Diamonds Are This Girl's Best Friend! Another Captain America Preview

[anonym0use]

Greetings HeroClix fans!

Today we spotlight a former paramour of Captain America who actually started on the wrong side of the law! Our preview is none other than the former Serpent Society member, Diamondback!

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Diamondback is adept at ranged attacks with her specialized artificial diamonds and at 74 points this figure is proof of that!
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[Munchoboy]

Pic attched for the firewall-impaired. :classic:

[iceman243]

Glad to see the character finally arrive in HeroClix, but the dial is meh. Running shot incap is nice, and that Special Power could come in handy, but the point cost is just too steep for such middle of the road combat values. If she had the Serpent Society TA, that would help.

[Space Jawa]

Sweet! Initiative Keyword!

*hopes raise for other Initiative characters in this or future sets*

[moonxine77]

I cannot get behind a 74 point character with emphasis on ranged combat who only has a 5 range.

When I compare her to Modern Age characters like Count Vertigo, Mademoiselle Marie, Lyssa Drak, Elsa Bloodstone or GSX Domino, she comes up short on all fronts.

Her "move after Running Shot" is interesting, but does not offset her horrific range value.

[hof]

Sorry but it feels like where taking 2 steps back? Anyone else feel like that? What I mean is yes there is power creep. We all know it! Where is it? Diamond Back can't hurt even "Robin the boy blunder" What I need to get hit 5 times and be on my second clix from k.o. to hurt you. Don't misunderstand me. "I love her special power where she can running shot and then move." Nice game effect it will make me think when I do use her in a SEALED tournament only for the Cap. release!!! She will NEVER EVER BE PLAYED by ME AGAIN! (Unless she has a cool ata that can be attached to her) AND DON"T GET ME STARTED ON HER RANGE!!!
HOF OUT

[Munchoboy]

I cannot get behind a 74 point character with emphasis on ranged combat who only has a 5 range.AND DON"T GET ME STARTED ON HER RANGE!!!
HOF OUT

She throws little, artificial diamonds.

That's right, throws. Not "fires them from wrist launchers". Not "beams them from her eyes". She throws them.

How far a range do you think she deserves for that? 8?! :noid: :confused:


I think your objection to her range value is pretty baseless. :cheeky:

[DarkBlueAnt]

I like her, but I'm not a fan of every other character getting 17 defense with Combat Reflexes. I do really like that they didn't overdo her in other respects though. Looking at the comments so far it seems like people want her to be more powerful... are you nuts? It's Diamondback.

Let's hope we get Constrictor in here too.

[anonym0use]

She throws little, artificial diamonds.

That's right, throws. Not "fires them from wrist launchers". Not "beams them from her eyes". She throws them.

How far a range do you think she deserves for that? 8?! :noid: :confused:


I think your objection to her range value is pretty baseless. :cheeky:

That's what custom mods are for. If you're unhappy you can take Diamondback's sculpt and put it on... say... this dial:

an013 V Green Arrow Diamondback
Team: Justice League
Range: 9 :bolt:
Points: 80
Keywords: Justice League, Justice League of America, Star City
m-boota-sharpshooterd-shieldg-starburst810162810162810162791627915279151KOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKO

[HypersonicHero27]

the problem here isnt her or her dial.

The real problem is previous figures from previous sets that have set unrealistic standards from which we now view all other characters.

Im looking at you Moonstone and HoT Captain America.

This figure sucks becase its just to easy to default to figures like that.

[Dragon]

Mucha as we all knw some people don't care about character accuracy they just want big stompy characters who are over stated and undercost.

[Gargantua]

I don't get the hate. She's not a game breaking piece, no, but she's not bad. A couple clicks of 10 AV, and never dropping below 9. Between Incap and PB she has a way of dealing damage to anyone on 2/3 of her dial, which is more than I can say for a lot of figures. At 74 points, she's not super cheap, but she's not crazy expensive. She's got short range perhaps, but at least she has range, and great mobility. I like her.

And hey, "a perfidious pair with a penchant for getting out of tight spaces and busting heads." I think we're getting Cobra and Mr Hyde next! Only question is will they be a duo or will they be previewing two figures?

