The Return of Black Adam!

[WizKidsNECA]

Recently I was able to chat with 2010 World HeroClix Champ, George Massu and we discussed some of his memories from last year’s Worlds event and what it was like to participate in the design process.
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[framuschuck]

Well - that looks random - at least the dial is awesome - I will be modding mine though - that's for sure.

[Thunderclese]

Wow, just amazing. Some will say too good, but as a fan, I'm pretty excited to get him!

[GL_Alex]

I want this figure!!! Holey Moley, he is absolutely brutal!

[loganfire3]

I would of loved indomitable but now he qualifies for swellhead! 21 defense for the win!

[fredagar]

That is pretty awsome I do like the playable at 3 differnt values.

[dairoka]

Wait. So I can play his last 5 clicks for only 100 points? Really? Holy poop. I can live without a SR magneto, but I need this Black Adam.

The sculpt looks weak for a SR. I expected better.

[saturnflight]

That 100 point dial is a tough sell at only 5 clicks of life. But this is a really cool, very unique figure. It seems that the designer really thought outside the box here. I do get a bit of an 'ultimate' vibe, where everything seems to be maxed out potential, but based on that storyline I can justify that.

[Munchoboy]

Well - that looks random - at least the dial is awesome - I will be modding mine though - that's for sure.
The sculpt looks weak for a SR. I expected better.

You don't think it's cool that the Black Adam sculpt incorporates the World Champ himself?

Think of all the fun you can have as Black Adam pummels his foes with the World Champ's body!



(Apologies to George, it was too funny not to say!) ;)

[xmastree]

I like this. A lot. It looks like George put a lot of thought and effort into this. And the sculpt looks great!

[bam]

awesome sculpt!

[flakbait]

That is pretty awesome that they put him into the sculpt.

[Blubeard]

i really dig that lightning regeneration power....very thematic/accurate...but overall seems a bit too strong...that "can't be outwitted" nonsense reeks of fanboy-ism...

this black adam looks like the final nail in the coffin of the cap set...it's going to be over and forgotten quickly...which is a shame....

[Beast]

Jesus Tapdancing Cripes! That's a brutal piece. Just daaaaaaamn.

[maddragon13]

Anyone else starting to think that the Supes set is going to set the bar for uber-powerful character?

[Hatut Zeraze]

I actually forgot this preview was due. It came as quite the surprise when I logged in. He is going to be crazy. Having George on the sculpt is an excellent twist. I love it.

[lensnart]

This feels like a bunch of specials just to add specials, and they all feel more complicated than they needed to be. At least he isn't bencrawler broken though.

I would be pretty cool with not letting the champ make pieces anymore. Though the REV lines idea is a solid idea so props on that.

[DrZero]

i really dig that lightning regeneration power....very thematic/accurate...but overall seems a bit too strong...that "can't be outwitted" nonsense reeks of fanboy-ism...

He only has it on 2 of his clicks (and you don't get it at all if you play the 100-pt version), so I'd consider it balanced on those grounds.

Nice work here; it's powerful, but not as overpowered as I'd expected.

[Sparkdemon]

so does that mean you charge for 10, or they cant perplex down your speed??

[flakbait]

this black adam looks like the final nail in the coffin of the cap set...it's going to be over and forgotten quickly...which is a shame....

I think those days where we get to enjoy a set for a few months before the next are over. Heck, I still haven't played with my Brightest Day figures.

[GraveTheDarkestHero]

its a good figure for sure but um well uh, Shouldn't this 300pt beat-stick have i don't know maybe like indomitable or Quintessence?

[presidentluthor]

Oh my beatstick Batman!

[Ignatz_Mouse]

its a good figure for sure but um well uh, Shouldn't this 300pt beat-stick have i don't know maybe like indomitable or Quintessence?

It's all about balance.

[Munchoboy]

its a good figure for sure but um well uh, Shouldn't this 300pt beat-stick have i don't know maybe like indomitable or Quintessence?

It's all about balance.

Agreed, and I think it's debatable that this figure even needs :d-indomitable: in the first place. :confused:

[saturnflight]

I'm eagerly anticipating the day when a world champ designs a completely moderate figure. I'd love to see a dial design like Baron Zemo or Fixer: fun, unique, playable, but not a game winner in and of itself.

Then again, there's a certain playstyle and personality type that generally wins those big events...

[Ignatz_Mouse]

Being un-outwittable is important, though. Supes can outwit a stealth outwitter, but BA can't do that.

[Ignatz_Mouse]

I'm eagerly anticipating the day when a world champ designs a completely moderate figure. I'd love to see a dial design like Baron Zemo or Fixer: fun, unique, playable, but not a game winner in and of itself.

Then again, there's a certain playstyle and personality type that generally wins those big events...


Wait for my Angle Man.

He'll probably have the Clarice Ferguson dial (that's what I use for my mod).

Oh, who am I kidding, he's going to have some ridicuouls board-control power.

[T Rez]

I don't know about 300 pts without indomitable. And the 100 pt version having only 5 clicks kind of turns me off. I'm thinking that his 200 pt incarnation will probably be the best choice.

[ctrosejr]

Hell is Here! Black Adam can use charge. He can use it normally, or he can be given a double power action to use Charge with a locked speed value of 10 if he doesn't use the Carry ability or Super Strength.

What does the phrase "double power action" mean?

[Grategy]

Anyone else starting to think that the Supes set is going to set the bar for uber-powerful character?


People are going to stop saying "its no hammer of thor!" And start saying "its no supes!" For sure.

That figure is amazing and I like it. I think it does have a smudge of fanboy, but can you blame him? He's the world champ! He made his FAVORITE CHARACTER into a figure and made it everything he thinks Adam should be. Anyone who says they wouldn't make their favorite figure ridiculous is a liar and we don't take kindly to liars 'round these parts.

[T Rez]

What does the phrase "double power action" mean?

Put 2 action tokens on him. So basically he pushes to use it and can't do anything next turn. That will be a very situational power. But why put it on the first click? Who would want to push off that?

[Oc0cQtQm]

What does the phrase "double power action" mean?

I hope that he can Charge two times in the same turn.

Finger cross!!

[stuman6]

George you've looked better! Certainly you can break Teth-Amon's grip? Great Sculpt! Wish they would have made his dial with your actual dial ideas. But still great to see.Good job!

[Puuka]

i really dig that lightning regeneration power....very thematic/accurate...but overall seems a bit too strong...that "can't be outwitted" nonsense reeks of fanboy-ism...

this black adam looks like the final nail in the coffin of the cap set...it's going to be over and forgotten quickly...which is a shame....

Yes, I think Nightcrawler would have had a more interesting sculpt if they had shown him "Bamfing" out of a cloud of smoke while holding on to Ben Cheung's collar (looking startled as he's dragged backwards)

[Ignatz_Mouse]

The more I look at him, the less I understand any complaints about power.

At every level, he's got weaknessess that balance his cost. I think he'll actually be a bit tricky to play (and win) with, mostly for the lack of Indom.

I think he's well balanced.

[ctrosejr]

The more I look at him, the less I understand any complaints about power.

At every level, he's got weaknessess that balance his cost. I think he'll actually be a bit tricky to play (and win) with, mostly for the lack of Indom.

I think he's well balanced.

I agree with this.

[agrippa1737]

Nice...I won't pull it knowing my luck... I sure hope there is a supes that can match.

Is this broken?

[spider_ham]

Very nice! Congrats on the awesome dial and sculpt.

This may be the definitive Black Adam, as each version is highly playable and costed properly for its power set. At 100 points with a Red Lantern nearby, he's an absolute monster! He's much better than the Crisis and BatB versions, imho. More importantly, the cost of each new version preserves all previous versions (100/102/110/123/140/150/200/254/280/300).

I hope that WK takes George's concept further with more characters in the future, eliminating the need for multiple remakes (until retirement).

[CowboyBebop]

I like the sculpt except for the yellow in his costume. Seriously, they couldn't have painted him black and gold?

[Thunderclese]

Requiring a double power action for a 10 movement charge that doesn't let you carry or use Super Strength while not benefiting from Indomitable/Willpower is more balanced than I'd expect from a "fan-boy" dial design.

That's what Nightcrawler was lacking, any sort of balance. He could grab people whether he *dealt damage or not, had 2 chances to avoid attacks (three if you include stealth) on top of a high defense.

But back to Adam, very cool design. People will complain for one reason or another, but congrats go to Massu for building a figure with options and balance.

[Puuka]

Put 2 action tokens on him. So basically he pushes to use it and can't do anything next turn. That will be a very situational power. But why put it on the first click? Who would want to push of that?

If you're holding the pop machine, and a beefy tentpole brick is 7-10 squares away. If that attack is going to knock him past his usefulness (Remember, the Pop Machine is +3 to a close combat attack), it might be worth the attack.

Just realzed that he can't use his Super Strength to use it. Still, if you have a HSS threat there, I would do it.

[T Rez]

If you're holding the pop machine, and a beefy tentpole brick is 7-10 squares away. If that attack is going to knock him past his usefulness (Remember, the Pop Machine is +3 to a close combat attack), it might be worth the attack.

