex Summers is meant to be Scott Summers younger brother. alex appears to be almost 20 years older than his brother. hmm.

He wasn't in X2. He was in X1 having an interview on a talk show and he was still in his human form. First Class is definitely a reboot, and a much needed one at that.

[GrimlockX]

That movie sucked, just like the other X-travesties.

...........:rolleyes:

[neilr1]

I'm curious Carbon- in what ways did First Class break continuity with the other X-men films? Sure, it messed a lot with comic continuity, but all the X-films did that. But it seemed quite consistent with the other X-films to me.

And we need a Darwin-clix darn it! I was hoping he'd be in GSX....along with all the other Unmade X-factorites (Layla Miller, Monet St. Croix, etc)

The other big one is the presence and age of Alex Summers - isn't he Scott's twin/ similar age brother? That somewhat breaks continuity.

[TODDRUSSELL]

I guess if all my figures were pieces of crap then they could all be 1st class .

[Carbon Rod]

If it were really a reboot, we'd have Cyclops instead of Havok, Warren Angel instead of stripper Angel, and Iceman, and Jean Grey.

I would have loved to have seen them in there, but you can't hold the X-Movies to comic continuity. You can't hold ANY comic movies to comic contunity. Comic movies have to be adapted for a much wider audience then the fanboys/girls.

The problem is that Fox wanted "other mutants" we hadn't really seen since this isn't a "reboot". So we can't have the original comic X-Men or Hellfire Club because this is set in the 60's and most of them wouldn't be alive yet if we're following the timeline of the other X-Movies. But the finished product screams "reboot" with all the continuity issues and changes so I assume Fox said "Whatever, It's a good movie, contunuity be damned! We'll just quietly reboot the franchise without the reboot tag so that people don't get upset or angry".

All that being said, I was very pleased with the movie and look forward to the next X-Film since we've proven that they can be done well (I had lost hope after X3 ... ).

And yes, I did sing "Footloose" to myself anytime Kevin Bacon was on the screen. Great villain. GREAT DANCER.

[GrimlockX]

And yes, I did sing "Footloose" to myself anytime Kevin Bacon was on the screen. Great villain. GREAT DANCER. GREAT HUMAN BEING

Fixed.
filler

[clameire]

Well, let's take the issue of Emma Frost... she's a fully-grown sexbomb in this film, whereas she was a high school student in the Wolverine film.

There is a blonde girl transforming into cristal in wolverine but she is never called Emma as i recall, she is just said to be wolvie's girlfriend sister.

There were also the issues of Charles and Magneto finding mutants together, but not making a visit to Jean Grey's house.

It happens a lot later...

Xavier was older and still walking, and he and Magneto apparently hadn't had their big break...

Yes, and they were different actors too.
But it still could have happen and not been on screen

Xavier also told Wolverine in the first film that Magneto helped him build Cerebro, which is why Magneto knew how Cerebro worked and how to construct his helmet. Now we're told that Beast designed Cerebro and the Soviets designed the telepathy-proof helmet...

In the comics, Xavier & Magneto are friends, then ennemies again, then friends again... he could have helped him built it later
Or he could have help him move it from the SHIELD to his house (that's building too)

Beast was talking with a "Mr. Shaw" in the background of (I think) X2...

yes that's the inconsistency i noted (the only one i noted at first)
ignoring the cameo seems logical to me, and concentrating on the main plot

Moira MacTaggart being an American CIA agent as opposed to a Scottish scientist in X3 raises more questions as well...

With her memory erased, she could have been fired from the CIA and start a new life somewhere else. We don't know if she is a scientist for sure in x3, and i think we don't know in first class what were her studies before being in CIA

Storm's (possible) cameo had her as teenager in the early 1960's...

he could be storm mother

Havok could be Scott father

Sean sur is Syrin father too

I was surprised how well they made it feel and consistent all together.

Perhaps they missed some details, but most of all, they "filled in the blanks" and made it believable. Especially to those who aren't (contrary to us) misleaded by what we already know about the originals (or ultimates) comics

As with the better stories over the years in the comics, retroactive explanations done well can certainly affirm and enhance the existing stories.

Yes, i do agree

[GrimlockX]

I do believe the Silver Fox character calls Emma by name once or twice in the movie. That and Moira is too young in X3 to be the same character in FC.

[AndyHatton]

The other big one is the presence and age of Alex Summers - isn't he Scott's twin/ similar age brother? That somewhat breaks continuity.

It breaks comic continuity, but that isn't the same as the Marvel X-movie universe. We don't know Alex's relationship to Scott in the movies.

And he isn't Scott's twin, he is Scott's younger brother in 616.