[UncannyAvenger]

Reminds me of old-school Dagger, which is about what I was expecting, actually.

If it were her rookie form, I definitely would've liked her to have the Serpent Society TA (although the ATA can help with that). Now we're just a Black Mamba away from being able to have a BAD Girls, Inc. grouping!

[speedy92286]

That's what custom mods are for. If you're unhappy you can take Diamondback's sculpt and put it on... say... this dial:

an013 V Green Arrow Diamondback
Team: Justice League
Range: 9 :bolt:
Points: 80
Keywords: Justice League, Justice League of America, Star City
m-boota-sharpshooterd-shieldg-starburst810162810162810162791627915279151KOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKO

Oh god, she is now a sharpshooter with little thrown diamonds. And apparently pink is the new black because she got stealth!

[BaboonJuice]

Fairly accurate I would say, maybe drop her cost by 5 points but not too much else. Not everyone clix can be broken, then tournaments would look like Lady Gaga concerts and everyone would just be throwing glitter at one another. Did that make sense. I'm tired.

[moonxine77]

I think your objection to her range value is pretty baseless. :cheeky:

I object to a range value of 5 on a 74 point character.

As to the comic accuracy of her powers, sure, she should only have 5 range. So reduce her point cost.

You can go ahead and play her, I won't stop you. I'll be investing my team points in other figures.

[Fausto]

Mucha as we all knw some people don't care about character accuracy they just want big stompy characters who are over stated and undercost.

I don´t think it´s about that... it´s about a character that is clixed and won´t be used ever as it´s overcosted !! ...or anyone seen a game with someone using Anaconda just for laughs?

[mattsolo]

Here is hoping for a decent Serpent and Initiative ATA's will help out this mediocre dial.

[speedy92286]

Fairly accurate I would say, maybe drop her cost by 5 points but not too much else. Not everyone clix can be broken, then tournaments would look like Lady Gaga concerts and everyone would just be throwing glitter at one another. Did that make sense. I'm tired.

Ugh, you got Bad Romance in my head.

[Thrumble Funk]

Mucha as we all knw some people don't care about character accuracy they just want big stompy characters who are over stated and undercost.

Yep, this.

God forbid you have to, y'know, use strategy and positioning to make a figure effective. :cheeky:

[Thrumble Funk]

Also, not seeing how she's overcosted. At all. RS down the dial, with added mobility on the tail-end, CR for up-close (which, her being a secondary attacker, should give her a decent enough DV to survive late-game), ESD starting (18 DV at range, 19 if you park in hindering), no lower than a 9 AV, PB on the tail end to crack INV/IMP...

Yeah. She's fine. Haters gonna hate, min/maxers gonna min/max.

[GSInc]

[QUOTE=moonxine77;5651010]
When I compare her to Modern Age characters like Count Vertigo, Mademoiselle Marie, Lyssa Drak, Elsa Bloodstone or GSX Domino, she comes up short on all fronts.
[QUOTE]
Except that she makes a better Diamondback than any of those figures. :)
I am thrilled with her. She is exactly where she should be. Diamondback, Batroc, new Hydra goons, (maybe) Cobra and Hyde... I think this may be my favorite set yet!

[Thrumble Funk]

Except that she makes a better Diamondback than any of those figures. :)

You, sir, win the thread.

[dairoka]

Yeah. She's fine. Haters gonna hate, min/maxers gonna min/max.

She is not a heavy hitter in the comics, nor is her clix. She will excel at hitting other secondary characters and support pieces, with the occasional Incap of someone she can't hurt.

This dial does everything I would expect it to. The Combat Reflexes and 19DV in Close on click three are my only complaints.... she's a little too good.

[spiderhero]

She does seem overcosted for wehat she brings to the table. Since I'm not a fan of the character, I can see no reason to play a piece like this. Unless she gets some fantastic ATA I'll consider her trading fodder.

[iceman243]

Looking at the comments so far it seems like people want her to be more powerful... are you nuts? It's Diamondback.

