Escape from the Phantom Zone! - Non, Ursa, and ZOD preview! [Archive]

anonym0use

07/22/2011, 10:57

We continue our DC HeroClix: Superman previews with a special three for one today! Confined to the Phantom Zone for years, and blaming Superman’s birth father, Jor-El for the destruction of their home planet, this trio of Kryptonian powerhouses have been both allies and enemies to the Man of Steel.

<center><img src="http://www.hcrealms.com/HCRealms.com/201107/non.jpg" width="450"></center>
<center><img src="http://www.hcrealms.com/HCRealms.com/201107/ursa.jpg" width="450"></center>
<center><img src="http://www.hcrealms.com/HCRealms.com/201107/zod.jpg" width="450"></center>

[Read more at Heroclix.com] (http://heroclix.com/heroclix/escape-from-the-phantom-zone/)

TheRedHood

07/22/2011, 11:03

First Post! Only because I haven't even looked at the dials.

Need the obligatory KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!

red king

07/22/2011, 11:05

I cant wait to play these! If only to take down my son's inevitable Superman team.

maddragon13

07/22/2011, 11:05

TheRedHood

07/22/2011, 11:08

Nice! NON is doing the same amount of damage as supes on his first click ??

Like the Phantom Zone key word

Ursa with Running shot and stealth and the superman team ability(basically)

Zod very cool specials.

These guys all look great. I am sad they all don't fit on a 300 point team I guess supes will need some help taking all these guys down. Don't know if that is comic accurate..

Casby

07/22/2011, 11:12

Okay, I'm now properly interested. :cool:

jbship628

07/22/2011, 11:17

I will definately be lobbying for a 2-booster 400 point format for sealed!

shabunia

07/22/2011, 11:20

Spelling of URSA fixed on wizkids page

kencklets

07/22/2011, 11:20

wow great dials, i love the traits but my favorite is Non with the hiper strength (it's better than super strength), indomitable, better combat values and it's only 150 points. I usually don't go for DC heroclixs but i guess i will buy at least a brick of superman.

IceHot

07/22/2011, 11:24

now This Amps Me Way Up!!!!!!!!!!!!!

tyroclix

07/22/2011, 11:28

Sixty1Mankeys

07/22/2011, 11:41

Totally agree Tyroclix, Ursa is a beast and looks so fun to create a team around. With her being the only one of those three not Indomitable, it makes you exercise a little patience too. Good for the newest players when using a beast like her to learn timing.

UniqueLoginNamor

07/22/2011, 11:42

this is getting better

But i still want Eradictaor. There is no way they can miss him again. After all these years. They did the other 3 Death of Supermen guys.

MegaLotusMan

07/22/2011, 11:42

These are all amazing dials. I am actually very surprised.

UniqueLoginNamor

07/22/2011, 11:42

PS: All 3 of these guys are CRAZY!!

Ignatz_Mouse

07/22/2011, 11:43

I'm calling Ursa the standout of the figs shown so far. Steath/Anti-Stealth/RS/PB and 4 damage make her a near-universal threat.

MegaLotusMan

07/22/2011, 11:44

So. With Zod's Damage power, Can Superman Enemies, use their TA liek normal, if he's on click one. OUtwit, say impervious, and blast someone; and then zod pushes, and gains the damage power, now they can outwit again?

ALSO URSA is Skrull Miss Marvel 2.0, and Non is not shabby at all.

IceHot

07/22/2011, 11:49

ALSO URSA is Skrull Miss Marvel 2.0, and Non is not shabby at all.
Not really she doesnt have HSS+Stealth+INDOMITABLE

This makes her a real solid piece but not an annoying piece that you have no hope of hunting down.

You can always base her and fight her when she has an action token on her.

rorschachparadox

07/22/2011, 11:50

this is getting better

But i still want Eradictaor. There is no way they can miss him again. After all these years. They did the other 3 Death of Supermen guys.
PS: All 3 of these guys are CRAZY!!

You said it all, my friend. All three of these guys are awesome-sauce incarnate.

But no Eradicator will make me cry. I threatened to boycott a Superman set without an Eradicator, but with Reign announced, leather jacket Superboy confirmed, etc, I pre-ordered 2 cases. C'mon Wizkids!

So. With Zod's Damage power, Can Superman Enemies, use their TA liek normal, if he's on click one. OUtwit, say impervious, and blast someone; and then zod pushes, and gains the damage power, now they can outwit again?

Hrmm, don't see why not. It's another source of outwit! Greatness!

SLVRSR4

07/22/2011, 11:52

I'm calling Ursa the standout of the figs shown so far. Steath/Anti-Stealth/RS/PB and 4 damage make her a near-universal threat.

I'm with you on that one, Ken.

Kneel Before Zod could be a game changer. It would certainly change the pace of things if you can pull it off on at least a couple targets. It's just unfortunate that you can't play with Zod and either of the other two in a sealed standard 300 point team. I see that happening a lot in this set. I'm guessing the average point cost for a figure is going to be close to 100 points.

Cliffjumper

07/22/2011, 11:55

Wow. These 4 previews just demolish the Cap set's Sinister-ish power levels. This set will provide the tentpoles for years to come. At least within the set itself there should be some balance. These figures are going to hit reaaaally hard. The games will be quick LOL

Silver Lantern

07/22/2011, 11:55

OMG!!! And they left points for the 4 point Phantom Zone ATA!!!!

I am a marvel zombie, but this preview blows the entire CAP set out of the water...

Hatut Zeraze

07/22/2011, 11:58

Non's first 4 clicks enable him to potentially do up to 7 clicks of damage in a single hit.

4 (printed damage) + 2 (heavy object) + 1 (extra object smashing damage from trait) = 7.

That goes on for 4 clicks, 4 indomitable clicks,....for 150 points!!

That is the dictionary definition of crazytown.

EDIT: Oh yeah, I almost forgot...he gets outwit with that as well if he's on a team with Zod, so that is 7 clicks that will go straight through, undefended, on most pieces. CRAZYTOWN!

Ignatz_Mouse

07/22/2011, 12:00

SLVRSR4

07/22/2011, 12:04

I didn't think the Cap previews were great, but people gotta stop baggin on the set overall. It has a lot more flavor than people give it credit for, it just doesn't cater to the most popular playstyles.

If you mix up your game, the Cap set could amaze you.

Seriously. My most repeated sentences as of late has been this:

The Captain America set is awesome in sealed because the pieces are all in or about the same capability level and can interact with each other better than just about any other set out there. People just have to get past the "POWER GAMER" mentality and actually have some fun. If you are a well rounded and balanced gamer, the Cap set is awesome. If you are a power gamer, you might as well skip this one.

Hatut Zeraze

07/22/2011, 12:05

rorschachparadox

07/22/2011, 12:07

I am confused by the wording of Zod's trait.

"Adjacent friendly figures and other friendly figures with the Phantom Zone keyword modify their attack values by +1."