He can't use Super strength when he uses that special power.

[pattheimpaler]

What does the phrase "double power action" mean?


It's an action that takes two tokens, meaning:
1. You can't have any tokens already on when you get it.
2. It automatically deals pushing damage (even to :d-indomitable: people).


Incapacitate is going to be this guy's worst enemy.

Here's what I'd like a ruling on:
1. He can't heal past his starting click, can he?
2. Once he loses that special impervious power, can he be Outwitted normally?

[Telimtor]

WOW, he will go right into my DC Mystical team !

94 AN033 Isis
101 AN023 Osiris
100 SM054r Black Adam

5pts left for an object ! Can't wait !

[Thunderclese]

WOW, he will go right into my DC Mystical team !

94 AN033 Isis
101 AN023 Osiris
100 SM054r Black Adam

5pts left for an object ! Can't wait !

Or The Society or Monster Society ATAs...

[Skeet181]

I like this guy. Keep pushing til they're all dead.

[Munchoboy]

Incapacitate is going to be this guy's worst enemy.

Not with all that Battle Fury! ;)

[Megamanred]

WOW, he will go right into my DC Mystical team !

94 AN033 Isis
101 AN023 Osiris
100 SM054r Black Adam

5pts left for an object ! Can't wait !

Red Lantern 5 Points. SHAZAM!:bolt: team.

[Bat-Phreak]

WOW, he will go right into my DC Mystical team !

94 AN033 Isis
101 AN023 Osiris
100 SM054r Black Adam

5pts left for an object ! Can't wait !


Nice team, I will use this some time! Rep!

Note: to bring a little Marvel-flavored "cheese" include WoS Doppelganger on a 400-pt team! :cool:

2. Once he loses that special impervious power, can he be Outwitted normally?

Yes

He only has it on 2 of his clicks (and you don't get it at all if you play the 100-pt version), so I'd consider it balanced on those grounds.

Yes he does, on his last click.

[Clixjunkie]

Great dial. Lovin' the lightning regeneration. This is over all a very comic accurate dial for the WW3 Black Adam. I however do not agree with the opening 19 DV (Hmmm seems to be a trend with fan created figs.) He's not that hard too hit. He just shrugs off the damage. 18 would have been fine. Especially combined with the def SP. Also this is how a 300pt fig should be at end dial. AV no lower than a 9, take notes Superman!

[red king]

Requiring a double power action for a 10 movement charge that doesn't let you carry or use Super Strength while not benefiting from Indomitable/Willpower is more balanced than I'd expect from a "fan-boy" dial design.

That's what Nightcrawler was lacking, any sort of balance. He could grab people whether he hit or not, had 2 chances to avoid attacks (three if you include stealth) on top of a high defense.

But back to Adam, very cool design. People will complain for one reason or another, but congrats go to Massu for building a figure with options and balance.


Actually Nightcrawler does need to hit to be able to grab you. He just doesnt need to do damage.

[iamtrever]

i want to see him go up against 300 point superman in sealed tournaments

[trackerjay]

Yes he does, on his last click.

No, that's his regen power, not his ignore outwit power. He only has that on the top clicks of his 300 and 200 point versions. So you can outwit him on that last click.

You need the indigo lantern if you want to regen him from one regen to the other and then to the top click of his 300.

[T Rez]

Great dial. Lovin' the lightning regeneration. This is over all a very comic accurate dial for the WW3 Black Adam. I however do not agree with the opening 19 DV (Hmmm seems to be a trend with fan created figs.) He's not that hard too hit. He just shrugs off the damage. 18 would have been fine. Especially combined with the def SP. Also this is how a 300pt fig should be at end dial. AV no lower than a 9, take notes Superman!

In all fairness Supes has those low attack values because he was very sick/weak towards the end of All-Star Superman.

I really think that the #001 Superman is one of the most comic accurate figs I have ever seen. His dial literally changes according to the storyline. Superman is definitely my favorite of the previewed figures so far.

[trackerjay]

I think 300 pt superman will still beat the 300 point black adam. Supes gets first hit in, and unless you roll terrible won't have to much trouble hitting. Also since Black Adams outwit is outwittable Supes can still get rid of that if he does miss. I only see Black Adam winning with luck or his opponent making a mistake.

[WestCoastAvengers]

The Champ is the figure. Awesome!

[Clixkilla]

nah, not broken just really good. according to the write up the hell is here power adam can charge 10 squares then attack

[victorsage]

he should be indomitable

[TOE-NEE]

They really need to stop letting the World Champions design figures. These figs are just getting rediculous.

[iceman243]

Here's what I'd like a ruling on:
1. He can't heal past his starting click, can he?
2. Once he loses that special impervious power, can he be Outwitted normally?

1. Have we ever had a figure that was able to heal past what the click they started at? Whether it was the original Sentinel with it's multiple starting lines or any Colossals or even AE figures, I can't recall any that could ever heal to a click that is earlier than the one they started at.
2. I don't see why not as that Defense Special Power is the only thing making him unoutwittable (with the exception of his own Outwit)

[Old Purple Puss]

WOW, he will go right into my DC Mystical team !

94 AN033 Isis
101 AN023 Osiris
100 SM054r Black Adam

5pts left for an object ! Can't wait !

or 6 points left for mr tawky tawny

[Thunderclese]

Actually Nightcrawler does need to hit to be able to grab you. He just doesnt need to do damage.

Oops, my bad, lol

That shows how much I actually see the guy fielded.

[aizz]

The All Star Superman, not too impressed, but this figure really is spectacular, is the figure of the set

[Nightwing-fan]

This Superman set just gets better and better. Black Adam is another MUST HAVE figure for me. DC clix are so much better.

[Impulse-ive]

The sculpt is horrible. what is with that huge bolt behind him? and the bolts coming out of the rock. i think if you removed those and painted it better it wouldn't be bad.

Maybe i'm just looking as aegisfang's and Algrim's work too much to be objective.

[Captain Castle]

Well I need to change my pants

[Count_Aight]

Ehh. I like my Crisis Black Adam more for three reasons.

1. Better sculpt. Not a fan of prop characters on a sculpt.

2. I prefer Crisis Black Adam's dial. He doesn't ever drop to a :g-starburst: of 2

3. I own a Crisis Black Adam. If I were to pull this one from my brick, I would still do a happy dance.

[Captain Castle]

Ehh. I like my Crisis Black Adam more for three reasons.

1. Better sculpt. Not a fan of prop characters on a sculpt.

2. I prefer Crisis Black Adam's dial. He doesn't ever drop to a :g-starburst: of 2

3. I own a Crisis Black Adam. If I were to pull this one from my brick, I would still do a happy dance.

Unfortunately, I'll keep buying til I pull him lol

[T Rez]

he should be indomitable

I've always felt that everyone in the Black/Marvel Family should have indomitable. One of their powers is the stamina of Shu/Atlas. In other words, they never get tired.

But for some strange reason WK has never noticed that.

Oh well, at least Massu got them to finally represent the wisdom of Zehuti correctly. Hopefully WK will get the wisdom of Solomon correct on future Marvel Family members by making it outwit as well.

[SlayerOfAres]

This Superman set just gets better and better. Black Adam is another MUST HAVE figure for me. DC clix are so much better.

eh. not really.

[Count_Aight]

Unfortunately, I'll keep buying til I pull him lol

With that big chunk of plastic he is standing on, you should be able to cherry pick him?! :grin:

[Robin the Assassin]

The sculpt is horrible. what is with that huge bolt behind him? and the bolts coming out of the rock. i think you you removed those and painted it better it wouldn't be bad.

Maybe i'm just looking as aegisfang's and Algrim's work too much to be objective.

The sculpt is horrible?!?! you have obviously never seen
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20071220154755/marvel_dc/images/thumb/8/8d/Black_Adam_-_The_Dark_Age_5_%28Virgin%29.jpg/266px-Black_Adam_-_The_Dark_Age_5_%28Virgin%29.jpg

Great sculpt! Great Fig! This is what Heroclix is all about!

[CowboyBebop]

This Superman set just gets better and better. Black Adam is another MUST HAVE figure for me. DC clix are so much better, IMO.

Fixed it for you.

[mattsolo]

Wow, just wow. Why no one thought of this REV concept before now is beyond me. It's one of those "Should have had a V8" Head slap moments. Great sculpt, great concept, it will be fun to play. Can't wait to see Hulk with this kind of dial, but at 300, 400 and a Ross defying 500 points.

[sparks4289]

dumbest dial I have ever seen.............

[Zarg]

Pretty amazing, and based on the source material, pretty accurate, too. Of course, all of a sudden that 300-pt All-Star Superman doesn't seem so overpowered.

[fastcat99]

....with himself as the pummeled character. Hahahahaha! Big kudos, there! Hysterical. My kind of designer. :cool:

[Spider-Dave]

i really dig that lightning regeneration power....very thematic/accurate...but overall seems a bit too strong...that "can't be outwitted" nonsense reeks of fanboy-ism...

this black adam looks like the final nail in the coffin of the cap set...it's going to be over and forgotten quickly...which is a shame....

Ummmm....why? He can't be outwitted for two clicks of his dial...and he can't push either.

This dial is about 1/10th the fanboism powergaming of Bencrawler.

[mandoman10]

i have to say, i prefer the crisis sculpt.

[surrealhero1019]

Wow, the power creeps really came out in force on this one! We get an absolutely brutal figure and some of you complain that he isn't powerful enough? I mean, come on! Where's the strategy (and fun) in getting a single, point and click figure that does all the work for you? Bringing to the table what he does, he doesn't need Indom. I don't care if it's 'comic accurate or not. I'm glad the venue I play at doesn't get some of you folks. :P Anyway, I love that WizKids is turning out sculpts based on classic scenes and covers. I think it really adds to the aura of the game. Kudos to George on this! (and it's geek-out awesome that he's included in the sculpt!)

[brojase]

The sculpt is horrible?!?! you have obviously never seen
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20071220154755/marvel_dc/images/thumb/8/8d/Black_Adam_-_The_Dark_Age_5_%28Virgin%29.jpg/266px-Black_Adam_-_The_Dark_Age_5_%28Virgin%29.jpg

Great sculpt! Great Fig! This is what Heroclix is all about!

Just because the sculpt is based off of a picture does not make it a great sculpt.

[DrugSex]

Finally! Black Adam has return to heroclixs!

[Thunderclese]

Wow, the power creeps really came out in force on this one! We get an absolutely brutal figure and some of you complain that he isn't powerful enough? I mean, come on! Where's the strategy (and fun) in getting a single, point and click figure that does all the work for you? Bringing to the table what he does, he doesn't need Indom. I don't care if it's 'comic accurate or not. I'm glad the venue I play at doesn't get some of you folks. :P Anyway, I love that WizKids is turning out sculpts based on classic scenes and covers. I think it really adds to the aura of the game. Kudos to George on this! (and it's geek-out awesome that he's included in the sculpt!)

Obviously you're not a golfer.

[SlayerOfAres]

Hes priced fairly hes great/not broken. His outwit can still be outwited on his top click. Cap set still rules and wont be forgotten. We have a small sample size so this isnt dcs HOT yet. I love figures that are like pannels from comics, if you dont im sorry.


There i addressed all the posts in this thread.

[(SpeedBall)]

this gives me hope that hulk will be amazing in the next set!

[hanzoslash]

They should have made him a rare like Nightcrawler was.

[Puuka]

Wow, just wow. Why no one thought of this REV concept before now is beyond me. It's one of those "Should have had a V8" Head slap moments. Great sculpt, great concept, it will be fun to play. Can't wait to see Hulk with this kind of dial, but at 300, 400 and a Ross defying 500 points.

I'd still rather see an Alter ego for Hulk/Banner.

[Entropy]

honestly it seems like a dial that is appropriately powerful, but well balanced. awesome sculpt (i am nto one that minds bodies or terrain on them) and i applaud the world champ for making a super powerful figure, that is still very well balanced.

i kind of want to pull him now

[anonym0use]

dumbest dial I have ever seen.............

Because??????

[enter aqua]

oh my oh my! he looks quite nice and deadly! So does this mean were getting a shazam in this set too? =0

[Dark_Knight]

I like it, powerpiece and I agree that in particular I like the Regeneration SP being on the Attack Slot as opposed to the Defense Slot. All too often you get pieces that it seems the designers can't quite figure out a way around giving someone regeneration and yet not leaving them so vulnerable to attack (Hulk comes to mind, a LOT.)

Congrats to George and I hope he's pleased with the piece. Someone mentioned concern about this set being "overpowered," however we have to realize this is based on Superman, not say the Care Bears. High powered villians are in due order here. I hope Shazam is equally as powerful ...

[phillynorthstar]

that first defensive click is way too overpowered for a 300 point figure. 19 defense is just too high. a range attack while in hindering means you probably need to roll a 10-11 to hit him for one damage (not gonna happen) and missing means you are taking 5 penetrating. broken first click. broken i say!

[DrugSex]

This Superman set just gets better and better. Black Adam is another MUST HAVE figure for me. DC clix are so much better.

And sets.
But at least marvel have the edge at maps... I think... :p
I never thought that a set will surpass Crisis but now i'm have my doubts.

[Grumpygoat]

I really like this figure. The fact that he has three point costs is a big plus, for one - he more readily fits onto a number of different teams, or as his very own tentpole.

Beyond that, he is very, very far from overpowered, at least at 300 points and probably the other point costs, too.

At 300 points you get...0 range. Charge with a bonus. No Indomitable or Willpower. If you knock him off his first click (and fourth), he becomes a huge target for Outwit. Compared to the 300 point Superman, I'd put my money on Superman winning - Superman quite possibly can run rings around Black Adam without getting attacked thanks to Superman's mix of Indomitable, Hypersonic Speed, and 8 range.

So power-wise, Black Adam's good but hardly ridiculous.

Also, the sculpt is pretty snazzy.

Bravo, George.

[thefriendlyfoe]

Great piece. I'm loving the 3 dials. This makes the piece so much more playable. I hope to see more clix like this in the future.

[Grumpygoat]

that first defensive click is way too overpowered for a 300 point figure. 19 defense is just too high. a range attack while in hindering means you probably need to roll a 10-11 to hit him for one damage (not gonna happen) and missing means you are taking 5 penetrating. broken first click. broken i say!

If the best attack value you can muster against a solitary figure is a 9 or 10, you deserve to lose. Additionally, the common 300 point Superman can hit Black Adam on a 7 from outside Black Adam's regular Charge range.

8 range, 3 damage, and a 11+ attack with a mix of Perplex and/or Probability Control isn't hard to field. Tie-up figures will also be the bane of this Charge-heavy brick.

This Black Adam is pretty close to balanced, at least at 300 points. Arguably, he's underpowered.

[TheRedHood]

So glad I am ordering a case of this. This looks awesome. Love the three levels, love the fact that the world champ incorporated himself into the sculpt. It does however make me jealous :devious:

Can't wait to see more from this set.

[The Bog Man]

I would question yet another Black Adam, but Crisis did just retire,... and this piece is very nice. An interesting dial to say the least, cool sculpt, and apparently the first official fan insertion in Heroclix.

[iceman243]

Wow, just wow. Why no one thought of this REV concept before now is beyond me. It's one of those "Should have had a V8" Head slap moments. Great sculpt, great concept, it will be fun to play. Can't wait to see Hulk with this kind of dial, but at 300, 400 and a Ross defying 500 points.

Remember this guy?:) The lines don't show up in the unit forum, but they are on the dial. The full dial is shown below.

icS01 V Sentinel Mark VII
Team: No Affiliation
Range: 10 :bolt:
Points: 300
Keywords: Future, Robot
m-winga-fistd-shieldg-fist121116410101641010164101016381016381016379152791527915210111738101627915158151581515815.5815.481 5.4815.KOKOKOKOKOKOKOKO

[SlayerOfAres]

that first defensive click is way too overpowered for a 300 point figure. 19 defense is just too high. a range attack while in hindering means you probably need to roll a 10-11 to hit him for one damage (not gonna happen) and missing means you are taking 5 penetrating. broken first click. broken i say!

His outwit can be outwitted... so how is it penetrating?

[Bat-Phreak]

i really dig that lightning regeneration power....very thematic/accurate...but overall seems a bit too strong...that "can't be outwitted" nonsense reeks of fanboy-ism...


No, that's his regen power, not his ignore outwit power. He only has that on the top clicks of his 300 and 200 point versions. So you can outwit him on that last click.

You need the indigo lantern if you want to regen him from one regen to the other and then to the top click of his 300.

Blubeard's original post was referring to BA's Lightning Regeneration, not Defender of Khandaq; the latter power is not present on the Rookie dial, the former is.

[SlayerOfAres]

I would question yet another Black Adam, but Crisis did just retire,... and this piece is very nice. An interesting dial to say the least, cool sculpt, and apparently the first official fan insertion in Heroclix.

I guess in mirror masters mirror is a normal dude.. Scott ..

[gatharion]

I approve.
Very powerful, without being an "insta win" figure. Not against a well balanced team anyway. (I want to play him against Crisis Specter.)
A whole mess o keywords and multiple starting values and that trait, all serve to make him very easy to build teams around.

I'd like to get him, but I'm not a big enough fan (I honestly don't understand his popularity) that I'll try too hard to hunt one down.

[brojase]

Remember this guy?:) The lines don't show up in the unit forum, but they are on the dial. The full dial is shown below.

icS01 V Sentinel Mark VII
Team: No Affiliation
Range: 10 :bolt:
Points: 300
Keywords: Future, Robot
m-winga-fistd-shieldg-fist121116410101641010164101016381016381016379152791527915210111738101627915158151581515815.5815.481 5.4815.KOKOKOKOKOKOKOKO

I think he's referring to single based characters in the CUR era.

[themonkey]

Great piece, very powerful but very balanced. Compare him to the Shazam/Black Adam Duo at 150, or Namor at 150, or starter Thing and he's spot on in points.

Lightning Regeneration is spot-on. I know when Shazam calls down the lightning it even hurts Superman. A lot!