Mucha as we all knw some people don't care about character accuracy they just want big stompy characters who are over stated and undercost.

I don't think anyone here is saying she should be more powerful, because anyone that's read her in the comics knows this is a fairly accurate representation.

the problem here isnt her or her dial.

The real problem is previous figures from previous sets that have set unrealistic standards from which we now view all other characters.

Im looking at you Moonstone and HoT Captain America.

This figure sucks becase its just to easy to default to figures like that.

I think this is really what the issue is. The comparisons to similarly costed figures.

Fairly accurate I would say, maybe drop her cost by 5 points but not too much else. Not everyone clix can be broken, then tournaments would look like Lady Gaga concerts and everyone would just be throwing glitter at one another. Did that make sense. I'm tired.

I don't think anyone expected her to be a game-breaking character. Just maybe a few points less as you stated.


And that 5 range is probably generous. 4 would probably be more accurate, but they bumped it to 5 since Running Shot with the movement and range being equal would just seem odd.:ermm:

[Gargantua]

I object to a range value of 5 on a 74 point character.

As to the comic accuracy of her powers, sure, she should only have 5 range. So reduce her point cost.


So by this definition, I should throw away all my Woverines, Nightcrawlers, Warriors Three, Wonder Woman, etc. figures, because they’re over 74 points and they have no range at all.

[tyroclix]

PRO: New character, decent values, neat SP, keyword potential

CON: Pricey, nothing new

[moonxine77]

So by this definition, I should throw away all my Woverines, Nightcrawlers, Warriors Three, Wonder Woman, etc. figures, because they’re over 74 points and they have no range at all.

Don't be a jerk.

She's a 74 point character with all attack powers focused on range and only a range of 5.

[WestCoastAvengers]

I'm happy to see the character made, because I read some Cap comics w/ her in it. But for the points, her dial is weak. Range is too short & I hate Incap.

[Cliffjumper]

The only thing upsetting about this figure is that it took up a preview spot of someone that couldve been interesting.

Its Diamondback people...shes DAMN lucky she got some whacked out 5 range when it shouldve been 2-4 IMO and she is 74 points because EVERY click has running shot. Move and Attack powers are pricey front loaded...and she has 6 clicks full of it.

Players are getting entirely too spoiled by the power creep and the bargain pieces that have been coming out lately.

[Thrumble Funk]

Players are getting entirely too spoiled by the power creep and the bargain pieces that have been coming out lately.

Yep, this.

Want pwnage? Play HALO.

[konasavage]

the problem here isnt her or her dial.

The real problem is previous figures from previous sets that have set unrealistic standards from which we now view all other characters.

Im looking at you Moonstone and HoT Captain America.

This figure sucks becase its just to easy to default to figures like that.

This right here speaks volumes. They are trying to bring the range game down an notch and people are getting angry.

[Thrumble Funk]

This right here speaks volumes. They are trying to bring the range game down an notch and people are getting angry.

Yep. I'm personally loving it, as I was getting tired of the ranged shootout game that HC became.

[DrugSex]

Don't know her & not interested BUT i'm happy to see these kinda "unknow" characters in the game. These give me the hope to see characters like Bloodsport or Maggie Sawyer in the Superman Set.

[elfholme]

She throws little, artificial diamonds.

That's right, throws. Not "fires them from wrist launchers". Not "beams them from her eyes". She throws them.

How far a range do you think she deserves for that? 8?! :noid: :confused:


I think your objection to her range value is pretty baseless. :cheeky:

I think I'd be pretty happy with the same range as most members of another group who mostly just throw things - Batman Ally. I'd take 6 range. Yeah, it's only 1 more square, but that's a pretty big difference.

I like that we FINALLY got another Serpent Society member. She's not terrible. She looks like she's overcosted by at least 10 points, and I'd like to see at least another square of range, but I'll play her if WK gives me more members of the Serpent Society with good, fun dials to play with her.

[BudPalmer]

Her hair should be magenta. :ermm:

[fastcat99]

Neat! RS, hit somebody, then base them with 17CR!

I like it. Useful and Serpent Society!

