Is she hulk really a member of the FF?

[Zero_Ace]

Hello. My friend and I (you know who you are) are having an argument over she hulk really being a part of the FF. I know she was there for awhile but I think she was there just to replace Thing and was never really part of the team. I would like to know the opinoins of you, my fellow gamers. Tell me do you think she Hulk is really part of the FF? I mean Really?

[gaidin]

She wore a FF Uniform and everything...

I believe she joined at the end of the Secret Wars as Ben Grimm wished to stay on the battle planet for a while because of the wish fulfillment that allowed him to switch back to his human form and he wanted to think about some things. So he asked She-Hulk to take his place on the team and she agreed and went back with them instead of the Avengers.

When the Thing did come back to earth he didn't rejoin the team he went into wrestling for a while and she hulk stayed on the FF.

So that is how my hole filled memory remembers it ( I was never a real big FF reader so I am just remembering from seeing the book on the shelf and reading cross overs and such.)

Gaidin

[BboyShockwave]

She definently was. She was in the team for over a year, I think it was even like two years. Because she was replacement for the thing doesn't mean she shouldn't be counted. Hawkeye, Scarlett Witch and Quicksilver were replacement Avengers for Giant-Man, Thor and Iron Man, doesn't mean they weren't Avengers at the time.

[Zero_Ace]

What you say is true, but I still believe they just put her in there because there wasn't much goin for her and besides, you can't call it the "Fantastic Three" right? I mean with the 4 on their shirts and everything.

[bizzaro]

She was definately a part of the fantastic four. She joined for several years I believe and was an offical member. Just because some took over the "bruiser" responsibilites of the Thing doesn't mean she wasn't an actual member.

[DS-00-0, FSD]

Wasn't much going for her??

She had been an Avenger for quite some time before that. She's not like some mope that happened to come along or was specifically created as a replacement.

IIRC, John Byrne was working on the FF at the time. He also wrote The Thing's solo series at the time.

There have been many stand-ins in the history of the FF.

Medusa standing in for Sue (which is why she has the FF team on her CT Unique).
Crystal for Sue.
Power Man for Ben.
She-Hulk for Ben.
Crystal (again) and Ms Marvel/She-thing for Sue and Reed.

These are just off the top of my head. I've not kept up with the FF in recent years, so who knows.

All of those replacement members have been considered "Official Members" of the FF.

[zapdos]

I told you! BTW there were fantastic three comic's.

[Zero_Ace]

I still say it ain't REALLY the FF without Ben, Reed and the Storms. Yeah but what I'm trying to say is that it ain't really good with those guys. Doesn't ANYONE understand????

[Captain K.]

No, we don't. Under your logic, there are no Avengers besides Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, Giant Man, and Wasp. There are no X-Men besides Cyclops, Marvel Girl, Iceman, Beast, and Angel.

She-Hulk, Power Man, Crystal, Medusa, and Ms. Marvel are all official members of the FF, whether you like it or not.

[RavenProject]

Think of it this way, Zero...

One of the greatest hooks to the Fantastic Four is that they are indeed a family.

The core of that family is and will always be Reed, Sue, Johnny and "Unca Ben."

However, over the years the FF has welcomed a number of others into their family. She-Hulk has probably been the most warmly received of them all, welcomed into the fold for a surprisingly long time and still considered "family" even though she's back with the Avengers.

Meanwhile, from this side of the fourth wall, many fans consider the John Byrne era on Fantastic Four to be second only to Lee and Kirby for the series. As others have pointed out, She-Hulk was indeed a member for much of that amazing run. Making one of her versions an FF member was a wonderful way for the designers to tip their hats to the comic fans by ensuring that period was represented.

-J

[DS-00-0, FSD]

I understand what you are saying, but tend to not agree with it.

I believe you are looking at the FF and really seeing how the original four have so much in common:

1. There are strong ties between each member: Reed and Ben were college roommates, Sue and Johnny are siblings, Reed and Sue get married. They have a family-feeling to them. When you throw in some of the other mambers, that is not always present.

2. They all share the same origin. They were all effected by the same circumstance that put them in the hero business.


The others are still members of the team, regardless of the circumstances surrounding how the got their powers or why they were asked to join. Capt K has a good point. If you do not think that She-hulk is a member of the FF, then Wolverine and Gambit are not "real" members of the X-men either.

[Random]

that's like asking if I was really a member of the Marine Corps. I was there for a little while, but I didn't help found it or anything, and I left after a while. Does that mean I was never REALLY a marine?