About that starting 19 det. Ever field the new Doomsday? The 19 Impervious won't protect you nearly as much as it seems. Maybe if he had 19 Super Senses, Stealth, and Shape Change...

I love the sculpt. O's every bit as good as the cover sculpts out of DC75.

I have nothing but good things to say about the new Black Adam design. Great job.

[rorschachparadox]

It's an action that takes two tokens, meaning:
1. You can't have any tokens already on when you get it.
2. It automatically deals pushing damage (even to :d-indomitable: people).


Incapacitate is going to be this guy's worst enemy.

Here's what I'd like a ruling on:
1. He can't heal past his starting click, can he?
2. Once he loses that special impervious power, can he be Outwitted normally?

A DPA wouldn't deal damage to Indom figs... It deals pushing damage as normal, right? IM/WM is an exception, because it says specifically in the power that they take damage.

Incap only hurts him on his three starting clicks with Outwit, thanks to recent Battle Fury changes.

No figure can heal past their starting click. If I recall, there is a PG line to that effect.

Once he loses Defender of Khadaq, everything is Outwit-able.

I love thjs figure, and will play him often. Powerful, yes. Congrats George! But broken? Not a chance.

[UniqueLoginNamor]

Anyone else starting to think that the Supes set is going to set the bar for uber-powerful character?

Uh, Hammer of Thor. I think pieces will return to normal after Supes just like the did for Thor

[HeroclixFrank]

Now THIS is more like the Black Adam I know and love from World War 3.

The Black Adam that basically took on the entire hero community and kicked their butts!

I do wish it was a rare instead of a SR though. Now if I don't pull it it'll cost me a pretty penny. At least the Supes is a common, so if it's a sealed the chances are good to counter him.


The sad part though is this version of Black Adam probably won't exist in DC Continuity after September. Maybe the alternate Earth where the Marvels will live, but not the DCnU. :(

[mavjonpaul]

I would have to say I think indom would have been good for him. other then missing that he is an excellent piece. I could care less bout the trait. I love the 3 level playing tier. I also would have imagined the hands of the Marine on at least the arm of Black Adam. And as a fellow Marine OOHRAH!!!

[UltraMANOS]

AWESOME WEEEEEEEEE!

This is what I am talking about, thank you wizkids!

[Widowmaker03]

he is pretty meh... for 300 points you can use a full body charge and take a click of pushing. Or for 17 more points you can get E2 that does that without pushing... has unoutwittable indom, and has a 10 range...

If I ever play this figure, I will forgo the 300 point version in lieu of the 200 point version. It has HSS and is only a loss of 3 clicks.

[HD7619]

He is F'N Sick!!! Love it

[cassius335]

and apparently the first official fan insertion in Heroclix.

Eh, it's not a proper fan insertion unless there's a George Masseru dial (and card) to go with that sculpt... though the sculpt is a step in that direction, I guess...

[T Rez]

he is pretty meh... for 300 points you can use a full body charge and take a click of pushing. Or for 17 more points you can get E2 that does that without pushing... has unoutwittable indom, and has a 10 range...

If I ever play this figure, I will forgo the 300 point version in lieu of the 200 point version. It has HSS and is only a loss of 3 clicks.

I feel the same way. 300 pts is too much of an investment for no indom. But he looks really good at 200 points, not bad at 100 either. But I do prefer the 200 point version.

I kind of like the fact that this version doesn't make the previous two useless. I still think Crisis BA is the way to go in big point GA games and the BA side of ShazAdam will still have it's place in certain builds.

[happyoptimistic88]

Recently I was able to chat with 2010 World HeroClix Champ, George Massu and we discussed some of his memories from last year’s Worlds event and what it was like to participate in the design process.
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Black Adam is good, and he has for two clicks, -3 damage reducing Impervious if dealt 4 or more damage, nice! :cool: I have talked to people before about this, that certain figures should have -3 Impervious. Superman, Doomsday, Hulk, etc. But that's cool that Black Adam has it, hopefully Captain Marvel is in this set as well and he should have also -3 Impervious, Darkseid could even have it, but we will just have to see when the stats are released. :)

[tenketsu]

I love the 3 point values. This should become the new standard.

He's a very cool piece, comic accurate, and I like the sculpt.

He's not competitive at all, though, at any point value. Despite his special power, he's incredibly vulnerable to Outwit unless you're playing Golden Age and throw Fortitude on him (requiring a 400+ point game if you're fielding the 300 point version), making his partial immunity to Outwit redundant. Until he gets to his HSS, he's going to be torn apart by ranged pieces. He's way too expensive to be giving up clicks via the Double Power action (in fact, it still wouldn't be a great option even if he could Carry, use Super Strength, and use his full speed value with it--then it would just be a crappy version of HSS that puts tokens and pushing damage on him). Lightning Regeneration could be great if he had more of it--heck, enough of it might've rescued his playability, but he only has two clicks of it. Odds he'll see it are low. Odds he'll get to use it are lower. Odds he'll heal if he does are even lower. The stars have to align just right for this to work out for you. And even then, you're still losing out on a HSS attack.

From even a semi-competitive standpoint, the only possible use I can see for him is the 100 version along with Isis and Osiris, if you were already committed to a Black Marvel theme team.

If he wasn't a super rare, I'd get him because I like the character and he'd be fun for casual games. Guess I'll be stuck using the Unleashed REV for a few more years, yet. Maybe one day they'll make a new Black Adam that isn't an SR--until then, I'll just console myself with the fact that the E and V Unleashed can still kick his ###.

[PaxZRake]

I like it, but, I have 6 other Black Adam's to play.

If I pull it, yay, if I don't, cool.

[Kamazel]

Great sculpt but why does it seem like there will be alot of brutes with outwit in this set? I can sort of understand why Black Adam has it but why does supes have it? I'm not a huge DC reader but for the most part doesn't he just rely on his strength instead of trying to defeat his foes using intelligence? I would understand a keyword specific outwit or something against certain pieces that use kryptonite as a weapon but even then its a bit of a stretch since mostly someone comes to his aid and takes care of the rock. Also I sense much smash and bash in this set.

[larthosgrr8]

well ok,
the good- sculpt is great, values are high. this is a black adam that just lost his family! i will say that i love the regen powers and his other sp. shazam had to change his word to stop him. that sp shows that.

the bad- if this is ww3 adam, why does his trait help osiris and isis? why doesn't it give HIM something when they die?

the ugly- why is he not indom at 300 pts. are you asking ppl NOT to play him. there is no good figure in heroclix over 250pts that gets used without indom.the super charge is silly at best. who in there right mind will push off such a good first dial? if you actually read ww3, you'd know that he was flying super fast everywhere. forget the indom, but making him have to push to use full move charge is silly. if this is an 'REV' dial, why no TA at the lower levels? i just feel that the 300 point value is a waste. i can't see me or anyone in my venues playing that.

at 200 pts this fig is is cool. he wasn't designed to be played at only 200 pts so i feel you have wasted points. no reason x-force (the wos team) should beat black adam really. oh well, i hope george is happy with his fig. he's the only player to be immortalized in plastic! congrats bro! give em hell at gencon!

[rorschachparadox]

Great sculpt but why does it seem like there will be alot of brutes with outwit in this set? I can sort of understand why Black Adam has it but why does supes have it? I'm not a huge DC reader but for the most part doesn't he just rely on his strength instead of trying to defeat his foes using intelligence? I would understand a keyword specific outwit or something against certain pieces that use kryptonite as a weapon but even then its a bit of a stretch since mostly someone comes to his aid and takes care of the rock. Also I sense much smash and bash in this set.

Read All-Star Superman. The common #001 Superman is based off of that series, and he uses his intelligence as much as his muscle... He even quotes Luthor himself at the end while defeating him... "You were right, brains beat brawn every time." So that Superman deserves it. (As do most any Silver Age Superman. Or Red Son. etc...)

Just to answer the specific question you posed :)

[rwint1968]

Wow, Awesome fig!

:cool:

[Byzantine]

Wow. We just found the new Magneto-priced figure.

[HH2011003]

This thing is very cool all-around.

The Defense SP is the only thing I might call "overpowered" (mostly due to the fact that he can already use the Society ATA), but 1) at least it only shows up briefly and 2) it will keep All-Star Superman from Outwitting and subsequently kicking the crap out of him in a 300-point game.

And I like the sculpt despite usually being against "extra people" on a Heroclix figure (like GSX Iceman, DC75 Bane, etc), because it's pretty rad that he managed to get himself printed up as a Heroclix figure. I just hope those lightning bolts are sturdy enough to not go all bendy in the booster!

[herojoe]

An amazing piece. If there's anything I'm tired of it's the standard brute with charge, super strength, and impervious. This figure is a welcome change of pace that I hope we will see on future figures.

[lashelton1990]

well at least he is not nearly as bad as nightcrawler, i like how they put the guy on the clix, make more of and incentive to go to gen con next year.

[__Carnage__]

Teth Adam is up there with one of me favorite characters of all time. The first thing I was looking for on his dial was either a giant "Q" on the back or a slash on the shield next to his defense. I got neither :(. I do like the sculpt and I do like the powers, but for a man who destroyed all the life of a country in 1 day, might deserve something that makes the man not take pushing damage.