[elfholme]

Fairly accurate I would say, maybe drop her cost by 5 points but not too much else. Not everyone clix can be broken, then tournaments would look like Lady Gaga concerts and everyone would just be throwing glitter at one another. Did that make sense. I'm tired.

That...would be awesome.

[joeracer]

Yep, this.

God forbid you have to, y'know, use strategy and positioning to make a figure effective. :cheeky:
I have been saying this the whole time. The game has become less fun.
"I don't need to have and strategy. I just pick the arena, roof tops, or anti-monitor map. Throw my 12-14 range figs and 18+ beat sticks on the board." What people I play must be thinking all the time.
Of course it is fun when your Robin takes down White Lantern superman or (my personal favorite) Mystique taking down Doomsday.

[HypersonicHero27]

This right here speaks volumes. They are trying to bring the range game down an notch and people are getting angry.


Yes but let me clarify that im not one of them, im just explaining why people are saying this figure isnt any good, because until further notice there are way better modern age options.

[konasavage]

I hate Incap.

I hate Mystics feedback.

[brevard321]

I'm sad that they changed the Serpent Society team ability into a card.

Now, she doesn't match the other Serpent Society pieces in the little Ziploc baggie I keep them in. :(

On a side note, last night I had a dream that I found a BUCKET of random Heroclix pieces by the side of the road before the garbage truck got to it! :)

[dairoka]

This right here speaks volumes. They are trying to bring the range game down an notch and people are getting angry.

If power levels and stats like Diamondback and Batroc's are going to be the new standard, then I will like this game even more than I do now. Just because there are other characters in the same price range that seem to have a better price value, she does not automatically become a bad piece. She has a role in the game and she looks like she will do it well: secondary killer with opportunity Incap on primary/tentpole attackers.

That and anyone who likes playing comic accurate themes. Not everyone plays for the same reasons.

[Sigdr]

The only complaint I have about this figure is that the sculpt makes her look like a child. That's a little disconcerting.

Otherwise, I really don't care about this piece one way or another. I'm not interested in the character, the dial doesn't seem to bring anything fun or new, and she doesn't seem all that effective for her point value. That said, I already had my turn nerding out over MODOK and Strucker, so...yay, Initiative/Diamondback fans! Enjoy.

[I Am The Game]

I like this piece. She has mobility in spades, which is what everyone cries about when a fig comes out. Incap will help her pin down someone's big gun early on, and she turns into a capable close combat piece afterwards. If a cheap harasser ties her up, she can use Combat Reflexes to get out of close combat. The only thing I'll say against her is that Energy Explosion seems wasteful on the dial, but it's accurate, and doesn't cost much.

I don´t think it´s about that... it´s about a character that is clixed and won´t be used ever as it´s overcosted !! ...or anyone seen a game with someone using Anaconda just for laughs?

Anaconda's a good piece. Pick up an object, phase next to an opponent, push to hit them for 4 or 5. Keep the other fig tied up with Plasticity, and disappear whenever it suits you. Would you like to change your mind and pick someone else?

Place your bets! Will Cobra and Mr. Hyde appear as a duo, and will they be SR?

[Pentarch]

I would've honestly much rather seen her range dropped down to 4, and give her a second target for her point value, so she could make the most out of her Incap and EE. Or drop her cost just enough that it'd be the same with her Serpent Society ATA. But hey, I do really like the character, and will play it just the same, on both of her respective keyworded teams.

Here's hoping for more Initiative characters, especially a Prodigy (With the Slingers keyword..) and Justice, that'd be absolutely fantastic. But my guess is that Avengers is our next set, and they'll be packaged into that one. Cap is already supporting a number of sub-sets as is, and Diamonback gets a pass because of her relation to Cap himself alongside being Serpent Society anyways.

[IceHot]

Yeah , Diamondback #30 on my most wanted list...which puts me in for at least 1 booster so far.

[DarthPezley]

I like her, but I'm not a fan of every other character getting 17 defense with Combat Reflexes. I do really like that they didn't overdo her in other respects though. Looking at the comments so far it seems like people want her to be more powerful... are you nuts? It's Diamondback.