[osh11102]

Once a Marine,
ALWAYS a Marine.

[darius_dax1]

Originally posted by Zero_Ace
I still say it ain't REALLY the FF without Ben, Reed and the Storms. Yeah but what I'm trying to say is that it ain't really good with those guys. Doesn't ANYONE understand????

There are only a handful of F4 members that are not the originals. They usually are hand-picked by one of the others in the group as a replacement and membership in the FF is like having extended family and shouldn't be taken lightly.

By the way: Did you know that there is a Fantastic Four story featuring Ghost Rider, Hulk, Spider-man, and Wolverine as the FF (kind of).

And let us not forget H.E.R.B.I.E. the robot. replacing Human Torch.

[jwc]

Hey I've got that issue. The cover was done by Art Adams. It was great. I forgot why the real FF were missing though at that time. I think they were stuck in another dimension or somethind during that story arc, and there were some guest spots during that time, but yes "Shulkie" was a member of the FF. That's why she's wearing the "colors" on her fig... blue/white. Can't wait til they make Crystal or any others. I love playing FF, but their numbers are so limiting.

jwc

[Oldguynewbie]

You were thinking of She-Hulk and wrote:

Originally posted by DS-00-0, FSD
other mambers,

Too funny!

[DS-00-0, FSD]

Yeah, must havehad that one issue with the nudie magazine guy on my mind.

"Green tinted glasses..." He he!

[clandestine400]

Even though she rejoined the Avengers and Thing returned she has still been known to team up with them from time to time when needed.

I can think of the X-men vs. FF mini-series as an example, maybe others can cite other examples.

[ontapmedia]

I just want to echo the sentiments of those who have explained the validity of She-Hulk's membership. I've been a comic collector for over 20 years. I read and collected all the books involved with She Hulk's run on the team.

She-Hulk's run on the team is the most realized and most relative of all the memberships outside the original four. Someone who mentioned the Fill in team of Ghost Rider, Hulk, Logan and Spidey probably meant well but did more harm then good.

That team is not really the Fantastic Four. They were never appointed the membership by an existing member. She-Hulk was on the team longer then any of the other fill ins.

It's important that many mention the very important family theme of the team. In real family's people come and go from outside the home. We all have in-laws or cousins, aunts, uncles, step siblings, whatever. (I dont have inlaws or step anythings but I know many people do) It's normal to have an extended family.

I consider She-Hulk, Crystal, Mrs. Marvel and to a lesser extent Powerman to be a part of that extended family. I think most of the heroes of the marvel universe are all an extended family to Franklin. He's a bridge between the X-men and the FF due to his mutant status.

She-Hulk is a bridge between the Avengers and FF.

Spiderman is not an FF member but he's always been close with Johnny and that gives him a very close relationship to the team. Reed respects that underneath the mask he knows Spiderman is scientifically gifted.

All right I'll get off my Soapbox. - Terrence

[darius_dax1]

Originally posted by ontapmedia
She-Hulk's run on the team is the most realized and most relative of all the memberships outside the original four. Someone who mentioned the Fill in team of Ghost Rider, Hulk, Logan and Spidey probably meant well but did more harm then good.

That team is not really the Fantastic Four. They were never appointed the membership by an existing member.

I did say (kind of) in that post. It was 3 issues of fun story and just wanted to mention it for those that didn't know about it. And besides, how could harm be done here?:)

[Bedrock Bully]

Shulkie even knocked boots with Wyatt Wingfoot. If that doesn't make her part of the family I dunno what does!

[Hellboy]

Originally posted by Captain K.
No, we don't. Under your logic, there are no Avengers besides Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, Giant Man, and Wasp. There are no X-Men besides Cyclops, Marvel Girl, Iceman, Beast, and Angel.

She-Hulk, Power Man, Crystal, Medusa, and Ms. Marvel are all official members of the FF, whether you like it or not.

No offense, but just beleiving in something feircely doesn't make it so. Just because you don't like it, doesn't negate She Hulk's Membership. John Byrne's run of Fantastic four is widely acclaimed as a high point for the series. He did a great job. In addition to those line-up cahnges, jhonny quit at the end of that run, and Ben didn't come back until Jhonny did, and Reed & Sue left! Many members have breezed through & never really joined, or for very long; but not the She Hulk. She was the longest running stand-in character I can think of.

[Hellboy]

oops:

I still say it ain't REALLY the FF without Ben, Reed and the Storms. Yeah but what I'm trying to say is that it ain't really good with those guys. Doesn't ANYONE understand????

That was the post I meant to quote....

my bad....

[skyounkin]

:laugh:
Hey, she wore the 4 on her uniform like everyone else on the team! Reed just doesn't hand that symbol out like chuck does with the X for x-men where any goof ball mutant can join! #### straight she is a member! Are you just ticked cause her playablity is better than the things who was a founding member of the team?

[bizzaro]

Originally posted by Zero_Ace
I still say it ain't REALLY the FF without Ben, Reed and the Storms. Yeah but what I'm trying to say is that it ain't really good with those guys. Doesn't ANYONE understand????

Ok ..perhaps here is logic you can understand. You know the little box in the upper left corner of marvel comics that years ago had a picture? The avengers, x-men, etc. would all have headshots of the current membership of the team. check out Byrne's run ...little she-hulk appears in there.

She was a member of the FF whether you like it or not. Just beacuse I'm not a hug fan of the black knight (and he wasn't an orignal member) doesn't mean he wasn't an actual avenger, just a "fill in" as you put it. Heck .. there are plenty of x-men (marrow, etc.) that I would have rather not admit were ever officially x-men.

[Ro-gan]

darius_dax1:

I don't think ontapmedia was saying your statement did more harm than good. What I think he is saying is that the 3-issue run in the FF of that Spidey, Wolvie, Hulk, Ghost Rider team did more harm than good for the FF comic itself.

And I would have to agree with this. This had nothing to do with the FF as a team or a family. This was Marvel trying to "beef up" the sales of the dwindling FF comic by using the 4 "hottest" characters (at the time) as a fill-in team.

AND-- while I am still on the Soapbox-- I might as well give my .02 of opinion of the Torch being replaced by H.E.R.B.I.E.:

For those not in the know, H.E.R.B.I.E. replaced Johnny because Marvel was trying to make peace with all the liberal @ $ $ h o l e s out there. Apparently, either some dumb kid lit himself on fire trying to turn himself into the Human Torch OR the liberals were afraid this might happen. I heard it two different ways. This replacement originally occurred in the original cartoon series from the late-70's to early-80's. It then carried over into the comic book.

And before anyone wishes to remind me that John Byrne did a story where a kid did immolate himself in gasoline and light himself afire towards the end of his run on the series-- I know this. I actually thought it was a GREAT moral story. But this story by Byrne took place years after the H.E.R.B.I.E. replacement.

[darius_dax1]

ro_gan,

I disagree. He did say: "Someone who mentioned......probably meant well but did more harm then good." I'm not offended by that, I just thought it a funny/odd statement.

I agree that the Wolverine/Hulk/Spider-man/Ghost Rider (with special guest appearance by the Punisher) story was done to boost sales but that didn't make it a bad story. I kinda liked it. It wasn't the greatest and I think it was the art that Iliked more than the story.

H.E.R.B.I.E. was more of a throw-in for kicks in my post. I actually thought that the idea of replacing the Human Torch with a dumb robot because some kid (imagined or not) doused himself in gasoline and lit a match was really stupid (darn liberals!). It was mostly mentioned for a nostalgia kick.

[Ro-gan]

darius:

I think you are right about ontapmedia. I just re-read his thread 5+ times and can't make sense of it. I am trying to give him/her the benefit of the doubt that it wasn't an insult against you, but the more I read it the more I think it was. And if it was I can't figure out why.

Oh well!

Also:

I didn't mean any insult against you about my hopping on my Soapbox about the H.E.R.B.I.E. replacement.

I was ranting against the liberals. I remember watching the original cartoon when the replacement occurred and being very disappointed because to me the FF were Reed, Sue, Ben, and Johnny. Not some robot.

Although, I did like the issues in the comic when H.E.R.B.I.E went "nuts" and almost took over the Baxter Building. Great couple issues!

I believe that is when Sinnot was doing the art chores. IMHO Sinnot and Byrne are the ONLY artists that should be permitted to draw the FF. Ahhh, sweet nostalgia!

[darius_dax1]

I knew you didn't intend an insult...and you didn't. I was just clarifying my original post.

[ontapmedia]

Darius, what I meant by my statement was simply this. While it is true that that 3 issue teaming of Spiderman.hulk, ghost rider and logan did in fact take place in continuity and they are often refered to as the replacement Fantastic Four. They are not Fantastic Four in any shape or form.

What I meant by harm was that this thread has been established to proove that She Hulk was a true and Official member of the team. My logic was that by mentioning the "replacements" who are as it stands not members and never have been kinda makes it sound as if:

Well gee if thier not members, maybe she hulk isn't either.

I am not a casual fan. As stated I have collected the books for 20+ years I realize some clix fans may not follow the books and vice versa and beyond that some are not as old as I am. I'm 28 gonna be 29 on 4/23. Some do not know the history first hand and did not read the issues. Reading a synopsis of a run may not truly detail the involment of one character. I did read those issues and the secret wars and the Things that detailed his time on the Beyonder Planet and in the UWF (I think that's what the Wrestling Fed was called) So I did said what I said so that there was a distinction.

I just thought it did harm in the sense of confusing and complicating the explanation and justification of one supposed Fantastic Four member over an official member.

Ultimately I meant no offense to you. I just wanted there to be a clear distinction between the "replacements" and true fill in members.

I hope that my point was clear and that you do not take offense at my comment

[darius_dax1]

No offense was taken. Like I said I just wanted to mention it for fun.

Pro She-Hulk FF by the way.

[ontapmedia]

Darius, Thank you for understanding. I liked the story myself mostly because of the artwork. If I remember correctly it was Arthur Adams. I really miss him doing Marvel characters. Especially X-men annuals. Back when annuals were good.

I recent argued the validity of the Scorpion's membership on the MoE. I said he was and deserves the team affiliation. Others feel strongly he should have gotten Syndicate.

The truth is besides fighting Spiderman he has never been a memebr of the Sinister Six or the Syndicate which would seem to be the defining element for Syndicate membership.

Then again Kingpin got Syndicate for no reason at all. Unless you loosely go with the fact that the mob has often been refered to as the syndicate.

If people want him to be syndicate for no reason other then a shared hatred for Spidey a lot of people deserve it then but I say make an LE with the Syndicate affiliation. Of course you still cant please everybody.

By the way I used to love the Fantastic Four cartoon as a kid and I recently saw it on boomerang and was shocked at how horrible it seemed. Oh well. Best Regards - T.

[razz10555]

just to stir it up a little more:

doesn't ben grim have magic rings on each hand that turn him into the thing when he says "thing ring do your thing" then puts the rings together

who here remembers that

[darius_dax1]

Originally posted by razz10555
just to stir it up a little more:

doesn't ben grim have magic rings on each hand that turn him into the thing when he says "thing ring do your thing" then puts the rings together

who here remembers that

Just watch out for orange flying rocks! Man I wish I had that ring.

[zapdos]

No. He had a suit that he could take on and off until it broke. At least I think that's what it was.

[darius_dax1]

zapdos,

that was in the comic and i think the most recent ff cartoon. there was also a thing cartoon where that actually happened. i'm serious!

[razz10555]

I'm glad to see someI'm not the only one who remembers that

[darius_dax1]

I knew this was a cartoon re-write when I was a kid but I still enjoyed it.

[shin-goji]

Originally posted by razz10555
just to stir it up a little more:

doesn't ben grim have magic rings on each hand that turn him into the thing when he says "thing ring do your thing" then puts the rings together

who here remembers that

There is a special place for you in a Liefeld-drawn hell for making me remember that. God I feel old!

[darius_dax1]

Originally posted by shin-goji
a Liefeld-drawn hell

That would be absolutely horrible. Shin-goji, how could you think up that dreadful place?

[DocOck13]

according to wizard ant-man namor she-hulk ghost rider crystal hulk spider-man wolverine luke cage medusa wyatt wingfoot Dr doom franklin Richards.

[ontapmedia]

Doc Ock,

Antman, Wyatt Wingfoot, Luke Cage, Medusa, Crystal, Mrs Marvel (II or was it III?) and She Hulk were all members. Members who were made so by the existing team. The Hulk, Ghost Rider, Spidey and Logan formed a search party that went looking for the "First Family" of superheroes. They were never officially members but many consider them so as they were they stars of the book for a three issue run that featured them as the replacements. It was a gimmick and nothing more.

I asked Peter Parker earlier today and he told me though he's tried to join the Fantastic Four on many ocassions he has neve really fit in but he has a great respect for the team.

Hulk was unavailable for comment.

Ghost Rider was away in cancellation limbo

Logan was too busy to comment between multiple appearances in other peoples books his own books any title that bares an X and of course posing for his 613th hero clix rendition.

Just a side note Wizard is not the official word on anything. I was a big fan of Wizard before it lost it's way. I still collect the mag from time to time but usually bang my head against a wall after realizing how many stories they run are outdated, mis-interpeted and flat out uninteresting.

