View Full Version : The Head of H.A.T.E.!
WizKidsNECA
06/08/2011, 12:00
Today’s preview brings us to the top office of the Highest Anti-Terrorism Effort, or H.A.T.E., and to its commander-in-chief Dirk Anger! [...]
<center><img src="http://wizkidsgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/047-dirk-anger.jpg" width="450px"></center>That’s not all! We could scarcely offer Dirk Anger without also including a sneak peek at his zombie variant! No Nextwave/H.A.T.E. collection could be considered complete without a “Successful” Dirk Anger!
<center><img src="http://wizkidsgames.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/LE-Successful-dirk-anger-1023x536.jpg" width="450px"></center>
[Read More on WizKidsGames.com (http://wizkidsgames.com/blog/2011/06/08/the-head-of-h-a-t-e/)]
first post!
Collector # 104. Is that LE or is that 'Chase' numbering?
Interesting concepts though. Dirk would be a good way to shut down GSX Cyclops.
sooo now we have two figs with four paint schemes,
just makes me nervous. like ya know, a 40 fig set with 20 repaints.
just thinking.
chrisgo316
06/08/2011, 13:05
I want the rare one. His trait is pretty awesome and his SP is pretty good as well. He seems like another piece out of a set that I will want to play alot (I'm looking at you Cypher).
songwriterz
06/08/2011, 13:06
Are all the LE's going to be Zombie variants?
maddragon13
06/08/2011, 13:09
Interesting figures but I've never been to big on the NEXTWAVE book so I'm not overly thrilled with these 2 figures.
Are all the LE's going to be Zombie variants?
I kind of doubt it. I think thats a Dirk Anger exclusive thing unless they want to put out more Marvel Zombies, which would be a strange choice for the set.
Imbalance
06/08/2011, 13:11
"What's with the steering wheel?"
"Ar...It drives me nuts!"
catherine
06/08/2011, 13:13
Some news was already revealed that the set has (forget exact numbers) about 63 figures with 57 sculpts. So about 6 sculpts will be re-used. That said, as this dupe is an LE and not part of the 63, it is not likely part of the 6.
As for the figures, I know nothing of the character and Nextwave, so I have little interest. But they both have some potent traits. I like the rare over the LE. That traits' potential is ridiculous. Keep him mobile with movement, carry, and TK; drop him near Batman, Mystics, or Power Cosmic...go to town.
Are all the LE's going to be Zombie variants?
I hope so! That way I won't want them! Not like GSX where the most definitive version of Cable since Mutant Mayhem...is an LE! Happy days if this zombie is a chase figure...seriously...what's with making lampost bats (many consider him to be the definitive version of bats in Clix) a chase??
As for the figure I have no idea who he is but his SP for healing according to dmg dealt instead of 1 is brilliant! Excellent design I think and props to the team...love the obscure no namers taking up Rare/SR/chase slots!
Now if only Weapon X, Black panther, Widow and Red Skull are common! Lol! Fat chance!
PresidntVictor
06/08/2011, 13:22
With the new specifity to when characters take pushing damage, can Steal Energy still act like the poor man's Willpower?
bullseye100
06/08/2011, 13:28
Please don't let us do the "I'm First", "I'm second" thing here on this site... it annoys the heck out of me. Zombies would be okay if there are people who want more of them, but i will more than likely sell mine if i acquire any...
I like the zombie one. 'Cause it's a zombie. And more zombies for Team Zombie is good.
Zombie.
DOOMSTRIKER
06/08/2011, 13:31
no thanks...
next preview, please
:tired:
Novaeffect
06/08/2011, 13:33
14th post! woo!
HH2011003
06/08/2011, 13:34
This is so great. I wish they'd given him a click of Outwit so he could be a Brilliant Tactician for Soldier teams... But I mean, Dirk never really outwitted anybody, and was far from a brilliant tactician, lol. And I love that Wizkids was willing to take the LE to such a dark place. He's even got the noose around his neck!
Well-played, I say.
VictorySaber
06/08/2011, 13:40
... handy as the trait may be, I'll take the "I'll keep coming back and eating your brains to do so!" LE... no range or not, he's likely to hang around longer, and has a better chance to hit something, imo...
Cliffjumper
06/08/2011, 13:43
Im loving the Zombie Dirk. Auto Regen makes him 100pts even.
Munchoboy
06/08/2011, 13:46
no thanks...
next preview, please
:tired:
No thanks.
Next poster, please...
:cheeky: :p :laugh:
masterprotoss23
06/08/2011, 13:46
They are interesting pieces to say the least. I just thank god that Dirk isn't an SR that way I won't have multiples of Squirrel Girl and Dirk Anger that i'll never be able to trade off in my area. Only Squirrel Girls lol.
I need to read me some NEXTWAVE to understand this character a bit more. Glad the H.A.T.E.rs out there got their man, now lets see us some more CAP!
no thanks...
next preview, please
:tired:
Haha! Love it...so true! I didn't want to say but that's how I felt!
I love that everyone is getting the figs they want though. I know people have been clamouring for squirrel girl since Clix began! And I was happy I finally got onslaught (even tho so many people seem to hate the char)
Just give us a look at Black panther/red skull dials or a nice remake of Silver Samurai or Ghost Rider to keep us fanboys happy! :)
Great job all round though Wizkids!
DOOMSTRIKER
06/08/2011, 13:53
No thanks.
Next poster, please...
:cheeky: :p :laugh:
Thank the forum gods for the ignore list then huh? i know i do
WestCoastAvengers
06/08/2011, 13:55
I like how the Zombie can heal 2 or 3 clicks with Steal Energy.
He's not bad and the sculpt it's ok but if you compare him to pieces of 12 attack and 19 defense of the same set... he stinks big time.
happy for those who like Nextwave, but these guys are not for me.
Manchine
06/08/2011, 14:04
Well there is the 2nd figure in the Captain America Set that I don't give a Rats ____ about.
Great dials!
But isn't there too much hate in the world already?
Oh My God Yes Must Have These.
Munchoboy
06/08/2011, 14:16
Great dials!
But isn't there too much hate in the world already?
Haters gonna H.A.T.E. :p
Project: J-ko
06/08/2011, 14:18
Oh man. That's awesome.
And to all you 'Realmsers out there who don't like or want these figs, fair enough. That just means less competition for those of us who do want 'em, so thanks for that.
PM me with your figs you don't want when you get 'em. :cool:
checkeredman
06/08/2011, 14:20
...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
[wake me up when we get a good preview of an interesting character]
kirbunkle
06/08/2011, 14:25
So does no one else notice that he can shut off team abilities? Like... that's not useless. The guy is really good. He doesn't even need line of fire for it.