Let's hope we get Constrictor in here too.

Who said anything about more powerful? I'd settle for playable. Nice 16 ESD, thanks for those 74 points of "meh".

Her offensive capability boils down to 2 damage pings at guys with Toughness/no reducers and Incap.. at 5 range. Which means she needs to get in close enough to where anyone with a decent enough Charge can clobber her. Sure, her defense may go up some.. but her damage is still 2 AND she loses Incap.

She's really, really bad. Anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves. It's not an opinion: look at other 70-75 point characters in modern. How many of them are just plain worse than her? Not many. She's near the bottom of the barrel.

A click or two of Perplex up front (or some other form of support power/ability), a second bolt or a lower point value would make this gal playable. As she tands, she's pretty terrible.

[ipod]

she sucks play her if u like to lose .

[dairoka]

A click or two of Perplex up front (or some other form of support power/ability), a second bolt or a lower point value would make this gal playable. As she tands, she's pretty terrible.

Perplex and/or a second :a-bolt: would make just about any character better, but I cannot recall any appearance in comics by Diamondback that would warrant either. She won't do much against a tentpole, but if that's not what her character does, so why should her figure?

[dantheman5999]

What a terrible piece.

[Baron Impossible]

Let's hope we get Constrictor in here too.

yes, he definitely needs a remake. his REV dials from infinity challenge were even terrible back then

Place your bets! Will Cobra and Mr. Hyde appear as a duo, and will they be SR?
i'm hoping solo because mr hyde wouldnt fit on my serpent squad team

plus fridays have been double previews so far, so there's that in our favor

[DarthPezley]

Perplex and/or a second :a-bolt: would make just about any character better, but I cannot recall any appearance in comics by Diamondback that would warrant either. She won't do much against a tentpole, but if that's not what her character does, so why should her figure?

Then her character shouldn't as expensive and useless. She should be cheaper. Her dial is a joke.

Perhaps "better" was the wrong term. I meant it would justify her point value for what she brings.

[Baron Impossible]

as for diamondback, her dial is definitely comic accurate, but i agree that she seems a bit overpriced. i would expect her to be closer to a 60pt piece in the first place and adjust her dial accordingly

but hey, i'm super-psyched for more serpent squaders

[gawain]

I think if she looks bad, it's only by comparison to some similarly priced figures in recent sets. If Captain America represents a drawdown of the range game and the power creep, better a little pain now at seeing figs that aren't as good as the ones in Hammer of Thor, than seeing your collection of figures get more and more useless over time as new sets are released.

Onto the dial: I like the idea of her being able to take cover again after a running shot, though I think it would have been more useful to have the SP top dial, with fewer clicks of running shot overall. In general, I think the dial is pretty accurate.

[Baron Impossible]

ff027 Asp 39
ul033 Anaconda 62
ul024 Sidewinder 35
ul018 Princess Python 42
xp033 Viper* 48
cap012 Diamondback 74

exactly 300 pts. course that prolly had 0 influence since we're getting more serpent society dudes.


*only rookie viper actually has the keyword, but i prefer the vet

[tyroclix]

I hate Mystics feedback.

And Bag-Man damage, and Impervious, and Invulnerability, and how easily Indomitable figures push to attack twice, etc.

:ermm:

[Surfer13]

She seems expensive.

Maybe it's just that some other figures are undercosted, but there are better options for the points without having to point to some of the standout pieces from other sets.

Psylocke and Pyro from GSX, and the U Batman from BatB are all the same cost, and I think that each of them are better than this. Especially Pyro, who also has a 5 range.

[tyroclix]

She's really, really bad. Anyone who thinks otherwise is fooling themselves. It's not an opinion: look at other 70-75 point characters in modern. How many of them are just plain worse than her? Not many. She's near the bottom of the barrel.

For comparison's sake:

aa042 E Ventriloquist
Team: Batman Enemy
Range: 6 :bolt:
Points: 70
Keywords: Gotham City
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(Attack) Scarface: Ventriloquist can use Incapacitate, but his damage value becomes 1 instead of 0 until the action is resolved.


aa037 R Element Lad
Team: Legion of Superheroes
Range: 6 :bolt::bolt:
Points: 70
Keywords: Future, Legion of Super Heroes, Teen
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(Damage) Transmute: At the beginning of your turn as a free action, Element Lad can choose one of the following options: (1) Destroy up to two adjacent objects or squares of blocking terrain; or (2) one at a time remove up to 6 hindering terrain markers, blocking terrain markers, and debris markers (in any combination) 4 or fewer squares from Element Lad to which he has a clear line of fire at the time they are removed; if a debris marker is removed that indicates a wall or area of terrain that was destroyed, it is no longer destroyed.

aa030 R Amon Sur
Team: No Affiliation
Range: 8 :bolt::bolt:
Points: 70
Keywords: Sinestro Corps
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(Defense) Self Preservation: Amon Sur can use Toughness. When Amon Sur takes damage, if he possesses Self Preservation after the attack resolves you can immediately move him up to half his speed value (he breaks away automatically).


bb023 E Max Mercury
Team: No Affiliation
Range: 0 :bolt:
Points: 71
Keywords: Central City, Keystone City, Past
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(Damage) Speedforce Mentor : Max Mercury can use Perplex, but can only use it to modify another character's speed value by +3.

si032b V Dum Dum Dugan
Team: Skrulls
Range: 8 :bolt:
Points: 75
Keywords: Skrulls, Spy
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(Speed) Shifty: Dum Dum Dugan can use Plasticity and Running Shot.

(Special) : Dum Dum Dugan possesses the Skrulls team symbol. He doesn�t possess the S.H.I.E.L.D. team symbol.

(Special) S.W.O.R.D. Fall: Before the beginning of the first round, choose one area of elevated terrain or blocking terrain on the map. This area is considered to be clear terrain until the end of the game.

si032a V Dum Dum Dugan
Team: S.H.I.E.L.D.
Range: 8 :bolt:
Points: 75
Keywords: S.H.I.E.L.D., Soldier, Spy
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(Special) : Dum Dum Dugan possesses the S.H.I.E.L.D. team symbol. He doesn�t possess the Skrulls team symbol.

(Special) Monster Squad: Modify the attack value of Dum Dum Dugan and all adjacent friendly characters by +1 when they are attacking characters that possess the {giant} or {colossal} ability.


si010 E Grey Gargoyle
Team: Master of Evil
Range: 0 :bolt:
Points: 75
Keywords: Masters of Evil, Scientist
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(Speed) Petrify: Grey Gargoyle can use incapacitate. If he successfully hits a target using incapacitate and the result of the attack is doubles, give the target two action tokens if it has zero tokens.

(Damage) Petrified Protection: Grey Gargoyle can use Barrier, but can barrier terrain markers only in unoccupied squares containing objects, hindering terrain, or hindering terrain markers. This use of Barrier does not count toward your available actions for the turn.

si009 R Gravity
Team: No Affiliation
Range: 0 :bolt:
Points: 75
Keywords:
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(Speed) Gravity Control: Gravity can use Incapacitate (as if he had a range of 8), Super Strength, and Telekinesis.

ws104 U Daken
Team: No Affiliation
Range: 0 :bolt:
Points: 72
Keywords: Dark Avengers, Dark X-Men, Warrior
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(Special) Smell Through Disguise: Opposing characters within 6 squares can't use Shape Change.

(Attack) Backstab: Modify Daken's damage value by +1 for each action token on the target of his attack.

ws101 U Venom
Team: No Affiliation
Range: 0 :bolt:
Points: 70
Keywords: Dark Avengers, Monster
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(Damage) Web: Invasive Organic Webbing: Venom can use Penetrating/Psychic Blast as if he had a range of 6. If he hits, you may place a Web special terrain marker in his target's square after the action resolves.

ws046 E Jackal
Team: No Affiliation
Range: 4 :bolt:
Points: 72
Keywords: Scientist
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(Attack) Clone Master: If two or more friendly characters adjacent to Jackal have the exact same name as one another, those characers can all use Shape Change if they can't already.