Why didn't they just say friendly figures with Phantom Zone keyword modify their attack values by +1?

The way it reads, it sounds like friendly figures with the keyword get the +1 whether or not they are adjacent, so why did they need to include the first phrase?

I am pretty sure I must be missing something, but I am not sure what it is.

Zod boosts 2 groups of people. 1) Anybody adjacent to him. 2) Anybody else on the map with the PZ keyword. The "other" is there because otherwise it would include him as well as he has the kw and is friendly to himself.

Ignatz_Mouse

07/22/2011, 12:08

Hatut Zeraze

07/22/2011, 12:09

Zod boosts 2 groups of people. 1) Anybody adjacent to him. 2) Anybody else on the map with the PZ keyword. The "other" is there because otherwise it would include him as well as he has the kw and is friendly to himself.

Thanks. I missed that the adjacent ones could be anybody. I also didn't figure the exclusion of himself. That makes a lot more sense to me now. I repped you for it.

rorschachparadox

07/22/2011, 12:13

Thanks. I missed that the adjacent ones could be anybody. I also didn't figure the exclusion of himself. That makes a lot more sense to me now. I repped you for it.

Glad to be of help! I did a double-take at that power initially as well, and more so at his damage power :)

Allure

07/22/2011, 12:16

I'm a marvel clix player only but these 3...I gotta have for those dc games. These guys are awesome.

The Rose

07/22/2011, 12:26

OMG!!! And they left points for the 4 point Phantom Zone ATA!!!!

I don't think they're gonna get an ATA. Zod's power is based on the Superman Enemy team ability, any ATA would nerf that.

Ignatz_Mouse

07/22/2011, 12:29

I don't think they're gonna get an ATA. Zod's power is based on the Superman Enemy team ability, any ATA would nerf that.

ATAs don't nerf regular TAs anymore.

rorschachparadox

07/22/2011, 12:30

I don't think they're gonna get an ATA. Zod's power is based on the Superman Enemy team ability, any ATA would nerf that.

ATA now means "Additional Team Ability." They are keyword based, not TA based as well, and I cannot think of one off of the top of my head that stipulates "instead" of a TA already possessed. And if it does not stipulate that, you get both your TA and ATA. So no issue there.

theemaxx52ad

07/22/2011, 12:31

Okay, Zod is awesome and will rule the game with his Phantom Zone lackeys. Good job, WizKids.

Ursa should have the B/C/F power. She really liked that knife. Also, a little odd the other Phantom-Zoners don't have X-ray vision.

Non is a scary beast. He does one thing, but he does it very well.

WestCoastAvengers

07/22/2011, 12:34

All of these dials are very powerful! The figures look cool too. Will there be more Phantom Zone figures, because these are all high point cost for a theme team?

hanzoslash

07/22/2011, 12:43

Zod is the new standard of broken. Deal 2 penetrating damage within 2 squares or deal a token without requiring a roll?

Broken.

gatharion

07/22/2011, 12:43

Pretty scary. I don't especially care since I'm not fond of the characters and I'm not a power gamer, but they look pretty good for anybody else who is.

Even though I'm not really a fan of Superman II, I would play the heck out of that Zod, if it looked like Terrance Stamp.

this is getting better
But i still want Eradictaor. There is no way they can miss him again. After all these years. They did the other 3 Death of Supermen guys.

Isn't "Reign of Supermen" a confirmed mini-theme? It would super suck if Eradicator somehow got left out again.

Seriously. My most repeated sentences as of late has been this:

The Captain America set is awesome in sealed because the pieces are all in or about the same capability level and can interact with each other better than just about any other set out there.

That's so almost true. Captain America would probably be the best set for sealed ever... if it weren't for Maelstrom and Quasar.

Rokk_Krinn

07/22/2011, 12:43

Yippie!!! Looks like power creep has found it's way back into HeroClix!!! :tired:

Non & Ursa are beasts for the lower point values. Zod id solid also for only 50 pts more. I have a feeling this set is going to be just full of creeped up characters just like HoT...

If by "power creeped" you mean Kryptonians and deities should probably have higher power/stats than a normal run-of-a-mill generic agent with a gun? Yeah, good point. :)

mbstoner

07/22/2011, 12:48

All of these dials are very powerful! The figures look cool too. Will there be more Phantom Zone figures, because these are all high point cost for a theme team?

Since (almost) everyone in the PZ is Kryptonian, I imagine making a theme team out of any others we may get might be difficult. Now the question is, who else could get the Phantom Zone keyword? Mon-El is probably a lock with the Legion sub-theme. Maybe a Chris Kent/Nightwing?

BATCRAZEE

07/22/2011, 12:51

Ursa, however, is a must.

I totally agree.

captainamerica1987

07/22/2011, 12:56

Captain America is the set of 2 damage and Superman is the set of beatsticks that are undercosted.

I won't buy any Superman because my loath of the character, but this is really disappointing.

lensnart

07/22/2011, 13:01

Those sculpts look amazing. So far this whole set looks amazing, and not just the SRs. I may ditch the CUR sets I have been buying lately, and be in for a case with this one.

Ignatz_Mouse

07/22/2011, 13:01

lensnart

07/22/2011, 13:05

Also I think we can expect a Superman Enemy ATA costing 4 points per character. THere is no way they left these guys 12 points short of 500 by accident.

Grumpygoat

07/22/2011, 13:05

Captain America is the set of 2 damage and Superman is the set of beatsticks that are undercosted.

I won't buy any Superman because my loath of the character, but this is really disappointing.

A set of mostly normal or slightly above normal superheroes mostly has 2 damage...gee, big friggin' surprise there.

And then we have Superman, a set of mostly high-powered to nigh-on godly superheroes. Of course it's going to be loaded up with beatsticks. Who aren't particularly undercosted. Non is roughly comparable to Namor. Ursa is roughly comparable to Skrull Ms. Marvel.

Both sets accomplish what their themes imply. Anyone expecting a bunch of overpowered beatsticks in a set called "Captain America" have an immensely skewed viewpoint, as does anyone who doesn't expect a bunch of overpowered beatsticks in a set revolving around Superman.

captainamerica1987

07/22/2011, 13:06

Narrow tastes FTL.

And the Cap set is better than you think.

I love Captain America, but the set was a let down with how many characters seemed weak compared to GSX.

Marvel>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DC

DEAL WITH IT!
:p

Ignatz_Mouse

07/22/2011, 13:08

"Seemed" weak is the problem here.

The Cap set takes more skill to use than Professor X or Phoenix, surprise!

Minxmaster

07/22/2011, 13:09

really...standing sculpts again...Ursa at least has flames so that is alright but what is with Zod's Beatles hair cut? I most defiantly am not all giddy to play Ringo Star.

Thunderclese

07/22/2011, 13:12

Looks like this is the set for people complaining about the lack of power in Captain America. Good for you guys, I suppose.