[catherine]

Very happy with this Black Adam. Not overpowered, but capable. Versatile for team building. Great sculpt. Inventive and comic accurate powers. And encourages use with Isis and Osiris. Definately the Black Adam I wanted. And in no way invalidates the Captain America set, which can definately handle this guy. Been looking forward to this figure since it was announced, and one of very few figures I have an interest in from the Superman set. Thanks WK and George. Mad props to a fellow service member.

[Impulse-ive]

What looks good on a cover doesn't always look good in clix-form. Look at the Supermen from the last set. Take the pose maybe...but that huge lightning bolt only works on a picture with boundries. You didn't see huge lightning bolts on origins Shazam for a reason...some one knew what looked good. ;)

The sculpt is horrible?!?! you have obviously never seen
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20071220154755/marvel_dc/images/thumb/8/8d/Black_Adam_-_The_Dark_Age_5_%28Virgin%29.jpg/266px-Black_Adam_-_The_Dark_Age_5_%28Virgin%29.jpg

Great sculpt! Great Fig! This is what Heroclix is all about!

[rorschachparadox]

What looks good on a cover doesn't always look good in clix-form. Look at the Supermen from the last set. Take the pose maybe...but that huge lightning bolt only works on a picture with boundries. You didn't see huge lightning bolts on origins Shazam for a reason...some one knew what looked good. ;)

You'll see huge lightning bolts on my Shazam! figure... My friend is a modder, and they look really cool.

[joe9186]

If i dont get him out of boosters i have a feeling im going to be spending alot of money.

[oranus]

Not really that bad. I'd say he is pretty balanced. Yes the 19 on the firtst click is tough, but that's part of the game, rolling dice. Some perplex and Prop Control will help. Plus, its a Superman set, so the terrain bonus might not be all that.
Also, he will push to use his charge at full speed power and no Indom. Look people, I have been playing since the first set, there was no Indom. Get over it, some high point figs won't have it. It can be a crutch, but I understand, 300 points is ALOT, but the guy ignores outwit for a few click on defense, that's a pretty big plus. AND, it is like upgraded Imperv.
And for those who do complain about the inability to outwit his Special Defense, a few words: Penetrating/Psychic Blast, Exploit Weakenss, and Pulse Wave. They do not cancel/counter damage reducing powers, they ignore them. Its called strategy, every figure is beatable, and every figure can be a killer (ok, maybe not quite the latter).

[UndeadEnigma]

First thought, WOW all I have to do is win worlds and I can get a sculpt of me making out with Catwoman!

Back to reality.

All of these powerful outwitters are really getting on my nerves. Black Adam already crushes 90 percent of the figures from the past. But everything in this Superman set just doesn't excite me. I don't care if my figure has 5+ damage, I don't want my games to end in five minutes. Also I don't want to be out gunned by some one trick styled player either. Bigger isn't always better.

That said in this modern age, I lose a lot of games. I guess I can't wrap my head around the DC uber god garbage. I'd rather play a team that doesn't come with every power on the dial already.

I'm happy that George got a very cool Black Adam and got himself immortalized in plastic. If I were talented enough though I'd replace George and put the 75th Superman on there.

I guess I'm talking myself out of getting much of this set. I have to afford rent and food after all. Plus hating Superman as a character adds to my own personal negativity.

[Chrismcnic]

lovelovelovelovelove <3

The only difference between this guy and Magneto is I will actually drop full price on Adam, no hesitation. That sculpt is so clever and amazing too. Really nice that the designer got some recognition that way. :)

[KO Bossy]

Very cool. Lack of the ability to push hurts a bit, but he's still incredibly powerful, yet not in a "Cosmic Spider-man" way. Good stuff.

Wait, he's an SR? Damn it. :disappointed:

[Grumpygoat]

All of these powerful outwitters are really getting on my nerves. Black Adam already crushes 90 percent of the figures from the past. But everything in this Superman set just doesn't excite me. I don't care if my figure has 5+ damage, I don't want my games to end in five minutes. Also I don't want to be out gunned by some one trick styled player either. Bigger isn't always better.


Black Adam will crush 90% of the figures from the past because he's 300 points and most of those figures...are not. One on one, sure. Black Adam.

Against a decently constructed team? Black Adam will go down. Black Adam lacks the range and ability to push to make up for getting swarmed. The same with Superman. Meanwhile, figures like Non and Ursa are comparable to figures already in the game.

The Superman figures thus far are a lateral move in power from the stuff we've received in the past few sets.

[poparazzi456]

The sculpt looks weak for a SR. I expected better.

I see you are in the late stages of blindness:knockedou

And am I the only one who thinks the 100 point version with osiris and isis will be the next Warriors three? Of course I would prefer the BD Osiris in a 400 point and add detective chimp

[Thrumble Funk]

The sculpt looks weak for a SR. I expected better.

I really don't get people's standards sometimes.

[KO Bossy]

I really don't get people's standards sometimes.

Its not jewel encrusted or made of gold. :p

[Chrismcnic]

And am I the only one who thinks the 100 point version with osiris and isis will be the next Warriors three? Of course I would prefer the BD Osiris in a 400 point and add detective chimp

Absolutely. :cool:

I'm really excited to have a 100 pointer for (Secret) Society teams now as well. Can't wait for the opportune moment where Psycho Pirate gets to tie the last piece on a team up before Adam zips in and finishes them off. :devious:

[Chrismcnic]

For the record, I think George & Co. also did a really nice job of balancing him; I don't see any version here as overpriced or easily defeated either. All will go down hard over time if they're up against some well-positioned figures with Exploit and Psychic Blast.

[RedDragon]

congratulations again george. & i must say i love this piece everything about it! all 5! i can't wait to get one. & congratulation on becoming immoralized. your name like alexander the great will long out live you. whenever someone is playing this game in some form & this piece, & ask who is the soldier? or why is there a soldier on this piece. you will live again. LONG LIVE DC!

[VictorySaber]

... Wonderful. I do not see how black adam has ever shown any degree of wisdom from zehuti that would warrant outwit... perplex, maybe, but NEVER outwit. an SP that grants Imperv, and can cut damage by 3 if damage dealt is 4 or greater... AND prevents outwitting of any of his other powers, save Outwit...and regeneration with damage potential. I don't care if there are only 2 clicks of it on the dial, why the hell not just give him the damn quintessence TA since we're going for borken-ness?

Ben's Nightcrawler was balanced.

This drivel has not only a barely passable sculpt, imo, but a dial and trait that really... makes me nauseous. I'll stick with my 300 point superman... and also hope that we see a flashpoint-era Shazam to beat the hell out of this monkey.

[Renard]

Hell is Here would be better off being regular charge and giving some of those points back. With 0 range the only way you'd want to double token and push is if you KO (or close) someone strong, so not being able to use Super Strength is a negative. And since he's not Quintessence or Indomitable he pushes to take the double power action (and there is only one time in his dial you would be okay to push from Hell is Here to the next click, but then you lose protection from outwit so maybe not even there), and good luck staying there when the enemy team gets to hit you two turns straight with everything. First click he'd be pushing from a 19 def 5 dmg to 18/4. Regen sucks with min heal 0, and since he's not Q/Indom it's almost pointless. At first I thought his powers couldn't be countered except outwit for his whole dial, now I see it's just on two clicks. :( :( :(
He seems good at 100, weak at 200, really weak at 300.

[Chrismcnic]

@Victory: Yeah, the one change I had been thinking about was that I would definitely swap Outwit with Exploit Weakness, so I see your confusion there.

However, I must add that I think aggravation about his Defense SP is a bit premature and unwarranted, imo. Anti-brick stratagies don't always have to involve using Outwit, right? ;)

[adam1der]

GREAT job George! Like Stu, I wish you had been able to use more of your original ideas or at the very least, give him indomitable at the 300pt range. Great way to celebrate your victory and time as a marine by being put in the sculpt design. I'm getting two and I want you to autograph one of 'em for me! :classic:

[rorschachparadox]

why the hell not just give him the damn quintessence TA since we're going for borken-ness?

Ben's Nightcrawler was balanced.

...right.... really?

no teal for real?

[Thunderclese]

About how "poor" the sculpt looks. It's been my experience that even the actual figure images we see don't compare to the final products I get in my boosters. That may just be me though. And of course they aren't going to compare to digital sculpts simply because paint has to be applied.

[aqhoffman]

Wow, I really, really like this piece, and I can't imagine a greater contrast between 2 sets than the CPT America and Superman sets. Its cool to think of how competetive a sealed booster game can be within a set release, while the sets themselves are hugely different.

I think the 100 pt dial is great, I disagree with those thinking the 5 clicks of it aren't worth it. Sure the 300 pt dial is super powerful, but at least we are PAYING for it with the high point cost. The aggravation over BenCrawler wasn't just the super liberal interpretation of NC's power set, but also how ridiculously low cost the figure was. I'm not seeing that with this piece. Sure, its a beat stick, but this set likely has a couple dozen beatsticks in it. And am I missing something, 'cuz the sculpt looks pretty good to me, though who knows how the actual one will look when in hand.

