Boycott

[Saklas]

Heroclix Online is too expensive, everyone can see that. Playing full price for digital items is insanity.

I for one am calling a Boycott on all NECA/Wizkids products until they lower the price by at least 75%.

I really loved HCO despite the glitches, but I cannot abide by this.

Anyone joining me in this boycott please spread the word in your signature.

[caligula4u]

i don't get to play very much anymore dur to how far I have to drive to do so. HCO was going to be the only way for me to continue playing more than likey. But due to how much it cost there's no way I'll dish that out. I'll just keep my old figs and trade ofr figs I want or borrow from people whenever I get to play a game now. There is no way I can justify paying a company money that seems to not care for the people that play the games they put out. I mean we reun their tournaments for them. We run the websites dedicated to their products. Serious heroclix.com is a joke and rarely kept up to date. Look how long it took them to even update the units section. Heck we are even the people that promote there product and get new people to play. In the very least they could price HCO reasonably. The way it is now you can either play online or play with real figs. I started a thread asking NECCA to lower their prices if your interested please go and post there.

[jackstar7]

I feel like it's too early for such a measure. Things could still change.

I would prefer to see the dust settle on things and see what might be ahead. If it comes down to it, we who are unhappy simply don't have to buy it. I think the message will be clear if we serious fans of the game are not putting our money into it. Who else would be expected to be the early adopters?

I urge patience and then simply expressing ourselves normally as we do via the market.

[Hellboy]

I have no intentions of playing the online version.

any monthly fee would be too much for me, but I'm not calling for a boycott. I agree that it should be affordable, but I think everyone can make their own choices in that regard. If the price is too high, they will experience low subscriber-ship.

[Saklas]

No offense, but your attitude is the reason things are in a sorry state. People need to let companies know that if they want our business, they have to earn it by giving us quality product at fair pricing.

NECA doesn't deserve any of my money if they believe our fanbase are so obsessed we would pay outrageous amounts for limited utility digital goods. Twelve dollars a booster may be reasonable for plastic, but not for digital content.Do you realize one booster costs more than an iTunes album?
I feel like it's too early for such a measure. Things could still change.

I would prefer to see the dust settle on things and see what might be ahead. If it comes down to it, we who are unhappy simply don't have to buy it. I think the message will be clear if we serious fans of the game are not putting our money into it. Who else would be expected to be the early adopters?

I urge patience and then simply expressing ourselves normally as we do via the market.

[flatmatt]

I'm sorry to say it, but bluntly, this is silly. NECA may lower the price if no one seems to be buying, but starting at about MSRP for physical boosters is not at all unexpected. Undercutting the physical game by too much would risk damaging sales of the physical game.

[krusticlese]

I'm not boycotting their other products because one d-bag priced their online game so horribly, it will be talked about in the industry for years to come.

I like my physical clix, and will show that by continuing my purchases at my B&M store.

However, I will not support this HCO endevor in any form going forward. I'm thinking even if they lower prices, I'll boycott it just on principal for introducing such an arrogant pricing structure to begin with.

[krusticlese]

I'm sorry to say it, but bluntly, this is silly. NECA may lower the price if no one seems to be buying, but starting at about MSRP for physical boosters is not at all unexpected. Undercutting the physical game by too much would risk damaging sales of the physical game.

Wha... What?? You *expected* them to price them the same cost as physical boosters?

Break that down for me, won't you? What costs would Wizkids have to charge $2.39 *per figure* in a virtual environment? I can see where the cost comes from to sculpt, mold, paint, package, & ship a physical figure... but I just 'ain't seing it in an online form.

*flabbergasted* :confused::o

[Saklas]

I'm sorry to say it, but bluntly, this is silly. NECA may lower the price if no one seems to be buying, but starting at about MSRP for physical boosters is not at all unexpected. Undercutting the physical game by too much would risk damaging sales of the physical game.

Not if done right.

I know playing and collecting clix is a lot different when you change mediums. When something is physical it should have worth because it costs money to buy the goods as well as manufacture. When it is digital, the material component is completely removed, so tell me why these two products have almost identical pricing when one costs substantially less to produce?

I see it as a complete sham. Price gouging to the extreme. We need to let them know and let them know early they can't continue with this. If they feel they can charge us anything, they will.

[EnergyShield]

I have no intentions of playing the online version.



I agree too.

[flatmatt]

Wha... What?? You *expected* them to price them the same cost as physical boosters?

Break that down for me, won't you? What costs would Wizkids have to charge $2.39 *per figure* in a virtual environment? I can see where the cost comes from to sculpt, mold, paint, package, & ship a physical figure... but I just 'ain't seing it in an online form.

*flabbergasted* :confused::o
Yes, I expected that online pricing could be in line with physical pricing. Having been a former Magic player and seeing the same complaints when Magic Online released its pricing structure, I believed that full MSRP was a likely place for HCO pricing to start. I did not say that this price will be successful, but it absolutely does not surprise me.

I'm not saying that the prices shouldn't be lowered. Obviously the cost of 5 physical HeroClix figures far outweighs that of 15 Magic cards. On the other hand you need about 35-40 different cards to build a single Magic Online deck, while only needing maybe 6 figures for most 300-point HCO teams. Regardless of all that, I don't think the current prices should come as a complete surprise to everyone.

[jackstar7]

No offense, but your attitude is the reason things are in a sorry state. People need to let companies know that if they want our business, they have to earn it by giving us quality product at fair pricing.

NECA doesn't deserve any of my money if they believe our fanbase are so obsessed we would pay outrageous amounts for limited utility digital goods. Twelve dollars a booster may be reasonable for plastic, but not for digital content.Do you realize one booster costs more than an iTunes album?

Yeah my attitude where I say 'if you don't like it, don't buy it' led the company to create a weak pricing model.

Thank goodness you didn't mean any offense, because I certainly might have taken some from your absurd reaction had you not started with that preface.

Good luck marshaling people to your cause. You've got the charisma of a Moe Howard working for ya.

[Saklas]

Yeah my attitude where I say 'if you don't like it, don't buy it' led the company to create a weak pricing model.

Thank goodness you didn't mean any offense, because I certainly might have taken some from your absurd reaction had you not started with that preface.

Good luck marshaling people to your cause. You've got the charisma of a Moe Howard working for ya.

You seem to think it's a sin to call for others of a like mind to band together in protest of what is, clearly, a poor move by a company that makes a game we love.

Your attitude is of apathy. For the record, you calling a boycott (a largely used and wholly effective means of sending a message to a corporation that their product needs review) "silly" is what's absurd here. You think my methods over-reacting but I call it the proper strategy to change things.

You fear taking initiative and bad mouth others with the guts. If you don't want to join my boycott, just don't! Form your own protest about my protest, do whatever you wish, just take it elsewhere for now. I don't want this argument to capture a thread meant to rally others and gauge opinion.

[mandoman10]

i mean, at least in this case, i think the market will work: people will just not pay for the online products (including those boycotting it) and they will have to lower prices if they want people to use it.

[gmastermcd]

Yes, I expected that online pricing could be in line with physical pricing. Having been a former Magic player and seeing the same complaints when Magic Online released its pricing structure, I believed that full MSRP was a likely place for HCO pricing to start. I did not say that this price will be successful, but it absolutely does not surprise me.

I'm not saying that the prices shouldn't be lowered. Obviously the cost of 5 physical HeroClix figures far outweighs that of 15 Magic cards. On the other hand you need about 35-40 different cards to build a single Magic Online deck, while only needing maybe 6 figures for most 300-point HCO teams. Regardless of all that, I don't think the current prices should come as a complete surprise to everyone.

I also was not surprised to see the price to be retail, I don't like it but am not surprised. Also with Magic online you can at least think "Sure I'm paying retail but if I get a whole set I can cash it in for a real set."

[Saklas]

i mean, at least in this case, i think the market will work: people will just not pay for the online products (including those boycotting it) and they will have to lower prices if they want people to use it.

Well the problem is they might just kill what is, I believe, a game that shows great promise, instead of lowering prices. My Boycott extends into all heroclix and I encourage others to join and let WK know that we do want HCO, just not at that price. And we won't stand for anything else if they want our money.

Of course things may all work out after a few days/weeks/months of low sales figures, but I'm not going to wait around.

[TODDRUSSELL]

So...I thought this would be a good model for them to follow:

I buy a real life Booster that has a code in the box that contains the script for its online counterpart, and receive those pieces online then. I also pay WIZKIDS a monthly subscription of like $15...OR you can just buy boosters online.
That way everyone wins.

[jackstar7]

You seem to think it's a sin to call for others of a like mind to band together in protest of what is, clearly, a poor move by a company that makes a game we love.

Your attitude is of apathy. For the record, you calling a boycott (a largely used and wholly effective means of sending a message to a corporation that their product needs review) "silly" is what's absurd here. You think my methods over-reacting but I call it the proper strategy to change things.

You fear taking initiative and bad mouth others with the guts. If you don't want to join my boycott, just don't! Form your own protest about my protest, do whatever you wish, just take it elsewhere for now. I don't want this argument to capture a thread meant to rally others and gauge opinion.

Gosh, thanks for telling me my fears and for making it clear that starting on online boycott takes guts. Oh, and that differing opinions aren't welcome in this public thread in a public forum.

Best of luck with the windmills.

[sengirv]

Best of luck with the windmills.

Normally I would agree with you on this one, but the recent change to allow the TRU exclusives in B&M stores because of all the anger expressed on these and other forums.

So it's not quite as absurd as you imply.

[jackstar7]

Normally I would agree with you on this one, but the recent change to allow the TRU exclusives in B&M stores because of all the anger expressed on these and other forums.

So it's not quite as absurd as you imply.

I'm not convinced that was a change... I think that was part of a plan. I find it unlikely they went back to their plants to make more for B&M shops. I think they had a number ready for TRU and then a lot more to sell after a set amount of time.

I could certainly be wrong... but I'm betting someone saw a way to spike demand and then provide supply. At least in this case of those TRU pieces.

[aqhoffman]

Damn right I am gonna boycott Heroclix products!
right up until the CPT America Gravity Feed comes out, then I won't buy nothin' until the CPT A expansion set comes out and the HoT Fast forces pack. But until then, I swear I won't be buying the JL, Avengers, GSX Superboosters, and WoS sitting on the shelves around here!

I got a problem, see.

(don't get my joking wrong. I am not doing HCO any more due to the cost and heavy handed method of dealing with the beta testers)

[Gradey]

IDK if i would even play HCO if i bought it. i have so many other graphically intense games i think this one would collect dust on the shelf. there is a place for heroclix. i dont think digital is it.

[Gradey]

So...I thought this would be a good model for them to follow:

I buy a real life Booster that has a code in the box that contains the script for its online counterpart, and receive those pieces online then. I also pay WIZKIDS a monthly subscription of like $15...OR you can just buy boosters online.
That way everyone wins.

i dont want to have to pay, to play with what i have already bought.

[Hellboy]

i mean, at least in this case, i think the market will work: people will just not pay for the online products (including those boycotting it) and they will have to lower prices if they want people to use it.

combine that with limited selection of primarily previously released sets on limited maps and the whole thing doesn't really seem worth it.

I certainly don't relish paying for every unit I already collected all over again, just so I can play in a limited Hammer-of-Thor-only environment. Even when they get around to adding Brave & the Bold, that's still not going to be that exciting, and I certainly don't relish recollecting that set. In fact those were among the strongest reasons I stopped beta testing: I got bored with the limited sets… If that's the case, I'm really not going to be interested in it in the long run, since that will mean recollecting everything in order to have the variety of choices I have now… and I don't think I ever will…#since the indications are that HCO will utilize Sets from HoT and forward.

but all of that is a collection of reasons why this is not a good fit for me. Someone who hasn't been collecting as long with more disposable income might not balk at the price scheme. (For me, it wouldn't matter unless the boosters cost 1/8 what physical ones do). This is a job for the invisible hand of the free market. If the service is inadequate, or the price too high, subscriber-ship will be low, and profits will suffer.

[Quebbster]

I know playing and collecting clix is a lot different when you change mediums. When something is physical it should have worth because it costs money to buy the goods as well as manufacture. When it is digital, the material component is completely removed, so tell me why these two products have almost identical pricing when one costs substantially less to produce?
Programmers don't work for free - there is most likely a fair amount of work in making sure a figure works the way it is supposed to in the digital environment.
I won't be playing online under the current pricing structure. I will keep collecting regular plastic crack though.

[Ignatz_Mouse]

If you think HCO is too expensive, don't buy it.

Boycotting all Wizkids products is counterproductive and silly. How will that lead to lower HCO prices? If it had any impact at all, it will just hurt the physical game and potentially drive up the price of that.

Silly boycott.

Hey Wizkids-- I'm not buying HCO becuase it's too expensive. That's all that needs to be said.