(Special) Clone Madness: Characters on your force modify their attack values by +2 and their damage values by +1 when attacking an opposing character under 300 points with their exact same name.


ws028 V Warpath
Team: X-Men
Range: 0 :bolt:
Points: 70
Keywords: Hellions, New Mutants, Warrior, X-Force, X-Men
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(Attack) Knife Throw: Warpath can use Penetrating/Psychic Blast as if he had a range of 6.

ws016 E Ironclad
Team: No Affiliation
Range: 0 :bolt:
Points: 74
Keywords: Brute, U-Foes
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[tyroclix]

She seems expensive.

Maybe it's just that some other figures are undercosted, but there are better options for the points without having to point to some of the standout pieces from other sets.

Psylocke and Pyro from GSX, and the U Batman from BatB are all the same cost, and I think that each of them are better than this. Especially Pyro, who also has a 5 range.

The only issue I have with a comment like this (and there are many so don't take it personal) is for a lot of players characters matter.

For me, Pyro isn't an option on a team that was 75 points short if I was considering Diamondback. They don't run in the same circles - mutant villain and Captain America's squeeze. There is no team-up I will field that cross over like that.

I also don't think all 70 to 75 point figures should be interchangeable.

Diamondback has a role to play on someone's team who chooses her and when someone lists 3 or 4 figures that are "better options" it really isn't much of a point for some players because on a Marvel Fem-Force Pyro, U Batman, SR Mysterio, Abin Sur, Hawkgirl, etc aren't even in consideration for many players.

Now I freely admit there are some players who do look at cost and simply see if she takes the spot from Bencrawler, for example - but the overall comment of X is better sounds like an attempt to be factual rather than the personal choice it is.

Diamondback is highly mobile. She is so expensive because they gave her 6 clicks of running shot. That is A LOT.

I think her role on a Serpent Society team will be important. A lot of SS characters are 0 range and she may really shine when supported by them.

Overall she has a 9 swing which is acceptable. Teamed with SHIELD pieces she could up the range and / or damage. 18 D at range is solid. Base her and she doesn't lose much - still able to Incap and her defense will spike if she gets hit in close.

Stellar figure? I don't think so. I think she is a lot better than Maria Hill, though...

[LivesByTheSword]

I hope they are keeping all the really good pieces under wraps.

[dariusq]

Nothing but meh. For that cost she needs to be doing a whole lot more than harassment. Something as simple as bumping the placement of her Psyblast up to the front of her dial would have helped a lot not to mention ditching Incap which has far too bloated a cost.

[Amora's_best_friend]

Wow, her mobility is pretty insane. SIX clicks of running shot! You hit me for 4, I take the 4 squares knockback, out of your other figures' range, then I hit you back for 2, then skip around a corner, and push to do it again next turn.

[Clclix]

She throws little, artificial diamonds.

That's right, throws. Not "fires them from wrist launchers". Not "beams them from her eyes". She throws them.

How far a range do you think she deserves for that? 8?! :noid: :confused:


I think your objection to her range value is pretty baseless. :cheeky:

I think the problem is more that she is 74 points and throws diamonds. Not a good preview here IMO.

[Surfer13]

The only issue I have with a comment like this (and there are many so don't take it personal) is for a lot of players characters matter.

Characters matter to me, too.
I was looking forward to Element Lad as much as any character from AA. I have him in one of my modern age play boxes right now, and he will move in to my all-time keeper boxes when he retires.

But I never play him. He's a terrible waste of points.

But if characters are all that matter, then why did you list all of those characters for comparison a few posts back?
Who cares is Grey Gargoyle is terrible if all that matters is that he is Grey Gargoyle?

Because that isn't all that matters.

Points are about what is on the dial, not what is on the base. The dial should reflect the character, and the cost should reflect the dial.

The dial might be a good reflection of Diamondback. I am not commenting on that. But I do know that when I look at that cost that I do not see a good reflection of that dial.

Sometimes something goes wrong. Sometimes the dial isn't a good reflection of the character. Sometimes the cost isn't a good reflection of the dial. Sometimes neither the dial nor the cost are very good. Hey, it happens. Wizkids isn't perfect.