I appreciate the fact that you will find many sources that will quote that the replacements were Fantastic Four members but they weren't. Not because I say so but because they neve were asked to join they never accepted a membership and once they found the real deal they went back to thier respective titles with no lasting involvement beyond thier previous relationship to the team as allies who were in need of some help and got it.

If I'm not mistaken the Dr. Doom who joined wasn't even the real Dr. Doom but was Kristoff. I mean in classic story fashion every Team Arch Villian goes good at some point.

Examples:

Magneto did it twice once as the headmaster and once in the form of the Joseph.

Baron Zemo became Citizen V

Dr. Doom is often a hero in his own mind and has worked on the lighter side of the good/evil spectrum to serve his or his people's needs.

It's a classic plot line.

I mean the current Fantastic Four even has a member who if I understand this correctly is a daughter from an alternate timeline where Sue and Victor were together and spawned Katrina Von Doom.

Franklin is another thing entirely. He's aged, deaged had his powers, didn't have access to them, created an alternate earth to save the heroes from Onslaught. Been aged and deaged again appeared in the Days of Future's Past as the most powerful mutant ever. Was supposed to be one of the 12 that Master Mold was after and then wasn't. So Who is Franklin really I mean he seems to have a boatload of powers and he is clearly a member of the team simply by relationship and when the day comes he will clearly wear the unsatble molecule suit with a 4 insignia on it. So I can't and Won't argue Franklin being a member in his own unique way.

So if we count Franklin for all in his incarnations ... he's a Fantastic Four, Power Pack Generation X, X-men, Celestrial? member.

Just keep in mind he's like 7-8 years old and he's still drinking milk.

But alas Spidey Wolverine Ghost Rider and Hulk are alot of things from Avengers to X-men but they "ain't" never been Fantastic Four.

I'm off to fight for Spiderman having an Xmen team affiliation because he was part of the Amazing Friends and Iceman was on that team .... but hey so was Firestar so maybe he should be an Avenger. Oh that's right he was an Avenger (reserve) <<don't start....I'm warning you>> :)

Just being the pain
T.

[CosmicBeing]

Hey I figure in this game if someone is a friend/ally of a team or group for any length of time and substance then they can be part of the team aff.
I also think who your enemy is matters as well.
Ex. Kang was never really part of the MOE but his hardcore enemies are the Avengers, so they put him on.
Bullseye was never part of the Syn six but he's a Daredevil/Spiderman enemy....you get my point.

[ontapmedia]

By the way Kang has formed and lead at least one of the formations of the MoE. You are right about Bullseye and I meant to include him.

[Captain K.]

<<ant-man namor she-hulk ghost rider crystal hulk spider-man wolverine luke cage medusa wyatt wingfoot Dr doom franklin Richards>>

I wouldn't mind a version of any of these characters with an FF team, although the only ones who were official members were the ones already mentioned. Just because it would be fun to have a "replacement FF" of Spidey, GR, Hulk, and Wolvie.

Ant-man (Scott Lang version) filled in for Reed when he went missing, but Sue never accepted him as an official member, just hired help. Dr. Doom (Kristoff actually) aided them in the same storyline.

I don't remember Namor working directly with the FF, but he's been associated with the team for so long a clix with the FF team wouldn't be out of line. Actually Minions of Doom might be better for him. :)

As for Franklin, any members of the Fantastic Force would be justified having FF team also. Franklin's Psi-Lord incarnation would be his only playable version. (All other versions - My team is Franklin Richards - I win.)

[Zero_Ace]

Thank you sooooo much ontapmedia, and everyone else who's been proving me wrong and making me look dumb. I guess she Hulk was part of the FF. I don't like it though, it's just doesn't feel like it when the whole team isn't there. Like someone said, THat's what makes the team so special. I guess pretty much no one understands that. That what's made them that close, not like the X-men who's only known each other for awhile. I don't expect anyone to understand, what I'm sayin why she isn't really part of the FF is because she didn't go through everything that the rest went through toghether. That is one of the reasons I think make the FF really cool. They have known each other when thier lives were normal. Am I alone here?

[darius_dax1]

Pretty much you are alone.
I don't really think people are trying to make you look dumb. They are just presenting their side of the argument versus your side of the argument.
When you post an opinion like you did you have to expect that there will be opposing points of view and a debate will ensue.
I think everybody understands that what you are saying is:
You think that the 4 original members of the Fantastic Four are your favorite and you don't like any substitutes. But She-Hulk, and many others mentioned here, have been a part of the Fantastic Four, just as much as the original 4.