What's that? Oh you're using Metron, huh? That's cool, I'll just park Dirk Anger up here in stealth, oh and now I'll outwit your damage special. And your Impervious........
...and... your phasing...
Great. Another terrible character is a Super Rare and an LE!
Always glad to see characters I don't want as SR's, to ensure I don't pull them.
So far other than Commander Rogers, the previews have been seriously lacking.
Space Jawa
06/08/2011, 14:28
So does no one else notice that he can shut off team abilities? Like... that's not useless. The guy is really good. He doesn't even need line of fire for it.
Not just Team Abilities. He also shuts down Leadership across the entire board. Which is kind of a big deal now that Leadership is a pretty kick-@** power.
Shoggoth
06/08/2011, 14:35
Great. Another terrible character is a Super Rare and an LE!
Always glad to see characters I don't want as SR's, to ensure I don't pull them.
So far other than Commander Rogers, the previews have been seriously lacking.
Dirk is a rare, and "Successful" Dirk is an LE.
And I am so into both of those pieces. A counter for Quintessence/Power Cosmic? OH GOD YES.
The Rose
06/08/2011, 14:38
So he can counter Power Cosmic? I just want to make sure the wording allows it.
Also, It will be nice to have a decent counter to Bat Ally/Mystics.
kirbunkle
06/08/2011, 14:40
So he can counter Power Cosmic? I just want to make sure the wording allows it.
Opposing characters can't use team abilities within 4 squares... it doesn't say counter, they just can't use them.
Dirk is a rare, and "Successful" Dirk is an LE.
And I am so into both of those pieces. A counter for Quintessence/Power Cosmic? OH GOD YES.
Right... because it's thematic that zombie Dirk be able to counter those cosmic people's powers /thumbsdown
Not trying to troll, just sayin that's kind of an insane power. And the leadership bit... others just can't use it? No LoF required or anything?? So other people who are leaders just don't get to be?? That's wack. Another trait that acts more like a BFC... : /
kirbunkle
06/08/2011, 14:44
Right... because it's thematic that zombie Dirk be able to counter those cosmic people's powers /thumbsdown
Not Zombie Dirk... the standard version...
vicious x
06/08/2011, 14:49
Great. Another terrible character is a Super Rare and an LE!
Always glad to see characters I don't want as SR's, to ensure I don't pull them.
So far other than Commander Rogers, the previews have been seriously lacking.
he in not a super rare, he is just a rare and an le. #47 and #104.
I am shocked that everyone is hating on H.A.T.E. after all of the love that NextWave got last set??? wow.
I never read Nextwave but I know a ton of people who have, so I am glad that they got them.
oh wel you can't please them all.
Shoggoth
06/08/2011, 14:58
Right... because it's thematic that zombie Dirk be able to counter those cosmic people's powers /thumbsdown
Thematic? Hell if I know.
Not trying to troll, just sayin that's kind of an insane power. And the leadership bit... others just can't use it? No LoF required or anything?? So other people who are leaders just don't get to be?? That's wack. Another trait that acts more like a BFC... : /
It's true that's insane, but Dirk has nothing in the way of damage reducers. In a way, it's another Kid Zoom.
HH2011003
06/08/2011, 15:00
I love that everyone is getting the figs they want though. I know people have been clamouring for squirrel girl since Clix began! And I was happy I finally got onslaught (even tho so many people seem to hate the char)
This. All kinds of this.
Thank you for taking a positive approach! The way I see it, the more semi-obscure and/or cult-y characters like Dirk Anger Wizkids makes, the closer EVERYONE gets to having THEIR favorite weirdo character show up! And then we all can build our perfect teams and the world of Heroclix will be filled with joy.
Like, I personally was unmoved by Onslaught. But I sold him to a guy who was having trouble finding the figure, and he was super-stoked. That is one of the things that makes Heroclix fun!
he in not a super rare, he is just a rare and an le. #47 and #104.
I am shocked that everyone is hating on H.A.T.E. after all of the love that NextWave got last set??? wow.
I never read Nextwave but I know a ton of people who have, so I am glad that they got them.
oh wel you can't please them all.
I assumed given the wheel, that he was a terrible SR. Now he's just a terrible Rare.
Hopefully I still don't pull him. Hated the book and hate the character.
And you'll note that none of the love for NextWave came from me either.
'
Hopefully the next preview will be someone more worthwhile.
brevard321
06/08/2011, 15:23
This is odd.
Marvel doesn't want any more Marvel Zombie merchandise, but I guess they okayed this "zombie."
Also, I'm not sure if the "suicide as a group activity" line is necessary on the card. There will be younger people and people in general who don't read the Nextwave comics, but will win this as a random tournament prize.
It seems to be a little insensitive to the pervasive problem of suicide in our society. I just don't see where it was necessary to add that bit of information to the card.
And not ALL people who play Heroclix or read comics are into ultra-violent Kick-### stuff, or over the top stuff like this Dirk Anger guy. As an LE piece, it's less of a problem than if it was a random booster piece, but still....
This is odd.
Marvel doesn't want any more Marvel Zombie merchandise, but I guess they okayed this "zombie."
Also, I'm not sure if the "suicide as a group activity" line is necessary on the card. There will be younger people and people in general who don't read the Nextwave comics, but will win this as a random tournament prize.
It seems to be a little insensitive to the pervasive problem of suicide in our society. I just don't see where it was necessary to add that bit of information to the card.
And not ALL people who play Heroclix or read comics are into ultra-violent Kick-### stuff, or over the top stuff like this Dirk Anger guy. As an LE piece, it's less of a problem than if it was a random booster piece, but still....
then why do you have this line in your signature
"Superman is killing himself tonight, Hollywise, Hollywise..."
UndeadEnigma
06/08/2011, 15:37
The Rare looks like fun to play, with the very good Nextwave peices supporting him, another finesse piece that you have to keep on the board. I hope I get one. As for the "successful" version, I can take it or leave it for the moment. Cap's going to be a fun set.
brevard321
06/08/2011, 15:39
then why do you have this line in your signature
"Superman is killing himself tonight, Hollywise, Hollywise..."
Well, that's a line from a song about tragedy and suicide (which I have been personally affected by), but it's not making light of suicide (in my interpretation, anyway).
I'm also a private citizen, not a company making products with the above referenced issues.
I don't have a marketing or legal department to review everything I do, which they should, of course.
Imagine when they make a new Dr. Light Heroclix piece. Do you want its card to be as "informational" as this new Dirk Anger zombie's card?
I'm just saying, just because Superman-Prime will "kill you to death" or Black Adam will turn someone's head into a fine mist, DOESN'T mean it needs to be referenced on a Heroclix card.
There are young people who play the game of superheroes and bad guys, that don't read ALL the source material, if any.
There's a big difference between stuff like Watchmen and Nextwave compared to Tiny Titans or the Super Friends (as an older reference). :)
Rurouni KJS
06/08/2011, 15:42
I like the Dirk Anger clix about as well as I did the character...amusing, but not really as much fun as his creator seemed to think he was.
Still. One day I will play my "NERF YOU HARD" team:
Kid Zoom 87
Dirk Anger 71
Harry Leland 53
Ragdoll 46
Leech 35
= 292 points.
Whatchu gonna do?
This is odd.
Marvel doesn't want any more Marvel Zombie merchandise, but I guess they okayed this "zombie."
I think it's more they didn't want any more Marvel Zombies merchandise featuring their bread and butter characters like Spider-Man, etc. Some forgettable new character from a short running low selling comic is probably a legitimate exception.
I like that living Dirk has a Trait to shut down Team Abiliites, but for his entire non-zombie existance, he was chasing after five people, four of whom have no Team Abilities. And in a Themed 500-600 point game with the whole team (525 for the ATA), Monica's isn't going to do you any good.
I love the Trait, but where the heck did it come from?
I like the Dirk Anger clix about as well as I did the character...amusing, but not really as much fun as his creator seemed to think he was.
Still. One day I will play my "NERF YOU HARD" team:
Kid Zoom 87
Dirk Anger 71
Harry Leland 53
Ragdoll 46
Leech 35
= 292 points.
Whatchu gonna do?
Thank you for this. I was thinking of doing the same thing. Having made the team for me, I can stop thinking again.
charlesdward
06/08/2011, 16:06
With Auto-Regen, Zombie Dirk is 100 points. This is workable.
Add four Mindless Ones and you have the perfect Anti-Nextwave team.
Now I think I want one. :)
silentpat
06/08/2011, 16:09
I love this. I was shocked to see they made a Dirk. He's hilarious.
Also, just because children may play the game, does not mean we have to censor ourselves completely. I love the inclusion of the noose. It's character accurate. Hooded Justice from Watchmen has a noose, should that be removed too?
rwint1968
06/08/2011, 16:10
Interesting; I know nothing about the character but new characters in clix are always welcome.
:cool:
Thrumble Funk
06/08/2011, 16:11
I am also a troll who hates things that other people enjoy!
Myrik_Justiciar
06/08/2011, 16:18
I love zombies!
Good figures!
Bring me more zombies!
brevard321
06/08/2011, 16:19
I love this. I was shocked to see they made a Dirk. He's hilarious.
Also, just because children may play the game, does not mean we have to censor ourselves completely. I love the inclusion of the noose. It's character accurate. Hooded Justice from Watchmen has a noose, should that be removed too?
Heck, I didn't even see the noose. I thought it was a scarf!
As far as censorship, I don't think that's the correct term.
The Watchmen set was a fully boxed 100 dollar retail set. Parents were not going to buy kids that set by "accident." I can't remember the original set packaging, but that new Fast Forces mock-up says for ages 17 and up in clear print. I think the original set was the same, but I may be mistaken.
Unlike the zombie LE, which a young kid playing Heroclix could win without parental approval.
There's a big difference between winning Gleek, and winning zombie Dirk Anger.
There are probably very few Heroclix players that want a sculpt of Superboy-Prime punching someone's head off, or ripping off Frankenstein's arms, right? Was that Black Adam who killed Frankenstein? Or Black Adam putting his fingers THROUGH Psycho Pirate's head?
I just think that because something is character or comic accurate, doesn't mean it all has to be used as reference for Heroclix pieces. We certainly didn't get any "land mine victims" with the Sgt. Rock sculpt or card, right?
They just need to think a bit ahead sometimes. Joke characters, ultra-violent characters, they all exist in comic books. But not every joke or hardcore moment needs to be reflected in those Heroclix pieces.
Sometimes, a LITTLE restraint goes a long way. The fact that I or anyone else might bring it up, means they might have gone a little too far.
Mail-aways or collector sets are a bit different, especially if they reflect Mature Content on the side of the box or something. :nervous:
I like that living Dirk has a Trait to shut down Team Abiliites, but for his entire non-zombie existance, he was chasing after five people, four of whom have no Team Abilities. And in a Themed 500-600 point game with the whole team (525 for the ATA), Monica's isn't going to do you any good.
I love the Trait, but where the heck did it come from?
Probably the same place Bombastic Bagmans trait came from.
Well, the NECA is now being marketing it as an ages 13+ or 14+ game now...
Thrumble Funk
06/08/2011, 16:31
Heck, I didn't even see the noose. I thought it was a scarf!
As far as censorship, I don't think that's the correct term.
The Watchmen set was a fully boxed 100 dollar retail set. Parents were not going to buy kids that set by "accident." I can't remember the original set packaging, but that new Fast Forces mock-up says for ages 17 and up in clear print. I think the original set was the same, but I may be mistaken.
Unlike the zombie LE, which a young kid playing Heroclix could win without parental approval.
There's a big difference between winning Gleek, and winning zombie Dirk Anger.
There are probably very few Heroclix players that want a sculpt of Superboy-Prime punching someone's head off, or ripping off Frankenstein's arms, right? Was that Black Adam who killed Frankenstein? Or Black Adam putting his fingers THROUGH Psycho Pirate's head?
I just think that because something is character or comic accurate, doesn't mean it all has to be used as reference for Heroclix pieces. We certainly didn't get any "land mine victims" with the Sgt. Rock sculpt or card, right?
They just need to think a bit ahead sometimes. Joke characters, ultra-violent characters, they all exist in comic books. But not every joke or hardcore moment needs to be reflected in those Heroclix pieces.
Sometimes, a LITTLE restraint goes a long way. The fact that I or anyone else might bring it up, means they might have gone a little too far.
Mail-aways or collector sets are a bit different, especially if they reflect Mature Content on the side of the box or something. :nervous:
There is LITERALLY NO SENSIBLE REASON that anyone should be offended by the fictional suicide of a fictional character represented/conveyed by a paragraph on the back of a game card.
If I ever ran into anyone who would honestly be offended by this, I'd have to exercise a TON of restraint to not tell them to stop being silly and find something better to do with their time.
Seriously. There's controversial, there's "making mountains out of molehills," there's melodrama, then there's something like this.
Thrumble Funk
06/08/2011, 16:33
Well, the NECA is now being marketing it as an ages 13+ or 14+ game now...
It is fine. 100%, absolutely, under any circumstances A-OK. Anyone who would be offended by something like this needs to get a life, IMO.
And this isn't directed at brevard. If he errs on the side of concern, fine. I just sincerely hope that there are very few people out there who are that sensitive, and I can't imagine how the people out there who ARE that sensitive can make it through the morning news.
masterprotoss23
06/08/2011, 16:36
Heck, I didn't even see the noose. I thought it was a scarf!
As far as censorship, I don't think that's the correct term.
The Watchmen set was a fully boxed 100 dollar retail set. Parents were not going to buy kids that set by "accident." I can't remember the original set packaging, but that new Fast Forces mock-up says for ages 17 and up in clear print. I think the original set was the same, but I may be mistaken.
Unlike the zombie LE, which a young kid playing Heroclix could win without parental approval.
There's a big difference between winning Gleek, and winning zombie Dirk Anger.
There are probably very few Heroclix players that want a sculpt of Superboy-Prime punching someone's head off, or ripping off Frankenstein's arms, right? Was that Black Adam who killed Frankenstein? Or Black Adam putting his fingers THROUGH Psycho Pirate's head?
I just think that because something is character or comic accurate, doesn't mean it all has to be used as reference for Heroclix pieces. We certainly didn't get any "land mine victims" with the Sgt. Rock sculpt or card, right?
They just need to think a bit ahead sometimes. Joke characters, ultra-violent characters, they all exist in comic books. But not every joke or hardcore moment needs to be reflected in those Heroclix pieces.
Sometimes, a LITTLE restraint goes a long way. The fact that I or anyone else might bring it up, means they might have gone a little too far.
Mail-aways or collector sets are a bit different, especially if they reflect Mature Content on the side of the box or something. :nervous:
While I understand your point, I don't think we should be bothering WizKids/NECA with more restrictions then they already have. An extra proofreader is probably one or two more waiting for the bus sculpts.
Yes it is possible for a young kid to win this as a prize. Think about it this way. How many young kids do you know win tournaments? Next, how many kids know about Dirk Anger? Third, how many kids will want the Cap LE (most likely will happen, tho I could be wrong) instead of the Dirk LE? I can see that if a Kid wins this they will trade it off almost immediately for either a bunch of pieces from the set, or and LE that is better than Dirk?
Bottom-line: Non-Issue.
...I always thought Clix was a 12 and older game....and as such...I Knew about FAR worse things than Suicide at that age....I mean...I HOPE Kids have understood death by at least the age of 8 but that's just me..
Also you take your kids to comic Book environment and expect everything to be Super-friends? So...due to your, the parents, ignorance of the current way comics are Done and a gAME that is representative of comics, WE need to show restraint.
Hrrrrm interesting.
I mean its not like it's promoting a socially irresponsible stereotype ...or ENCOURAGING Suicide...it's just stating that characters suicide as matter of fact.
I would be more worried about the "suicide as a group activity" line if "Suicide Squad" weren't already a team ability and a keyword.
I would be more worried about the "suicide as a group activity" line if "Suicide Squad" weren't already a team ability and a keyword.
And the Captain's "Piss" in one of his powers
Space Jawa
06/08/2011, 17:02
The Watchmen set was a fully boxed 100 dollar retail set. Parents were not going to buy kids that set by "accident." I can't remember the original set packaging, but that new Fast Forces mock-up says for ages 17 and up in clear print. I think the original set was the same, but I may be mistaken.
Unlike the zombie LE, which a young kid playing Heroclix could win without parental approval.
There's a big difference between winning Gleek, and winning zombie Dirk Anger.
There are probably very few Heroclix players that want a sculpt of Superboy-Prime punching someone's head off, or ripping off Frankenstein's arms, right? Was that Black Adam who killed Frankenstein? Or Black Adam putting his fingers THROUGH Psycho Pirate's head?
I just think that because something is character or comic accurate, doesn't mean it all has to be used as reference for Heroclix pieces. We certainly didn't get any "land mine victims" with the Sgt. Rock sculpt or card, right?
They just need to think a bit ahead sometimes. Joke characters, ultra-violent characters, they all exist in comic books. But not every joke or hardcore moment needs to be reflected in those Heroclix pieces.
Sometimes, a LITTLE restraint goes a long way. The fact that I or anyone else might bring it up, means they might have gone a little too far.
Mail-aways or collector sets are a bit different, especially if they reflect Mature Content on the side of the box or something. :nervous:
I have a feeling that considering some of the characters that have shown up thus far and the way they look, what we're getting from Dirk is going to be a minor issue at best comparatively (nods head at Lyssa Drak, Red She-Hulk, Gamora, and Sabbac, among others)
fastcat99
06/08/2011, 17:24
Please don't let us do the "I'm First", "I'm second" thing here on this site... it annoys the heck out of me. Zombies would be okay if there are people who want more of them, but i will more than likely sell mine if i acquire any...
Congrats! You were the first to complain! First, first!
Boy, I like this piece. I haven't read the books, but he's hysterical. I really like the name for perplex on the LE. I must have it for my monster team!
Superfly
06/08/2011, 17:45
Please don't let us do the "I'm First", "I'm second" thing here on this site... it annoys the heck out of me.
Ditto on this on this. :angry: Listen up noobs! No one, here, really cares if you are the first one to post. What we, here, care about are your thoughtful comments, insights, points-of-views, and meaningful contributions. Posting stuff like this has never been a part of this community, but I've started to see it from time to time in the past few months. Drop it! There's no point to it. In case you missed it, all posts have a little # up in the top right corner. If you are first, everyone can already see that. It's like posting a message telling us your username. It's already blatantly obvious and totally redundant. If there is some website that actually celebrates repetition of unwanted information, please go there and party on with your nonsense.
Ditto on this on this. :angry: Listen up noobs! No one, here, really cares if you are the first one to post. What we, here, care about are your thoughtful comments, insights, points-of-views, and meaningful contributions. Posting stuff like this has never been a part of this community, but I've started to see it from time to time in the past few months. Drop it! There's no point to it. In case you missed it, all posts have a little # up in the top right corner. If you are first, everyone can already see that. It's like posting a message telling us your username. It's already blatantly obvious and totally redundant. If there is some website that actually celebrates repetition of unwanted information, please go there and party on with your nonsense.
69th! I said 69, lolololololololololololol
:p
kirbunkle
06/08/2011, 18:19
It's like posting a message telling us your username.