But it doesn't mean that they shouldn't continue to try and do better.

If the Falcon costs 74 points*, I hope that I get more for my points than what everyone waiting for Diamondback got.

Not asking for broken. I don't want broken. I just want "worth it".









* Please do not let me down, Wizkids. I need my Falcon.

[bullseye100]

I like it! People need to chill out and think about what she actually does powerwise. This fits representation fits her perfectly...

[Vevilaughs]

i would have liked them to drop her damage down to 1 on her EE clicks, but then give her CCE on those same clicks.

I don't get all the hate either.... full dial of move and attack will cost you. Sure, you may not play her that much outside a sealed event, but lets face it, if the world was gonna end, I doubt Diamondback was on your top ten list of heroes to call in the first place.

[LivesByTheSword]

Characters matter to me, too.
I was looking forward to Element Lad as much as any character from AA. I have him in one of my modern age play boxes right now, and he will move in to my all-time keeper boxes when he retires.

But I never play him. He's a terrible waste of points.

But if characters are all that matter, then why did you list all of those characters for comparison a few posts back?
Who cares is Grey Gargoyle is terrible if all that matters is that he is Grey Gargoyle?

Because that isn't all that matters.

Points are about what is on the dial, not what is on the base. The dial should reflect the character, and the cost should reflect the dial.

The dial might be a good reflection of Diamondback. I am not commenting on that. But I do know that when I look at that cost that I do not see a good reflection of that dial.

Sometimes something goes wrong. Sometimes the dial isn't a good reflection of the character. Sometimes the cost isn't a good reflection of the dial. Sometimes neither the dial nor the cost are very good. Hey, it happens. Wizkids isn't perfect.

But it doesn't mean that they shouldn't continue to try and do better.

If the Falcon costs 74 points*, I hope that I get more for my points than what everyone waiting for Diamondback got.

Not asking for broken. I don't want broken. I just want "worth it".









* Please do not let me down, Wizkids. I need my Falcon.

This is the best post i've read in a long time anywhere on the internet for anything.

[Preacher13]

Finally! Yes! I'm psyched. Now I can reenact Streets of Poison! LOL..

[Kite-Man]

I like her and will play her.
Very mobile :)

[dairoka]

Perhaps "better" was the wrong term. I meant it would justify her point value for what she brings.

If she lost a few clicks of RS and her point cost was closer to 60, I don't think people would be as disappointed. I think 74 points is accurate for what her dial has, but she's not a giant-killer with that 2 damage. I still think she only looks so "bad" when compared to other 70-80 point-ish characters that are more specific in their roles.

I think if she looks bad, it's only by comparison to some similarly priced figures in recent sets.

I would be very happy if characters like Diamondback started a new "anti-creep" trend in stats/pricing.

Points are about what is on the dial, not what is on the base. The dial should reflect the character, and the cost should reflect the dial.

The dial might be a good reflection of Diamondback. I am not commenting on that. But I do know that when I look at that cost that I do not see a good reflection of that dial.

First, awesome post. Thank you.

This is the only point I differ with. I think that the point cost for her is about where that dial should be. If anything, I think she is slightly too good to be accurate. If WK didn't have a full dial RS and dropped another power or two to get her points down to around 60, I would be a lot happier with her. But, she is what she is, I am happy we have her, and happy that I can see her filling a specific tactical use on a team.

She's may not be a perfect Diamondback, but I think she is very playable, and very far from garbage. Grey Gargoyle, on the otherhand...

[Badger]

Going to play her ................. After I repaint a Manhunter Sculpt -- Chop off the Bo-Stick and replace with a Diamond --- and put it on her dial !

[hof]

I WILL!!! lol. Thanks!!! It will be a hell of alot better!!! Good dial.

[GroovyBoy]

I object to a range value of 5 on a 74 point character.


So you don't play any figures of 4 range or less that cost 74 or more points, huh?

[GroovyBoy]

Her hair should be magenta. :ermm:

Old costume would have been nice, too...