[DrugSex]

I don't like the X-Mens that much but i do like your article!

[UncannyAvenger]

I beg to differ.. beast was not in X2, he was in x3 and was blue and furry.
charles's appearance at the end of wolverine is standing (but IIRC, he regained his usages of his legs in the comics before, so this is possible)

imo, the biggest inconsistency is Havok himself.. Alex Summers is meant to be Scott Summers younger brother. alex appears to be almost 20 years older than his brother. hmm.

Wrong about Hank's first appearance. He was on a tv in s bar in human form debating with someone named "Mr. Shaw". Don't remember if it was the first or second film, but it was in there. The actor that played him was the same guy that did his voice in the 90s cartoon.

As for Xavier walking again when they visit Jean, I've got a feeling that they could tie that into a possible "truce" period that could happen after the events of this film but before the prelude of X3. Maybe Magneto could have "repair" Chuck's damage (like Xorn did in the comics) and then redamaged him later. If handled correctly, this could pan out in a credible way.

As far as Havok goes, that could be setting up for a a different relationship with Cyke a la Ultimate continuity where he is the older bro. He could turn out to be Cyke's father for the sake of the movie universe.

[Project: J-ko]

This looks like it'd be a fun team to play. If I tried it out I'd bring a Wolverine fig along just to sit on the sidelines and tell my team to GFY. :laugh::laugh:

[specled jim]

I would play GSX Xavier on this team (If its based on the final battle)
Mostly because he did'nt do all that much moving during combat. He just stayed in the blackbird (or starting area) and used his powers to help Erik take on Shaw.
As far as I can see the way GSX Xavier is played is pretty much the way he faught in the movie.
Just my take on things :)

[XXX]

The film is the better.
I prefer:
Magneto 189
Professor X 123
Beast 95
Mystique 86
Banshee Vet 90
Havok Vet 44
Darwin (Gideon) 85
Angel (archangel) 86
798 points

[Pepsirox08]

Team I made

Magneto 144
Professor X 131
Beast 95
Banshee 90
Mystique 86
Havok 44
-Gem 5
-Blue Lantern 5
Total 600

[UncannyAvenger]

There is a blonde girl transforming into cristal in wolverine but she is never called Emma as i recall, she is just said to be wolvie's girlfriend sister.



It happens a lot later...



Yes, and they were different actors too.
But it still could have happen and not been on screen



In the comics, Xavier & Magneto are friends, then ennemies again, then friends again... he could have helped him built it later
Or he could have help him move it from the SHIELD to his house (that's building too)



yes that's the inconsistency i noted (the only one i noted at first)
ignoring the cameo seems logical to me, and concentrating on the main plot



With her memory erased, she could have been fired from the CIA and start a new life somewhere else. We don't know if she is a scientist for sure in x3, and i think we don't know in first class what were her studies before being in CIA



he could be storm mother

Havok could be Scott father

Sean sur is Syrin father too

I was surprised how well they made it feel and consistent all together.

Perhaps they missed some details, but most of all, they "filled in the blanks" and made it believable. Especially to those who aren't (contrary to us) misleaded by what we already know about the originals (or ultimates) comics



Yes, i do agree

You don't need to explain x-history and multiple continuities to me; I was the kid explaining the truth of the comics when every other kid was thinking the cartoons were where the X-Men came from.

Yeah, I was that kid. :D

I was simply pointing out what could be issues of continuity conflicts in the film series so far. That didn't mean I disliked XFC. Quite the opposite: I loved it! My hope is that whichever way the filmmakers take it from here, those questions would be addressed and entertainingly portrayed.

Like I said, my own imagination is pretty stoked at the possibilities that could introduce film versions of peeps like Sinister, the Marauders, the Maximoff twins, the Sentinels and Krakoa while tying together the dangling plot threads reagarding characters ages, origins, and cameos. I'm thinking of XFC2 subtitles like "Children of the Atom" or "The New Mutants" or "The Tomorrow People". :)

[IceHot]

1-month between issues (which might only represent a day or two in comic time) produces plenty of comic continuity issues....I imagine 3-years or so between films makes it totally impossible to have continuity. Actors just plain get older and move on to other things.

If you want to have good movies, you have to live with continuity gaps.

[Fredwood]

I thought it fit pretty well with the other movies, and as Cerebro was destroyed I'm fine with it especially considering Magneto's and Charles' relationship in the comics. I thought I read somewhere in a Vaughn interview that he wasn't including Wolverine Origins in continuity for his movie, so theres that. Plus Are we really going to nitpick about the Hank McCoy Cameo in X2 (it was during the scene at the museum where Pyro is being a Richard), you know he's a scientist, and they could easily say he invented the image inducer.