Glad they added the Kryptonian and Phantom Zone keywords, but those point values are a little too good, imo.

Edit: I suppose their stats, particularly attack, aren't too overwhelming at that cost, without Zod at least.

I do hope M'onel doesn't get left out of the mix.

Baron Impossible

07/22/2011, 13:13

kneel before zod SP is sick. stick your snipers next to him, 'cause no one will want to get within the 2-square killzone. especially since he can use that SP twice in a row thanks to indom. it's prolly for the best that zod is maintaining the all-archvillains-must-be-sr, cause he's scary

Narrow tastes FTL.

And the Cap set is better than you think.

cap was a fantastic set if for no other reason than the sheer number of previously unclicked additions to the roster. seriously, awesome. also, minion love.

mbstoner

07/22/2011, 13:14

really...standing sculpts again...Ursa at least has flames so that is alright but what is with Zod's Beatles hair cut? I most defiantly am not all giddy to play Ringo Star.

That's not his hair, that's a beret (which, to be honest, probably isn't better, but what can you do?). :)

captainamerica1987

07/22/2011, 13:16

A set of mostly normal or slightly above normal superheroes mostly has 2 damage...gee, big friggin' surprise there.

And then we have Superman, a set of mostly high-powered to nigh-on godly superheroes. Of course it's going to be loaded up with beatsticks. Who aren't particularly undercosted. Non is roughly comparable to Namor. Ursa is roughly comparable to Skrull Ms. Marvel.

Both sets accomplish what their themes imply. Anyone expecting a bunch of overpowered beatsticks in a set called "Captain America" have an immensely skewed viewpoint, as does anyone who doesn't expect a bunch of overpowered beatsticks in a set revolving around Superman.

I was hoping for more Psyblast to at least combat Supes. Superman now has outwit when only 5 people have psyblast in Cap.

captainamerica1987

07/22/2011, 13:17

"Seemed" weak is the problem here.

The Cap set takes more skill to use than Professor X or Phoenix, surprise!

I don't use either of those. Heck I only own Professor.

My teams are usually full of soldiers that include HOT Cap and starter thing and I doubt I will be rotating till next year for retirement.

Ignatz_Mouse

07/22/2011, 13:25

I don't use either of those. Heck I only own Professor.

My teams are usually full of soldiers that include HOT Cap and starter thing and I doubt I will be rotating till next year for retirement.

So the issue isn't the overpowered Superman or GSX set, it's the overpowered Thing and HoT Cap, and how the power in the Cap set is not as obvious? Check.

captainamerica1987

07/22/2011, 13:28

So the issue isn't the overpowered Superman or GSX set, it's the overpowered Thing and HoT Cap, and how the power in the Cap set is not as obvious? Check.

If they are going to do power creep, then they shouldn't just stop it for one set. Heck, street fighter is going to be stronger than most of the cap figures for the same cost.

Crow

07/22/2011, 13:29

Dru-Zod?

Funny, he doesn't LOOK Druish.

Ignatz_Mouse

07/22/2011, 13:29

I think you are completely missing my point.

SLVRSR4

07/22/2011, 13:31

SLVR:

Even that depends on how you define Power Gamer.

If you are the "net-decking, point-and-clicking, looking for the uber-piece that requires no skill," then yes, not the set for you.

If you are the "find the combos and synergies that nobody else has" then Cap has a lot to offer.

In other words, *real* power games love the set. How long has it been since we got figures that could allow you to build an actions-balanced team, let alone a Theme one?

When I said what I said, I was talking about a few people that I know of that won't even consider playing a character if it has less than a 10 attack or 2 damage on their opening click. So, I guess I'm referring more to the people that HAVE TO PLAY "Point and Click" characters or the "Obvious Strategy" people. I nearly took out a Quasar the other day with a team of characters with absolutely no move and attack and only one character had over a 6 range...The Captain America set made this possible. I would have won if the game had not gone to time.

Sigdr

07/22/2011, 13:35

Zod is the new standard of broken. Deal 2 penetrating damage within 2 squares or deal a token without requiring a roll?

Broken.

A heftily-pointed character can use a _power action_ deal 2 penetrating damage within 2 squares or deal a token without requiring a roll? I'm going to go ahead and call that nowhere near broken. DC75 Ares can deal damage without requiring a roll to figs within 4 squares and he isn't even good.

Great previews. Keep 'em coming!

larthosgrr8

07/22/2011, 13:36

I love Captain America, but the set was a let down with how many characters seemed weak compared to GSX.

Marvel>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DC

DEAL WITH IT!
:p

cyclops could kill half the set by looking at them. lol, just comparing apples to oranges here. they try to give us power, ppl complain. they give us less power, ppl complain.

i have loved all of the 'new wizkids' sets. they all have a good balance within the set, and within all of clix. i personally think superman should be a powerhouse set! superman and his friends,enemy's are all powerhouses. i mean, the dcu is all about power. why do you think superman is getting depowered in the relaunch.

so far so good! these 4 figures are nasty! superman can still beat ursa and non by himself.i'm all for comic accuracy!

Ignatz_Mouse

07/22/2011, 13:36

When I said what I said, I am talking about a few people that I know of that won't even consider playing a character if it has less than a 10 attack or 2 damage on their opening click. So, I guess I'm referring more to the people that HAVE TO PLAY "Point and Click" characters or the "Obvious Strategy" people. I nearly took out a Quasar the other day with a team of characters with absolutely no move and attack and only one character had over a 6 range...The Captain America set made this possible. I would have won if the game had not gone to time.

Exactly. I knew what you meant, but I'm on a mini-campaign to reclain the term "power gamer" as lately it's come to mean what you describe, and in my expeience those players tend to lose more than win.

To me, a power gamer sits down with a team across from me and either a) I see its power and realize I have no way of effectively dealing with it or b) I don't see anything special about it until a few turns in when I'm metaphorically lying on the floor bleeding.

I do not respect the former, I do respect the latter (as long as competitive gaming is called for).

captainamerica1987

07/22/2011, 13:36

When I said what I said, I was talking about a few people that I know of that won't even consider playing a character if it has less than a 10 attack or 2 damage on their opening click. So, I guess I'm referring more to the people that HAVE TO PLAY "Point and Click" characters or the "Obvious Strategy" people. I nearly took out a Quasar the other day with a team of characters with absolutely no move and attack and only one character had over a 6 range...The Captain America set made this possible. I would have won if the game had not gone to time.

But you didn't win. You sound like my father who gets excited when he still loses. I'm not a sore loser, but I don't think it's an accomplishment.

Now I have to get off here to get ready for a concert tonight.

Puuka

07/22/2011, 13:39

Non Throwing the Soda machine sounds fun... 5 damage at 6 range. Too bad it won't work so well in a close combat attack, since it's already adding a +3, his +1 wouldn't do anything.

