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RavenProject
03/19/2003, 09:25
Doctor Doom (http://www.hcrealms.com/cgi-bin/get_unit.cgi?num=ct110)
Clobberin' Time #108
Based on: Dr. Doom (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20534) and Doombot (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16816)
Type: Special
Current eBay Value: $48.81 (18 March @ 11PM)

I'd like to take a second to point out a major oddity in Clobberin' Time LEs... The LE5s are generally dismissed as unplayable ####. Most LE4s are considered barely playable. But there are LE3s selling on eBay for more than most LE5s. Quite honestly, they *are* amazing pieces! And above them all towers the ersatz Lord of Latveria, Doctor Doom(bot).

WizKids really threw us a loop with this bad boy. By the name and number, he's obviously the LE version of a Doombot. However, I find it easier to consider this the first "sub-Rookie" LE. Like those super-deformed characters in anime, Doctor Doom has most of R Dr. Doom's tricks squished into a tiny package.

If you're planning to use Doctor Doom, you've got to take a good look at his dial and plan ahead. For his first click, Doom's a powerhouse for his cost. His second click isn't bad. But after that, you'll whip through the rest of his short dial in no time. Never, ever forget that this guy only has *five* clicks! One good hit on him and that's about it.

For that reason, you want focus on that first click of Mastermind. At only 68 points, his meat shield options may seem a bit limited. But that's okay -- you've got Doombots, and it even makes sense within a theme. Partner Doom with a Doombot, and you've got taxi and meat shield in one. I highly recommend using the E or V versions for Toughness; makes them more likely to survive, and the higher Movement value makes them better taxis.

Once you've given Doctor Doom his devoted redshirt, you can look at the rest of his stats. The 8 move is nice, but you'll probably be relying on a taxi. 16 Defense is average. But what really stands out are the 10 Attack, 3 Damage, and associated powers. Unlike any other Doombot or REV Dr. Doom, this guy has Pulse Wave on his first two clicks. Remember what I said about a Taxi with Toughness? Here's another good reason why. With a 10 Attack value, you've got a good chance of hitting most characters in your blast radius. Now, with the damage reduced to 1, there are a lot of people you may not be able to hurt like this, but it's still worth considering. If you really want the damage boost, slip a SHIELD member on your team and have your Doombot taxi contribute if he's able. More often, you're going to stick with a straight-up blast for 3 Damage. He's got a short range -- only 6 -- but it's going to make a dent.

The real jewel in this crown, though, is that brown square of Perplex. There are obvious applications, of course -- jacking his Attack to 11, or Damage to 4. But if you really want to take advantage of the benefits Perplex can offer, you need to get creative. For example, let's go back to the Pulse Wave. With his range of 6, the Doombot can affect everyone within three squares. Perplex up his Range to 7. Divide by two and round up, and you get 4 squares in every direction. That's a *huge* increase in the affected area! Also, don't forget that Perplex does not require an action. So even when Doom isn't acting directly, he can boost another member of your force. With so many applications, Perplex grants you tremendous flexibility on the battlefield.

Until you lose it. Which happens abruptly and will always disappoint you when it does, because thigns for downhill quickly. If you're lucky enough to only take one click of Damage, you may still have a chance. A 9 Attack doesn't suck, Damage is a Toughness-pounding 2, Leadership helps bring a new taxi for extraction, and Toughness means your opponent's next attack needs more "oomph" behind it if you want to put Doom away. It's not awful, but it cuts Doom's value tremendously. He's gone from powerhouse to an overpriced V Doombot.

Things only get worse from there. Attack continues to click down, as does Defense until it bottoms out at 13. Pulse Wave is exchanged for Incapacitate, but at that attack value you're not hitting much. Once the dial gets this bad, the *only* saving grace is that you pick up Outwit on the final two clicks. Trust me, he won't be doing much else.

This run of stats makes it tricky to plan for Doctor Doom's use in battle. As long as you can keep him supplied with Mastermind fodder (and, for that matter, can keep Mastermind from falling prey to Outwit) he'll be a beast, limited only by his short range. But once Doom takes damage, it's all downhill from there. Get him to a Medic at once. He's just too many points to give up on. In connection with that, get used to thinking of a "tether" between your Medic and Doom. The length of the tether equals Doom's movement, or his taxi if he still has one. You must be able to reach the Medic at any time, or else your opponent can and will wipe him out with a quickness.