[Gradey]

what would Henry Rollins do? he would think. HCO and heroclix are 2 different things. will heroclix be affected by an HCO fail? not likely. i like the miniatures. i put them in a large sealed bucket for a few days pop the top and just breath in that fresh herocrack :confused: i dont need heroclix online. i can play the role of the character on DC Universe and Marvel Universe Free-to-Play is out next year. so y'all with dad's credit card can play with yourselves.

[tyroclix]

Heroclix Online is too expensive, everyone can see that. Playing full price for digital items is insanity.

I for one am calling a Boycott on all NECA/Wizkids products until they lower the price by at least 75%.

I really loved HCO despite the glitches, but I cannot abide by this.

Anyone joining me in this boycott please spread the word in your signature.

Why?

Anytime WK prices something I feel is unreasonable I don't buy it.

I didn't buy the Watchmen set.

I don't buy Super Boosters.

I won't buy HCOnline.

If I found the Watchmen set for $35, I'd consider it.

If I found Super Boosters for $15, I'd pick some up.

If HCOnline was $3 a booster, I'd probably play the game.

No need to boycott.

[spider_ham]

A reasonable subscription-based model would be welcome!

[captainamerica1987]

I've given up on them changing the price structure, so I just uninstalled it.

[squirecam]

I wont buy HCO boosters at "retail" prices.

But I'm not going to boycott the regular clix either.

[DemonRS]

Heroclix Online is too expensive, everyone can see that. Playing full price for digital items is insanity.

I for one am calling a Boycott on all NECA/Wizkids products until they lower the price by at least 75%.

I really loved HCO despite the glitches, but I cannot abide by this.

Anyone joining me in this boycott please spread the word in your signature.

Wouldn't boycotting the one thing that's wrong get the point across better than boycotting it all?

I'm just sayin..

[Bat-Phreak]

I agree with the overall sentiment, not surprised at the high MSRP but I will not buy digital products at the same price-point as the physical figs.

Likewise, monthly fees of any sort will likely drive me out of the HCO community.

I have not had a change to browse very thouroughly, but it appears WK/NECA/Icarus Studios intends to charge a fee to play in their sponsored tournaments. I can live with reasonably-priced pay-to-play, but not high prices for digital boosters and monthly fees.

[Granite Moose]

I wont buy HCO boosters at "retail" prices.

But I'm not going to boycott the regular clix either.

Yeah, this pretty much sums up my thoughts exactly. Kind of glad I didn't have a home computer available to take advantage of the beta testing for them if this was the end result.

[RampagingHulk]

I am new to this game, but even I know they are charging way too much :(

[Faster Than Flash]

Well they actually dropped the ball on the game itself.

They had 2 options:
1. Make the game as similar as possible to physical heroclix.
2. Make the game different.

Let's work backwards.

If the game had animations (I'm still surprised the figures slide)
If they removed the bases (why does my virtual thor need a clix base?)
If they added sound effects (when I smash ulik, I want to hear him moan)
If they added special effects (if I get a critical hit I want people to know about it)
If they streamlined the game (removing dice and having it auto calculate)
If they changed the rules so that they make sense (this was an opportunity for them to create new rules to a poorly ruled game. removing "actions", making things simple. Making someone in stealth actually ... stealthy)

But

Since they decided to mimic the table game:
This means that they cannot use the same pricing model as the game. Why? That's because it's a different market.
I would expect anyone who went to business school to know this.


I will give it to them though - they brainwashed most of their customers (and 99% of this site). They are selling a product in which you purchase before you know what it is. That's apple's style.

[konasavage]

I paid for about $30 worth of clixbux. So far it has let me buy two boosters for the Pestilence tournament (10 figs ) and all of the leftover I used to buy a bunch of figs from auctions. You can get Common/Uncommon figs for 3-8 Clixbux and it goes up a bit for Rare. I have compiled almost half of the set for that amount now and have clixbux left for tournaments and such. I have no desire to be a completist online, which is what I think is what most people want.

[_/\seis.MIC/\_]

I would pay a monthly fee to play ($10-12) if I was able to use ANY figure in existence. I would even pay a few bucks to "unlock" future sets.

OR

A lower monthly fee ($5-7) and I start with 6 sets (split between Modern and Golden Age) of my choosing, then pay a small fee ($5) to "unlock" other sets would be doable too. Tournaments that cost a few dollars, but would "unlock" a set or two for you should you win would be cool, too.

A system to purchase single figures (with a tier system, so that figures of the same "rarity" cost the same) would greatly enhance the experience. Purchasing figures in this fashion would cost you more in the long run, but if you only wanted a few figures from certain sets, you could do it.

What's in place NOW, though? No thanks. Of course, it's only the beta.

[darius_dax1]

Boycotts are dumb. Just don't buy HCOnline if you think it is too expensive...that's just letting the free market send a message to WizKids.

[Quebbster]

Well they actually dropped the ball on the game itself.

They had 2 options:
1. Make the game as similar as possible to physical heroclix.
2. Make the game different.

Let's work backwards.

If the game had animations (I'm still surprised the figures slide)
If they removed the bases (why does my virtual thor need a clix base?)
If they added sound effects (when I smash ulik, I want to hear him moan)
If they added special effects (if I get a critical hit I want people to know about it)
If they streamlined the game (removing dice and having it auto calculate)
If they changed the rules so that they make sense (this was an opportunity for them to create new rules to a poorly ruled game. removing "actions", making things simple. Making someone in stealth actually ... stealthy)

But

Since they decided to mimic the table game:
This means that they cannot use the same pricing model as the game. Why? That's because it's a different market.
I would expect anyone who went to business school to know this.


I will give it to them though - they brainwashed most of their customers (and 99% of this site). They are selling a product in which you purchase before you know what it is. That's apple's style.

Part of the problem is that WK has a license to make a miniatures game with DC and Marvel figures. They can't stray too far from these concepts since other compnaies hold licenses to make computer games with those very same characters.

[Timeshadow]

This is a post I placed in another thread that I thought might be worth placing here..

Let me start by saying I agree that the price per booster is a "bit" too high, I've always maintained that. That said I have chosen to pay the current prices and you know what? I have so far payed about 115$ for about 2 bricks (about 20 boosters) of product. I have almost compleated my set of HoT and I have 1800CB left in my account which equals about 90$. So in short I've payed 25$ for 2 bricks and a whole lot of fun. How you ask? The sealed tournaments give a huge payout! I have won 2 and placed in 2. I've also sold figures in the auction house I have dbls of or that I didn't want to get more CB. So in short how is this too expencive? Evin without the tournament wins you can nearly match the price of a booster with Auction sales of the right figures. I see the higher cost of boosters as the pool that all this prize support comes from. I know many ppl are gonna say "but I can't win tournaments" . Well my reply to that is just play more and you'll get good enough to at least place. To get a good constructed team in this game all you need to invest is about 12$. 2$ for starter and 10$ for 200CB for auction house and tournaments. Prime figures like Asguardien Warrior and Valkyrie are going for about 40CB tops. If your good at this game....and I know many of you ppl who are complaining are "VERY" good at this game you can eaisly make back most of your investment to use for the next set. JUST PLAY AND HAVE FUN!!! Sheesh it's a game. You can choose to invest a few bucks and play ANYTIME you want or you can complain. It's your choice. By the way I know for a fact I'm not the only one who's made significant returns in CB for there investemnt just ask around online you'll be suprised.

[ccs]

I've yet to have any intention of ever playing HCO.

So I see no reason for me to boycot the companies physical products over what they do with a digital one.

[songwriterz]

Heroclix Online is too expensive, everyone can see that. Playing full price for digital items is insanity.

I for one am calling a Boycott on all NECA/Wizkids products until they lower the price by at least 75%.

I really loved HCO despite the glitches, but I cannot abide by this.

Anyone joining me in this boycott please spread the word in your signature.

Who are you and why do we care?

I love Clix. I'm not boycotting my favorite game because YOU don't like the prices. I tried HCO - didn't like it - won't play it. But there is no way I'm going to stop playing Real Heroclix because you or anyone else doesn't like the cost of Virtual Clix.

Seriously, you think the world revolves around you and your opinion and your pocket book to the point where the rest of us are supposed to give up our game FOR YOU?

You are either delusional or very bad at crafting sarcastic, not-to-be-taken seriously threads.

If you don't like the cost - then don't pay it.

[drfate98]

Don't care much about HCO prices, so that's my "boycott". I care a lot about Heroclix real pieces, so it would be insane to let HCO prices affect my real interest. Just bought Captain America, intend to buy more of Superman.

[hanzoslash]

I will give it to them though - they brainwashed most of their customers (and 99% of this site). They are selling a product in which you purchase before you know what it is. That's apple's style.

Not sure what you mean by this statement. I know when I buy a booster of heroclix there will be heroclix in the box.

As far as boycotting NECA, nah.

I plan to not support HCO by not spending money on it. It is as simple as that. Even if they made it super cheap, it will still take away money I could have spent on more real Heroclix or at least a real video game (I need a 3DS).

[xlii]

I'd be interested in playing HCO if it was cheaper. I'm not going to stop buying plastic clix because the digital ones are too pricey.
Maybe we'll see something like what DC is doing with digital comics. The new set is the same as the physical product price, but it drops over time. I'd love to see the ability to go in and buy specific figures or specific rarities of older sets, keep the new ones in blind boosters if they want to. I assume they'll try out some different pricing models because no one I'm hearing from seems to think the same as physical pricing will work out.
That said, saying you'll never play the game because this is where they started pricing it just seems stubborn. If WK realizes they're missing you as a customer and switches to a new pricing model, then why not play?


I will give it to them though - they brainwashed most of their customers (and 99% of this site). They are selling a product in which you purchase before you know what it is. That's apple's style.

Seriously?

I will happily argue this with you until I turn blue over PM, but how the heck can you compare selling a random blind booster of a collectible product to selling high-end consumer electronics?

Or is it just that anyone you don't agree with must be brainwashed? Because everyone but you is a sheep?

[Hellboy]

I just hope that we'll still get an accessible opportunity to acquire the horsemen figures.

I had to work all weekend, and didn't have the cash for this "announced three days before it happened" chance to win those figures, something I would not have been guaranteed to do even if I had been able to play.

So i really hope this was not what they meant when they said we'd all get a chance to get these figures before the end of the year.

I don't play HCO. I have no clixbux. I work over the weekend out of the house…

Pretty much the same as not being able to attend Origins or place in the World's Championship.

[theharpiece]

you will have a chance at the War figure, as I will be placing mine on E-bay promptly when it arrives at my house...

[TODDRUSSELL]

you will have a chance at the War figure, as I will be placing mine on E-bay promptly when it arrives at my house...

id hold off till after gencon...something tells me they wont be there and a lot of ppl think they will be there...thus driving price

[Miket69]

Signed. It's baffling that they haven't changed this yet (not that they can now since "people" have invested in virtual clix). I gave them a week to change it but they didn't. Came back now to see if they've changed but they didn't so yeah. Signed.

Edit: Didn't really read the first post. I just want to boycott the game I doubt enough people would stop buying clix for it to have a noticeable effect. I really do wish they'd do something but they've painted themselves into a corner then painted over their feet.

[Hellboy]

quick get your Tramadol~!

It's prescribed for online clix pricing rage treatment~!

[minideadpool]

Do people still play the online version? Never hear much about it. You would think they would be pushing new stuff for it all the time.

[WestCoastAvengers]

HCO is dead.

[traxlenak]

it would be cool if I could afford this.

[Zatara55]

Do people still play the online version? Never hear much about it. You would think they would be pushing new stuff for it all the time.

I think it's lost a lot of steam. I'm kind of sick of playing the HoT pieces myself. As a measure of good faith they could release some other figs for a low price, just to keep the game going.

[weezer_10]

HCO is dead.
Dead before it even lived.

It could live if they changed the pricing structure. That's all what it comes down to.

[Zatara55]

Assuming nothing changes and the online game just goes away......what happens to the non-online game? WK must have put X amount of money into the developement of this. I'm sure they had a business planned with expected revenue. If they can't recover from this will they have to sell off the Heroclix line? I just can't see that there won't be some kind of financial fall out from all this.

[tyroman]

Assuming nothing changes and the online game just goes away......what happens to the non-online game? WK must have put X amount of money into the developement of this. I'm sure they had a business planned with expected revenue. If they can't recover from this will they have to sell off the Heroclix line? I just can't see that there won't be some kind of financial fall out from all this.
eh, it'll be the first of many failures. WK had a lot of old games that died on the vine as well. High Stakes Drifter (i actually liked this game), Shadowlands (?), MBL, and i can't think of the others off top of my head, but the old WKs had lots of failures before folding. so we're good with this one tanking. :p sounds like they just need to re-adjust the vitural fig cost and this 'boycott' would be removed. :p

[Hellboy]

Dead before it even lived.

It could live if they changed the pricing structure. That's all what it comes down to.

that and offer more units to play.

If there were a weekly release of select Golden Age figures to supplement the game, that would go a long way to making it less boring. How many times can you play "Hammer of Thor Online" before you get tired of it? I played in a crap-ton of sealed events when that set came out, and got tired of it then.