Yeah for real.
--Kirbunkle
larthosgrr8
06/08/2011, 18:25
i can't believe ppl are complaining about the names of powers or what his bio says. if you don't want your kids to read or look at it, just don't get them that fig. i'm sorry to say, but they'll eventually come across those words sooner or later!
i love both of these figures. dirk makes so many figures bad it's not even funny. all the power TA'S can bite it when he's around. i love these silver bullets!
rorschachparadox
06/08/2011, 18:43
I would be more worried about the "suicide as a group activity" line if "Suicide Squad" weren't already a team ability and a keyword.
QFT...
Well, that's a line from a song about tragedy and suicide (which I have been personally affected by), but it's not making light of suicide (in my interpretation, anyway).
I'm also a private citizen, not a company making products with the above referenced issues.
I don't have a marketing or legal department to review everything I do, which they should, of course.
Imagine when they make a new Dr. Light Heroclix piece. Do you want its card to be as "informational" as this new Dirk Anger zombie's card?
I'm just saying, just because Superman-Prime will "kill you to death" or Black Adam will turn someone's head into a fine mist, DOESN'T mean it needs to be referenced on a Heroclix card.
There are young people who play the game of superheroes and bad guys, that don't read ALL the source material, if any.
There's a big difference between stuff like Watchmen and Nextwave compared to Tiny Titans or the Super Friends (as an older reference). :)
So should NECA not mention that Red Skull was a Nazi or a Communist, depending on the incarnation? Nazis happen to be slightly more offensive in general, imo, and perfectly acceptable in this context, also imo. Whereas a "Nazi Soldier" generic minion would be tasteless, mentioning that Red Skull worked for the Nazis and Hitler is completely non-offensive, imo.
I think it's more they didn't want any more Marvel Zombies merchandise featuring their bread and butter characters like Spider-Man, etc. Some forgettable new character from a short running low selling comic is probably a legitimate exception.
In your opinion.
broodwarjc
06/08/2011, 19:44
QFT...
So should NECA not mention that Red Skull was a Nazi or a Communist, depending on the incarnation? Nazis happen to be slightly more offensive in general, imo, and perfectly acceptable in this context, also imo. Whereas a "Nazi Soldier" generic minion would be tasteless, mentioning that Red Skull worked for the Nazis and Hitler is completely non-offensive, imo.
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The real question is would NECA ever produce a Red Skull figure wearing a Nazi uniform with a Swastika on the side? Do you think that would be appropriate for this game?
Munchoboy
06/08/2011, 19:47
The real question is would NECA ever produce a Red Skull figure wearing a Nazi uniform with a Swastika on the side? Do you think that would be appropriate for this game?
I would cast a sideways glance at anyone sincerely attempting to make an arguement for the legitimacy or propriety of so ridiculous an act.
It's just...unnecessary and lacks decorum. :ermm:
tyroclix
06/08/2011, 19:49
Wow. Can't believe Maria Hill is 1 more point than this guy. She has to be missing something - super-strength maybe?
I don't know the character at all but the dial is a solid support piece. A tad expensive but he brings a lot for the cost - anti-Leadership, anti-TA (even more Stealthbusting) and what amounts to dual Perplex for many many figures?
I gotta find a character that can use this dial - Oracle maybe? Anyone in Marvel?
The zombie ain't bad either. Pricey but he has the Morbius trait. If I ran monster teams he'd be a must.
In your opinion.
And in Marvel's.
Wow, regular Dirk is a pretty decent piece with a nasty trait like that. He cancels TA's? Did we just find the easiest answer to Power Cosmic ever?
WakandaMan
06/08/2011, 20:18
Man I hate zombies. But at least it's not a sculpt of him eating someone else (Giant-man!).
The regular Dirk looks like fun though.
This dude looks like a character from Dragon Ball (he has a scouter and he reminds me some kind of stupid japanese villian for the pose and clothes)
Both of these are must haves for me, if not for the character then for their powers. Just when I'd lost hope they'd ever make any more zombies we get the most ridiculous one of all. Its like Wacko Jacko only playable.
Scizorsfury
06/08/2011, 21:52
I like both versions and am a fan of Nextwave. Oh and they posted Modok on heroclix.com
brevard321
06/08/2011, 22:19
Well after reading all the replies, and thinking about it, here are some thoughts.
Suicide Squad as a team name is far less "over the top" than the card saying a character would like to "reinvent suicide as a group activity."
If the character had indeed committed suicide, and it was just plainly stated, I would have less of a problem with it. Instead, this borders on the homicide/suicide bomber type of issue.
Suicide is a fact of life. It still doesn't mean it needs to be referenced on the back of a Heroclix character card. In the same vein, the Jokers ten thousand murders don't need to be explicitly referenced, and neither does the rape of Sue Dibney by Dr. Light.
Comic book fans ALREADY know that stuff. It's not a surprise. I just think that the Successful Dirk Anger card is just over the top, it's lazy, and it's not clever.
And again, I'm not a prude, or a Puritan, or anything such. I like zombie stuff. I loved Horrorclix, I watch violent movies but not violent movies just for the sake of violence.
And I know there are many comic book characters who kill and do many dastardly things, but again, they don't have to all be referenced on the Heroclix card.
Take Punisher for instance. He kills all the time. What does his character card say?
Ex-Special Forces Soldier Frank Castle was on a picnic with his family in New York's Central Park when they witnessed a Mafia execution. When the criminals opened fire in an attempt to eliminate witnesses, Castle's wife and children were killed. After Castle received no help from a corrupt police force, he sought vengeance on his own, launching a war on crime as the Punisher.
Obviously we have some serious subject matter here. I just think it's handled more tastefully because of the fact that the Punisher is a serious character, and Dirk Anger appears not to be.
And we have already said that there are comic book characters that will NEVER be included in Heroclix for one reason or another, mostly because of Nazi imagery. Obviously NECA/Wizkids and Marvel/DC as property owners have to "police" the product they put out. In this case, I just think they could have left out the "suicide as a group activity" line, and the character card/game piece and Heroclix players would have been no worse off.
And if someone became interested in Dirk Anger BECAUSE of the game piece and character card, then they can go read all about him.
It's like this: I'd rather see NO biographical information on the character cards, than incorrect or over the top biographical information.
Dark_Knight
06/08/2011, 22:48
I like both versions and am a fan of Nextwave. Oh and they posted Modok on heroclix.com
M.O.D.O.K dial/sculpt is dope ... thankfully because all previews save Steve Rogers have been underwhelming for me :ermm:
Well after reading all the replies, and thinking about it, here are some thoughts.
Suicide Squad as a team name is far less "over the top" than the card saying a character would like to "reinvent suicide as a group activity."
If the character had indeed committed suicide, and it was just plainly stated, I would have less of a problem with it. Instead, this borders on the homicide/suicide bomber type of issue.
Suicide is a fact of life. It still doesn't mean it needs to be referenced on the back of a Heroclix character card. In the same vein, the Jokers ten thousand murders don't need to be explicitly referenced, and neither does the rape of Sue Dibney by Dr. Light.
Comic book fans ALREADY know that stuff. It's not a surprise. I just think that the Successful Dirk Anger card is just over the top, it's lazy, and it's not clever.
And again, I'm not a prude, or a Puritan, or anything such. I like zombie stuff. I loved Horrorclix, I watch violent movies but not violent movies just for the sake of violence.
And I know there are many comic book characters who kill and do many dastardly things, but again, they don't have to all be referenced on the Heroclix card.
Take Punisher for instance. He kills all the time. What does his character card say?
Obviously we have some serious subject matter here. I just think it's handled more tastefully because of the fact that the Punisher is a serious character, and Dirk Anger appears not to be.
And we have already said that there are comic book characters that will NEVER be included in Heroclix for one reason or another, mostly because of Nazi imagery. Obviously NECA/Wizkids and Marvel/DC as property owners have to "police" the product they put out. In this case, I just think they could have left out the "suicide as a group activity" line, and the character card/game piece and Heroclix players would have been no worse off.
And if someone became interested in Dirk Anger BECAUSE of the game piece and character card, then they can go read all about him.
It's like this: I'd rather see NO biographical information on the character cards, than incorrect or over the top biographical information.
actually while the Captain's Bio Text was wrong (as was his named Impervious power)...Dirk's is correct. that is a LIne he said while flying the Aeromarine...
brevard321
06/08/2011, 23:48
actually while the Captain's Bio Text was wrong (as was his named Impervious power)...Dirk's is correct. that is a LIne he said while flying the Aeromarine...
No, I can see that the line was "correct," but I just don't think they HAD to use it.
Again, that's what I meant by showing a little restraint, and possibly better judgement.
Once the game pieces and cards are out for sale, there's no "fixing" them. It's kind of like the Logan with cigar thing.
If the cigar was going to be any kind of issue, they probably should have realized that before printing those pieces.
I mean look, one cursory glance at the Successful Dirk Anger's card and I was like, hold on now....
Though it is cool to see the NECA Wizkids version of a zombie dial. :)
No, I can see that the line was "correct," but I just don't think they HAD to use it.
Again, that's what I meant by showing a little restraint, and possibly better judgement.
Once the game pieces and cards are out for sale, there's no "fixing" them. It's kind of like the Logan with cigar thing.
If the cigar was going to be any kind of issue, they probably should have realized that before printing those pieces.
I mean look, one cursory glance at the Successful Dirk Anger's card and I was like, hold on now....
Though it is cool to see the NECA Wizkids version of a zombie dial. :)
oh No I Got that from your post I'm just saying it's not incorrect NOR Over the Top..it was in teh series.
Eh Not really. Again maybe it's because we're offended by different things I mean...honestly I'm more offended by Hank Pym than this figure....I mean I get where you're coming from... but at the same time nothing should be off limits just because people are "offended". Because everyone's going to be offended by something. SURE To people NOT In the game and with a CURSORY Knowledge of Comics they're going to be more offended by Successful Drk than say...Icons JOker but this really isn't a set meant to introduce new players. ITs for experienced players (and I Suppose some new though its not the main point) and people who understand the comics.
So for me:
Icons Joker>Hank Pym> Zombie Dirk.
though as it stands I'm not terribly offended by even Icons Joker to start gasping when I see him hit the field (even on a LAMP Team : P)
GroovyBoy
06/09/2011, 00:22
no thanks...
next preview, please
:tired:
What's with the 10 year-old reaction ? I would think most of us have been alive long enough to have figured out that not everybody likes everything (and, no, that's not limited to Clix). Do you voice your feelings on everything you don't like? For each bad commercial you see, do you say, "That's stupid," out loud at the end of it? Do you do the same every time somebody says something you don't like? Do you do it from some feeling of self-importance, or to gain the acceptance of like-minded people who will see the post? I mean, I'd get it if you wrote about the reasons you didn't like the dial, or the sculpt, or something constructive. Heck, I'd even understand if you said you were just doing it to vent your frustration or up your post count. But as it is, it's visual waste.
My apologies for singling you out, as it's not just you, and I also apologize if you are actually 10 years old...
GroovyBoy
06/09/2011, 00:31
Well after reading all the replies, and thinking about it, here are some thoughts.
Suicide Squad as a team name is far less "over the top" than the card saying a character would like to "reinvent suicide as a group activity."
If the character had indeed committed suicide, and it was just plainly stated, I would have less of a problem with it. Instead, this borders on the homicide/suicide bomber type of issue.
Suicide is a fact of life. It still doesn't mean it needs to be referenced on the back of a Heroclix character card. In the same vein, the Jokers ten thousand murders don't need to be explicitly referenced, and neither does the rape of Sue Dibney by Dr. Light.
Comic book fans ALREADY know that stuff. It's not a surprise. I just think that the Successful Dirk Anger card is just over the top, it's lazy, and it's not clever.
And again, I'm not a prude, or a Puritan, or anything such. I like zombie stuff. I loved Horrorclix, I watch violent movies but not violent movies just for the sake of violence.
And I know there are many comic book characters who kill and do many dastardly things, but again, they don't have to all be referenced on the Heroclix card.
Take Punisher for instance. He kills all the time. What does his character card say?
Obviously we have some serious subject matter here. I just think it's handled more tastefully because of the fact that the Punisher is a serious character, and Dirk Anger appears not to be.
And we have already said that there are comic book characters that will NEVER be included in Heroclix for one reason or another, mostly because of Nazi imagery. Obviously NECA/Wizkids and Marvel/DC as property owners have to "police" the product they put out. In this case, I just think they could have left out the "suicide as a group activity" line, and the character card/game piece and Heroclix players would have been no worse off.
And if someone became interested in Dirk Anger BECAUSE of the game piece and character card, then they can go read all about him.
It's like this: I'd rather see NO biographical information on the character cards, than incorrect or over the top biographical information.
Make sure to supply your children's hermetic bubbles with oxygen, otherwise they will suffocate...
Well after reading all the replies, and thinking about it, here are some thoughts.
Suicide Squad as a team name is far less "over the top" than the card saying a character would like to "reinvent suicide as a group activity."
If the character had indeed committed suicide, and it was just plainly stated, I would have less of a problem with it. Instead, this borders on the homicide/suicide bomber type of issue.
If we can have a team named "Suicide Squad," then having a character bio mention that Dirk engaged in group suicide should be allowed. To the hypothetical children that you're looking out for, I don't think the difference between the two uses of "suicide" will be so obvious. Heck, at least Dirk's is just flavor text. The team ability gives you a benefit when friendly pieces are ko'd, a power that encourages pushing bystanders to death (committing suicide). That's way more likely to come up in a game than the bio on the back of the card, something that many players don't read.
Suicide is a fact of life. It still doesn't mean it needs to be referenced on the back of a Heroclix character card. In the same vein, the Jokers ten thousand murders don't need to be explicitly referenced, and neither does the rape of Sue Dibney by Dr. Light.
And I know there are many comic book characters who kill and do many dastardly things, but again, they don't have to all be referenced on the Heroclix card.
Here's the thing though, this sculpt represents Dirk in a look that he sported for only two pages (three if you count his silhouette). In those pages, Dirk only does the following:
1) Explains his zombie switch
2) Demands brains
3) Orders the ship to try to ram Nextwave's ship
4) Remarks on reinventing suicide and says "**** all of you."
Dr. Light's got decades of history that can be included in his bio. The rape is not central to the character's publication history. Likewise, there's a lot more to Joker than just the kill count he has. Dirk, on the other hand, in his zombified appearance, only does one thing outside of talk: drive his ship into the ground and kill himself and his crew. It's possible the Wizkids bio writer just didn't know what else to say about this version of Dirk.
In this case, I just think they could have left out the "suicide as a group activity" line, and the character card/game piece and Heroclix players would have been no worse off.
I will agree with this. We would all be fine without the quote from the issue. However, we're past the point of changing that, so it's not worth worrying about, in my eyes. After all, I'm playing a game were I can field a team called the Suicide Squad, there's a sculpt of Giant Man eating Black Panther, and characters like Dark Beast and Black Adam have a pile of skulls on their bases. A mention of suicide in some flavor text seems pretty trivial compared to all of that.
Thrumble Funk
06/09/2011, 12:23
I will agree with this. We would all be fine without the quote from the issue.
I would, however, assert that we're fine with it now.
DOOMSTRIKER
06/09/2011, 12:57
What's with the 10 year-old reaction ? I would think most of us have been alive long enough to have figured out that not everybody likes everything (and, no, that's not limited to Clix). Do you voice your feelings on everything you don't like? For each bad commercial you see, do you say, "That's stupid," out loud at the end of it? Do you do the same every time somebody says something you don't like? Do you do it from some feeling of self-importance, or to gain the acceptance of like-minded people who will see the post? I mean, I'd get it if you wrote about the reasons you didn't like the dial, or the sculpt, or something constructive. Heck, I'd even understand if you said you were just doing it to vent your frustration or up your post count. But as it is, it's visual waste.
My apologies for singling you out, as it's not just you, and I also apologize if you are actually 10 years old...
ok
i dont watch TV, so i dont care about commercials (or most forms of mass media)
i do voice my opinion on things that i spend a good amount of my spare money on (almost all my spare money, and i dont make much)
i care 0% for the "acceptance of like-minded people" in the internet world, though i prefer to be friendly to people still, the net is an intangible world, and i doubt i will ever have the pleasure of meeting another realms member in person, due to location and lack of vehicle
if i would have explained all my reasons for hating the head of H.A.T.E. i would have surely just received all kinds of flames, rather i figured i would keep the post short, stating my general unenthusiasm with the preview without coming off as "insulting" to anyone for "bashing their favorite" or anything like that
man... an' I always thought you was kinda cool groovy:cry:
:p
(this was still better than a bunch of flame posts)
DOOMSTRIKER
06/09/2011, 13:02
I would, however, assert that we're fine with it now.
i agree with this statement
HH2011003
06/09/2011, 14:21
I can see brevard321's point in the "making light of suicide is in poor taste" sense. Nextwave was nothing if not tasteless (and personally that's one of the reasons I love it), but I can see how someone who has had their life affected by suicide would look at that line and go "Ech." Potential trauma-triggers probably could be safely left out of a miniatures game. Though honestly, the concept of suicide is sort of central to the character, which makes the whole figure's existence a little dicey on those grounds. "I'm in a meeting. With my maker." And with that being said, I would rather have a Heroclix figure of this particular suicidally-depressed, pill-popping, koala-dropping super-soldier than not, because I love Nextwave... even if I readily admit that it could be somewhat problematic.
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However, I totally can't get behind the whole "protecting the children" sentiment. Kids are a lot tougher and smarter than people give them credit for. I can't possibly conceive that any child is going to get the seed of suicide planted in their head from the flavor-text on the character-card of a Heroclix figure.
Dark_Knight
06/09/2011, 16:47
Can we all just drop this offended-by-suicide-remarks subject and get back to reviewing the piece for its design, sculpt, playability, etc.?
My opinion is simple, been reading for 20+ years but not much of recent (like Nextwave) save Uncanny X-Force and Secret Avengers. The piece itself is good, but I'm with the crowd that appreciates introduction of new pieces never made before, but will probably not own or seek one out. Hence why I don't have The Captain and don't care to ...
monkgently
06/09/2011, 17:00
NEXTWAAAAAAVE
Sorry. I got excited. But seriously, I am so on board with this set now.
brevard321
06/09/2011, 20:21
Well, after all is said and done, I will agree to disagree with some sentiments.
Also a note, I do not have any children. I was speaking from experience that young children do play Heroclix. Heck, I think there was like an 8 year old kid playing at our venue a few weeks ago (a younger brother of one of the older kids).
In Heroclix, as in many things pop-culture, there are tons of tasteless or over the top things, even if they're over the top for only a dozen Heroclix players, it can still be considered over the top.
Zombie Giant-Man was a good example of this. We get it. He's a zombie. In the comics he snacked on Black Panther. But did the Heroclix sculpt absolutely NEED to show that in action? I really don't think so.
And finally, if all else fails, if I happen to win the "Successful" Dirk Anger, I can scrape off the quotation marks and the letters forming cessful" Dir Anger,
so that the dial just reads: Suc k
:)
GroovyBoy
06/09/2011, 20:32
ok
i dont watch TV, so i dont care about commercials (or most forms of mass media)
i do voice my opinion on things that i spend a good amount of my spare money on (almost all my spare money, and i dont make much)
i care 0% for the "acceptance of like-minded people" in the internet world, though i prefer to be friendly to people still, the net is an intangible world, and i doubt i will ever have the pleasure of meeting another realms member in person, due to location and lack of vehicle
if i would have explained all my reasons for hating the head of H.A.T.E. i would have surely just received all kinds of flames, rather i figured i would keep the post short, stating my general unenthusiasm with the preview without coming off as "insulting" to anyone for "bashing their favorite" or anything like that
man... an' I always thought you was kinda cool groovy:cry:
:p
(this was still better than a bunch of flame posts)
Like I said before, these questions weren't aimed directly at you as much as everybody in general who has these posts after a preview. While you are probably right about people flaming you for being a hater if you went into more detail, at least I would've known you were coming from somewhere instead of just posting to post...
GRENDELX
06/09/2011, 20:56
Getting back on topic. I like the 71 point version, stealth top dial so you can get him into position and with some good location Ultimates or Superman TA doesn't help your opponent take him out. I know you can say "Well they can move and reposition out of range" but I am of the opinion that anything that dictates play and position of your opponent by it's shear presence is useful. The Zombie version looks fun, just because I love playing monster teams and this will be a lot of fun in Golden Age. I love the fact he is at the captains wheel and I can run some even more "piratey" themed teams.
I would, however, assert that we're fine with it now.
The two statements are not mutually exclusive. I'm fine with the line about suicide. I would be fine without it. The only thing that really matters here is that we're getting two version of Dirk, and I'm gonna play the zombie one on my Halloween team this year.
Well, after all is said and done, I will agree to disagree with some sentiments.
Also a note, I do not have any children. I was speaking from experience that young children do play Heroclix. Heck, I think there was like an 8 year old kid playing at our venue a few weeks ago (a younger brother of one of the older kids).
In Heroclix, as in many things pop-culture, there are tons of tasteless or over the top things, even if they're over the top for only a dozen Heroclix players, it can still be considered over the top.
Zombie Giant-Man was a good example of this. We get it. He's a zombie. In the comics he snacked on Black Panther. But did the Heroclix sculpt absolutely NEED to show that in action? I really don't think so.
And finally, if all else fails, if I happen to win the "Successful" Dirk Anger, I can scrape off the quotation marks and the letters forming cessful" Dir Anger,
so that the dial just reads: Suc k
:)
...wow Real Mature Brevard...
brevard321
06/10/2011, 02:20
...wow Real Mature Brevard...
It was a joke! I was trying to bring some levity to the thread I derailed. Seriously. :)
And no way can an internet forum post saying Suc k be more over the top than what zombie Dirk's character card says, right? Right??? :confused:
That was my hcrealms attempt to say "It's okay, I might be right about this, or I might be wrong. Or it's probably both."
It was just too easy to pass it up, I tell you!!! :nervous:
gmastermcd
06/10/2011, 03:23
Also a note, I do not have any children. I was speaking from experience that young children do play Heroclix. Heck, I think there was like an 8 year old kid playing at our venue a few weeks ago (a younger brother of one of the older kids).
I do have kids one of them is 8 and I don't like it when people try to be so politically correct or sensitive to everything. Now Dirk Anger is a fictional character but there has been rl mass suicides and the more you try to "protect" your children from the real world the harder it will be for them to cope with the real world when it is time for them to be adults. If my kid learns about group suicide because a character in a comic book did it then I have no problem with that. At least they get introduced to the idea without having to think about all the real people who actually died if they were to learn about it in a history lesson.
Brevard it's great that you want to help keep kids safe but let the parents decide what their own kids can and can't handle. Eight year olds run across much worse things on a daily basis then anything I have seen in clix, and if a parent can't handle or don't know how to deal with thier kid seeing something minute like this then thier kid seeing this is the least of thier concerns.
Also you eliminated like most of the letters to get suck when with just one change you could have made him "SUCCESSFUL" GREYSON ANGER
DOOMSTRIKER
06/10/2011, 12:15
I do have kids one of them is 8 and I don't like it when people try to be so politically correct or sensitive to everything. Now Dirk Anger is a fictional character but there has been rl mass suicides and the more you try to "protect" your children from the real world the harder it will be for them to cope with the real world when it is time for them to be adults. If my kid learns about group suicide because a character in a comic book did it then I have no problem with that. At least they get introduced to the idea without having to think about all the real people who actually died if they were to learn about it in a history lesson.
Brevard it's great that you want to help keep kids safe but let the parents decide what their own kids can and can't handle. Eight year olds run across much worse things on a daily basis then anything I have seen in clix, and if a parent can't handle or don't know how to deal with thier kid seeing something minute like this then thier kid seeing this is the least of thier concerns.
this..
lack of strong parenting (making a child ill-equipped for this brutal world) is NOT a problem anyone but the parent should have to deal with, its lazy and ignorant to censor out all the life that everyone else loves so much because you dont know how to properly educate/prepare and strengthen your children for life outside
in other words: It does NOT take a village to raise a child (because it aint there responsibility) it takes real parenting (trust me this "village"
called western America raised me, and by most's standards, im a pretty screwed up individual:noid:)
I gotta find a character that can use this dial - Oracle maybe? Anyone in Marvel?
Although this dial would be propping him up for a lot more than he can really do, I think I would have rather seen this Trait and some Outwit on a Peter Henry Gyrich figure. That would have been fantastic!
.. lack of strong parenting (making a child ill-equipped for this brutal world) is NOT a problem anyone but the parent should have to deal with....
But, sadly, a lack of strong parenting IS my problem when I have to deal with the child and his/her resulting inability to deal with/operate in the real world.
Now, I shall take my soap box and wish you all a good day.
GroovyBoy
06/10/2011, 15:29
It was a joke! I was trying to bring some levity to the thread I derailed. Seriously. :)
I liked it...
brevard321
06/10/2011, 17:05
I liked it...
Thank you!
I'll be here all week!
Make sure to tip your waitress. :)
Spirit of Vengeance
06/12/2011, 10:46
So does no one else notice that he can shut off team abilities? Like... that's not useless. The guy is really good. He doesn't even need line of fire for it.
What's that? Oh you're using Metron, huh? That's cool, I'll just park Dirk Anger up here in stealth, oh and now I'll outwit your damage special. And your Impervious........
...and... your phasing...
My sentiments exactly, he is the only dependable Metron buster. I'm thinking Dirk, Lyssa Drak, two Questions and Moonstone with a yellow lantern should floor most Metron builds.
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