As much as it pains me to say this, but I prefer the movie Mystique back-story to her comic back-story, and I felt the movie was surprisingly good.

[t4st]

Plus Are we really going to nitpick about the Hank McCoy Cameo in X2 (it was during the scene at the museum where Pyro is being a Richard), you know he's a scientist, and they could easily say he invented the image inducer

Wrong, it was during the bar scene, where Mystique seduces the guard and injects him with the iron. It was on in the background and the guard tells the bartender to turn it off. F/X just played the trilogy this weekend so I know for sure.

[WestCoastAvengers]

We really need a new Havoc.

[CFKane1982]

I think the biggest continuity problem is how Mystique is a loving sister (portrayed by someone who can actually act) who disagrees with her adopted brother at the end of First Class, and a sociopath (portrayed by someone who cannot act and was clearly hired to play the part because she had a banging body) who is willing to jeopardize his life in X-Men (2000).

[Uberman]

I think the biggest continuity problem is how Mystique is a loving sister (portrayed by someone who can actually act) who disagrees with her adopted brother at the end of First Class, and a sociopath (portrayed by someone who cannot act and was clearly hired to play the part because she had a banging body) who is willing to jeopardize his life in X-Men (2000).


But at least it finally answered the one, huge, irritating thing that made me angry every time I watched X-Men, which is how she could make her eye look enough like Professor X's to fool a retinal scanner. [Nerd alert] I mean... I can allow the existence of a shapeshifter, but I have to assume they'd need close knowledge of something to mimic it perfectly, and something like a retina would have to be close knowledge. And here, after a decade, they finally give me a reason to believe it's possible.

[Hughesovski]

I'd love to run a team consisting of:

Possible spoiler?













Magneto
gsx Nightcrawler (azazel)
gsx Emma Frost (to enhance Mag's shooting)
gsx Mystique
Tessa/ Sage - whichever had enhancement and replaces Angel
Riptide?! - no figures yet and unsure who would fit...

[Grinner]

I think the biggest continuity problem is how Mystique is a loving sister (portrayed by someone who can actually act) who disagrees with her adopted brother at the end of First Class, and a sociopath (portrayed by someone who cannot act and was clearly hired to play the part because she had a banging body) who is willing to jeopardize his life in X-Men (2000).

You can build up a whole lot of resentment and hatred (especially for a sibling) over 40 years.

[songwriterz]

I'm thinking of XFC2 subtitles like "Children of the Atom" or "The New Mutants" or "The Tomorrow People". :)

I'm thinking of XFC2 subtitles like: "$56 Million Won't Buy a Sequel" or "Here's Some Characters You Actually Care About".

[matty_boi_222]

nice :) although I wouldn't quite say we saw a veteran Magneto in that movie ;)

I agree.....

[The REAL ARES (DC)]

This looks like it'd be a fun team to play. If I tried it out I'd bring a Wolverine fig along just to sit on the sidelines and tell my team to GFY. :laugh::laugh:

For me, that scene made me laugh quite loudly. It was most fun, and unexpected.

[Feral2k]

Storm's (possible) cameo had her as teenager in the early 1960's...


You mean the little eight-year-old white-haired black girl in the dress? That was probably Storm, but she definitely was not a teenager.

[rorschachparadox]

This looks like it'd be a fun team to play. If I tried it out I'd bring a Wolverine fig along just to sit on the sidelines and tell my team to GFY. :laugh::laugh:

That was absolutely the best part of the movie!

We really need a new Havoc.

Abso-frickin-lutely!

Riptide?! - no figures yet and unsure who would fit...

Thanks, for the life of me, I had no idea who that was...

I'm thinking of XFC2 subtitles like: "$56 Million Won't Buy a Sequel" or "Here's Some Characters You Actually Care About".

Lol :)

[pLiCk]

I'm curious Carbon- in what ways did First Class break continuity with the other X-men films? Sure, it messed a lot with comic continuity, but all the X-films did that. But it seemed quite consistent with the other X-films to me.

And we need a Darwin-clix darn it! I was hoping he'd be in GSX....along with all the other Unmade X-factorites (Layla Miller, Monet St. Croix, etc)

well if you look at the end of wolverine origine, professer x picked up a 17 year old ema frost and he was bald in a wheel chair. plus he grabbed scott not alex.i was just upset that he lived with mystique (prof x) in the books shes as old as wolverine, i have one where shes robbing banks with wolvy in the 1800's

[tidge]

Kicking around ideas for a "Film Accurate" Hellfire Club...

The core group is a pretty easy 400-point team:

116 U (Armor Wars) Black King
107 SR (Monsters and Mutations) Emma Frost
86 (Web of Spiderman) Nightcrawler (as Azazel)
86 SR (Giant-Size X-Men) Storm (as Riptide)...ignore the flying I suppose.