Why is it, that when someone posts a thread like this, they act like they are being teamed up on or treated unfairly if there are people that disagree with their point of view? You have to expect this on a public forum.

[Manchine]

Actually, Zero_Ace, your just to young to remember and see when She-Hulk was on the FF. It was a great story arc and such. She is a large part of the FF history. She defiantly deserves to be part of the FF.

Dang kids that dont know their History. (Comic History)

:laugh: :classic: :) :p

[ontapmedia]

Zero,

I really don't think you are dumb and if anything I do understand your point. I can't agree with it ultimately because your final conclusion is that you rather not accept it because it's not the way you envision it to be.

I may not want to accept that my mother has remarried a man I dont like but that doesn't make him any less her husband. It's a fact. I can't make things true or untrue based upon my preferences and perceptions.

That's life.

I quess the problem I have if any with you is one I have with alot of people who post a question like you did. Example:
Was spiderman a mutant? Answer: no he wasn't. Then the person with the question writes back to argue or defend thier point. I mean what's the point in asking if your going to argue the masses of people trying to clarify or give you the answer you seek?
Best of Luck,
Terrence

[Ro-gan]

Zero:

I see your point, but I think you should have re-worded your thread.

"Is she hulk really a member of the FF?" is your thread.

The answer is yes she was. For a very long story arc, in fact. I read each issue off the rack so I can say firsthand it was a great story arc.

BUT

I do see your point in that you believe the FF is:

Reed, Sue, Johnny and Ben.

I have to agree with you on this point. When I think of the FF I think of "the family." Accept no substitute.

But I do acknowledge that numerous times there have been replacement members. Even back in the 1970's when I was reading the FF (to name a few) replacements were always being used.

eg.: Sue being pregnant with Franklin, Reed lost his stretching powers, the liberals @ $ $ H O L E S in the world that twisted Marvel's arm to stop using the Torch because of the potential for harm because some dumb kid would imitate Torch and set him/herself on fire and the Thing becoming human more than once.

These are just a few examples of why replacement members had to be called in.

Maybe you should have entitled your thread:

"The FF have had replacement members, but who thinks the FF should only be: Reed, Sue, Johnny and Ben?"

And I am not trying to make you look dumb, Zero.

Every person is entitled to their opinion. And you have expressed and defended your opinion very well.

[Zero_Ace]

Originally posted by Manchine
Actually, Zero_Ace, your just to young to remember and see when She-Hulk was on the FF.

I do have a comic with Shulk in the FF though. It just didn't seem she wasn't really in it though. It is the comic with dark Pheonix. She left like real early within the story. I now accept she was part of the FF. But the original FF can never be beaten!! They are the BEST and always will be!!!!

P.S Thanks. I'll try to word my threads better.

[jwc]

Hey Zero Ace,

Check this link out:

http://www.ffplaza.com/database/roster/index.shtml

It gives a roster history of the FF. Almost forgot about She-Thing. Can't wait until more FF characters appear. Fielding 6 (non-duplicate) characters is hard.:ermm:

[ontapmedia]

She Thing and Ms Marvel II were one in the same if I remember correctly. - Terrence

[Bedrock Bully]

Was Sharon Ventura ever offically called "She-Thing"? I don't think so. She looked like Ben for a while, but I think they still called her Ms. Marvel.

[Manchine]

Nope totally different people. MS. Marvel II turned into a She Thing. When Thing became spikey.

[Bedrock Bully]

umm..

Sharon Ventura is Ms. Marvel II (which is what I meant by "Ms. Marvel") but I don't recall her ever officially being called "She-Thing".

[Ro-gan]

I don't think she was ever called She-Thing to her face. But I'm betting there were alot of comments behind her back, though.

I stopped reading and collecting the FF when John Byrne left. The stories seemed "weak" after his departure.

[Manchine]

Didnt mean she was ever called She-Thing. But techniqually thats what she was.

[zapdos]

Dose no one remember fantastic three comics?

[ontapmedia]

I do not recall there ever being a Fantastic Three comics. I do recall the horrendous M2 line of books having what I think was Fantastic Five. The 2099 line also had an FF themed book. What was the Fantastic 3 and are you sure you are not confusing it with the titles I've mentioned? -Terrence

[zapdos]

I'm sure. It was the time that reed and doom were missing for like three years. many took reed's place. Ant-man, Wasp, Giant man, DR.DOOM'S SON!!!!! and many more.