Building a Doom team also adds one other wrinkle: taking advantage of that Minions of Doom ability. You've got Doom, your other attackers, and your support staff... you simply won't have room for some slacker you only brought in to get his team ability. However, there are characters you can take who give you decent utility for a low price. Let me suggest one that a lot of people overlook: V Skrull Warrior. With Doom's own range being so short, having the 8-range fireball on your force comes in handy right away. On an all-Marvel team, you won't be able to take that R Robin, so you might as well try that Skrull ability out. But let me tell you from painful experience -- *remember to roll for it!!!*

All told, this guy's definitely worth considering in your forces if you have him. Just keep in mind that he only works as part of a team effort; don't expect him to anchor your team all by his lonesome.

Now let's go back to that price. Nearly *fifty dollars* for an LE3! As I already pointed out, it amazes me that an LE3 is selling for more than most LE5 figures. Doom's a great figure, but I can't recommend that price to anyone in good conscience. Hold out and see if it will come down, or be prepared to sacrifce a lot of your own trading stock for him.

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That's it for this week. With XPlosion coming out next week, I'm going to take a look at a couple X-Men LEs and how they fit in with their new teammates. After that, I'll probably need to be nasty again and shred one of the turkeys and take another poke into the DC stock... maybe both at once. As always, requests are welcome and discussion is highly encouraged.

Thanks again!

-J

LurkMaster2000
03/19/2003, 09:26
first reply!

:D

okay, now to actually read the review... ;)

Spidersense
03/19/2003, 09:30
I hate to break it to you since you are done with the review, but that ain't Pulsewave on his first two clicks, its Energy Explosion.

shin-goji
03/19/2003, 09:35
I also have to point out that this IS a Doombot. He's one who has gone mad and thinks that he is the real Doctor Doom thanks to his faulty programming. Look at the spelling on the LE. If it was the real Doc Doom, it also would have read "Victor Von Doom".

RavenProject
03/19/2003, 09:45
Wow, it takes a perceived error to get quick replies.

First...

By the name and number, he's obviously the LE version of a Doombot.

So yah, I knew that. :) But with that power set, it's just easier to think of him as a sub-Rookie Dr. Doom.

Second...

The Doctor Doom I have shows clearly yellow on Attack for those two clicks, which is Pulse Wave. (Well, not so clearly since I can barely see the yellows on most CT dials) Since the rest of the dial is colored properly, I have to believe it's genuine and not a misprint.

I'm afraid the Warriors section is incorrect regarding those first two clicks *or* there are multiple versions of Doctor Doom out there. (Great, an LE with variants, like the price couldn't go higher!)

(For the record, I saw the same thing with Dominic Petros -- Warriors lists him with EE, mine has PW.)

-J

DerangedHermit
03/19/2003, 09:49
Originally posted by Spidersense
I hate to break it to you since you are done with the review, but that ain't Pulsewave on his first two clicks, its Energy Explosion.
Incorrect. I have the figure and it is most definitely Pulse Wave that he has.

Spidersense
03/19/2003, 10:10
Ok. I looked at the Warriors section which must be wrong. Sorry. Sometimes it is easy to confuse yellow with orange. I did it with the E Invisible Girl. I was having her use defend when in reality she had toughness.

DerangedHermit
03/19/2003, 10:28
Originally posted by Spidersense
Ok. I looked at the Warriors section which must be wrong. Sorry. Sometimes it is easy to confuse yellow with orange. I did it with the E Invisible Girl. I was having her use defend when in reality she had toughness.
Not your fault. It DOES say EE on on Warriors section, but that isn't correct.

LuckyJ
03/19/2003, 10:31
please tell me you're kidding. She DOES have defend...you are kidding, right?

Mr. Pilkington
03/19/2003, 10:46
I like to think that the Doctor Doom LE represents Kristoff fromt he comic continuity. He was conditioned to think that he was Dr. Doom and acted as such for a while in the comics. He makes a good cantidate for a sub-rookie Doom.

All in all I really want this figure. Doom is my favorite Marvel villain (with Thanos a close second). But I've never seen one as prize support and I don't want to pay that much for him. *sigh*

AZS
03/19/2003, 10:55
Originally posted by LuckyJ
please tell me you're kidding. She DOES have defend...you are kidding, right?E Invisible Girl starts with toughness and gets Defend later.

Nice review RP. Thanks for taking the time.
I don't have one (as I keep coming in first, yeah yeah, poor me), but I did look over his stats. At first I was very taken with his plethora of powers and stats, then I realized you're paying 68 points for a dude with only 5 clicks of life.
That's an aweful lot of points to sacrifice to Firelord with one hit. (or as my friend is fond of doing, a V Thor w/ running shot carrying a Shield medic).