[Hellboy]

Assuming nothing changes and the online game just goes away......what happens to the non-online game? WK must have put X amount of money into the developement of this. I'm sure they had a business planned with expected revenue. If they can't recover from this will they have to sell off the Heroclix line? I just can't see that there won't be some kind of financial fall out from all this.

I doubt that.

they still can't hit the supply mark with new sets. Superman has sold out in advance just like the last three sets, with each set printing larger runs. Gencon was swarmed with interest in the game. If the Online game fails, They might sell off the digital game developing company they acquired, but they'd be insane to sell off the Heroclix IP with the out of control success it's experiencing nowadays.

[wolviefreak]

Change the structure of the game...obviously the online game, making people pay for every clix/set wasn't going to work.

Why not sell the game as a stand alone game, release it with near all the sets, make people buy the new sets for a reasonable price (say, $10-20 a set). Can still make the game multi-player too

If they did this, I'd pay $50-60 for the game and $10-20 for each new(er) set....no problem.

They TOTALLY dropped the ball. Their marketing people, some of them, aren't very bright.

[HellComesToFrogtown]

well if ur good player u can buy the min. clix bux ,then win the tournys,you will win more clix buxs so you dont have to buy any more its working out for me. play the tournys for real prizes like for war,......that way you will have a way to get a real prize for your money plus you will get most of ur clix buxs back for wining so if ur any good you can keep the price down now if you suck that when its to much because you cant win

[Hellboy]

Change the structure of the game...obviously the online game, making people pay for every clix/set wasn't going to work.

Why not sell the game as a stand alone game, release it with near all the sets, make people buy the new sets for a reasonable price (say, $10-20 a set). Can still make the game multi-player too

If they did this, I'd pay $50-60 for the game and $10-20 for each new(er) set....no problem.

They TOTALLY dropped the ball. Their marketing people, some of them, aren't very bright.

they obviously were following the model of Magic Online, where the digital cards maintain the rarity of the physical ones, and I can understand that… but starting with only the one expansion, and charging such a high price for the virtual versions is a bit short-sighted.

I maintain that what they need is to roll out little expansions from Golden age sets, maybe even choosing little themes to feature, and releasing them minimum, once a month. If they did that, players would be on the edge of their seats waiting for their favorites, and the metagame online would change frequently.

another tactic would be to release hard to get figures from the past virtually. Couldn't get the Superman Chase figures from Crisis? what if their online rarity were uncommon instead of chase, and you actually got a chance to play with them for once?

there's a lot that could be done… but will any of it get done, and will it be in time to save the venture?

[wintremute]

HCO is dead.

You don't have to be so smug about it.

[Miket69]

You don't have to be so smug about it.

He was just stating a fact dude.

[NoGoCat]

HCO is dead.

Its not dead. Like all those no longer in production games as long as people are playing they are not dead. There are like 10 people playing HCO all over the world. Its not dead. Its dead only if WK turn off the servers.

**you can take my comment as it is written or as sarcasm** :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[TODDRUSSELL]

Yeah I tried to play a game last night... SO SICK of hammer of thor... bleh!

[Timeshadow]

I hate to say it but I agree that I am sick of HoT. Once they release some new stuff I'll play more but until then I'm just logging in several times a day to see what's up and play the odd tournament. It's sad really. I'm one of their most staunch supporters and I'm evin sick of HoT. New pieces will save the game (evin at the current prices).

[ZeroFear1]

Its not dead. Like all those no longer in production games as long as people are playing they are not dead. There are like 10 people playing HCO all over the world. Its not dead. Its dead only if WK turn off the servers.

**you can take my comment as it is written or as sarcasm** :laugh::laugh::laugh:

Whopping 10 people. :laugh:

[ZeroFear1]

You don't have to be so smug about it.

HCO is dead.

[captainamerica72]

It seems to be dying. I'm not happy about it. Because I don't think its dying because of the price, I think its dying because they are half-assing it. Still no new figures, bugs still screwing up tournaments, they are two problems I see. And the player base is dwindling because of it.

[weezer_10]

Is it just me or is this section of the forums "shrinking"?

[clameire]

The death of this too much expensive game is a victory of the customers over the foolish company who believed they could rip us of our money.

I'm glad.

[jiggle_billy]

The death of this too much expensive game is a victory of the customers over the foolish company who believed they could rip us of our money.

I'm glad.

See for me this statement is completely false and 100% the opposite of my experience.

I gave the game a chance, and have been playing semi-regularly over the past month. Through playing I have a complete set of HoT including both chases, and I've made back all the money I spent initially to get started. heck, I've made almost $50 worth of clixbux on top of what I spent

Also, most complainers about price always gloss over or flat out ignore people who mention the auction house.

You can get all CUR figs there from .10 to 2.00 max except for cap and venom which go for higher. You can also get any sr from 4 - 12 depending on which one.

Bottom line, yes booster prices are high. However, there are so many ways to make back or simply get figs for less that complainers have very little to argue about

[NoGoCat]

See for me this statement is completely false and 100% the opposite of my experience.

I gave the game a chance, and have been playing semi-regularly over the past month. Through playing I have a complete set of HoT including both chases, and I've made back all the money I spent initially to get started. heck, I've made almost $50 worth of clixbux on top of what I spent

Also, most complainers about price always gloss over or flat out ignore people who mention the auction house.

You can get all CUR figs there from .10 to 2.00 max except for cap and venom which go for higher. You can also get any sr from 4 - 12 depending on which one.

Bottom line, yes booster prices are high. However, there are so many ways to make back or simply get figs for less that complainers have very little to argue about

When you only have 1 set to collect, the prices tends to go way down in the secondary market because all 10 of you probably have the whole sent and probably multiples of each. For every 1 of you that has made your money back just think how many hasn't and already left the game because it cost them too much. Like a pyramid, there can only be a few at the top and massive amount of others below them to support them. But now it probably looks more like a column than a pyramid with the amount of players left.

[eMouse]

I find the suggestion to boycott something over its price to be hilarious.

"I can't buy it! So I'm going to protest by not buying it!"

If the prices are too high, they'll see a lack of sales, a sort of boycott, if you will. An organized boycott really isn't necessary. I'm not even sure if it's actually possible.

[jiggle_billy]

When you only have 1 set to collect, the prices tends to go way down in the secondary market because all 10 of you probably have the whole sent and probably multiples of each. For every 1 of you that has made your money back just think how many hasn't and already left the game because it cost them too much. Like a pyramid, there can only be a few at the top and massive amount of others below them to support them. But now it probably looks more like a column than a pyramid with the amount of players left.

The fact that there is 1 set still doesn't change the fact that prices for the figures available are very reasonable.

Isn't the seemingly "ridiculous" pricing of HCOnline the whole crux of the naysayers argument?

I mean is there really a counter for what i've posted?

[ramonhodges]

See for me this statement is completely false and 100% the opposite of my experience.

I gave the game a chance, and have been playing semi-regularly over the past month. Through playing I have a complete set of HoT including both chases, and I've made back all the money I spent initially to get started. heck, I've made almost $50 worth of clixbux on top of what I spent

Also, most complainers about price always gloss over or flat out ignore people who mention the auction house.

You can get all CUR figs there from .10 to 2.00 max except for cap and venom which go for higher. You can also get any sr from 4 - 12 depending on which one.

Bottom line, yes booster prices are high. However, there are so many ways to make back or simply get figs for less that complainers have very little to argue about
This right here. I played a sealed last weekend and had a GREAT time, even if it was with HoT pieces. I placed second, winning back the bux I put in for the 2 boosters, so I broke even. I'm considering entering a constructed soon, just to see what happens. Also, I hit the auction house and spent just a few bux, and got a handful of figs I really wanted. I absolutely can't wait till GSX hits HCO... :knockedou

[sniksder]

I mean is there really a counter for what i've posted?


Yes NoGoCat posts hits the nail dead on.

With less people buying what is for sale in the AH, the price goes down, less people playing so less people willing to pay high prices for virtual figs.

And crow all you want about making money back, which in reality you have not, you are not playing with "Real" money you are playing with Wizkids fake money (they are not going to let you exchange CB's for REAL money and send it to you), if they decide the game is a fail (which right now it is) and close down the game, guess what you LOSE all the CB's you have now, you don't have any figs. that you can take to a venue to play that you bought with CB's and you surely will not get back any REAL money you used to buy the over priced virtual boosters and bricks.

[traxlenak]

It seems to be dying. I'm not happy about it. Because I don't think its dying because of the price, I think its dying because they are half-assing it. Still no new figures, bugs still screwing up tournaments, they are two problems I see. And the player base is dwindling because of it.

It is dying because of the price.

And it is dying because they give clixbux to people who can win the tournament. Out of 30 people, 2 people are going to consistently win and "make back" their money (they don't actually make money, they just get to play more of the game).

The other 28 people are figuring out that they keep paying $20 to play a couple of heroclix games online where they can't even enjoy using their own collection.

Eventually it will be those 2 people, which I assume won't be able to play tournaments by themselves, sitting in the chat window, deciding if they want to play their 3 copies of Thor/Loki vs the other's 3 copies of Odin or they want to just play their 300 point armies consisting of all Thor, frog of thunders.

That is, unless the price point changes.

Because it is all about price, unfortunately.

[jiggle_billy]

thanks for teaching me supply vs demand.

You still didn't counter my post that as of this moment getting into HCO is quite affordable.

Isn't price what this whole thread is about? I didn't realize paying .10 to 2 bucks for most figs to be something shockinly expensive.

I wasn't bragging at all about what i've 'made' playing hco. I was illustrating the point that it's not hard to acquire figs cheaply in a number of ways. Winning CB is one of them.


I also realize that if the game goes down I lose my virtual collection (good thing I already have a complete set of HoT as well :) ). This logic is flawed though.

My HCO collection may be virtual and at the the end of the day if the game goes offline i'll have nothing to show for it.

However, i'll tell you in this past month I've played about 2 games of clix at least every other day, at pretty much any time I want to play. Can you say the same?


If I keep applying your logic to my everyday life,

should I stop going with my wife to the movies? $25 bucks and I only get to watch it once. I should wait for the DVD, same price but i get to keep it.

Should I have not gone to the Foo Fighters concert last week? I mean it cost me $60 bucks, should I have just got the album so I could have something to keep?



Yes NoGoCat posts hits the nail dead on.

With less people buying what is for sale in the AH, the price goes down, less people playing so less people willing to pay high prices for virtual figs.

And crow all you want about making money back, which in reality you have not, you are not playing with "Real" money you are playing with Wizkids fake money (they are not going to let you exchange CB's for REAL money and send it to you), if they decide the game is a fail (which right now it is) and close down the game, guess what you LOSE all the CB's you have now, you don't have any figs. that you can take to a venue to play that you bought with CB's and you surely will not get back any REAL money you used to buy the over priced virtual boosters and bricks.

[jiggle_billy]

It is dying because of the price.

And it is dying because they give clixbux to people who can win the tournament. Out of 30 people, 2 people are going to consistently win and "make back" their money (they don't actually make money, they just get to play more of the game).

The other 28 people are figuring out that they keep paying $20 to play a couple of heroclix games online where they can't even enjoy using their own collection.

Eventually it will be those 2 people, which I assume won't be able to play tournaments by themselves, sitting in the chat window, deciding if they want to play their 3 copies of Thor/Loki vs the other's 3 copies of Odin or they want to just play their 300 point armies consisting of all Thor, frog of thunders.

That is, unless the price point changes.

Because it is all about price, unfortunately.

Spoken by someone who obviously hasn't played.

your typcal 8-man sealed [entry fee 478cb(about $24)]

1st place gets 700cb ($35), money back plus extra
2nd gets 480 ($24), essentially their money back
3rd gets 240 ($12), 1 pack free
4th gets 240 ($12), 1 pack free.

So if you enter an 8 man sealed you have 50% odds of getting something in addition to your figures that you pull and get to keep.

That's a far cry from 30 people playing and having the top 2 getting something.

[jiggle_billy]

Bottom line, yes booster prices are high. However, there are so many ways to make back or simply get figs for less that complainers have very little to argue about

just in case people think i'm just being a pollyanna, or a blind fanboy

[sniksder]

just in case people think i'm just being a pollyanna, or a blind fanboy

LOL, no you are proving what you are by defending the current pricing system.

Doesn't really matter, if they don't lower the prices game is dead, no matter how many sets they release, 99% of players will not spend the same price for a virtual product when they can spend the same money on real clixs and when they want, sell them either here on this site or ebay or wherever and get REAL money back not worthless CB's.

And yes i can say i can play 2 games a night if i so please, more if it pleases me, thank you.

[jiggle_billy]

LOL, no you are proving what you are by defending the current pricing system.

Doesn't really matter, if they don't lower the prices game is dead, no matter how many sets they release, 99% of players will not spend the same price for a virtual product when they can spend the same money on real clixs and when they want, sell them either here on this site or ebay or wherever and get REAL money back not worthless CB's.