Heck, Magog- for 85 pts with his high attack, 3 damage, and Psychic blast-can take Black Adam down a peg (or any other fig we've previewed so far).

No way do I see people hating this figure 3 or 4 sets later, like Ben Crawler is hated, nor do I see it being as a warping influence on the game. The common 300 pt Supes getting played by about 1/4 of the sealed booster tourny players is gonna cause more griping on the realms I'll wager.

[Thrumble Funk]

... Wonderful. I do not see how black adam has ever shown any degree of wisdom from zehuti that would warrant outwit... perplex, maybe, but NEVER outwit. an SP that grants Imperv, and can cut damage by 3 if damage dealt is 4 or greater... AND prevents outwitting of any of his other powers, save Outwit...and regeneration with damage potential. I don't care if there are only 2 clicks of it on the dial, why the hell not just give him the damn quintessence TA since we're going for borken-ness?

Ben's Nightcrawler was balanced.

This drivel has not only a barely passable sculpt, imo, but a dial and trait that really... makes me nauseous. I'll stick with my 300 point superman... and also hope that we see a flashpoint-era Shazam to beat the hell out of this monkey.

There are many things wrong with this post, IMO.

[Entropy]

I really don't get people's standards sometimes.

agreed, fortunately my standards are dictated by my girlfriends opinion :eek: and her standards say win on this one

[Cry For Justice]

I wept tears of joy. I can make a fun, working together, Black Marvel Family.

[dariusq]

There is no way I'd pay 300pts for that dial. He's going to get out actioned and annihilated. 100pts looks a little fragile but it can be worked around. 200pts is just right.

[Manchine]

I have to say I am impressed. =)

[VictorySaber]

...right.... really?

no teal for real?

Yes. Really. top-loaded for 2 clicks with the teleportation evac, shapechange and super-senses, that's FAR easier to just shatter than multiple instances of damage reduction to potentially 1, recurring 5 damage spikes- which may be top-clicks but I do not agree that going from the top 3 clicks on the 300 point dial to top-click of the 200 point dial should warrant a damage increase back to 5. what was wrong with simply maintaining it at 4, and keeping the outwit? And the Lightning Regeneration may as well be points wasted... I just... don't understand why we now must have multiple starting-line figures... it makes me feel like they couldn't be bothered to come up with anything else worthwhile for the figure.

BTW, Funk... there are a lot of things wrong with the world. why not spare me your quip and figure out how to save it? sheesh...

[Thrumble Funk]

BTW, Funk... there are a lot of things wrong with the world. why not spare me your quip and figure out how to save it? sheesh...

Nah, I'll stick with the whole "I have an opinion, I'ma state it" thing, thanks. ;)

[Thrumble Funk]

I just... don't understand why we now must have multiple starting-line figures... it makes me feel like they couldn't be bothered to come up with anything else worthwhile for the figure.

To clarify, 300 pts. standard = no versatility.

300 pts. with different starting points for 100 and 200 pts. = versatility. Three figures in one.

Can't see how that is a bad thing. Like, at all.

::runs off to save the world::

[Chrismcnic]

I'ma agree with Mr. Rollins here. :)

[rorschachparadox]

Yes. Really. top-loaded for 2 clicks with the teleportation evac, shapechange and super-senses, that's FAR easier to just shatter than multiple instances of damage reduction to potentially 1, recurring 5 damage spikes- which may be top-clicks but I do not agree that going from the top 3 clicks on the 300 point dial to top-click of the 200 point dial should warrant a damage increase back to 5. what was wrong with simply maintaining it at 4, and keeping the outwit? And the Lightning Regeneration may as well be points wasted... I just... don't understand why we now must have multiple starting-line figures... it makes me feel like they couldn't be bothered to come up with anything else worthwhile for the figure.

So he has powers that "may as well be points wasted," but he's still more broken than Nightcrawler?

And as top-loaded as Nightcrawler is, it isn't actually the easiest thing in the world to get him off of those top clicks. And that's before you factor in the completely automatic, thematic healing mechanism, which just happens to come packaged with a lot of BCF to coincide with the kidnap. There is really no comparison between the two. One is a dirt-cheap uber min/max piece. The other figure makes you pay for what you want him to do. Claiming a comparison between Black Adam's one evasion (Impervious) and Nightcrawler's three (Stealth, Super Senses, and Shape Change) is a little absurd, IMO.

But hey, you like the piece, you like it. You don't think he's under-costed at all, let alone by a ridiculous amount, you're more than entitled to that opinion. But I personally find it a little far-fetched.
If you think Black Adam is too powerful for his points, then see above. But I find it equally far-fetched.

To clarify, 300 pts. standard = no versatility.

300 pts. with different starting points for 100 and 200 pts. = versatility. Three figures in one.

Can't see how that is a bad thing. Like, at all.

::runs off to save the world::

You can do eet!

Oh, and QFT.

[Owlman]

Gotta say, I like this dial and the sculpt. This is the first SR that I really think I'm going to want. I love the idea of running him with Osiris and Isis at 100 points.

[UltraMANOS]

Charge is superior for BA for instances where players use kid zoom.

and his damage reducer is genius.

4 or more damage and he reduces it by 3!!! hellz yeah! and he is immune to being countered except for his regular outwit?? Can it get any better??

I am already envisioning him being paired up with my dearest Isis and her brother Osiris or alternating teaming with Ursa.

It will simply be a symphony of destruction followed by 'Back in Black!'

[kangtheconquerer]

WAAAAANNNNNTTTTT......... (drools slightly, glazed look in eye)

[vamroc]

Charge is superior for BA for instances where players use kid zoom.

and his damage reducer is genius.

4 or more damage and he reduces it by 3!!! hellz yeah! and he is immune to being countered except for his regular outwit?? Can it get any better??

I am already envisioning him being paired up with my dearest Isis and her brother Osiris or alternating teaming with Ursa.

It will simply be a symphony of destruction followed by 'Back in Black!'

Or "Out of The Blue and Into The Black" ( :laugh: What Black Adam punching out Superman looks like)
"Paint It Black, no colors anymore I want them painted black, black as night black as dawn, I don't want to see the Sun anymore paint it black"

[Superfly]

i really dig that lightning regeneration power....very thematic/accurate...but overall seems a bit too strong...that "can't be outwitted" nonsense reeks of fanboy-ism...

I disagree. Besides, the two powers you mention are only on two clicks (out of eleven) on the dial. Not too strong, just something fun and different.


this black adam looks like the final nail in the coffin of the cap set...it's going to be over and forgotten quickly...which is a shame....

I have no idea why you would say that, and I'll have to disagree, again. :ermm:

[Superfly]

I would of loved indomitable but now he qualifies for swellhead! 21 defense for the win!

Wrong on two counts, here, friend. The feat is Shellhead, not swell head. Swell head would not be an appropriate topic of conversation on these boards, anyway, unless you're somehow refering to M.O.D.O.K. :speechles

Shellhead, alone, won't give him a 21 Defense. After taking a second action token and push damage, he'll drop to an 18 Defense. With Shellhead attached to him, he'll then be at a 20, not 21.

[Superfly]

They really need to stop letting the World Champions design figures. These figs are just getting rediculous.

Ignore this comment. This figure is well-balanced for the point costs, seems pretty comic accurate, and is in no way game breaking. Nice job on the design! ;)

[Superfly]

dumbest dial I have ever seen.............

:rolleyes:

Gotta watch out for those drive-by trolls! They'll take a wild pot shot at you and then speed away.

[bludd72]

I really don't get people's standards sometimes.

i can see what you mean Thrumble Funk, but in all fairness i think the reason the quoted poster was displeased is because of the 'extra fig' in the sculpt. I mean, kudos to George for getting in there! :grin:
but at the same time, when i see this sculpt (which i really dig btw) i still think adding another character to them takes away from the person the dial is representing. I look at Apoc and having Jean and Scott in there may look cool as a statue, but weird as a clix....imho. just like Bane. having Bats in the sculpt kinda ruins it for me.
this one, same thing. BUT i will say, with tons of hypocritical pride, that if i were to win, then y'all would be seeing Spidey carrying ME ala Amazing Fantasy 15....so i get it.
congrats George on a really cool concept and a beast of a piece! i can't wait to abduct it with Bencrawler :devious:
heh....jk man, i really am excited to try this mofo out!

[mormos]

Are you ####ing kidding me?! This piece is the most blatant idiotic fanboy nonsense I have ever seen. This is in no way black adam. It is a sham, not a shazam.

[UltraMANOS]

I truly dont get the haters feedback.

Please go back to complaining about nightcrawler, or winter soldier, or cosmic spidey.

On that note this rendition of Black Adam is for shazam fans what cosmic spidey is for spidey and or powercosmic fans.

What doesnt allow Black Adam be absolutley accurate is they didnt give him the dual membership of Mystics/JSA and maybe indomitable or a simple trait that read " Black Adam never takes pushing damage".

I still think it is an awesome piece, as every piece in this set ought to be.