Pepsirox08

07/22/2011, 13:41

Holy hell... these guys are gonna f*** some people up! Does Non get a +4 when using the satellite dish? Or if he rolls a 6 for meteorite?

captainamerica1987

07/22/2011, 13:41

cyclops could kill half the set by looking at them.

This! This makes me so freaking furious/sad.

No one can tell me Cap set wasn't weak sauce when I can get an almost complete cur set plus a brick figure for $19. I was only missing Hellfire for whom I don't even care for.

feluwelt

07/22/2011, 13:41

Non is decent enough if unremarkable.

I love everything about Ursa including her Matrix-style look. I will enjoy using her a lot especially on DC villain teams.

Kinda weird they would announce Stark Trek Clix with this preview. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad to see Kor here. Seems awfully powerful for a Klingon but that's WK for ya. Wait a sec - that's Zod????

Pretty sick powers and makes a lot more sense, now. No surprise he is a SR, though. Not a real burning need to get him but he's ain't bad.

Ursa, however, is a must.

Non can charge in for 7 DMG with an object. Make it a meteorite and it's 7 penetrating, add a high Av and def plus indomitable. Where do I sign for him. Ursa I agree is amazing but with a little protection NON can be an atom bomb.
I feel NON is the return of magog. Ohh wait we may actually get a Magog in this set.

I am preordering now. For cap I did not preorder until I saw the chases, but for these dials and the whole superman 2 villian team, sign me up ))))))

feluwelt

07/22/2011, 13:44

Holy hell... these guys are gonna f*** some people up! Does Non get a +4 when using the satellite dish? Or if he rolls a 6 for meteorite?

Remember rule of 3

But He can smack you with a LO for plus 2.
If he had auto breakaway he would be broken.

SLVRSR4

07/22/2011, 13:50

But you didn't win. You sound like my father who gets excited when he still loses. I'm not a sore loser, but I don't think it's an accomplishment.

Now I have to get off here to get ready for a concert tonight.

If you can't get excited about a good close game even if you lose, then you really shouldn't be playing the game. The point isn't that I lost or that I DIDN'T WIN. The point was that I NEARLY won against a piece that is very powerful and who had support with a team that was "Inferior" by your standards and the standards of others here. The point of the whole thing is to say that the Cap set is better than people give it credit for. If you refuse to give it credit then I guess I'll have the last laugh when I win my games using the pieces the set provides.

Casby

07/22/2011, 13:50

But you didn't win. You sound like my father who gets excited when he still loses. I'm not a sore loser, but I don't think it's an accomplishment.

Now I have to get off here to get ready for a concert tonight.

Your father is letting you beat him :cheeky:

A great battle is often more memorable and important than who won it. Sometimes a move in a game outshines its conclusion.

DrunkZombie

07/22/2011, 13:54

as a UC,R,SR id love a theme booster with the 3 of them together

Great Mazinga

07/22/2011, 13:56

When I said what I said, I was talking about a few people that I know of that won't even consider playing a character if it has less than a 10 attack or 2 damage on their opening click. So, I guess I'm referring more to the people that HAVE TO PLAY "Point and Click" characters or the "Obvious Strategy" people. I nearly took out a Quasar the other day with a team of characters with absolutely no move and attack and only one character had over a 6 range...The Captain America set made this possible. I would have won if the game had not gone to time.

I think nearly is the key word here. :disappointed:

That said, I've had a great time with the synergies of the Cap set figures. I think it's been my favorite set to play, especially against other figs in the set. I haven't even fielded the name sake yet, as I've been having too much fun with the villains.

Kwagamon

07/22/2011, 13:56

Zod's kneel power looks like crazy amounts of fun!

rorschachparadox

07/22/2011, 14:07

So the issue isn't the overpowered Superman or GSX set, it's the overpowered Thing and HoT Cap, and how the power in the Cap set is not as obvious? Check.

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Ignatz_Mouse again."
I tried, man. I truly did :)

But you didn't win. You sound like my father who gets excited when he still loses. I'm not a sore loser, but I don't think it's an accomplishment.

Now I have to get off here to get ready for a concert tonight.

Losing isn't bad. It's not like it means anything, as we don't play this game for a living... (And if somebody out there knows the secret to making a living playing heroclix, and doesn't tell me, there will be problems. I know where you live :laugh:) I get excited by all sorts of losing teams...especially when they were fun.

Non Throwing the Soda machine sounds fun... 5 damage at 6 range. Too bad it won't work so well in a close combat attack, since it's already adding a +3, his +1 wouldn't do anything.

Holy crap! I never thought about him throwing an object...

*Rubs back to the "Ranking the figures" thread to delete line about Non having no range on his way into the battle.*

Brilliant!

larthosgrr8

07/22/2011, 14:12

This! This makes me so freaking furious/sad.

No one can tell me Cap set wasn't weak sauce when I can get an almost complete cur set plus a brick figure for $19. I was only missing Hellfire for whom I don't even care for.

umm, there are some really awesome figs in cap. a good hydra team can take almost anything in x-men. shield is also a great team to field. the secret warriors are a force when used right. it's not always the figure, but the person controlling it!

SLVRSR4

07/22/2011, 14:16

I think nearly is the key word here. :disappointed:

That said, I've had a great time with the synergies of the Cap set figures. I think it's been my favorite set to play, especially against other figs in the set. I haven't even fielded the name sake yet, as I've been having too much fun with the villains.

As this bears repeating:

If you can't get excited about a good close game even if you lose, then you really shouldn't be playing the game. The point isn't that I lost or that I DIDN'T WIN. The point was that I NEARLY won against a piece that is very powerful and who had support with a team that was "Inferior" by your standards and the standards of others here. The point of the whole thing is to say that the Cap set is better than people give it credit for. If you refuse to give it credit then I guess I'll have the last laugh when I win my games using the pieces the set provides.

SLVRSR4

07/22/2011, 14:19

umm, there are some really awesome figs in cap. a good hydra team can take almost anything in x-men. shield is also a great team to field. the secret warriors are a force when used right. it's not always the figure, but the person controlling it!

Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner! This is one of the major points that Ignatz_Mouse and I have been trying to make most of the day!

I've taken out Kingdom Come teams with OLD Hydra pieces. You can bring a Cannon to a knife fight, but if I stab the guy that lights the fuse then all you have is a giant hunk of metal and one dead trigger-man.

captainamerica1987

07/22/2011, 14:23

Your father is letting you beat him :cheeky:

My father is almost 50 and has only won one tournament since heroclixs began. I don't think he has been letting me win for 9 years straight.

Ignatz_Mouse

07/22/2011, 14:24

cyclops could kill half the set by looking at them. lol, just comparing apples to oranges here.

And CA figures half Cyclops' cost can nearly one-shot him!

It's clear from the reactions to the Cap set that the modern player base doesn't genrally understand the 6-fig, 300 point team that used to run the game.

SLVRSR4

07/22/2011, 14:26

My father is almost 50 and has only won one tournament since heroclixs began. I don't think he has been letting me win for 9 years straight.

I think he's slow playing it. His time is coming. He's just building your confidence so that when he does beat you and start winning tournaments, his success will be that much sweeter.

captainamerica1987

07/22/2011, 14:31

And CA figures half Cyclops' cost can nearly one-shot him!

It's clear from the reactions to the Cap set that the modern player base doesn't genrally understand the 6-fig, 300 point team that used to run the game.

Swarm teams still don't?

For the most part, I won't play any figure over 150 because I don't think the damage output is as great compared to multiple figures taking multiple shots.

I think Darkseid was the last +150 point figure I played and it was in a +600 point tournament I believe. I still rocked out a theme team with Shazam, Dawnstar, Chief, and plus many more. I have used 14 figures before in a 700 point tournament. R Black Panther, R Destiny, and R Mandroid Armor FTW

captainamerica1987

07/22/2011, 14:35

I think he's slow playing it. His time is coming. He's just building your confidence so that when he does beat you and start winning tournaments, his success will be that much sweeter.

Well I never play theme teams, but when I decided to this weekend. He ended up getting in the finals when I was next to last. I will probably try more theme since I care for none of les in this set besides Dirk.

The only team as of now that I want to play is

2x LMD
Nick
Armpit Cap
300

elfholme

07/22/2011, 14:36

The Captain America set is awesome in sealed because the pieces are all in or about the same capability level and can interact with each other better than just about any other set out there. People just have to get past the "POWER GAMER" mentality and actually have some fun. If you are a well rounded and balanced gamer, the Cap set is awesome.

I would agree with this if there were no Quasar or Maelstrom in the set. Other than those two, yeah, the set pieces really interact very well with each other.

I love the Cap set, FWIW. I also think I'm going to love this set, based on the 4 pieces we've seen so far! C'mon Eradicator!!! :)

SLVRSR4

07/22/2011, 14:36

Armpit Cap

I've never heard this as a descriptor of any piece. To whom are you referring?

Ignatz_Mouse

07/22/2011, 14:37

c1987: Then I'm not sure why you don't love the Cap set, which is full of teambuilders for teams like this, and has such great powers for swarms like Strucker's trait of Nick Fury's move power.

larthosgrr8

07/22/2011, 14:47

ppl laugh at my hydra guys, until nightshade make then go team jacob on they @$$! even cobra is a monster when he's timed right! he can kill half the x-men set by standing next to them.

you have so look at the glass as half full fclks. if you think a figure sucks because it can't kill nightcrawler or quasar, then i feel sorry for you!

captainamerica1987

07/22/2011, 14:49

I've never heard this as a descriptor of any piece. To whom are you referring?

The rare Captain America.

We have Smokey Feet cap. Now we have Armpit Cap.

The name came from The-Cheat-1186.

Aberrant

07/22/2011, 14:55

To all the people calling Cap an Underpowered Set: It isn't. You have a lot of low to mid cost characters, and a lot of them are brutally vicious. Phobos, Gorgon, hell, Cap40 can do 3 damage to 2 figs at 8 range, running shot w/ an 11 attack for <90 points. Batroc is the king of support killing, etc.

Captain America was a well balanced set of efficient (mostly) figures.

rorschachparadox

07/22/2011, 15:09

The rare Captain America.

We have Smokey Feet cap. Now we have Armpit Cap.

The name came from The-Cheat-1186.

Eh, I'll stick with "Peanut" Cap. No confusion as to who it is or why they're called that. But call it as you will, he is a disgustingly good figure!

CuriousLurker

07/22/2011, 15:15

It's a shame they put Zod in that ridiculous modern age costume and he's a SR. I'll need two so I can mod him into his infinitely cooler Silver Age short pants version.

Rokk_Krinn

07/22/2011, 15:17

I think the people dismissing the Cap set are looking at figures as just "single all by themselves". The beauty of the Cap set is the synergy of the figures, such as the oft-mentioned Hydra team. They get together as a group and they scare me more than a little.

SLVRSR4

07/22/2011, 15:20

Eh, I'll stick with "Peanut" Cap. No confusion as to who it is or why they're called that. But call it as you will, he is a disgustingly good figure!

yeah, I have no idea where the Armpit thing came from

rorschachparadox

07/22/2011, 15:22

It's a shame they put Zod in that ridiculous modern age costume and he's a SR. I'll need two so I can mod him into his infinitely cooler Silver Age short pants version.

Hahaha, you must post pictures once you make the sculpt! :)

I think the people dismissing the Cap set are looking at figures as just "single all by themselves". The beauty of the Cap set is the synergy of the figures, such as the oft-mentioned Hydra team. They get together as a group and they scare me more than a little.

Yeah, I have a buddy with a totally pimped-out Hydra team... In higher point values especially, they can be frighteningly efficient!

captainamerica1987

07/22/2011, 15:23

yeah, I have no idea where the Armpit thing came from

Have you not seen the figure in hand?

SLVRSR4

07/22/2011, 15:25

Have you not seen the figure in hand?

I have four of them...that being said, I just looked at it again and see what you're getting at. :p

charlzm

07/22/2011, 15:27

"Kneel Before ZOD! Give ZOD a power action. The controller of each opposing character within 2 squares with 0 or 1 action token can choose to give that character an action token. Each opposing character within 2 squares that was not given an action token is dealt 2 penetrating damage"

I may be reading this wrong, but the way this was written, with two separate sentences, characters within 2 squares that were pushed at the start of this action would be dealt 2 penetrating damage. That second sentence is not written to indicate that the only characters subject to the 2 penetrating damage are the ones that started the action with 0 or 1 action token. The second sentence reiterates the 2 square boundry, which would imply that we make the character check again (to see if the character was given an action token).

rorschachparadox

07/22/2011, 15:28

Have you not seen the figure in hand?

I have four of them...that being said, I just looked at it again and see what you're getting at. :p

Yeah, I just double-checked it. Touche, good sir. :laugh:

rorschachparadox

07/22/2011, 15:29

"Kneel Before ZOD! Give ZOD a power action. The controller of each opposing character within 2 squares with 0 or 1 action token can choose to give that character an action token. Each opposing character within 2 squares that was not given an action token is dealt 2 penetrating damage"

I may be reading this wrong, but the way this was written, with two separate sentences, characters within 2 squares that were pushed at the start of this action be dealt 2 penetrating damage. That second sentence is not written to indicate that the only characters subject to the 2 penetrating damage are the ones that started the action with 0 or 1 action token. The second sentence reiterates the 2 square boundry, which would imply that we make the character check again (to see if the character was given an action token).