And yes i can say i can play 2 games a night if i so please, more if it pleases me, thank you.

Well I guess we can just agree to disagree.

I have conceded that booster prices are expensive and I would personally love for them to go down in price (around 8-10), why would anyone rather pay more than less?


however, naysayers such as yourself have never conceded about the positives of HCO and even after these 2 replys to my posts, you still haven't acknowledged that you can get into HCO for reasonable, affordable costs through other means (such as the AH, or winning CB)


Hopefully if they lower prices you will be inclined to give it a try, but for me i'm having lots of fun (i'm actually about to play in a tourney in a bit)


I think i've gotten my point across in this thread, so I don't see the need for another response for this particular thread/subject.

so take care

[tyroclix]

however, naysayers such as yourself have never conceded about the positives of HCO and even after these 2 replys to my posts, you still haven't acknowledged that you can get into HCO for reasonable, affordable costs through other means (such as the AH, or winning CB)


I think the problem with your "Winning makes it more affordable" theory is it only applies to good players, players who master the interface, and players who use optimal builds.

The players who are the casual players are the ones who are paying for your fun. You need those players to join so you can take their money and at that price it's not an incentive to do so.

So yes, for the right player you can get others to pay for your game. If you are not in that group immediately it's a non-starter.

[sniksder]

however, naysayers such as yourself have never conceded about the positives of HCO and even after these 2 replys to my posts, you still haven't acknowledged that you can get into HCO for reasonable, affordable costs through other means (such as the AH, or winning CB)

You so funny, yes there are positives, but too many negatives for me to put in any more money than I have, the ends results do not justify giving Wizkids more money for virtual figs..


I think i've gotten my point across in this thread, so I don't see the need for another response for this particular thread/subject.

so take care

And yes your point of that you can afford to pay the higher online price than the real life boosters as been gotten (by the way I could afford to spend the money too, but overpriced is overpriced and paying that amount is not a smart money choice).

Great cause another person kissing Wizkids butt is really annoying, and the less of you the better ;)

[filmgilbert]

I hear a lot about this subject. Even in the HCO lobby we talk about it a lot. Here is the opinion I've come to hold:
1) I'm not sure that it's fair to say that the online figures have an initial cost only. I believe it quite expensive to not only code each fig (the initial cost) but the maintenance of the site as well.
2) Since one of heroclix's main draws is the collectible, exclusivity of the figs, a monthly fee with access to all the content would completely undermine this. AND lowering the price significantly. For examle: The 2.95 fee for the game come with the FF starter set (which I believe in real life is like 22$ or something) and this lowering of the cost and influx of figs has dropped the price of these pieces so much they are not worth more than 10CB in auction (.5$).
3) The economy of the HCO world is completely different than the physical. There is a lot a CB (clixbux) given out in daily tournaments. The figs in the auction house are substantially cheaper. This makes your money go further than in real life (even if the boosters cost retail).
4) I've, honestly, only put in about 70$. From that initial cost, I've been able to get every fig but thorbuster, have a decent tournament rating, and now have 3800+ CB (about $190 worth) and Two gencon exclusive physical figs. I understand I'm sorta the exception, I've gotten pretty lucky. But from that one time fee, I should be able to continue into a couple more sets without having to pay anymore.
5) But, even though this online economy is very different, it still scares people away, I get that. I wonder if there could be a larger fee to buy the game (say 35$) BUT with that you get the starter, two boosters, and 100CB to spend in auctions.

Thanks for reading. I hope this makes sense. Just wanted to give my perspective from someone in the system =).
Later.

[squirecam]

I hear a lot about this subject. Even in the HCO lobby we talk about it a lot. Here is the opinion I've come to hold:
1) I'm not sure that it's fair to say that the online figures have an initial cost only. I believe it quite expensive to not only code each fig (the initial cost) but the maintenance of the site as well.

2) Since one of heroclix's main draws is the collectible, exclusivity of the figs, a monthly fee with access to all the content would completely undermine this. AND lowering the price significantly. For examle: The 2.95 fee for the game come with the FF starter set (which I believe in real life is like 22$ or something) and this lowering of the cost and influx of figs has dropped the price of these pieces so much they are not worth more than 10CB in auction (.5$).



The actual physical figure game is collectable. That collection NEVER goes away, even if the game does.

The online collection ceases to exist the minute the servers go down. How can I have a "collection" which expires at the whim of another? Why pay FULL PRICE for that when I can get the same real figure that wont go away.

As to the FF figures prices...I agree. Thats what the majority of people want. CHEAP figures


3) The economy of the HCO world is completely different than the physical. There is a lot a CB (clixbux) given out in daily tournaments. The figs in the auction house are substantially cheaper. This makes your money go further than in real life (even if the boosters cost retail).
4) I've, honestly, only put in about 70$. From that initial cost, I've been able to get every fig but thorbuster, have a decent tournament rating, and now have 3800+ CB (about $190 worth) and Two gencon exclusive physical figs. I understand I'm sorta the exception, I've gotten pretty lucky. But from that one time fee, I should be able to continue into a couple more sets without having to pay anymore.
5) But, even though this online economy is very different, it still scares people away, I get that. I wonder if there could be a larger fee to buy the game (say 35$) BUT with that you get the starter, two boosters, and 100CB to spend in auctions.

Thanks for reading. I hope this makes sense. Just wanted to give my perspective from someone in the system =).
Later.

Yes, the economy is different. Which is why using REAL WORLD prices is such a sham.

Moreover the game offers nothing for casual players. Unless they want to risk clixbucks to "win" more in tournaments, they wont make any money. They buy your figs at auction, so you are happy, but what about them?

[Zatara55]

While it's true that there are many figs way cheaper on auction, you still need someone to buy the initial boosters. This is true with the phyical game. Players buy brick after brick to get the SRs and chases, then they sell the leftovers on Ebay. I don't know that we have enough people on here that are going to buy that same volume.

[sniksder]

While it's true that there are many figs way cheaper on auction, you still need someone to buy the initial boosters. This is true with the phyical game. Players buy brick after brick to get the SRs and chases, then they sell the leftovers on Ebay. I don't know that we have enough people on here that are going to buy that same volume.


Your not, not now, not ever, you are never ever ever going to make back any $$ you spent, collect all the CB's you want and crow about it (not you Z55 in particular), the fact is even if you have 1,000,000,00 CB's Wizkids is never going to convert it to real world $$ and send it to you.

Some don't like going to a monthly fee, but if there was a monthly of between $10-$15 and you made all figs accessible to all players, you would see a sharp increase in players playing, go ahead and charge for constructed and sealeds tournaments with LE's and boosters as prizes,players would have the option of doing that or creating a game and playing for the true fun of the game.

Then with every release of a new set, you charge $30-$50 for that set and again players have the option of buying the new expansion or not, not would to get the figs.

[captainamerica72]

The death of this too much expensive game is a victory of the customers over the foolish company who believed they could rip us of our money.

I'm glad.

I think this attitude sucks. You know why? Because I am a customer as well, and I like HCO. Just because you don't like the price of the game, that doesn't make it a rip-off. You know exactly what you are getting, and the price is plainly stated,

I don't know what people expected the price to be. I haven't played a ton of online collectible games, but everyone I have played, the price is always near or the same as for the real item. And its not people complaining about the price that bother me. I don't like the price, but again, what did you expect? Its rooting for the failure of something I have payed to play. Because you don't like it? Thats what most people seem to do today, complain and root for failure.

And I know someone will call me an idiot for paying to play it. But here is the deal. I like it. I am at a point in my life where I can throw some money away on things that I like. Heroclix is the only game I play. I play withone other person, my friend. And while we both enjoy the games, we both like the idea of competing against other people. So please tell me how I am an idiot for spending money on something I enjoy and get entertainment value out of?

And I disagree with the poster who said its the same people in the tourneys. Sure, there are a lot of repeats, but I have seen new people recently. I have never played in a HC tourney before HCO, and several of the players are more experienced then I am (plus me and my friend always played 600 pt games). And I have done well, and won a few tourneys here and there.

Rant over. Oh, and I play as ThatsHowDeadpoolRolls.

[sniksder]

Different online games have different types of players, bad news for HCO is that the majority of Heroclix players have decided not to pay the price.

Cap if you and others have no issue paying those prices, good for you and i hope you get all the enjoyment you can for as long or short the game lasts.

Wizkids refusal to say anything on this (yes I know someone posted they are reading the comments) goes a long way of letting me know, they have no plans to lower the price and thats bad news for you and the small group of others who play, cause at some point they will have to pull the plug if they don't revise their prices.

[weezer_10]

Different online games have different types of players, bad news for HCO is that the majority of Heroclix players have decided not to pay the price.

Cap if you and others have no issue paying those prices, good for you and i hope you get all the enjoyment you can for as long or short the game lasts.

Wizkids refusal to say anything on this (yes I know someone posted they are reading the comments) goes a long way of letting me know, they have no plans to lower the price and thats bad news for you and the small group of others who play, cause at some point they will have to pull the plug if they don't revise their prices.
Agreed; this is all that it comes down to.

Unfortunately whatever pros the game has is heavily outweighed by what players are being asked to pay.

I too was excited about the game when I came across it, but after buying a starter pack, two boosters, playing a few rounds, and then only thinking about what it was going to cost me to buy sets/boosters of preference and build a reasonable online collection, I stopped. I vowed I could never play HCO unless the pricing structure was changed significantly.

The fate of this game will be determined solely by its customers (or lack thereof).

[sniksder]

The fate of this game will be determined solely by its customers (or lack thereof).

Well tech. it will be determined by Wizkids and their age old stubbornness to not listen to their customers.

[weezer_10]

Well tech. it will be determined by Wizkids and their age old stubbornness to not listen to their customers.
... Technically. ;)

[Goose]

I was very much looking forward to this. I stumbled upon it when i was looking up something completly different and was excited to see. I quit playing actively about 4 years ago and was looking forward to at least getting to play again.

Unfortunately for me, the price system is just a little higher than what i expected it to be. I just dont have the time or money to invest in a digital product that I can never hold.

[minideadpool]

I for one really hope they find a way to fix the pricing. Seems like so much fun. There should be an additional incentive for people to buy packs too worked in, in some fasion. In world of warcraft they had loot cards that could be redeemed online for mounts and trinkets. Better customer service would always help too lol.

[BaconTorpedo]

Where the heck are "newbs" supposed to post? I just want an answer to the question "Is Deadpool from GSX and Cable from GSX a good 300 pt team?"

[FreefallGeek]

When HCO was announced, I was really excited. I was imagining constructing teams of the figures I already own and playing them against fresh new "faces" out there on the web.

When I determined that you had to buy "digital boosters" and saw the associated price, I closed the tab and never gave it a second thought.

Now if they asked me to pay a monthly fee ($5-10 would be reasonable), and made all characters accessible for "sandbox games" I would immediately jump in and probably be on every evening. If they then sold "competition" boosters for tournament and "ranked" play (preferably at about 25-50% of "real" booster prices)... well then, I think you've successfully suckered me out of a monthly fee and the occasional booster.

Those of us wanting to play friendly matches with sandbox teams get to do so, those people wanting to participate in competition get to do so. They get my money, I get to play heroclix online, everyone wins. As it stands, the value of digital boosters is far outstripped by the hit to my wallet.

[5ohClix]

Where the heck are "newbs" supposed to post? I just want an answer to the question "Is Deadpool from GSX and Cable from GSX a good 300 pt team?"


Ummm, did you even bother to look around the forums before you posted?

http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=49

[Quebbster]

Where the heck are "newbs" supposed to post? I just want an answer to the question "Is Deadpool from GSX and Cable from GSX a good 300 pt team?"

Ummm, did you even bother to look around the forums before you posted?

http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=49

This one's even better! (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=52)

[gmastermcd]

Spoken by someone who obviously hasn't played.

your typcal 8-man sealed [entry fee 478cb(about $24)]

1st place gets 700cb ($35), money back plus extra
2nd gets 480 ($24), essentially their money back
3rd gets 240 ($12), 1 pack free
4th gets 240 ($12), 1 pack free.

So if you enter an 8 man sealed you have 50% odds of getting something in addition to your figures that you pull and get to keep.

That's a far cry from 30 people playing and having the top 2 getting something.

If you play in an 8 man sealed with the numbers as stated, you collectively have a 100% chance to loss 2164 CB

[Timeshadow]

Don't forget regardless of win or loss you get the 2 boosters of figures so you can almost always get your money back in the auction house or trade them. Noone looses money in a sealed everyone gets what they pay for plus any extra winnings from the tournament.

[tyroclix]

Don't forget regardless of win or loss you get the 2 boosters of figures so you can almost always get your money back in the auction house or trade them. Noone looses money in a sealed everyone gets what they pay for plus any extra winnings from the tournament.

How much of an issue is stalling and running?

It seems this type of approach would lead to that kind of gameplay - which, again, having it cost so much and not having any fun would be yet another reason I won't even drop $1.95 on the starter.