[charlesdward]

I approve most wholeheartedly.
My best case wish scenario was an accurate, playable 200-point BA able to either stand alone or team with Isis/Osiris.
Not only did we get exactly that - in a perfect representation - we have the additional flexibility of playing him as a svelte, 100 point rival to the classic R SHAZAM!, the aforementioned 200-pointer, or as the mighty standalone 300-point beatstick he deserves to be.
The only downsides are the SR status ( I will have one - it'll just cost more), and my own not being a fan of additional characters on sculpts.
Although the idea of including the champ on the sculpt is cool (brings to mind the M:tG tradition of doing so)... how much cooler would it be to have just given BA Massu's face? :cool:
But I didn't expect any sculpt to rival the awesome Crisis version, tbh, so that's a nitpick that doesn't remotely affect my desire to own and play the sweet spit out of this figure.

[gambitrmp]

Nice indeed! I'm happy with the old SR so I don't need to spend the money on him which is always good. I like SR's I don't need.

That said I'm loving the trend of REV type options in a single clix. Superman, Black Adam, Sentinel Mark V, Frost Giant, Captain America Gravity feed generics. Very cool stuff!

I think this also confirms that sealed events for this set could be rather interesting 1-1, 1-2, etc matchups if they keep it to 300.

[CustomCreator]

I haven't read all 170 replies, so forgive me if this point has already been raised.

Why, oh why, are all the really cool Black Adam sculpts (that would be so great for customizing) ultra-hard-to-get SuperRares?!?!?!? The only Black Adam sculpt readily available to modders is "Rockettes Black Adam" from Legacy or whatever set it was.

[vamroc]

... Wonderful. I do not see how black adam has ever shown any degree of wisdom from zehuti that would warrant outwit... perplex, maybe, but NEVER outwit. an SP that grants Imperv, and can cut damage by 3 if damage dealt is 4 or greater... AND prevents outwitting of any of his other powers, save Outwit...and regeneration with damage potential. I don't care if there are only 2 clicks of it on the dial, why the hell not just give him the damn quintessence TA since we're going for borken-ness?

Ben's Nightcrawler was balanced.

This drivel has not only a barely passable sculpt, imo, but a dial and trait that really... makes me nauseous. I'll stick with my 300 point superman... and also hope that we see a flashpoint-era Shazam to beat the hell out of this monkey.
Fifty-Two
During Week 10, Black Adam creates an international metahuman coalition against the perceived metahuman supremacy of the United States. He gets members of the Great Ten of China, and Russia's Rocket Reds among others, to join the coalition. Adrianna begins to counsel him and stays as a refugee. She makes him a ruler who shows more mercy and commits charitable acts.

Justice Society of America #16 (2008), hiding in the tomb of Isis and Osiris and killing potential looters, along with sleeping in the coffins. He reveals through narration that the whole meaning of his power transfer to Mary Marvel was the hope that her innocence would eventually force Mary into surrendering back his power to him. Black Adam then journeys to the Rock of Eternity and battles Billy Batson (now Marvel, the wizard of the Rock of Eternity, rather than Captain Marvel), using the same scarab necklace that once imprisoned him to strip Billy of his powers with help from Isis sending lightning at Marvel and use them to take control of the Rock of Eternity.

Hell is Here would be better off being regular charge and giving some of those points back. With 0 range the only way you'd want to double token and push is if you KO (or close) someone strong, so not being able to use Super Strength is a negative. And since he's not Quintessence or Indomitable he pushes to take the double power action (and there is only one time in his dial you would be okay to push from Hell is Here to the next click, but then you lose protection from outwit so maybe not even there), and good luck staying there when the enemy team gets to hit you two turns straight with everything. First click he'd be pushing from a 19 def 5 dmg to 18/4. Regen sucks with min heal 0, and since he's not Q/Indom it's almost pointless. At first I thought his powers couldn't be countered except outwit for his whole dial, now I see it's just on two clicks. :( :( :(
He seems good at 100, weak at 200, really weak at 300.
I would SOOOOOO play him at 300 with Auto-Regeneration & Nico Minoru alternating between Perplex, Prob Control, and Support (if needed) for 397 points of AWESOME. So Black Adam pushs from a Nineteen to an Eighteen then Nico Minoru uses Support to heal Black Adam back to his top click rinse & repeat. Adams is a BEAST I like him better than All Star Superman and to be able to play him at 100 + the 140 Shazam + Vet Dr. Midnight and be theme IS PURE EVIL.

[y2schwabe]

Well, George. NICE figure, and well built! And I love the idea of bring back REV on one dial. :D

Enjoy the fruits of your labor.

[Soferiel]

Thor and Loki, where are you???, I'm scared...!! I won't know what else to wait.... it's just too much...

[Rurouni KJS]

I truly dont get the haters feedback.
I haven't read much of this thread, but I'm with you on this. This is a well-designed piece that, while very powerful, doesn't come close to the point-and-click abusiveness we've seen in others.


He ignores Outwit, yes. But he does it for only a click at a time, so he's not at all push-friendly. It's also a great balance that his Outwit is vulnerable.
His ability to move/attack is somewhat limited. To get the full-speed Charge, he's got to push off his bestbeast clicks.
Regeneration is its own limitation.
His Isis/Osiris aid doesn't help them until they've taken damage...and doesn't help him at all.
And it has to be mentioned again: he's not Indomitable and simply can't act as freely as those who are. That's such an important balance.

Basically, every element of him that could be abused is checked in some way. Compare with HoT Cap, Bencrawler or Cosmic Spidey, whose unprecendented abilities to affect enemies through any sort of terrain make them completely low-risk, high-reward pieces.

[Massu]

Hey everyone! Just want to jump on here real quick and say "Thank You" for all the love Support, congrats...and the hate! I appreciate everyones comments. I was stressing the f*** out prior to the preview. And from what I read players approve! So That really puts me at ease...sighhh... Have fun with Black Adam, go kick butt and get your butt kicked playing him!
*When I say "Villain" you say Clix!

-BTW
I'm working with Wizkids and ClixCast about an in depth interview about the design process! So stay tuned!

-Massu

[gerald]

he can be used at 295 points with isis and osiris that's pretty sick

[masterprotoss23]

Hey everyone! Just want to jump on here real quick and say "Thank You" for all the love Support, congrats...and the hate! I appreciate everyones comments. I was stressing the f*** out prior to the preview. And from what I read players approve! So That really puts me at ease...sighhh... Have fun with Black Adam, go kick butt and get your butt kicked playing him!
*When I say "Villain" you say Clix!

-BTW
I'm working with Wizkids and ClixCast about an in depth interview about the design process! So stay tuned!

-Massu

As I said in the other thread, this is the Black Adam I've been waiting for ever since I started playing the game. The background in the character, the sculpt, the powers and point levels, everything is just perfect.

Amazing Job and good luck to you at Worlds! Win so you can make another amazing character!

... Wonderful. I do not see how black adam has ever shown any degree of wisdom from zehuti that would warrant outwit... perplex, maybe, but NEVER outwit. an SP that grants Imperv, and can cut damage by 3 if damage dealt is 4 or greater... AND prevents outwitting of any of his other powers, save Outwit...and regeneration with damage potential. I don't care if there are only 2 clicks of it on the dial, why the hell not just give him the damn quintessence TA since we're going for borken-ness?

Ben's Nightcrawler was balanced.

This drivel has not only a barely passable sculpt, imo, but a dial and trait that really... makes me nauseous. I'll stick with my 300 point superman... and also hope that we see a flashpoint-era Shazam to beat the hell out of this monkey.

It's posts like these that make me think people like this love to troll hard, or are just stupid.

This is broken in half, and Bencrawler isn't? Are you from Bizzaro world or is your head so far up your ### that you can't see what is right in front of you? Barely passable sculpt? Seriously? This is one of the best sculpts to EVER come out of this game.

Your Superman has all the traits of being broken with none of the downsides. Indom so he can push for years and an even BETTER 150 point dial.

All the players who are complaining about this piece know absolutely NOTHING about Black Adam. Take a week or two and go back read some of the trades Black Adam is in, and you'll see this is a near perfect representation of the character.

[feluwelt]

Hey everyone! Just want to jump on here real quick and say "Thank You" for all the love Support, congrats...and the hate! I appreciate everyones comments. I was stressing the f*** out prior to the preview. And from what I read players approve! So That really puts me at ease...sighhh... Have fun with Black Adam, go kick butt and get your butt kicked playing him!
*When I say "Villain" you say Clix!

-BTW
I'm working with Wizkids and ClixCast about an in depth interview about the design process! So stay tuned!

-Massu

awesome job
I love the figure, but I dont see why he has to push to do the full move charge, that does not seam overpowered to me to have to offset it.
Its nice that he can be played at 100 or 300 thats a lot of fun.
200 I dont see played since its not much better then the 100 to offset the cost.

[tchipley]

I approve of this 100%!

I love that George is on the sculpt!

That is a Black Adam I can work with.

[DarkLordVerjal]

Hey everyone! Just want to jump on here real quick and say "Thank You" for all the love Support, congrats...and the hate! I appreciate everyones comments. I was stressing the f*** out prior to the preview. And from what I read players approve! So That really puts me at ease...sighhh... Have fun with Black Adam, go kick butt and get your butt kicked playing him!
*When I say "Villain" you say Clix!