Being discussed here. Very good point, hopefully we can get a deputy ruling soonish, although I understand a September set shouldn't be a priority in July!
http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5732979

rorschachparadox

07/22/2011, 15:51

http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5732752&postcount=63
http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5732803&postcount=67
http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost.php?p=5732889&postcount=71

An orange has spoken. But there is still disagreement....

fillerfillerfiller

UndeadEnigma

07/22/2011, 15:55

This is the problem I have. This trio is insanely powerful. I feel that the common Superman was the goal for a match here, and so future games will be unbalanced if I don't get this set. Nothing is more depressing than to put together a decent team and have them trounced by figures capable of doing 6-8 damage in one sitting. That feeling sucks, and that is what is going on here. Your giving WMD's to every clix amateur out there and killing the strategy. I'm trying not to be negative but this just doesn't sit with me. Guess I've been playing for too long.

CarlosMucha

07/22/2011, 15:57

Awesome!

But Allies? when they were Superman allies?

rorschachparadox

07/22/2011, 16:04

Awesome!

But Allies? when they were Superman allies?

Enemies. They have the Superman Enemy TA.

Rokk_Krinn

07/22/2011, 16:04

Awesome!

But Allies? when they were Superman allies?

During the "New Krypton" storyline a year or so back.

Rokk_Krinn

07/22/2011, 16:05

Enemies. They have the Superman Enemy TA.

I think he's referring to the intro to the article.

CarlosMucha

07/22/2011, 16:05

During the "New Krypton" storyline a year or so back.

Ohhh, I may have to read that.

The last thing I knew about Zod was that he hired Superman for be the babysitter of his son. I have to catch up!

elfholme

07/22/2011, 16:08

Your giving WMD's to every clix amateur out there and killing the strategy.

There are clix professionals? How do they survive???

enter aqua

07/22/2011, 16:09

Dam dam. And I was planning to not get a brick of this set. I hope it's all this good!

Saikotron

07/22/2011, 16:11

so non can do 8 damage? the extra 1 is not a modifier to damage value but to damage dealt, which is how many clicks the opponent takes right? or can he only do 7?

ursa's abilities are quite nice. definitely going to buy her and supes singles. Zod is good too, but i don't want to shell out the money for a super-rare of a character i don't really care about. if all of the ones i want from superman set is mostly commons, uncommons and a couple rares, i can deal with that. cheaper for me.

elfholme

07/22/2011, 16:13

Dam dam. And I was planning to not get a brick of this set. I hope it's all this good!

Yeah, based on these previews, the LOSH, Reign of Supermen, Lobo, and Imperiex pieces that we know are going to be in it, I'm probably upping my brick to a case...

rorschachparadox

07/22/2011, 16:15

I think he's referring to the intro to the article.

Ooops, I'd forgotten that part.

Baron Impossible

07/22/2011, 16:24

as an exclusive theme-gamer, i absolutely loved cap. i've been playing since this game has been around and back in the day, excitement about a set was about who was in it, not if most of the characters were pre-made beat sticks.

not every character in comics is a psychic blasting impervious machine. nor are most worthy of 100+ points. cap's set seems "underpowered" because most of the characters in the set are lower-powered in the comics. as long as a character's dial is comic-accurate i am a happy camper. if the figure isn't to your liking, there are literally thousands of others to play instead. meanwhile, keep cranking out all the weirdos and c-listers (i'm looking at you, melter and negative man*) so we can make teams based upon the comics that this game is based upon.

*larry trainor is really a b-lister, but when was the last time anyone heard anything about the melter? but seriously, i want to be able to field a comic-accurate line-up of the MoE and he's holding me back even more so than the more popularly demanded tiger shark

DrZero

07/22/2011, 16:27

I'm going to have to use Ursa and the 150-pt All-Star Superman as a Kryptonian theme team at some point.

And Zod is just crazy as hell. Gotta get that guy.

HH2011003

07/22/2011, 16:41

So... cool...

They are managing to get me excited as heck about a DC set despite my being thoroughly grumpy at DC at the moment.

Even the fact that they made Zod a SR isn't crushing my enthusiasm for this set. They made him worth it.

UltraMANOS

07/22/2011, 17:12

hahaha This fills me with warm fuzzies all over.

Uncommon, rare, and super rare. I like how they are all easily attainable or atleast if one does like I do and buys 2 cases.

This Zod is magnificient! He also grants outwit, lol I believe this set will be chaulk full of characters with a move and attack power, with an ability to grant a countering power in one shape or form if its not outwit!

I expect this set to be great.

Now, I hope sometime next year they come out with a Batman themed set. I know there was AA but that was really a Gotham villains set with 3 batman characters.

they could even call it : "The Dark Knight" or "Darkest Knight" or even "The Darkest Knight" .

Thunderclese

07/22/2011, 17:17

they could even call it : "The Dark Knight" or "Darkest Knight" or even "The Darkest Knight" .

Or "Dark Nighty Knight" or "Darker Knight of Night" or "Dark SCREW IT JUST GIVE US YOUR MONEY!" :laugh:

herotolegend

07/22/2011, 17:25

Yesssssssssss! Love em all

Mutared

07/22/2011, 17:58

outbanks

07/22/2011, 18:00

Ursa just became my new favorite piece. Alan Scott, but better!!!!

Owlman

07/22/2011, 18:30

Hm. I like the dials, and the sculpts look nice, but I have no real connection with these characters. If I pull them, great. If not, no tears shed. I still haven't seen enough ot even convince me that I want to purchase a brick, let alone a case.

Great news for Superman fans though, so no complaints from me. I can use the break on spending.

Clclix

07/22/2011, 18:51

Seriously. My most repeated sentences as of late has been this:

The Captain America set is awesome in sealed because the pieces are all in or about the same capability level and can interact with each other better than just about any other set out there. People just have to get past the "POWER GAMER" mentality and actually have some fun. If you are a well rounded and balanced gamer, the Cap set is awesome. If you are a power gamer, you might as well skip this one.

QFT, I love the Cap set.

As far as the Preview...wow.

I am loving these 3. Ursa is a beast for her points, well all of them are pretty spectacular. Great preview.

rorschachparadox

07/22/2011, 19:30

Boo. So now after the Cap set of terrible twos and what looked like finally a step back from powercreep, before the dust has even settled we get a big fat middle finger from Wizkids and a set that by itself makes all other previous sets completly obsolete.

Talk about forcing the game to a new level.

Now instead of whatever crap the supposedly "SR" Baron Strucker has, 150 points gets you Ursa or Non-type figures. Absolute steady numbers the entire dial, back up to 8 range again, and 4 damage on 6 out of 7 clicks! ON uncommons and rares no less.

I really wish these figures were not going to be made.

I think you are missing the distinction between the two sets. Cap was based around a regular freakin' dude. Superman is based around a nigh-invincible dude and his friends.

High numbers isn't necessarily power creep. High point cost can very often come across as a liability. There is a reason that high point figures have to be as powerful as they are--they are all too frequently out-actioned and slaughtered by multiple "less-powerful" figures. This is exactly as designed, and nothing out of the ordinary.

And I don't see how anybody could miss the value in Baron Strucker and a Hyrda swarm team, especially in larger point battles... They could take down some Kryptonians as a coordinated team, something that these folks lack. I mean, 500 points will get you the Phantom Zone 3, or Strucker, Fisk, a buncha different Hyrda Agents, Viper, and then some.

Wolf_Otaku

07/22/2011, 19:30

They have great synergy and powers, but I expected a lot more damage reducers and for Zod to be an asbolutely Superman pwning monster. He seems OK.

hanzoslash

07/22/2011, 21:08

Yeah, based on these previews, the LOSH, Reign of Supermen, Lobo, and Imperiex pieces that we know are going to be in it, I'm probably upping my brick to a case...

I hope they give Lobo a trait similar to Mr. Immortal's "Dying is what I do best!" and a trait similar to Wolverine's "Healing Factor". After the events of Lobo's Back, regeneration just doesn't cut it.

UltraMANOS

07/22/2011, 22:40

lols @ the powercreep comment.

So Cap set is your idea of "normal" power lvl???

It sounds like some people are complainging about a game that is based on fictional, meaning "non reality" characters. You might justify it as , stats and powers for the cost of pennies on the dollar but hwat you are really saying is "wah, i dont like it when they make figures I have to worry about having to play against".

As long as I have played the game I have noticed two things to be very consistent. 1- they come out with more dynamic characters that you can play as a team and not a tentpole build, and 2- the price of the product at some point will go 2 dollars higher than a year before.

So if I am going to end up paying more money to participate in this hobby I expect, I EXPECT, powerfull pieces and slightly more powerfull than pieces people complained and "wah" about earlier like Miss Marvel skrull, and Nightcrawler from WoS.

I rarely see any DC sets having the auto-win its going to break the fabric of time and space type of characters, so i guess I am glad and looking forward that a DC expansion will don the king of the hill this time.

besides its not like you cannot attain the said figure, and if its un attainable then you should worry even less of seeing it in play.

maybe I am missing here, but then again I lack the misguided ideology that something can be "too powerfull".

this is the land of I CAN!

DrugSex

07/22/2011, 23:22

Zod, Ursa & Non makes Strucker, Red Skull and Zemo look like amateur villians.

caligula4u

07/23/2011, 00:55

Kneel before Zod indeed, ( glad that phrase got used). Non is a beast of a fig for his points. I foresee alot of people myself included using this guy. His dmg potential is huge, great atk values, and indom, all for 150 points. Ursa is nice and very versatile. My anticipation for this set just doubled. I was already excited because we are getting more Legion of Supoerheros, but this made it even better. This is how ya start off a sets previews. Too bad that Zod is a SR. Hopefully we won't hve too many must have figs that are SR's in this set. Anxiously awaiting that sweet new Darkseid fig to be shown. The Crisis Darkseid is awesome don't see how they can improve him that much more.

Saikotron

07/23/2011, 01:26

Zod, Ursa & Non makes Strucker, Red Skull and Zemo look like amateur villians.

they kinda don't have super powers. they are just enhanced human beings with more of a skill for manipulating others than one on one fighting. they would duel captain america and lose. he was just a human with peak physical ability and strong willpower.
however as far as the figures go, zemo, strucker, skull are a little too much on the point value when compared to these guys.

Am willing to bet quintessence darkseid and imperiax (plus more supes villains probably) will be much better than Quasar and maybe even better than maelstrom. since cosmic spider-man came out the power cosmics don't seem as good. I'm hoping new thanos and silver surfer can rival superman set powerhouses. Hulk better be stronger than previous versions. he needs abilities like batroc's leeping kick. except with a base 6 damage and super-strength. he needs to be able to take on an entire team throughout his dial. gamma radiation should lend him penetrating damage. Impervious that can't be outwitted or ignored. full dial of almost constantly increasing abilities. indomitable after becoming hulk. Hulk may get some stronger clix in it to compete with the powerhouses of superman set though. superman will be a tough set to follow.

Cyaegha

07/23/2011, 04:31

AT LAST!!
And they make a pretty brutal trio...Kneel before Zod, Clixlings!!

DrZero

07/23/2011, 05:27

Non Throwing the Soda machine sounds fun... 5 damage at 6 range. Too bad it won't work so well in a close combat attack, since it's already adding a +3, his +1 wouldn't do anything.

Just because the Rule Of Three caps him at +3 damage, that doesn't mean his +1 wouldn't come into play against damage reducers. Toughness would wind up not reducing damage he dealt with an object at all, and Invulnerability and Impervious (on a 1-4) would only reduce his damage by -1.

DrugSex

07/23/2011, 07:52

however as far as the figures go, zemo, strucker, skull are a little too much on the point value when compared to these guys.

My point exactly.

The Arachnid

07/23/2011, 12:00

Kneel before Zod!
Lay down on your back before Zod!
Now! Using your lower abdominals, raise your legs and hold on a five count before Zod!
One before Zod!
Two before Zod!
Three before Zod!

m0rpheus

07/23/2011, 12:22

Zod, you can just start kneeling before him now.

themonkey

07/23/2011, 13:48

I've heard of the Superman set described as DC's Hammer of Thor and these first previews have really convinced me. Yes, this set should have a lot of power, just like HoT did. HoT didn't break the game, and I don't think the Superman set will either.

Cap is a lower powered set, it reminds me of Arkam Asylum. Just look at the ranges of the characters, a lot of 6's in both sets. After Secret Invasion people complained just as much about the power level in AA. I still love breaking out AA for tourneys. I'm not much of a Marvel/Cap fan, but I assume those that are will feel the same way in 2-3 years about the Cap set.

Some characters and sets should be more powerful than others. As long as we never see another WOS Nightcrawler and pieces are correctly costed there isn't a problem with this.

konasavage

07/24/2011, 00:25

So if these are made, it will be a matter of time until the Richard Pryor character in clix form.

Grumpygoat

07/24/2011, 04:36

Now instead of whatever crap the supposedly "SR" Baron Strucker has, 150 points gets you Ursa or Non-type figures. Absolute steady numbers the entire dial, back up to 8 range again, and 4 damage on 6 out of 7 clicks! ON uncommons and rares no less.

"Now"? You play Non. I'll play Namor. I will proceed to eat your Non for breakfast, thanks to a greater Charge range and a full dial of Flurry with no damage value going below 3, as well as combat values that don't continually bottom out like Non's.

Additionally, Strucker with Mastermind fodder should swat Non around. Strucker will get in the first hit and can push to Outwit. Positioned right, Strucker might get in two hits before Non gets one - position to eight squares while Non has a token. Then push to Running Shot. Use Outwit to get rid of Charge after the attack and push. Non has the option to clear or run up. So long as Non had a token when Strucker attacked, Non will either have to clear after moving up to Strucker, or will have to clear, get Charge Outwitted again on the turn Strucker clears, then move up and allow Strucker to use Outwit and Blades/Claws/Fangs. All before Non gets a chance to attack. Non can throw an object, but any amount of Mastermind fodder will deal with that quite adeptly.

And all that matters is that a character is worth the points. Anyone who thinks most of the Cap set should have dials that look anything like a Kryptonians is kidding themself. If people think the dials aren't good for the points, well, ok, fine. But most dials in the Cap set should have about 2 damage.

elfholme

07/24/2011, 11:08

Additionally, Strucker with Mastermind fodder should swat Non around. Strucker will get in the first hit and can push to Outwit. Positioned right, Strucker might get in two hits before Non gets one - position to eight squares while Non has a token. Then push to Running Shot. Use Outwit to get rid of Charge after the attack and push. Non has the option to clear or run up. So long as Non had a token when Strucker attacked, Non will either have to clear after moving up to Strucker, or will have to clear, get Charge Outwitted again on the turn Strucker clears, then move up and allow Strucker to use Outwit and Blades/Claws/Fangs. All before Non gets a chance to attack. Non can throw an object, but any amount of Mastermind fodder will deal with that quite adeptly.

If Strucker has MM fodder, then Non has a buddy who can sit between himself and Strucker to prevent the Outwit from affecting him. If it's just the two of them, Non is probably sitting on Hindering. If they are BOTH on hindering, Non needs 7s to hit Strucker's naked Defense, and Strucker needs 8s (and that gets worse as soon as Strucker takes a hit), and Non will need to miss his Impervious roll to take any damage. Non doesn't have to charge, he can THROW that object he's carrying (still getting the +1 damage as I read it) if he's within range of Strucker's RS attack. If Strucker is Outwitting Charge, he's not Outwitting Non's defense, so he won't be degrading Non much, whereas Non has 3 object throws (for the objects the Non player placed), and if they all hit, Strucker is a pancake. Since Non has Indom and more important things to Outwit, he's getting two actions to Strucker's one, so plenty of time to set up tossing the objects.

I'm not saying Non would always win, but it's not as easy for Strucker as you make out, especially when you add in other figures. They're very different figures, meant to be played differently, so I'm not sure how well a direct comparison works. I'd rather have Non in a 1-on-1 fight against Strucker though; I think the odds are in Non's favor.

Non vs. Namor would be a good fight.

Grumpygoat

07/24/2011, 11:40

I'm not saying Non would always win, but it's not as easy for Strucker as you make out, especially when you add in other figures.

I don't think my example made it an easy win for Strucker. It didn't even make it a win for Strucker, it was an example of Strucker potentially getting two hits off on Non before Non can get one. And while Strucker getting Mastermind fodder means that Non has buddies, too, I think it's unfair to compare a character whose powers are buddy reliant against a character whose powers aren't.

My main point was that anyone who thinks Strucker can't compare to Non is just wrong. They do different things, but it's conceivable for Strucker to smack Non around.

Non vs. Namor would be a good fight.

Namor against Non will likely result in one smashed up Non. Non gets crippled every time he's hit, whereas Namor can take a hit and still be fine or even better than before. Namor will get two attacks on Non before Non gets one and so long as he deals damage with one of those attacks, Non will be in an increasingly poor position to retaliate. No damage and Non gets to retaliate brutally, but denting the Kryptonian for even two throws the odds against him hitting Namor. And Namor should push, push, push as he Flurries against Non.

It might be slightly unfair to compare Non to one of the better, if not the best, bricks out there, but it shows that the "power creep" is minor at best here - a three or so year old figure can still whomp on the ones previewed for Superman thus far.

elfholme

07/24/2011, 11:45

I don't think my example made it an easy win for Strucker. It didn't even make it a win for Strucker, it was an example of Strucker potentially getting two hits off on Non before Non can get one. And while Strucker getting Mastermind fodder means that Non has buddies, too, I think it's unfair to compare a character whose powers are buddy reliant against a character whose powers aren't.

My main point was that anyone who thinks Strucker can't compare to Non is just wrong. They do different things, but it's conceivable for Strucker to smack Non around.

Okay, fair enough, I misunderstood your post then. :) I still think the fight heavily favors Non, but I'm with you on comparing the two...they're very different styles of dial.

Namor against Non will likely result in one smashed up Non. Non gets crippled every time he's hit, whereas Namor can take a hit and still be fine or even better than before. Namor will get two attacks on Non before Non gets one and so long as he deals damage with one of those attacks, Non will be in an increasingly poor position to retaliate. No damage and Non gets to retaliate brutally, but denting the Kryptonian for even two throws the odds against him hitting Namor. And Namor should push, push, push as he Flurries against Non.

It might be slightly unfair to compare Non to one of the better, if not the best, bricks out there, but it shows that the "power creep" is minor at best here - a three or so year old figure can still whomp on the ones previewed for Superman thus far.

Totally with you here. :)

bluesummers

07/25/2011, 03:52

Goo! These are some completely enjoyable figures. Looking forward to playing with Ursa, especially, great power set, in good order. Not broke, but extremely playable. Goes from solid, well defended ranged attacker to hellish harassment piece.

agrippa1737

07/25/2011, 12:20

Great start. I can't wait to see some of the allies...I am waiting for turtle boy.

Now, we can all play superman 2. Regular or the directors cut.

Do you think we will get a new Maxima?

UniqueLoginNamor

07/25/2011, 12:39

Namor against Non will likely result in one smashed up Non. Non gets crippled every time he's hit, whereas Namor can take a hit and still be fine or even better than before. Namor will get two attacks on Non before Non gets one and so long as he deals damage with one of those attacks, Non will be in an increasingly poor position to retaliate. No damage and Non gets to retaliate brutally, but denting the Kryptonian for even two throws the odds against him hitting Namor. And Namor should push, push, push as he Flurries against Non.

It might be slightly unfair to compare Non to one of the better, if not the best, bricks out there, but it shows that the "power creep" is minor at best here - a three or so year old figure can still whomp on the ones previewed for Superman thus far.

one on one this is true. But remember with some friends Non has Outwit

Grumpygoat

07/25/2011, 16:23

one on one this is true. But remember with some friends Non has Outwit

Absolutely. But Namor with friends might have Outwit on his side. Or Telekinesis. Or enough range to rain holy hell down on Non's head. Straight up one-on-one, though, then Namor probably beats the snot out of Non unless Non successfully uses Impervious against all the attacks Namor hits with.

And my main point is mainly that Non is only roughly as powerful as a three year old brick. One of the better if not the best ones, mind, but Non still doesn't represent power creep. Ursa doesn't really, either, though it's more arguable because she's not entirely comparable to Skrull Ms. Marvel (Ms. Marvel is Indomitable, but Ursa is fewer points, so it's harder to compare them).