[sniksder]

How much of an issue is stalling and running?

It seems this type of approach would lead to that kind of gameplay - which, again, having it cost so much and not having any fun would be yet another reason I won't even drop $1.95 on the starter.

Well Chris, Friday night was home alone, so i thought what the hell, spent the $25 and entered a sealed, you know I love the sealed.

Actually got a decent pull and used Sif, Fandral, And Volstagg, first game won and really no stalling, passed on a couple of turns trying to get the other player to make moves first, I had no range he a couple of RS'ers.

Second game again no stalling and once his Beta Ray Bill got smacked game was mostly over.

So I guess stalling really depends on who you are playing and how bad they want to win.

[Zatara55]

I had an idea about stalling. At some point, the game ends your turn if you're idle for too long. I would like a feature that would give players an option to pass but still let you take the maximum time off the clock.

I'm not trying to condone stalling. I personally hate it. But if they are going to have prizes like the convention exclusives we're going to see more of this, and it's no fun sitting in front of your screen for five minutes while your opponent runs out the clock. Also I would rather have the game based on turns rather than a timer. Each player would get ten turns.

[Saklas]

To chime in after a long absence, I believe the best route they could take would be a monthly pay to play fee which gives you access to so many boosters a month with the option of buying additional boosters at will.

$10-15/mo. = 2 free boosters (or one starter of your choice once they add more sets).

Plus additional boosters at $3-4 ea. Starters at $6-8 ea.

These are the minimums I think they could afford to charge and the maximums I would pay.

[TwoToedSloth]

Don't forget regardless of win or loss you get the 2 boosters of figures so you can almost always get your money back in the auction house or trade them. Noone looses money in a sealed everyone gets what they pay for plus any extra winnings from the tournament.

Seriously? You get back 480 clixbux at the auction house on average? Do you pull Frog of Thor every game? You could probably make a sound argument for being able to get back 200 clixbux from your 2 boosters, but anything else is probably misleading...:ermm:

[Timeshadow]

Seriously? You get back 480 clixbux at the auction house on average? Do you pull Frog of Thor every game? You could probably make a sound argument for being able to get back 200 clixbux from your 2 boosters, but anything else is probably misleading...:ermm:

Well HoT is a bad example currently as it's flooded but when the game first started payed it was common to make your money back from a a pair of boosters on average if you sold everything, and if you got a good SR or a god pack you made out like a bandit. When a new set releases the auction house prices will be back to "normal" but I agree for now you are lucky to make back half the cost. Ether way you don't loose your money when you play sealed you get the 2 boosters that you payed for and the oppertunity to win more.

[TwoToedSloth]

Well HoT is a bad example currently as it's flooded but when the game first started payed it was common to make your money back from a a pair of boosters on average if you sold everything, and if you got a good SR or a god pack you made out like a bandit. When a new set releases the auction house prices will be back to "normal" but I agree for now you are lucky to make back half the cost. Ether way you don't loose your money when you play sealed you get the 2 boosters that you payed for and the oppertunity to win more.

Well you said that comment yesterday and Hot currently is the ONLY set you can buy...so there is no other "normal." This set is the current and only benchmark... :ermm:

[clameire]

Rant over. Oh, and I play as ThatsHowDeadpoolRolls.

I believe there is a place in your profile when you can put your HCO login in so that appears next to your posts.

[clameire]

When HCO was announced, I was really excited. I was imagining constructing teams of the figures I already own and playing them against fresh new "faces" out there on the web.

When I determined that you had to buy "digital boosters" and saw the associated price, I closed the tab and never gave it a second thought.

Now if they asked me to pay a monthly fee ($5-10 would be reasonable), and made all characters accessible for "sandbox games" I would immediately jump in and probably be on every evening. If they then sold "competition" boosters for tournament and "ranked" play (preferably at about 25-50% of "real" booster prices)... well then, I think you've successfully suckered me out of a monthly fee and the occasional booster.

Those of us wanting to play friendly matches with sandbox teams get to do so, those people wanting to participate in competition get to do so. They get my money, I get to play heroclix online, everyone wins. As it stands, the value of digital boosters is far outstripped by the hit to my wallet.

That pretty well sums up what i think and what were my thoughts too when i discovered their economic model.

[joeldad]

I for one was super excited to get a beta test code and wanted to try it out badly.

One game, lots of glitches, and lack of time stopped Me from playing again for a while.

Then I heard the pricing structure.

I will NEVER pay that level of money for a cheap imitation of the game I play as much For social reasons as game reasons.

There is no excuse for that pricing structure. Claiming it was for the good of people who don't have venues is silly. If They ever went to a major Con they would still have to buy the physical versions of the characters on their Team, then they would get back home and still have no one to play with.

Make it 10-15 bucks a month and I would play it simply as a steam blowing off measure after work.

NECA needs to quit having 83,000 brands of clix and new games and focus on the real money maker of WK, abf that is the physical clix game.

[solobuns]

As much as love that clix is back, I am still saying NECA is going all "killing the goose that laid the golden egg". HCO, Fast Forces, Gravity Bongs, Regular sets, whatever else is next. All released fairly quickly. Eyes made of $ signs. Really starting to cause a burnout on my core group of hardcore clixers here, and I'm sure we're not the only ones.

[TwoToedSloth]

As much as love that clix is back, I am still saying NECA is going all "killing the goose that laid the golden egg". HCO, Fast Forces, Gravity Bongs, Regular sets, whatever else is next. All released fairly quickly. Eyes made of $ signs. Really starting to cause a burnout on my core group of hardcore clixers here, and I'm sure we're not the only ones.

I think you're right. They need to approach it with more patience. Don't pull a starbucks and over extend yourself.

That being said...the amount of new sets coming out is really exciting, especially for a player that just got sucked back in(like me!). I'm worried though that they are going to burn through their content too quickly.

[clameire]

As much as love that clix is back, I am still saying NECA is going all "killing the goose that laid the golden egg". HCO, Fast Forces, Gravity Bongs, Regular sets, whatever else is next. All released fairly quickly. Eyes made of $ signs. Really starting to cause a burnout on my core group of hardcore clixers here, and I'm sure we're not the only ones.

I don't know if the heroclix is a golden egg laying goose... but i'm sure they have dollars in the eyes. They do bad marketing because instead of buying their product and be happy to spend our money for it, we do feel like we are milk-cows and they want to get more and more and more dollars from us for not so much greater value. A good marketing would be something that makes me open my wallet and feel happy with it. What they do right now is making me weighting pro and cons, thinking go on or stop, everytime they make an announcement. And the worst thing about it is that i can afford it, and i could afford it even if it was several dollars more a booster. But even people who have the money are thinking they are overdoing it and ripping us off, so i perfectly understand that people on a budget are even more impacted by current wizkids/neca attitude and i'm really concerned about the future of the game, not only online but also physical products, standard figures.

[Zatara55]

What do you think about IC being released online? I was bored with the HoT figs and thought releasing some more figs might help (and, of course, if they lowered prices) but I played those figs into the ground years ago. There is no appeal for me to get those figs. Maybe to someone who missed the first couple years this might be fun.

[MistahJustice]

I think they still aren't giving into the demands of the public nor owning up to overcharging for a digital product and this newest move towards IC is simply a diversion from the real issue. Until the price for a FULL booster of CURRENT product goes down, they still will not see a single penny from me.

[darius_dax1]

I think they still aren't giving into the demands of the public nor owning up to overcharging for a digital product and this newest move towards IC is simply a diversion from the real issue. Until the price for a FULL booster of CURRENT product goes down, they still will not see a single penny from me.

Good. I really don't want the price to drop below the price of a RL booster.

[darius_dax1]

I for one was super excited to get a beta test code and wanted to try it out badly.

One game, lots of glitches, and lack of time stopped Me from playing again for a while.

Then I heard the pricing structure.

I will NEVER pay that level of money for a cheap imitation of the game I play as much For social reasons as game reasons.

Exactly the response I want to see. Keep the real game alive.

NECA needs to quit having 83,000 brands of clix and new games and focus on the real money maker of WK, abf that is the physical clix game.

I disagree. The only thing that would make this better is a more structured release schedule...they really have hit us all at once.

[sniksder]

Exactly the response I want to see. Keep the real game alive.
LOL, can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not :rolleyes:.

But they have admitted that their goal with this is for the players who can not make it to venues to play, so by saying that the price is not going anywhere, and when they don't have enough players shelling out money to buy boosters the game will have to either lower prices or go away.

[jackstar7]

LOL, can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not :rolleyes:.

But they have admitted that their goal with this is for the players who can not make it to venues to play, so by saying that the price is not going anywhere, and when they don't have enough players shelling out money to buy boosters the game will have to either lower prices or go away.

It could be that they think if they operate for a while at a loss on this, but the physical game remains strong that they'll just ride out the initial backlash/frustration and eventually people will begrudgingly give in.

It's a weird strategy, but I've seen crazier things done in business.

[Gradey]

i am sorry for those of you who cant go to tournaments in RL. if im going to play an online game, its not gonna be Monopoly Online. BTW Age of Conan is now free-to-play !!! i do warn u. u will need at least a mid grade video card. so you can keep your $2 starter and your $0.95 Infinity Challenge Unique's cause they all are pretty worthless :angry:

[Timeshadow]

I don't understand where all this rancor is coming from? I understand there are many who don't like the current price point of the game and feel somehow cheated because if they want to play online as well as in real life they think they will need to pay dbl. That is really a glass half empty attitude. HCO is there for ppl who can't play for whatever reason in real life. If you want to play RL and HCO yes you will pay more but your Real life experience will be a great asset in HCO allowing you to cut the price in half or more by just playing in tournaments. If you collect heroclix in real life great you don't need both so it won't cost nearly as much to just pick up a few figs to play casually on HCO for the odd time you can't play in Real life.

Can all the garbage about greed. It's a business and if the market won't take the price it will change. Unfortunatly there are more ppl not less playing HCO lately and it's getting bigger every day so that conferms that the price isn't going to change much if at all. They are releasing IC so ppl will have an inexpencive option to play with wile they develop the other "Modern" sets and yes DC will be there we have 100% confermation that the Blackest Night starter is coming soon and most likely more DC will follow. So stop complaining and start deciding do you want HCO as a "rainny" day option? Good just invest a small amount and your golden. If you want to stick with RL Clix? That's good too. If your a compleatest who must have everything in both well good luck there you have more money than I do :-). HCO is about giving options not taking them away.

[Gradey]

look fella when i get slapped in the face, i want some redemption. its just they way most men are.

[Timeshadow]

look fella when i get slapped in the face, i want some redemption. its just they way most men are.

How are they slapping you in the face? If you feel it's to expencive don't play. They never said this game is just for you and will be free...If you want to just be able to play for nothing with all the figs just use the resorces already avalable on HC Realms. I find it odd that so many people are taking HCO as a personal insult. It's an option nothing more nothing less.

[mike_houghton]

What happens when those virtual players make it to a con, or a new venue in town, and only have virtual pieces? They can say that its for those who cant make it to stores etc, but that is such a small fraction of the population (im guessing) that its not going to be able to sustain HCO is it?

[5ohClix]

In the words of Judge Judy "don't piss on my and tell me it's raining." HCO can price how ever they want. Just tell it to me straight. No double speak, no misdirection, no "looky here, looky here" at your right hand all the while the left hand is robbing my pocket. If I wanted all that, I would go to work.

[csi]

Heroclix Online is too expensive, everyone can see that. Playing full price for digital items is insanity.

I for one am calling a Boycott on all NECA/Wizkids products until they lower the price by at least 75%.

I really loved HCO despite the glitches, but I cannot abide by this.

Anyone joining me in this boycott please spread the word in your signature.

while I agree with the OP that the price for virtual boosters is rediculous, why the hell would I want to boycott the rest of Wizkids products that I am truly enjoying? I'm sorry you don't like the virtual pricing structure but I am not going to give up the things I enjoy and stop buying Heroclix just so you can get cheaper virtual boosters. ;)

[Blue_Shield]

To those that don't like the idea or pricing of the game, don't play. It's as easy as that, but to tell people not to play is ridiculous. My response is similar to those that start shouting about content in television, music, etc. If you don't like it...change the channel, make a choice and let others make theirs. Whether 10 or 1000, people are online enjoying the game, who cares, they're enjoying the game. Isn't that the bottom line?

[Hellboy]

I'm pretty sure the OP is only calling for a boycott of HCO (unless I am mistaken…) which I really can't get behind even though my plan of not paying for or playing the online version backs up his boycott idea…

[Zatara55]

I'm pretty sure the OP is only calling for a boycott of HCO (unless I am mistaken…) which I really can't get behind even though my plan of not paying for or playing the online version backs up his boycott idea…

No, he wants a boycott of ALL their products. I think the fact that low enrollment will drop the price but I'm worried that if they lose too much money on the online venture that it will affectthe prices if the regular game.