= 395

To bring them up to my 600 point force, add

49 (Avengers-028) Wasp (as Angel)
4x37 (Giant-Size X-Men) Hellfire Club Guards (as unseen grunts?)

= 592

[WakandaMan]

Thanks for everyone who filled me in on the inconsistencies in the X-films. Most of the continuity issues are very minor, and a lot can be easily explained:

Well, let's take the issue of Emma Frost... she's a fully-grown sexbomb in this film, whereas she was a high school student in the Wolverine film.

It's a Cuckoo in Wolverine. Aren't they clones of Emma?

There were also the issues of Charles and Magneto finding mutants together, but not making a visit to Jean Grey's house. Xavier was older and still walking, and he and Magneto apparently hadn't had their big break...

Mmm that is a little interesting. Either he gets better then crippled again or he made himself look like he was walking via his telepathy.

Xavier also told Wolverine in the first film that Magneto helped him build Cerebro, which is why Magneto knew how Cerebro worked and how to construct his helmet. Now we're told that Beast designed Cerebro and the Soviets designed the telepathy-proof helmet...

Well the Cerebro that Hank built was at the CIA facility and looked a lot more unrefined. It makes sense that Xavier, Hank and Erik built the one at the mansion together.

Beast was talking with a "Mr. Shaw" in the background of (I think) X2...

He was either using an image inducer, he managed to unblue himself, or else he was getting another scientist to use his name. And Shaw is a common surname (no reason to think it's Sebastian. Heck it could even have been Shinobi).

Moira MacTaggart being an American CIA agent as opposed to a Scottish scientist in X3 raises more questions as well...

Obviously she quit the CIA and moved back to her homeland of Scotland to study genetics, which is an area of interest to her after the events of First Class.

Storm's (possible) cameo had her as teenager in the early 1960's...

She looked very young to me and she's what, in her 30's in X-men 1? Seems fine.

The placing Styker's father could raise some questions of timing for the Wolverine and X2 films as well...

I missed that. Stryker's father was in First Class???

All the other stuff looks like it can be chalked up to differences between comics and movie continuity (like Alex being Scott's much older brother rather than his younger bro).

[GrimlockX]

Thanks for everyone who filled me in on the inconsistencies in the X-films. Most of the continuity issues are very minor, and a lot can be easily explained:



It's a Cuckoo in Wolverine. Aren't they clones of Emma?



Mmm that is a little interesting. Either he gets better then crippled again or he made himself look like he was walking via his telepathy.



Well the Cerebro that Hank built was at the CIA facility and looked a lot more unrefined. It makes sense that Xavier, Hank and Erik built the one at the mansion together.



He was either using an image inducer, he managed to unblue himself, or else he was getting another scientist to use his name. And Shaw is a common surname (no reason to think it's Sebastian. Heck it could even have been Shinobi).



Obviously she quit the CIA and moved back to her homeland of Scotland to study genetics, which is an area of interest to her after the events of First Class.



She looked very young to me and she's what, in her 30's in X-men 1? Seems fine.



I missed that. Stryker's father was in First Class???

All the other stuff looks like it can be chalked up to differences between comics and movie continuity (like Alex being Scott's much older brother rather than his younger bro).

Sure, but really all of this is just an attempt to infer certain things that more than likely aren't there (particularly for a movie going audience that won't have any idea what, say, a Cuckoo is). Again, the movie smacks of "reboot" to me, from Emma's appearance countering her Wolverine appearance, Charles being in the chair while still a young man (as opposed to walking as an old man in both X3 and Wolverine), etc.

[Grinner]

She looked very young to me and she's what, in her 30's in X-men 1? Seems fine.

Even if she was 4, that would mean she was born in 1958. X-men takes place after 2000, meaning that Storm would be at least 46.

[WakandaMan]

Even if she was 4, that would mean she was born in 1958. X-men takes place after 2000, meaning that Storm would be at least 46.

Well lots of mutants have a slow-aging effect as part of their mutation. Maybe Storm does as well (at least in film continuity).

Heck it's a lot more believable than 616 characters all staying the same ages for decades in the comics.

[GrimlockX]

Well lots of mutants have a slow-aging effect as part of their mutation. Maybe Storm does as well (at least in film continuity).

Heck it's a lot more believable than 616 characters all staying the same ages for decades in the comics.

Has it really been decades for the characters themselves though? Sometimes it can take half a year or more to tell a story that might take place in a single afternoon. Hell, 24 builds an entire season's worth of episodes around this concept.

[WakandaMan]

That's a good point that a lot of people don't usually consider.