But you offer some great strategic ideas. Thanks again.

ps,
Also, thanks for linking to my reviews, but fair warning if you haven't read them before; both the Doom and Doombot reviews are specifically intended to be humorous, not strategic. :)

RavenProject
03/19/2003, 11:37
At first I was very taken with his plethora of powers and stats, then I realized you're paying 68 points for a dude with only 5 clicks of life.
That's an aweful lot of points to sacrifice to Firelord with one hit. (or as my friend is fond of doing, a V Thor w/ running shot carrying a Shield medic).


Yah, it is a big hunk of points begging to have the Mastermind Outwitted and then smacked down. That's a big danger, and why I strongly recommend playing a full-team strategy.

This isn't a piece that newbies can pick up and take advantage of effectively. If you want to get your points worth out of him, it takes some tricky work on positioning and actual *teamwork.*

It's also why I'm so psyched about assigning E or V Doombot as a taxi; they can take a blast from Firelord and still limp back to the Medic on their own power. It also gives you some wicked options for Wildcard action, *and* lets you maintain a theme for your team.


Also, thanks for linking to my reviews, but fair warning if you haven't read them before; both the Doom and Doombot reviews are specifically intended to be humorous, not strategic. :)

Well, yah, but they're a) Hilarious (I'd fully expected "Doom" to emerge and reply here) and b) All we've got. :)

-J

THE_DoctorDoom
03/19/2003, 14:10
Doctor Doom does not like impostors^^ This pathetic Doombot is a cheap knock off, possibly made in hong kong, and would not possibly be able to pass himself off as the real Doom^

So says DOOM^

Loganz
03/19/2003, 15:07
Good review by the way, however i do think that he would be more effective as a super taxi, kind of like the Green Goblin in Xplosion. You could cart around Doc sampson having him do 6 clix of damage.

Deadfish
03/23/2003, 21:41
Great review-I really, really want one but guess it'll only be a dream

Jason Blood
03/23/2003, 21:46
Originally posted by THE_DoctorDoom
Doctor Doom does not like impostors^^ This pathetic Doombot is a cheap knock off, possibly made in hong kong, and would not possibly be able to pass himself off as the real Doom^

So says DOOM^

I had no Idea that Doctor Doom had his Doombots made in Hong Kong

the itsy bit
03/24/2003, 08:01
Dr.Doombot !!

great review Ravenproject !
Victor Von Doom is great and the only LE which is worthy !

I will definately trade for him against any other LE, If I get the chance.

tyroc
03/26/2003, 09:48
i suggest doctor doom le carrying v logan that way you could use logan as stealth and if someone does manage to hit you you can mastermind it into logan so he is at his peak (flurry/blades claws) then you also have perplex for logans attack. Also if someone hits you to hard then it should put logan into regenerate.

my two and a half cents

Nevest
04/02/2003, 12:42
Another interesting review. I'd love to get a LE Doom but I certainly won't be paying the going rate for him. Maybe if I'm lucky he'll be a prize in a tournament sometime soon.

el_frawg
04/21/2003, 18:26
I also like the fact that he is in the cheapest combo of Mastermind and Invulnerability (Dr. Doom LE and Sandman R)

quicklymilktea
09/22/2003, 17:03
Hm, so what is the final verdict on this? Does LE Doom have pulse wave or EE on the first 2 clicks?

Both HCrealms and Wizkids have it as EE...

RavenProject
09/22/2003, 23:04
The stats here and on the WizKids site are inaccurate.

The figure shows Pulse Wave.

It's definitely not a color plate error, because Toughness shows the normal orange.

The PTB at WK have stated that the figure is correct, not the web site.

-J

tyroc
09/22/2003, 23:57
just wanted to add that i used him tonight and tk'd him into a crowd of my opponents enemies. i then pulsewaved 6 of them and killed 2 of them(last click) He died fairly quick afterwards but he was well worth his use as i gained points for v storm and e cyclops

a hard piece to use but definately usefull with the updated pulse wave rules. Also probably better in over 500 point battles or as cleanup in a lower point battle.

the itsy bit
09/23/2003, 06:36
Pulsewave !!

yep the figure is always correct, so says Doom !

units section have a bigger chance of being wrong (battle furied Thanos anybody ?).

Deepak420
03/21/2004, 07:17
Originally posted by Jason Blood
I had no Idea that Doctor Doom had his Doombots made in Hong Kong

Well, it was only a matter of time with all of that globalization and WTO and all:grin: