Xplosion Final Sneak Peek - Apocalypse

[Draddog]

<TABLE BORDER="0" WIDTH="500" ALIGN="CENTER"><TR><TD><IMG SRC="/images/Apocalypse.gif"></TD><TD><FONT SIZE="1"><P><B>Play Tip:</B> Apocalypse brings a strange mix of abilities to the table: Phasing, Invulnerability, Leadership, and even Super Strength. Apocalypse is a good piece for a large force; back him up with characters with Support and with ranged-combat units, and let him wade in. Near the end, he has Phasing again, letting him run to safety (and perhaps a medic).</TD></TR></TABLE>

<P><A HREF="/cgi-bin/get_unit.cgi?num=xp088">Apocalpse's Offical Stats can be seen here</A>. The annoucement of the Sneak Peek said that Jon L. was away at GenCon and the Game Design Tip would come later in the week.

[CyberVenom]

Awesome sculpt! Simply awesome!

[sly spy]

frist it cool yes xp rocks

[Magnito]

cool

[Joe Kerr]

I think he looks cool, bye bye DC talk.

[bjmc1975]

He looks good. Not DC good, but good.

[XSuicidalX]

niiiice

[Renokhan]

Did anyone notice on the dial view a 6 under damage for the third clix?

This has to be a typo right?

[PaladinKWA]

Either that or he broke out the whupping stick!

[freakyfraser]

I noticed the same thing. It would be cool if it were true, but i suspect it's simply a typo.

[Jay10]

I hope it isn't a typo, that way it would make Apocalypse worth playing.

[Symbiote8]

now THATS what im talking about

he's no mandarin, but still...

[Jamesbondcja]

Real nice looking figure!

Cant Wait till next week to see all figures and stats.

[theLex]

I've always hated Apocalypse as a character in the comics (and the X-Men cartoon), but this guy looks playable.

[Magnito]

Personnaly, I think he deserves a six damage.

[ducko5]

ehhh.... he's okay. BRING ON COSMIC JUSTICE!

[Richard]

He's got invulnerability on his first two clicks and then 6 damage, how would you plan to capitalize on that? It just has to be a typo.

[Red Gambit]

Wow. Imagine perplexing that! He also has super-strength on that click. 6+2 on a heavy - 8 clicks! Yikes. And plasticity. Wow.
If I have him, he'll see some play.

[Action_Jackson]

Hey, neat! I was right about my prediction.

Hmm. Well, it's definitely a cool sculpt, but I don't see the 6 damage. Maybe I got a faulty link?

[shin-goji]

Man that is one hell of a power spike if it is 6. Add two for a heavy object or three for a soda machine and even a Sentinel have cause to blink!

[Red Gambit]

And I didn't notice - 4 range! 4 range and 6 clicks! Push him to get to that, and have a flier drop him close enough to anyone... Yikes!

[Spidersense]

I'm sure it is a typo. Remember some people got this figure at MegaCon. I'm sure we would have heard about it if he had 6 damage.

[Renokhan]

The Warriors section has him doing 3 damage through his first three clixs.

The 6 is most likely a typo.

[Danos]

That will be great when you tell your opponent, "Yeah, that will be 6 clicks of damage." The look on their face will be priceless.

[I_Blame_You]

Originally posted by Magnito
Personnaly, I think he deserves a six damage.

Well....he might....but not as it relates to existing figs that don't approach that damage.

[Brigadier M]

Originally posted by Draddog
The annoucement of the Sneak Peek said that Jon L. was away at GenCon and the Game Design Tip would come later in the week.

That should be GAMA. GenCon's not till the end of July.

M!

[wonderboy8917]

I just have to say it's pretty sad to see wizkids is already making mistakes on posting the official stats. I mean common this is the 1st Official post of stats for X-plosion and there's already a mistake. If you've followed heroclix from the beginning, you know this is no new surprise as there were (and probably still are) many mistakes in the stats of the older sets on the website. I was just hoping wizkids would have their act together by now. Oh well.

[hudson20]

What he needed was somthing like 3 clicks of outwit in place of his 3 leadership clicks. It would be approiate for him and make him very playable.

[Spidersense]

Originally posted by wonderboy8917
I just have to say it's pretty sad to see wizkids is already making mistakes on posting the official stats. I mean common this is the 1st Official post of stats for X-plosion and there's already a mistake. If you've followed heroclix from the beginning, you know this is no new surprise as there were (and probably still are) many mistakes in the stats of the older sets on the website. I was just hoping wizkids would have their act together by now. Oh well.

In a quote from the fantastic movie "Stripes"...

"Lighten up Francis."

[Puuka]

hmmmm

http://www.wizkidsgames.com/heroclix/marvel/figuregallery.asp?releaseid=20

[Red Gambit]

Yeah, it's a mistake. Darn.

[freakyfraser]

"hmmmmm"

I don't get what you are trying to say. I used the link.....so?

[avila_martin]

Yea, its probably a typo but hey we can dream right? IF it isn't...that just is cool.

[scaryscrawler]

Originally posted by Spidersense
I'm sure it is a typo. Remember some people got this figure at MegaCon. I'm sure we would have heard about it if he had 6 damage.

I looked at the wizkids site before coming here. He only had a 3 on the third click when I looked. So yeah, it's a typo which has already been corrected.

[Noman]

Lovely fig, but I think the points are a bit overcosted for what you get on the dial.

AtB

Noman

[Marty]

I'm sad they made Apocalypse this weak, I think he should have more clicks of Invulnerability.

[Starman#1!]

Previously, when this guy's dial had been posted, people were complaining that it wasn't strong enough stats-wise. But if you look at it with the long view. . .
1) It's a pretty deep dial.
2) It's a consistent dial. We're talking Hercules-consistent. AV never drops below 8, damage never drops below two. 3 clicks of 10 AV at the beginning, and toughness all the way down. Plus, he has perplex in the middle for a bit so almost anything he's lost by taking damage he can make up by perplexing.

I for one think his dial is very strong, especially for the points, and this makes me reaaaaal glad I decided to split a case with my bud sfield! Now, how to find a way to get rid of him so the whole case is mine. . .

[holocaust]

I think poison would be your best option.

[kdog13]

everything look s perfect, can't wait to pull one

[tonystark]

Pair him up with one or two of the sets many perplexers and you could have a very useful figure.

[Manchine]

Dude Mr Grumpy pants is out.

[bigbird]

41st post

[WarHULK]

I like his dial. Sure, it's not the insane powerhouse alot of us were expecting but he is very solid for indoor map games. His stats hardly change, he can phase in, tie people up, then phase away to get healed... and let's not forget that he can pick up items in other rooms and crush people with them. I am content with this version for now and am looking forward to another Apoc. Unique in a later set that is the late '90's powerhouse heh heh.

[Jadehorde]

Originally posted by Magnito
Personnaly, I think he deserves a six damage.

Nah..it looks like five is the max damage in Clix...I could see a five given to him, but not more than that.

[edlawdawg]

This Apoc is cool. Although, I'm hoping for a future Age of Apoc. unique with perhaps a more powerful dial.

[Shin_Yagami]

I would have thought they'd give him 5 clicks of Invul or even inpervious, because it seemed to take all of the X-Men to damage or defeat him etc. 3 damage? Thats a joke, Magneto does more damage than him, and thats jsut laughable at best. It's like my friends debate how Superman was made too weak as well. In my opinion he deserves 4 clix of damage AT least.

[hemlock]

He will be a good fight for the X-men. So getting him wouldn't be that bad. Apocalypse is an indoors figure for sure.

[ArcaneJ]

The first mutant and, perhaps, the single most powerful mutant and XP Elektra could kick his a$$. Right.

[harles2000]

in reply to the post about splitting a case and needing to get rid of your friend, why not look into my profile. i have an addy there that may be of use to you - seriously low price heroclix, and theyre pretty friendly, if a little on the slow side when its ship time. ive done business with them several times already and have been pretty happy.

and as far as xp elektra being able to whup apairalips your right, and there is something wrong there. a guy who can reengineer mutants to make them more powerful, a guy who has survived for thousands of years, a guy who is just downright massive in terms of power and Elektra with a gun can beat him senseless, hmm. oh well, still want one.

[Bullit]

First off the sculpt is way cool! But I think his stats should be boosted way up..... I mean IT IS APOCALYPSE!

[Batman1983]

Darkseid costs 151 hes not the most expensive or powerful DC clix & hes Darkseid! Why complain aboutwhat cannot be changed. Apocalypse is playable & affordable. Plus he looks great.

[Thanosied]

I have to say I like alot of the changes people have offered on how to make this fig better. In my opinion it comes down to something so simple.. You see those first 3 clicks of Leadership? Well simply change that to Outwit and he becomes the Apocalypse everyone in the Universe wanted. Well I wont hijack this post but what I will say is that this Apocalypse has to come from some short span in some kind of comic history because the Apocalypse I know uses people as pawns not to LEAD!!! Sounds simple enough but then again I am the great Thanosied after all.

[PantherPriest]

Using people as pawns is leading. He didn't lead like say captain america leads, but he did get people to do what he wanted.

It will be quite interesting to see what Jon L's notes are in regards to apocalypse. He must have conciously made this decision to make apocolypse as he did, so he will hopefully have a good explanation. I'm a little dissapointed, and probably won't use the figure unless I pull him in a booster draft. I don't mind that he's weak, what upsets me is that he's bland, nothing new or innovative, stats are pretty dependable, and besides a little plasticity he's nothing terribly new. But I wish I cared, I only wondered why. Outwit would make him... nope I still wouldn't care.

Great Thanosied? Wasn't this supposed great Thanosied partake in an online battle that never happened?

[ScrewOnHead]

hey, correct me if i'm wrong but didn't apocolypse always have a big, stupid looking "A" as a belt buckle? ....this fig just doesn't seem complete without it....

[the itsy bit]

Originally posted by PantherPriest
Using people as pawns is leading. He didn't lead like say captain america leads, but he did get people to do what he wanted.

It will be quite interesting to see what Jon L's notes are in regards to apocalypse.

what upsets me is that he's bland, nothing new or innovative, stats are pretty dependable, and besides a little plasticity he's nothing terribly new.


1) yep leadership has many diffenerent faces (dictatorship,good examples, etc.)

2) I'm always interrested in what made JonL make a certain fig in a certain way (even If I don't agree with it)

3)hmmmm, no I disagree !
phasing, platicity Superstrenght and Inv. etc. are done in a great new way.
yes, they're "still" thesame powers we get to see, but I see it as a good way of interpretating Apocalypse's powers.

[Akakrz]

Well, I think the sculpt is okay, but I REALLY think he needs his A on his belt.....ITs lame and all, but its so apocolypse!

Anyways, compare his stats to Veteran Swamp thing and tell me who you'd rather have on your team.......

Its close, but Apocolypse is just to much points for what little things he has better than Swampy. I'll take the hight attack, one more click of Impervious any day over more plasticity and toughness

[remywokeup]

Has anyone else noticed that the attack values and defenses of the figures in Xplosion have been down graded?

It seems like they're attempting to make it more DC compatible.

189 point Iron Man with a max AV of 10? Things seem to be changing.

Not complaining, just noticing.

It's kind of been happening since the first set. If you look at the big-wigs from Infinity Challenge to Clobberin' Time, you can see a slight drop.

15 for Thanos drops to 12 for Thor. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with this, Thanos has consistently whooped Thor. But there seems to be a trend. Like they realized after making Hyper Time, that there were some compatibility issues between the two Universes.

It seems like they've been trying to dwindle the numbers on the Marvel guys down, but didn't want all the Clobberin' Timers to get wasted by the Infinity Challengers. Sadly, the numbers are going down further for Xplosion. I think we'll see the Xplosioners missing their cohorts frequently.

Maybe that's why there's so much Perplex. Eh?

[Jaysinlane]

You guys sure are negative.

Anybody use Vision? I do, at 112 pts he is really good, flier, phasing, super str, Inv........something seems familiar.......oh YEAH! Apocalypse has the same powers, but he keeps them for LONGER, not to mention he then gets perplex.

And he only costs 21 more points than Vision. Big A rules.

[joferma0]

This apocalypse seems a sick joke from Wizkids. That's not Apocalypse, it's only an "Apocalypbot".

BTW, what's the matter with Impervious in Marvel HC?

[Richard]

You will never see a Marvel fig with Impervious. If Juggernaut, Hulk, Thanos, Blob, Thor, & knowing the "God-like levels he gets raised to) Wolverine does not have Impervious no one will. Unless Wizkids makes Galactus or the Celestials, I wouldn't look for Impervious in Marvel HeroClix.

Watch the new Hulk have Impervious just to prove me wrong.

[PantherPriest]

Why, praytell, would they ever give wolverine imperviousness? ...oh, I guess I understand. But it doesn't matter, imperviousness blows, it doesn't work against anything that doesn't target it.

[bullseye100]

nice sculpt--hate that it's missing an A, and his stats don't seem that right to me.--but good sculpt.

[Richard]

From PantherPriest
Why, praytell, would they ever give wolverine imperviousness? ...oh, I guess I understand.

Wolverine could beat anyone in the Marvel Universe. Just a few years back I could have said the same thing about the Punisher. That's why. But sarcasm aside, Impervious just does not apply in the Marvel Universe.

[Kudger]

I can't wait for big scenario games with apocolypse, this set is going to rock!

[Melkoloran]

Definitely ready for Apocalypse. I've been waiting for him since IC.

[Veggiehater]

Originally posted by Jaysinlane
You guys sure are negative.

Anybody use Vision? I do, at 112 pts he is really good, flier, phasing, super str, Inv........something seems familiar.......oh YEAH! Apocalypse has the same powers, but he keeps them for LONGER, not to mention he then gets perplex.

And he only costs 21 more points than Vision. Big A rules.

The big A is ok, but I wouldn't say that he's quite up to par with Vision.

You've pointed out his advantages over our bionic buddy, but what does Vis have over Apoc.

Let's see:
A Superior range of 10 (as compared to a measly 4)
Avengers Team Ability (though not that important to 100+ point figures)
Higher Defense Values
Higher Attack Values
1 Extra click Super Strength
And a 21 point cost discount

So I have to say that Vision takes this one over Apocalypse, though the multiple clicks of plasticity do open a multitude of possibilities...

VH

[Veggiehater]

sorry double posted, please ignore...

VH

[trust7]

Originally posted by wonderboy8917
I just have to say it's pretty sad to see wizkids is already making mistakes on posting the official stats. I mean common this is the 1st Official post of stats for X-plosion and there's already a mistake. If you've followed heroclix from the beginning, you know this is no new surprise as there were (and probably still are) many mistakes in the stats of the older sets on the website. I was just hoping wizkids would have their act together by now. Oh well.

If you check the link, that is not to Wizkids site that is an hcrealms link, so the "official" stats would still have had to be entered by a human at hcrealms, possibly allowing for the faulty 6 or then again maybe they were just trying to make you drool hehehe.

[Basil Elks]

he looks awesome.

[Dalmatio69]

Originally posted by Veggiehater
The big A is ok, but I wouldn't say that he's quite up to par with Vision.

You've pointed out his advantages over our bionic buddy, but what does Vis have over Apoc.

Let's see:
A Superior range of 10 (as compared to a measly 4)
Avengers Team Ability (though not that important to 100+ point figures)
Higher Defense Values
Higher Attack Values
1 Extra click Super Strength
And a 21 point cost discount

So I have to say that Vision takes this one over Apocalypse, though the multiple clicks of plasticity do open a multitude of possibilities...

VH
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Of course the Big-A's higher and more consistent damage is incredibly important seeing as both these figures are over 100 points and will probally be the focus of your team.

[shin-goji]

I don't know why so many people are upset that Apoc doesn't have the A on his belt. Here we have a centuries old super villian who has a letter on his belt so he can remember what the first letter of his name is. Just 60's cheesy in my opinion, but to each their own....

[mutanttoad]

i want to get him so baaaaaaddddd. oh by the way i am new.:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[mutanttoad]

i want to get him so baaaaaaddddd. oh by the way i am new.:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[mutanttoad]

i want to get him so baaaaaaddddd. oh by the way i am new.:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Spider-fan 930]

Apocalypse rules

[GeorgeDaGreat]

I wish Apocklypsy was made last set. Oh well its here now.

[Thanosied]

Fig looks like straight out of X-Factor to me. Cool abilities but with the lack of OUTWIT in this upcoming set why wouldn't WIZKIDS take a PERFECT opportunity and give this character that power. He is always 2 steps ahead of the X-clowns and has many back up plans. He is not on par with Doctor Doom but he is rediculously intellegent. One question, what constitutes Outwit nowadays? Will we ever see it again? Do only Spider-man figurines get it? Is it the ability to run away?

What I think and hope it should be is this: 1)The ability to design great schemes to gain great power (Thanos), 2)To be many steps ahead of your opponents (Doctor Doom), 3)To be supremely intellegent(Mr.Fantastic), 4)To have or gain the knowledge to defeat any foe (Batman), and lastly 5)To be able to use pawns in all endeavors. (Darkseid, Apocalypse).

These are uses for what I think constitutes Outwit. I think somewhere along the line everyone got the "evil genius thing" to always represent Perplex, except in Doom's case. I think these are good reasons for Outwit and I personally would like to know the explanation for the Jon L era of how Outwit will be determined?

I see for sure that Mr.Fantasic, Doctor Doom, Spider-man, Taskmaster, WhiteQueen, IronMan, Mandarin and Nick Fury have all been created during this era. In my opinion I would give Apocalypse OUTWIT before at least 4-5 of those figs . I personally believe after his Plasticity, OUTWIT represents the skill used most often by Apocalypse in the comics.

[Thanosied]

oops...

[Dalmatio69]

Originally posted by Thanosied
5)To be able to use pawns in all endeavors. (Darkseid, Apocalypse).

Isnt that more of what Mastermind was created for?

[rcoperich]

Sounds like you're describing Leadership in most of those cases...

[Thanosied]

The point I guess I am trying to make is. How can we determine the difference between Perplex, Outwit and Leadership? I personally wouldn't have given any Spidey Outwit. I think Outwit should be the ability to render your opponents powers completely useless. If this where the case in the HC it would turn into Incapacitate, which is silly. I think the good or evil, ultra intellegent, scheme makers, creators of great tools and villians who can inherently live to fight another day or heroes that can seemingly defeat any foe no matter how powerful. These are examples of what I think should constitute Outwit. I will agree that he could hae leadership but I think Outwit in his case makes more sence.

[Vash69]

This figure in my oppinion needs to have his whole dial re-done. I was personally hoping for a Crazy Apocalypse that was like 250 pts. or somthing that had 5 dmage with close combat expert, and a 20 defense on the first click, atleast a 6 range, to make it more insane have a 18 attack on the first click, and lastly to make him worth all 250 pts. he should have impervious for the first 3 clicks, and invunerability for the next 8. Thats my own view, cause i beleive we needed a crazy Apocalypse instead of a leader one. my .02 cents.

[Kudger]

It's kind of funny how we were supposed to get Jon L's game design tip later in the week and its been 8 days... just noticing.

[shin-goji]

I wonder if they'll put designer notes at the WK official site too. I'd love to see all their ideas.