[silversurfr77]

I for one was super excited to get a beta test code and wanted to try it out badly.

One game, lots of glitches, and lack of time stopped Me from playing again for a while.

Then I heard the pricing structure.

I will NEVER pay that level of money for a cheap imitation of the game I play as much For social reasons as game reasons.

I was in the same boat......Got the beta test code...was stoked about it.....tried it out as much as time would allow, and it was the hardest dang thing to navigate at first, what with all the glitches and SUPER lag. I was tuned out pretty quickly. And then once I heard what they were charging......the thought never crossed my mind to actually pay for HCO.

It does sound pretty skeevy though, to me at least, to charge the same price for a virtual product as a real one. Someone made the comment a while back about itunes. Thats a vitrual product, that costs far less than the cd's in the store......but since this is a collectable mini's game, I think all of us will find it difficult to display our virtual Odin's on our computer desks......:ermm:

[darius_dax1]

I was in the same boat......Got the beta test code...was stoked about it.....tried it out as much as time would allow, and it was the hardest dang thing to navigate at first, what with all the glitches and SUPER lag. I was tuned out pretty quickly. And then once I heard what they were charging......the thought never crossed my mind to actually pay for HCO.

It does sound pretty skeevy though, to me at least, to charge the same price for a virtual product as a real one. Someone made the comment a while back about itunes. Thats a vitrual product, that costs far less than the cd's in the store......but since this is a collectable mini's game, I think all of us will find it difficult to display our virtual Odin's on our computer desks......:ermm:

...and what has that done to cd sales? What has NetFlix done to Blockbuster?

[HunterSkunter]

...and what has that done to cd sales? What has NetFlix done to Blockbuster?


What has MTGO done to Magic? By keeping the prices the same its only augmented it. I'm waiting for more sets, not cheaper prices, those of you waiting for cheaper prices aren't going to get it, its just not happening.

You can just rename it "I Quit HCO," because boycott implies you are going to gain something from it, which won't happen.

The best you will get is older product discounted in bulk prices or something, but NECA/Wizkids is not going to compete with its brick and mortar distributors, so unless real life product gets a price cut, you won't see the online prices fall. This product is designed at the moment for people who don't have access to stores to play at, and I'm sure as they introduce more tournaments it will be similar to MTGO with online qualifiers for more real life events like they did for Worlds this summer. Do you have a venue to play at? Then you aren't their target. Do you want to play in tourneys to qualify for worlds? If you really plan on playing at that level and expect to do well, you'd pay the MSRP intro pack, thats the short and long of it.

[aqhoffman]

I'm certainly not boycotting regular Heroclix products, and I have played a game or two with my FF starter set. However, when I log in, I've seen as few as 7 and as many as 21 online on HCO. Prior to this paid beta setup, I would see triple that online.

Yeah, I've read all the arguments for and against price slaved to real world prices, but if your target audience is what,a couple hundred folks, I don't think you have a winner on your hands. I really think HCO could be successful in an ancillary way to tangible heroclix. Not as a substitute. I'm thinking the thousands of heroclix players on Realms, on the other heroclix website, etc, would make a pretty good core group to go after. And it isn't happening. We all conjecture on what the best model is for HCO, and I think the Magic the Gathering Online is no more a valid assumption than the various micropurchase online games. I'd argue MtG is a horrid comparison.

Fact is, 99.9% of players (yes, I know I don't have any validity to those stats!) aren't going to pay a larger price for an online booster than they could get one for in real life. I love old WWII airplanes, and have paid ridiculous bucks to fly/ride in them. However, I would not pay the same thing for an online simulator.

It irritates me how HCO has gone during its "paid beta" phase. Adding new sets was a necessity months ago. Keeping it a true beta phase until they were ready to unveil a worth-the-money product would have been wise. Now it just is grasping at straws and someone (seriously, all decisions come down to one person or their influence somewhere down the line) won't budge on the price model. Most consumer input is neglected on the HCO boards, except for comments that tweak the tourny system or are strictly game play issues. Yeah, that is what beta is supposed to focus on, but when beta testers are no longer just testing, but are actually paying customers, it may be time to listen. Or at least answer, which isn't happening.

Good luck with those (at most) 21 players that were online during prime game time the other night during a big tourny. I hope HCO figures things out that will bring us back on board.

[scion]

What has MTGO done to Magic? By keeping the prices the same its only augmented it. I'm waiting for more sets, not cheaper prices, those of you waiting for cheaper prices aren't going to get it, its just not happening.

[snip]


You are forgetting that Magic allows one to transfer virtual to real therefore having the virtual be set at msrp makes sense, those items may not be totally virtual in that you might be going for conversion. This will not happen in heroclix.

You are also not factoring in the cost difference between a booster pack of Magic and Heroclix. If most of HCO is going to be sealed, then to play in the event costs 25 bucks. If you want to play in a seal of Magic I believe the cost point is between 9-15 bucks.

[HunterSkunter]

You are forgetting that Magic allows one to transfer virtual to real therefore having the virtual be set at msrp makes sense, those items may not be totally virtual in that you might be going for conversion. This will not happen in heroclix.

You are also not factoring in the cost difference between a booster pack of Magic and Heroclix. If most of HCO is going to be sealed, then to play in the event costs 25 bucks. If you want to play in a seal of Magic I believe the cost point is between 9-15 bucks.


Because difference in cost doesn't matter in the context of competition with real world distributors. Yes, boosters are more expensive, but the point isn't a direct comparison, the point is that Wizkids is not going to directly undercut the real world market of their product. If they had cheap boosters, we'd be seeing people complaining about the exact opposite, why do online players get cheaper product, why are they taking business away from brick and mortar, etc.

[TwoToedSloth]

I was in the same boat......Got the beta test code...was stoked about it.....tried it out as much as time would allow, and it was the hardest dang thing to navigate at first, what with all the glitches and SUPER lag. I was tuned out pretty quickly. And then once I heard what they were charging......the thought never crossed my mind to actually pay for HCO.

It does sound pretty skeevy though, to me at least, to charge the same price for a virtual product as a real one. Someone made the comment a while back about itunes. Thats a vitrual product, that costs far less than the cd's in the store......but since this is a collectable mini's game, I think all of us will find it difficult to display our virtual Odin's on our computer desks......:ermm:

glitches...or bad code...I'm done. It takes all of the fun out to have a game mechanic fail. It's not the same as rolling a crit miss, which is chance. It's especially demoralizing when you have so much money on the line. It's just not the same as real life.

My recent problem was that I was playing a match in the beginning of the game: My SR loki is on hindering(so he's stealthed and i end up getting hit for 3 clicks by a based character. The Mastermind option comes up and I was debating who to throw the damage on when all of the sudden the game took initiative and decided that I didn't want to use Mastermind at all. It came and went really fast. No timer, no warning. Nothing.

And taking Loki off his mastermind clicks is huge! You lose probability control, stealth, 11 attack, 4 damage, 18 D, and psychic blast! And the game was still pretty close in the end. Thanks HCO, $24 down the drain...I can't believe I paid for this... :ermm:

[anodejaninis]

I would only played if it was waaaaay cheaper ... and of course, not in this "buy digital for the price of real" ... cuz at the end of the day I can always get my E2 supes on top of my pc screen...

[Timeshadow]

Just to let ppl know, if the rolling tournies begin including booster drafts(which it has been indicated they will) then it will be possable to effectivly have a group of 4 ppl "buy" 2 boosters each at less than half price by splitting the prize pot evinly. This makes Boosters cost $5.40 each which most will consider reasonable and should (if all participating agree) take about 1 hour to accomplish unless you want to play the sealed games for the fun of it(Like me). This can be done as many times as you can get the 4 ppl to play/pay for the boosters.

Sealed payout for 4 player is 700CB 1st and 350CB 2nd for a total of 1050CB
The cost for 4 players is 1912CB
1912-1050= 862 total cost
Total cost (862) devided by 4 players = 215.5CB for 2 boosters that's a 263CB or $13.15 savings.

[TwoToedSloth]

Just to let ppl know, if the rolling tournies begin including booster drafts(which it has been indicated they will) then it will be possable to effectivly have a group of 4 ppl "buy" 2 boosters each at less than half price by splitting the prize pot evinly. This makes Boosters cost $5.40 each which most will consider reasonable and should (if all participating agree) take about 1 hour to accomplish unless you want to play the sealed games for the fun of it(Like me). This can be done as many times as you can get the 4 ppl to play/pay for the boosters.

Sealed payout for 4 player is 700CB 1st and 350CB 2nd for a total of 1050CB
The cost for 4 players is 1912CB
1912-1050= 862 total cost
Total cost (862) devided by 4 players = 215.5CB for 2 boosters that's a 263CB or $13.15 savings.


LOL. This is a player solution... Not a Neca one. Not saying it's a bad one, because it's actually pretty reasonable, but it's not officially being done which means that you could potentially get burned if you started a 4 player rolling without knowing the other players were honest. I don't think this is the solution for HCO... It comes down to Neca themselves not hosing and taking advantage of players. Right now I feel as if they made a HUGE mistake to make the game a public, beta that costs the testers an arm and a leg to play. It's simply absurd. What they should have done:

Announce a price structure for HCO.
Let Beta Testers get boosters for 1/2 of soon to be retail price.

Or have beta just be free to test(you keep no figs but can play in free sealed events/etc to test). -give testers some free bux, LE, or something for their time, help, and data.

[rollinsolo]

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[minideadpool]

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This

and I would be happy.

[clameire]

i'm curious how many active players there are... in total...

[weezer_10]

i'm curious how many active players there are... in total...
Less than 100, and that's being generous.

[eagletsi]

Like others have said "I was a tester, and I would glady pay a monthly fee, but I won't pay same price for something that exists on Neca's hard drives, that I will never see."

I'm sorry, I understand who they are trying to reach, and personally, I'm one of those people, but if I can only spend my money one way, I go with tangible or non tangible any day of the week"..

eagletsi

[sniksder]

Less than 100, and that's being generous.

Thats REAL generous, I have not see more than 30 on at anyone time, and at least 1 if not 2 are Neca/Wizkids employees who act as Mods.

[aqhoffman]

Checked in this morning to get updates and tried to play a game- had 6 people on line at 10am, including me.
No tourny going on, and no one picking up the game I setup in the lobby :(

[Timeshadow]

Thats REAL generous, I have not see more than 30 on at anyone time, and at least 1 if not 2 are Neca/Wizkids employees who act as Mods.

We are pritty consistent at 20+ in the evenings more on the weekends. I have been seeing many new players over the last few weeks. One thing that is definitly skewing the stats is that many of the veteran players like myself have the full set and are kinda sick of HoT. We pop in for a few minutes at a time to check our auctions and maby play a quick game or two. When IC is released and the game goes live the population will dbl or triple at least if not more.

Pick up games are fun but again many of us are sick of HoT. Hopefully we will get IC soon.

[Calanth]

glitches...or bad code...I'm done. It takes all of the fun out to have a game mechanic fail. It's not the same as rolling a crit miss, which is chance. It's especially demoralizing when you have so much money on the line. It's just not the same as real life.

My recent problem was that I was playing a match in the beginning of the game: My SR loki is on hindering(so he's stealthed and i end up getting hit for 3 clicks by a based character. The Mastermind option comes up and I was debating who to throw the damage on when all of the sudden the game took initiative and decided that I didn't want to use Mastermind at all. It came and went really fast. No timer, no warning. Nothing.

And taking Loki off his mastermind clicks is huge! You lose probability control, stealth, 11 attack, 4 damage, 18 D, and psychic blast! And the game was still pretty close in the end. Thanks HCO, $24 down the drain...I can't believe I paid for this... :ermm:

I saw your post after my bug complaint about the same thing that happened to me.

this is the response I received from them.


From: via RT ([email protected])
Sent: Fri 8/19/11 4:06 PM
To: [email protected]



Hello, We received your bug report about timing out in a tournament. Taking too longto make a decision isn't really considered a bug. Extending the timer wouldgive players the opportunity to stall the game out. We regret but we cannot refund your entry fee for this tournament. Best regards The HeroClix Online Team CSR703

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It isnt a stalling issue at all. Its a game mechanic that requires some active thought processes and you need more than 10 seconds to make a logical decision who to mastermind too especially when the map gets covered up and you cannot see which figure you want to assign the damage to.
Who knows if they will even address it.

[TwoToedSloth]

I saw your post after my bug complaint about the same thing that happened to me.

this is the response I received from them.


From: via RT ([email protected])
Sent: Fri 8/19/11 4:06 PM
To: [email protected]



Hello, We received your bug report about timing out in a tournament. Taking too longto make a decision isn't really considered a bug. Extending the timer wouldgive players the opportunity to stall the game out. We regret but we cannot refund your entry fee for this tournament. Best regards The HeroClix Online Team CSR703

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It isnt a stalling issue at all. Its a game mechanic that requires some active thought processes and you need more than 10 seconds to make a logical decision who to mastermind too especially when the map gets covered up and you cannot see which figure you want to assign the damage to.
Who knows if they will even address it.


:( That's no good. I received a similar message from the bug department and forwarded it to customer service department or something akin. I have yet to hear back from the latter. I have no idea why stalling is an issue. Why on earth do they not set a parameter where if one player runs out of time, then they lose the match? It's as simple as that. No more stalling. No more bogus couple of seconds to make game changing decisions. :disappointed:

I fully agree. For some odd reason, you can sit there and not move your figs for the full time, yet you are not allowed to make probability control/MM decision for fear of stalling? lmao. My guess is that the game does not switch the clock over to the other player that is currently masterminding. Either way, it's entirely their fault. There are sooooo many options to deal with this problem. Auto resolving important mid combat abilities without notifying a player via a count down is just lazy. That would be the worst option, but at least it would be better than the current "Surprise! You just lost the game!".

[Zilleonti]

One thing I've been thinking about at work (I have plenty of time... trust me, lol) is the pricing/setup of HCO...

I think it'd be more beneficial for the players and developers to do a monthly rate of $5-10 for memberships and do away with using real money for virtual pieces (singles/boosters/bricks) and tournaments.

One idea for pieces is using a points system. Players can acquire a certain number of points for winning games, or rounds and a considerable more for winning tournaments. Those points would be used for purchasing more game pieces.

[SavageHulk]

Heroclix Online makes more sense for new players like myself who really have no desire to go to a tournament to play. I don't have a collection of figs that I've spent money on also, so paying $30+ to get a decent amount of online figures just makes sense. I think the problem is that many Heroclix players have already spent stupid amounts of money on plastic figs so they don't feel they should have to pay for those same figs AGAIN just to play online. Just realize that it probably takes almost the same amount of work/time/money to make online figs as it does those plastic ones that you care for so much, especially since they upgrade the sculpts themselves online.

I can see why plastic Heroclix players would be against the idea of re-buying online figs, but giving everything away fro free doesn't make sense for Whiz Kids. I agree that there should be a middle-ground though and hopefully they'll figure it out.

[tyroclix]

Heroclix Online makes more sense for new players like myself who really have no desire to go to a tournament to play. I don't have a collection of figs that I've spent money on also, so paying $30+ to get a decent amount of online figures just makes sense. I think the problem is that many Heroclix players have already spent stupid amounts of money on plastic figs so they don't feel they should have to pay for those same figs AGAIN just to play online.

I think you are half right. You have 3 types of players:

A) The collector - who enjoys the feeling of owning an entire collection / seeing their collection. A virtual figure is not tangible and is not part of the "collection".

B) The gamer - who has their choice pieces and buys the new hotness by selling the old hotness. A virtual figure cannot be sold off for real currency. In game a player may be able to make it work in theory but if they get out of the game or decide to get some of that "stupid amount of money" back they can't.

C) The player - who loves to play comic-accurate teams and experiment with new combinations. The choice of tangible characters is in the 1000's. The choice of virtual figures is 63.


Just realize that it probably takes almost the same amount of work/time/money to make online figs as it does those plastic ones that you care for so much, especially since they upgrade the sculpts themselves online.

I disagree. The development is already finished as are the sculpts. There is a lack of physical resources (ink, plastic, paper, paint) and manpower needed for virtual figures. No packaging or shipping either. Yes, you have the overhead of programmers trying to fix bugs and keeping the servers running so players can play but I don't believe the overhead is close to the cost of the physical figures.

I can see why plastic Heroclix players would be against the idea of re-buying online figs, but giving everything away fro free doesn't make sense for Whiz Kids. I agree that there should be a middle-ground though and hopefully they'll figure it out.

I have no problem rebuying my favorite pieces - just not at the same cost as the physical ones. And without a real selection of figures (HoT being one of my least favorite sets ever and Infinity Challenge being fairly poor by today's standards) its tough to find any value in this endeavor.

When IC comes out I may check out the system. I do like the F4 Starter a lot and may check out some auctions to see about getting some singles.

My second biggest reason for not joining now (besides price) is the time issue. Without the social context of tournaments I feel the worst sportsmanship will be more prevalent. I mean look at some of the conversations on the 'Realms. In person, a majority of tournaments are about getting together to have a good time. HCOnline tournaments are more about appropriating money to buy more stuff and the idea of someone stalling / running away just to get the win is something that concerns me.

[Calanth]

In person, a majority of tournaments are about getting together to have a good time. HCOnline tournaments are more about appropriating money to buy more stuff and the idea of someone stalling / running away just to get the win is something that concerns me.

You do have the power gamers who do nothing but hog the tournaments but there are plenty of public games with no reward other than playing the game itself.

[Timeshadow]

We have far more good sportsmen than "Power Gamers". The main event is sealed so having the best figs isn't an issue. Many of us who do have many figs if not the whole set often give new players extras. Personally I have given away 10-20 boosters worth of figures and sold many below value to help out new players and I'm seeing others in my position doing this as well. We are often trying to think up ways to do intresting constructed tournies within the confines of the current system. There has been talk of quality of life issues beeing addressed to allow players to construct their own tournies ect.. I feel this is only the begining. There are new faces(or scrn names) every time I log on so new ppl are joining. Many of the veteran players who have the full set still log on for a bit every day to check on things and stay in the loop. When you see 10-20 ppl online that's a small sample of the actual players. When new sets come out and the game is released I'm sure the #'s will increase greatly.

[TwoToedSloth]

We have far more good sportsmen than "Power Gamers". The main event is sealed so having the best figs isn't an issue. Many of us who do have many figs if not the whole set often give new players extras. Personally I have given away 10-20 boosters worth of figures and sold many below value to help out new players and I'm seeing others in my position doing this as well. We are often trying to think up ways to do intresting constructed tournies within the confines of the current system. There has been talk of quality of life issues beeing addressed to allow players to construct their own tournies ect.. I feel this is only the begining. There are new faces(or scrn names) every time I log on so new ppl are joining. Many of the veteran players who have the full set still log on for a bit every day to check on things and stay in the loop. When you see 10-20 ppl online that's a small sample of the actual players. When new sets come out and the game is released I'm sure the #'s will increase greatly.

I will say that TimeShadow is right about the quality of players being rather good on HCO. While yes, they tend to play in almost all of the tournaments and are very good, they are also very friendly and helpful.

[lensnart]

We are pritty consistent at 20+ in the evenings more on the weekends. I have been seeing many new players over the last few weeks. One thing that is definitly skewing the stats is that many of the veteran players like myself have the full set and are kinda sick of HoT. We pop in for a few minutes at a time to check our auctions and maby play a quick game or two. When IC is released and the game goes live the population will dbl or triple at least if not more.

Pick up games are fun but again many of us are sick of HoT. Hopefully we will get IC soon.

20ish players seems really, really bad to me. I can get that many people out for a soccer game on the average weekend and I would hope that I have a much smaller reach than an international gaming company.

An online version of one of the premier table top games should be doing at least a tenth as well as a forum discussing that game. I would think 100 players on average during peak hours like evenings and weekends would be a disappointment, 20 is an epic disaster.

Right now there are almost 2,500 people on HCRealms and it is 1 a.m. EST on a thursday night three weeks before the next set is due. If in contrast HCO can only get 20-30 people during peak hours, I can't see any way that can be spun as anything but a massive failure, even if that number somehow went up to 60 for a week due to the new release those are not good numbers.

[longinux]

Heroclix Online is too expensive, everyone can see that. Playing full price for digital items is insanity.

I for one am calling a Boycott on all NECA/Wizkids products until they lower the price by at least 75%.

I really loved HCO despite the glitches, but I cannot abide by this.

Anyone joining me in this boycott please spread the word in your signature.

After reading a few pages of this thread, and looking at the op's argument of cost versus product, I'm just really surprised because I'd forgotten that people still think that because it's "digital" it takes nothing to produce. I can't wait for my own pc again when I get settled, so I can FINALLY break out some hc late night. I mean, it's HC all the time. And I'm willing to pay full price for boosters if that means I can use them digitally and they look like the real thing. God bless the guys who program the maps and figs, cause that's not a job I want. (btw, I never say gb someone, just to show how much I really don't want that job) Coding, support, playtesting, management, art direction and sculpting ALL COST MONEY. This is an interesting look again at how some people regard behind the scenes stuff as completely out of their focus. Not to be insulting, but it's an argument I've seen many times coming from people who want peaceful and easy solutions to things that are complex and full of risk.

[JDub]

20ish players seems really, really bad to me. I can get that many people out for a soccer game on the average weekend and I would hope that I have a much smaller reach than an international gaming company.

An online version of one of the premier table top games should be doing at least a tenth as well as a forum discussing that game. I would think 100 players on average during peak hours like evenings and weekends would be a disappointment, 20 is an epic disaster.

Right now there are almost 2,500 people on HCRealms and it is 1 a.m. EST on a thursday night three weeks before the next set is due. If in contrast HCO can only get 20-30 people during peak hours, I can't see any way that can be spun as anything but a massive failure, even if that number somehow went up to 60 for a week due to the new release those are not good numbers.

I guess it's a good thing that's it still beta testing then. :rolleyes:

[lensnart]

I guess it's a good thing that's it still beta testing then.

We all know it is a beta test, but thanks anyway.

And an open beta test, which is now a paid game thus suggest that it should be close to full capability, should still bring in more people than my weekend pick up game of soccer or the average voter turnout for Rock Wars in a small sub section of this site.

[scion]

After reading a few pages of this thread, and looking at the op's argument of cost versus product, I'm just really surprised because I'd forgotten that people still think that because it's "digital" it takes nothing to produce. I can't wait for my own pc again when I get settled, so I can FINALLY break out some hc late night. I mean, it's HC all the time. And I'm willing to pay full price for boosters if that means I can use them digitally and they look like the real thing. God bless the guys who program the maps and figs, cause that's not a job I want. (btw, I never say gb someone, just to show how much I really don't want that job) Coding, support, playtesting, management, art direction and sculpting ALL COST MONEY. This is an interesting look again at how some people regard behind the scenes stuff as completely out of their focus. Not to be insulting, but it's an argument I've seen many times coming from people who want peaceful and easy solutions to things that are complex and full of risk.

I have a question, related, in part, to this comment. To those who have seen the ToS/ToU since this became paid beta, do you actually own the digital figures that you buy? I know that in the online materials I have played and paid, its more like renting without any rights or protections, 'this is ours but we are letting you play with it at a preminium rate'. Part of the reason I stopped actually.

[traxlenak]

I have a question, related, in part, to this comment. To those who have seen the ToS/ToU since this became paid beta, do you actually own the digital figures that you buy? I know that in the online materials I have played and paid, its more like renting without any rights or protections, 'this is ours but we are letting you play with it at a preminium rate'. Part of the reason I stopped actually.

This.

It's not like you are purchasing a game on Steam or GOG.com. You don't own the ability to play the game forever. You own the game for just as long as the company decides to sponser the server space for it.

At some point in the future, the company will say "Oh, this was a good run, but as of Monday Heroclix online will be the way of the Dodo."

Then we might not have the huge percentage of satisfied customers that we have today.

[tyroclix]

You do have the power gamers who do nothing but hog the tournaments but there are plenty of public games with no reward other than playing the game itself.

That is good to here but then flies in the face of Timeshadow's assertion that player can spend money to get in and then use the clixbux from winning tournaments to make the game affordable.

If I'm playing for fun than I'm paying a lot.

If I'm playing for clixbux than I'm not able to play for fun.

Unless I'm mistaken, of course. I just know when it was the free Beta I played a few games with people I didn't know in real life and half were fun and the other half kept dropping out so they wouldn't score a "loss". While the mechanics are different that mentality is alive and real.

I'll keep checking in from time to time to get a feel for it...

[Timeshadow]

I play for clixbucks and have fun!! I currently have every figure out and I still play sealed events. Why? Because I enjoy it. I like the evin chances the limited scope of 2 boosters gives. Sometimes I get some crappy pulls but to me this is just a challange to play better. I loose 3 out of 4 games I play. I place second in about half and loose first round in about 1 in 4. This nets me after auction house sales more than I am spending so I never run out of CB. I have bad streeks that have put my CB stockpile down to nearly nothing but then I have a good streek and I'm back on top of the world. I have currently purchased 118 boosters and have about 3000CB in my account. I have invested 150$ so far. I have had allot of enjoyment out of HCO and if the servers whent belly up tomorrow I would be very sad but I would not regret the investment I have made or the loss of said funds. I payed for entertainment. I got entertainment...more than my money's worth evin. I look forward to many new sets and lots more entertainment from HCO and if needed I'll invest much more money into it...price as is.

[BigDaddyHub]

Timeshadow, you are the most optimistic HCO supporter there is. When everyone else says "X is bad" you say "X is the greatest thing!"

I salute your dogged support and faith in this product.

[Timeshadow]

That is good to here but then flies in the face of Timeshadow's assertion that player can spend money to get in and then use the clixbux from winning tournaments to make the game affordable.