-BTW
I'm working with Wizkids and ClixCast about an in depth interview about the design process! So stay tuned!

-Massu

It's always a pleasure to hear the designers thoughts on the masterpiece he's just presented. Congrats on your victory using superior skill and team building to win a con, and not some dumbproof S.I.F strategy.

I speak for the majority(and the rational) when I say THANK YOU for this BADA** LONG OVER DO Teth Adam.

[vlad3theimpaler]

I love this thread. We have roughly equal amounts of "zomg! this figured is overpowered and will ruin Heroclix!" and "Blah, this figure sucks and I will never play it!"

You know what I call that? A balanced figure.

[tom730]

I love this thread. We have roughly equal amounts of "zomg! this figured is overpowered and will ruin Heroclix!" and "Blah, this figure sucks and I will never play it!"

You know what I call that? A balanced figure.

Amen to that!
The best thing about it to me is the 3 starting lines on the dial! I really love that - like getting an REV in one!
I'm not a fan of the new trend toward "diorama sculpts" but in this case I think it makes it very unique and memorable, especially for the winner/designer!
Also not a real huge fan of Black Adam to begin with, but love the JSA so you take the good with the bad I guess - literally in his case!
Overall a B+/A- as far as I'm concerned, with the very good far outweighing the "less good!":)

[BrayasTheSpider]

Ben's Nightcrawler was balanced.



Are you ####ing high?

[Superfly]

Hey everyone! Just want to jump on here real quick and say "Thank You" for all the love Support, congrats...and the hate! I appreciate everyones comments. I was stressing the f*** out prior to the preview. And from what I read players approve! So That really puts me at ease...sighhh... Have fun with Black Adam, go kick butt and get your butt kicked playing him!
*When I say "Villain" you say Clix!

-BTW
I'm working with Wizkids and ClixCast about an in depth interview about the design process! So stay tuned!

-Massu

I look forward to reading this. Nice job on creating a fun, powerful, balanced, and desireable character!

[speedy92286]

Hey everyone! Just want to jump on here real quick and say "Thank You" for all the love Support, congrats...and the hate! I appreciate everyones comments. I was stressing the f*** out prior to the preview. And from what I read players approve! So That really puts me at ease...sighhh... Have fun with Black Adam, go kick butt and get your butt kicked playing him!
*When I say "Villain" you say Clix!

-BTW
I'm working with Wizkids and ClixCast about an in depth interview about the design process! So stay tuned!

-Massu

Congratulations, first of all. You made a dial that makes me want to pick up some trades on him. I know the character and from what I've seen and read I love him, but I really want to find a little more about where his 300 point cost comes from. I am more of a guy who uses characters I know, but sometimes a fun dial makes me want to learn the character while using him.

I also love the REV dial going on. What made you think of that anyway? I am sure it will be covered in the interview, but that surprised me. I thought it would have been like the Superman dial with 2 costs, but three?! Creative and awesome.

Laugh at the haters and thank the supporters while you win another Championship with yourself hanging from Black Adam's grip!

[theemaxx52ad]

Awesome character, great sculpt. Yes slightly fanboyish but also finally powerful enough to call WWIII Black Adam.

[larthosgrr8]

sighhh... Have fun with Black Adam, go kick butt and get your butt kicked playing him!
*When I say "Villain" you say Clix!

-BTW
I'm working with Wizkids and ClixCast about an in depth interview about the design process! So stay tuned!

-Massu

QFT!! i can't WAIT to hear why you decided he didn't need indom at 300 points. i'd also like to know why you gave him a power that would push him off his BEST click! this will be a very interesting interview,can't wait
!:devious:

[WestCoastAvengers]

I really like the 3 point values. They should make more figures like this in the future.

[Ruiz619]

I have to agree black adam without indomitable kinda hurts his playability however with all of his special powers he is a force to be reckoned with

[HD7619]

To Beast..hell yea it's gonna be powerful!! Darkseid and Imperiex are also Super Rares. also the Reign oof the Supermen are in this. Eradicator and a new Son of Darkseid Supes..with a sword!!

[TODDRUSSELL]

Lighning regeneration= friggin awesome

[BlueNocturne]

-BTW
I'm working with Wizkids and ClixCast about an in depth interview about the design process! So stay tuned!

-Massu

This will ruin the HeroClix podcast ....

[grey_zealot]

I hope that WK takes George's concept further with more characters in the future, eliminating the need for multiple remakes (until retirement).

Agree, whole-heartedly!!
Hope Mr. Massu's inspiration settles the whole "REV versus CUR" debate these forums have seen now and again since AVENGERS.


Need to rep him.
Repeatedly.
Every week until SUPERMAN comes out.

Man, love the new CAP set, but the multi-dial/alternate-starting lines thing could have been used there, in more than just the gravity feed set....

[Stallion9769]

How is this piece NOT "point and shoot"?

[vlad3theimpaler]

How is this piece NOT "point and shoot"?

You have a lot of decisions to make--Do I push off of the amazing defensive clicks to deal damage? Do I use Lightning Regeneration or play hit and run with Hypersonic Speed? Especially at the 300 point level, where he'll be your whole army, you have to choose your actions carefully, or you could end up in a whole heap o' trouble.

[elfholme]

Wow, that is a great dial, and representation of Black Adam, IMO. I have a problem with the sculpt though - why does the digital sculpt face look like Black Adam, but the real sculpt face look like Captain Marvel??? :(

[WhiteLanternCap]

Amazing dial for my favorite DC villain Except for one thing; that movement special is atrocious. Not even full range charge that cancels out super strength and my ability to carry, AND takes 2 tokens? I'm sorry, but for an action that requires 2 tokens, I expect better. Especially on a figure that has HSS. Comparatively, Crisis E-2 Supes has a move special that gives him full range charge as long as he's not carrying an object or character for 1 action token. But given the amazingness of the rest of his dial, I'll just use charge normally and swallow my sour grapes.

[Captain Castle]

The charge SP is dumb, and his trait is dumb


But whatever

[larthosgrr8]

How is this piece NOT "point and shoot"?

because he's a 0 range brick with no hss. he also has to push and get two tokens to get across the board. even when he does, he can't hit as hard as could? i don't think i'll ever play him at 300 points. just a waste. so glad he can be played at different levels. if not he'd be a complete waste of plastic IMO. what were u thinking wizkids, i mean george!?:confused:

[DarkLordVerjal]

In Golden Age, you can always throw Endurance on him... Just sayin'... Still doesn't mean I would ever use the full charge power, 9 times out of 10 I wouldn't find the 4 extra squares worth it.

[Captain Castle]

In Golden Age, you can always throw Endurance on him... Just sayin'... Still doesn't mean I would ever use the full charge power, 9 times out of 10 I wouldn't find the 4 extra squares worth it.

I'd rather just full move, pick up soda machine, then normal charge to push, than do the full move with no ss double action.


I bet they needed him to use a double power action somewhere on the dial.

[DarkLordVerjal]

I agree, which is why I said it wasn't worth it... And, Soda Machine? Nonsense, I want to use a computer! I take no chances when it comes to rolling a dice, minimize my 'luck' as much as possible.

[rorschachparadox]

Hey everyone! Just want to jump on here real quick and say "Thank You" for all the love Support, congrats...and the hate! I appreciate everyones comments. I was stressing the f*** out prior to the preview. And from what I read players approve! So That really puts me at ease...sighhh... Have fun with Black Adam, go kick butt and get your butt kicked playing him!
*When I say "Villain" you say Clix!

-BTW
I'm working with Wizkids and ClixCast about an in depth interview about the design process! So stay tuned!

-Massu

Congrats on the win, and the awesome figure! And as far as an in-depth interview....

This will ruin the HeroClix podcast ....

....we'd love to hear more about your thoughts on the design! I can't wait to play him at all point values!

[vamroc]

Here is a question if I make Black Adam the target of "Werewolf Serum" does the Blades roll follow before or after the +2 from a heavy object since Black Adam also has Super Strength. I know normally it's "Replace then modify" but this is an instance where both actions happen at the same time

[vlad3theimpaler]

Here is a question if I make Black Adam the target of "Werewolf Serum" does the Blades roll follow before or after the +2 from a heavy object since Black Adam also has Super Strength. I know normally it's "Replace then modify" but this is an instance where both actions happen at the same time

If you roll for blades/claws/fangs, your damage value is locked and cannot be modified by the object.

[Captain Castle]

Here is a question if I make Black Adam the target of "Werewolf Serum" does the Blades roll follow before or after the +2 from a heavy object since Black Adam also has Super Strength. I know normally it's "Replace then modify" but this is an instance where both actions happen at the same time

Note to self: werewolf black Adam

[mohenjo]

Why is he painted with lily-white skin? He's from the Middle East. Wasn't he originally supposed to be Egyptian?

[Captain Castle]

Why is he painted with lily-white skin? He's from the Middle East. Wasn't he originally supposed to be Egyptian?

He got Michael Jackson'd