If I'm playing for fun than I'm paying a lot.

If I'm playing for clixbux than I'm not able to play for fun.

Unless I'm mistaken, of course. I just know when it was the free Beta I played a few games with people I didn't know in real life and half were fun and the other half kept dropping out so they wouldn't score a "loss". While the mechanics are different that mentality is alive and real.

I'll keep checking in from time to time to get a feel for it...

It really depends on what you consider allot. For about 750-800CB (35-40$) you can buy a ful CUR set of HoT. For 2$ you get your FF starter. Now that's $42 is that a lot? For the ability to play anytime. There are plent of ppl who just play for fun and that's cheap in my books. You can pay evin less if you are patient and haunt the Auction house. If there is a team you want to use then snipe the figs u want from the AH and play.

My suggestion about sealed is just that. A suggestion. It's a way for ppl to get more for their investment. Since sealed started I haven't bought a booster outside of a tournament, personally I find anyone who does so to be wastefull since you get nothing but the figures. In a tourni you get the figures and a chance to make back some all or more than what you payed all for the same price.

Too many ppl are hung up on the idea of vertual clix. Just have fun. A $12 investment gives you the FF starter and 200 CB. That's enough to buy a good team off the AH and play for fun as much as you want.

If you want to go viral like me and play for free just follow these steps

1) Get your starter and a few figs(7$ investment)

2) Practice with the interface and get used to the rules and how they work online. Remember that tournaments are timed in 2 ways a) Total time: whoever has most pts when this is up wins. 50 mins for 300pt, 70mins for 400pt. b) Chess timer: Each player gets 25 mins for the game if it runs out you loose. This is to discourage stalling(for a 300pt game, more for 400pt) "Note" all tournis are currently single elimination)

3) Invest enough CB to play in at least 4 sealed events (478CBx4=1912CB)

4) Play the game and have fun.

5) Sell all the figures that you don't want to keep in the auction house(be sure to check prices b4 posting so you don't under or over price your figs)

6) If you can't win at all then cut your losses and practice more maby play some constructed with all the figs you have now aquired.

7) Don't worry if you loose just have fun. Remember that you only need to win one in 4 and place 1 in 4 after auction sales to brake evin. If you do better than that you will make CB.

Until the prizes change this is eazy money for experienced Clix players. As I have mentioned b4 I am maby slightly above average in my skills and I have been successfully ding this since the start and plan on continueing for the forseeable future. Yes I may need to invest more eventully but I find it is worth it.

[SavageHulk]

What I don't get is the people who don't think an online game will work. I'm sure people said the same thing about MTG online too, obviously they were wrong.

[TwoToedSloth]

Update: I'm still disappointed in how HCO has been handled as a whole.

BUT...I'm impressed that they actually did refund my clixbux after the whole Mastermind/probability mishap. They did take back the figs from my boosters. I'm happy as it means that they at least DO listen to their customers. This gives me another chance to play in a sealed event. :) Might be some light at the end of the tunnel for HCO. We'll just have to wait and see.

[scion]

It really depends on what you consider allot. For about 750-800CB (35-40$) you can buy a ful CUR set of HoT. For 2$ you get your FF starter. Now that's $42 is that a lot? For the ability to play anytime. There are plent of ppl who just play for fun and that's cheap in my books. You can pay evin less if you are patient and haunt the Auction house. If there is a team you want to use then snipe the figs u want from the AH and play.

My suggestion about sealed is just that. A suggestion. It's a way for ppl to get more for their investment. Since sealed started I haven't bought a booster outside of a tournament, personally I find anyone who does so to be wastefull since you get nothing but the figures. In a tourni you get the figures and a chance to make back some all or more than what you payed all for the same price.

Too many ppl are hung up on the idea of vertual clix. Just have fun. A $12 investment gives you the FF starter and 200 CB. That's enough to buy a good team off the AH and play for fun as much as you want.

If you want to go viral like me and play for free just follow these steps

1) Get your starter and a few figs(7$ investment)

2) Practice with the interface and get used to the rules and how they work online. Remember that tournaments are timed in 2 ways a) Total time: whoever has most pts when this is up wins. 50 mins for 300pt, 70mins for 400pt. b) Chess timer: Each player gets 25 mins for the game if it runs out you loose. This is to discourage stalling(for a 300pt game, more for 400pt) "Note" all tournis are currently single elimination)

3) Invest enough CB to play in at least 4 sealed events (478CBx4=1912CB)

4) Play the game and have fun.

5) Sell all the figures that you don't want to keep in the auction house(be sure to check prices b4 posting so you don't under or over price your figs)

6) If you can't win at all then cut your losses and practice more maby play some constructed with all the figs you have now aquired.

7) Don't worry if you loose just have fun. Remember that you only need to win one in 4 and place 1 in 4 after auction sales to brake evin. If you do better than that you will make CB.

Until the prizes change this is eazy money for experienced Clix players. As I have mentioned b4 I am maby slightly above average in my skills and I have been successfully ding this since the start and plan on continueing for the forseeable future. Yes I may need to invest more eventully but I find it is worth it.

You are neglecting the cost of the inevitable required boxed software.

Which after paying the 40-50 dollars for will give you the benefit of spending even more money to be able to play the game.

[Firelord Hero]

Did everyone realize that w/ the Hulk set in December everything will have a code on it to redeem the figures on HCO from now on?

The thread may be the reason for that decision. Rep to OP and he responses that garnered the change. I wont be joining you online, but hats off to forcing their hand.

[scion]

Did everyone realize that w/ the Hulk set in December everything will have a code on it to redeem the figures on HCO from now on?

The thread may be the reason for that decision. Rep to OP and he responses that garnered the change. I wont be joining you online, but hats off to forcing their hand.


*Buzzer* Nope, according to that press release it is just the fast forces pack, not the boosters.

[Firelord Hero]

*Buzzer* Nope, according to that press release it is just the fast forces pack, not the boosters.

That is a let-down.:knockedou

[SavageHulk]

You are neglecting the cost of the inevitable required boxed software.

Which after paying the 40-50 dollars for will give you the benefit of spending even more money to be able to play the game.

MTG online is free to download, but requires a $10 account activation which gives you a booster, event tickets, a starter deck and 300 cards.

[Timeshadow]

The software will cost around 6$. I know this because in the press release when beta started it said that beta testers will pay 1/3 the cost of the game. 2$x3=6$
A far cry from 40-50$

There may be a special edition or somthing that includes extras that may cost 40-50 $ but the base game will be around 6$ US.

[traxlenak]

Did everyone realize that w/ the Hulk set in December everything will have a code on it to redeem the figures on HCO from now on?

The thread may be the reason for that decision. Rep to OP and he responses that garnered the change. I wont be joining you online, but hats off to forcing their hand.

I have not heard anywhere that "everything" will have a code on it to redeem figures on HCO.

I have heard that the Fast Forces pack will have a code to redeem something on HCO (which I assume is going to be a single figure, and you won't get duplicates)

It would be awesome if the redemption codes started to be given for clix bux redemption in the normal boosters, but I stand by my economical opinion that it would completely de-value clix bux without offering any non-miniscule profits for HCO (which means that it will never happen).

[Timeshadow]

I have heard that the Fast Forces pack will have a code to redeem something on HCO (which I assume is going to be a single figure, and you won't get duplicates)

It would be awesome if the redemption codes started to be given for clix bux redemption in the normal boosters, but I stand by my economical opinion that it would completely de-value clix bux without offering any non-miniscule profits for HCO (which means that it will never happen).

I don't think a 20-40CB voucher per booster would hurt HCO. Really I think it would encourage ppl who are just playing in real life to try out some HCO and most likely spend a little money. On the other hand many of the players on HCO like to play in real life when possable (unfortunatly that's not often) and would probubly buy a few boosters if they knew that they would get the extra CB for HCO.

[TODDRUSSELL]

Wow... I just do not understand what is not to love with clix online.

[Firelord Hero]

Wow... I just do not understand what is not to love with clix online.

It's not a one-time payment. Simple.

I would prefer to own a physical representation of what I am buying more often than not.

You will just be renting that visual image until the game is on life support. Which may be more imminent that everyone thinks. Look at the EQ card game or MTG from what I hear as well.

[theharpiece]

It's not a one-time payment. Simple.

I would prefer to own a physical representation of what I am buying more often than not.

You will just be renting that visual image until the game is on life support. Which may be more imminent that everyone thinks. Look at the EQ card game or MTG from what I hear as well.

Ok, you would prefer to own a physical version of the fig because you can play games with your friends with them right??? For those of us unable to attend venues, or that dont have friends who play, can you really not see how the inverse would be true??? Much like you complain that you cant hold a virtual figure I would say holding a physical figure is about all I can do with it.....

Saying things like MTG is on life support is pretty ridiculous, hop on there on a weekend and look at 1000 people in the casual rooms and another couple hundred drafting non-stop throughout the day....if thats life support, sign me up....

Not all of us want a one-time payment that grants everyone the same pool of figures as everyone else, if you think of this game as a stand alone venture as opposed to a supplement to the physical version you should be able to understand why.....

[NoGoCat]

Would you naysayers stop nay saying on this thread so this whole forum would be totally silent.

[SavageHulk]

The love affair with plastic on this forum is unprecedented.

[smellyfishtaco]

Paying or not....I finally got this game during my deployment and have had it running for a week now. Is all this complaining the reason why I never get to play a game. I have played one game and that was today. Is no one playing this anymore?

[SavageHulk]

Log on nightly around 9:30...there are loads of people playing then.

[Killman]

So.....you want to boycott all of their products just because of a flawed online game? Strange...I remember WK and Neca being companies that mainly make physical products, hence the lack of polish for the online stuff.:ermm:

[clameire]

Did everyone realize that w/ the Hulk set in December everything will have a code on it to redeem the figures on HCO from now on?

The thread may be the reason for that decision.

If this is true, this is great.

[Firelord Hero]

If this is true, this is great.

It was clarified that the codes are only for the Hulk FF's. So I was wrong initially. Still cool, though.

Ok, you would prefer to own a physical version of the fig because you can play games with your friends with them right??? For those of us unable to attend venues, or that dont have friends who play, can you really not see how the inverse would be true??? Much like you complain that you cant hold a virtual figure I would say holding a physical figure is about all I can do with it.....

Saying things like MTG is on life support is pretty ridiculous, hop on there on a weekend and look at 1000 people in the casual rooms and another couple hundred drafting non-stop throughout the day....if thats life support, sign me up....

Not all of us want a one-time payment that grants everyone the same pool of figures as everyone else, if you think of this game as a stand alone venture as opposed to a supplement to the physical version you should be able to understand why.....

If you read my post I said "from what I hear MTG is on life-support". I was mainly referencing the EQ card game. As that is where my experience lies.

Idc if you want to rent visual aid for pleasure. I did that with WoW for 5 years on/off. So I understand the addictive quality and the how elated it can feel.

I just prefer not to play that way because I get to play consistently and this game wasn't made for console or computer so that's now how I am going to play it. Notice the bold. Idc what you do. Your still renting a space on the interwebz.

[Runningwolf]

Here is a thought, and I know some wont agree with it,
Increase cost of boosters 2 bucks and have them come with a redemtion code for the figures that way you can input it into the online game, giveing you access to the figures you just got in rl. Do this For all new items comeing out. For the old stuff set a base price for figures going off how rare or unrare they are and let folks pick what they want or come up with a difrent idea all together for the old figure but I would be willing to pay 2 bucks more pack just to have access to the figures online. Things happen in rl why not keep it open incase a kid gets sick and you cant go play in rl so go play online.

[songwriterz]

Would you naysayers stop nay saying on this thread so this whole forum would be totally silent.

Ni!Python filler.

[Ignatz_Mouse]

Here is a thought, and I know some wont agree with it,
Increase cost of boosters 2 bucks and have them come with a redemtion code for the figures that way you can input it into the online game, giveing you access to the figures you just got in rl. Do this For all new items comeing out. For the old stuff set a base price for figures going off how rare or unrare they are and let folks pick what they want or come up with a difrent idea all together for the old figure but I would be willing to pay 2 bucks more pack just to have access to the figures I online. Things happen in rl why not keep it open incase a kid gets sick and you cant go play in rl so go play online.


As somebody *not* playing HCO, I sure don't want to pay more for my boosters for no additional value.

[Runningwolf]

how about make it so there is a 2 buck charge to input the code on the online game then. That way the folks that dont play online dont pay more and the folks that do are paying something that is a fair cost?

[Ignatz_Mouse]

That's a pretty good idea.

[eMouse]

Would putting in the code get you a virtual booster (of unknown content), or a virtual copy of the physical booster it came from?

For the second option, aside from the logistics of such a task, I think it could skew the virtual rarity, since you'd have people pull an uninteresting booster and decline to enter the code.

I'd think it would be more likely to see a physical booster come with a discount code to buy a corresponding virtual booster at a discount, or the corresponding FF pack.