HeroClix Worlds: Top 16

[Typhon]

2011 HeroClix World Championship is well on its way, with the following people making the Top 16 and getting seats to the final day!

<center><table><tr><td>George Massau
Kevin Doelling
Edgar-Daniel Zayas-Trejillio
Daniel Joynes
Alan Mason
Dustin Hall
Jason Williams
Rob Barazzoud</td><td>Patrick Yapjoco
Phillip Hensley
John Rowe
Victor Silva
Ed Arnold-Berkovits
Tim Bold
Matt Long
Michael Reed</td></tr></table></center>
Most notable items right now are that there 6 Metrons and 5 Nightcrawlers being fielded. Deck lists and round-by-round inside the thread.

[Typhon]

Round 1
Rowe v. Williams - Rowe Wins
Rob B. v. Kevin - Rob Wins
Matt v. Ed - Ed Wins
Dustin v. Mike R. - Mike R. Wins
Tim B. V. Dan - Dan Wins
Victor v. Phil - Phil Wins
Alan v. Patrick - Alan Wins
George v. Edgar - George Wins

Round 2
Dan v Alan - Dan wins
Phil v Ed - Phil wins
George v Rob - Rob wins
Mike R. v John R. - John wins
Edgar v Jason - Edgar wins
Dustin v Kevin - Dustin wins
Matt v Tim - Tim wins
Victor v Patrick - Patrick wins

Notable: George Massau, the reigning World Champion, loses to Rob in a roll off! George rolled 5; Rob rolled 6!

Round 3
Seeded 1 v 4, 2 v 3. 4-16 Swiss
Dan v Rob - Dan wins
Phil v John - John wins

Round 4 - Finals
Dan v John - Dan wins

[Typhon]

Kevin Doelling
BB 103 - Diana Prince
75th 10 - Johnny Quick
AA 50 - Metron
Build Total: 288
If I win, I would make: Ghost Rider

John Rowe
AA 50 - Metron
BB 045 - Kid Zoom
WoS 009 - Nurse
Crimson Gem
Build Total: 297
If I win, I would make: Punisher

Jason Williams
SI 100 - Spider-Woman
HoT 022 - Moonstone (Thunderbolt)
BD 004 - Hawkgirl
GSX 012 - Cypher
WoS 035 - J.Jonah Jameson
Mjolnir
Build Total: 298
If I win, I would make: Roland Deshain (The Gunslinger) - The Dark Tower


Dan Joynes
AA 050 Metron - 195 pts.
WoS 004 Nurse - 10 pts.
WoS 047 Nightcrawler 86 pts.
Crimson Gem - 5pts.
Build Total: 296
If I win, I would make: Mr. Sinister

Tim Bold
AA 050 Metron - 195 pts.
SI 104 The Thing - 100 pts.
Crimson Gem - 5pts.
Build Total: 300
If I win, I would make: ???

Phillip Hensley
SI 004 Iron Fist - 70 pts.
WoS 47 Nightcrawler - 86 pts.
HoT 40 Captain America - 72 pts.
WM 14 Mask-Killer - 60 pts.
Yellow Lantern - 5 pts.
Crimson Lantern - 5 pts.
Build Total: 298
If I win, I would make: Iron Man

Patrick Yapjoco
DC75 010 Johnny Quick - 50 pts.
DC75 010 Johnny Quick - 50 pts.
AA 010 Metron - 195 pts.
All-Star Squadron ATA - 4 pts.
Build Total: 299
If I win, I would make: Grifter

Alan Mason
WoS 047 Nightcrawler - 86 pts.
AA 050 Metron - 195 pts.
WoS 004 Nurse - 10 pts.
Crimson Gem
Build Total: 296
If I win, I would make: Batman

Victor Silva
GSX 36 Professor X - 123 pts.
WoS 47 Nightcrawler - 86 pts.
WoS 03 Researcher - 15 pts.
WoS 03 Researcher - 15 pts.
DC75 102 Gleek - 21 pts.
GSX 12 Cypher - 38 pts.
Build Total - 298 pts.
If I win, I would make: Amadeus Cho/Herc Duo

Michael Reed
GSX 12 Cypher - 38 pts.
WoS 35 J.Jonah Jaimeson - 26 pts.
GSX 14 Roulette - 35 pts.
CAP 40 Captain America - 83 pts.
Build Total: 300
If I win, I would make: Thanos

Dustin Hall
SI 13 Lightspeed - 25 pts.
GSX 26 Leech - 35 pts.
CA 47 Dark Anger - 71 pts.
BB 55 Shazam! & Black Adam (Shazam) - 140 pts.
Build Total: 296
If I win, I would make: Blackbelt: Earth X

Edgar-Daniel Zayas-Trujillo
AA 050 Metron - 195 pts.
SI 012 Gee - 40 pts.
GSX 026 Leech - 35 pts.
SI 013 Lightspeed - 25 pts.
Yellow Lantern - 5 pts.
Mjolnir
Build Total: 300
If I win, I would make: Superwoman

[Owlman]

So who out of the top 16 is a member here at hcrealms? I know George is...

[MyLast1up]

GO MASSU!!!!! Any one who is a fan of Black Adam is good in my book.

[Komixfrk75]

OOhhh 6 Metrons and some Nightcrawlers......Same old same old

[Shield001]

Dustin is bluesummers.

[wonderboy8917]

There's a good chance one of the teams is this one:
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150260880438964&set=a.10150258584733964.329860.11068873963&type=1&theater

[stormphoenix]

OOhhh 6 Metrons and some Nightcrawlers......Same old same old

exactly , and isn't anyone concerned about this?

if i wanted (or needed) to prep against the same type of strategies, i'd simply play magic the gathering and be done with it.:rolleyes:

[wonderboy8917]

I tried to warn people...they shoulda played Noh-Varr to PB/PW Metron to dust. :ermm:

[wannafanta321]

So who out of the top 16 is a member here at hcrealms? I know George is...

Patrick is as well.

[stuman6]

Go George! Repeat to put the nay-sayers to rest. Keep the title here in Detroit. No doubt in my mind that you will conquer and have another figure design in the works. Crush 'em buddy!

[Pepsirox08]

I tried to warn people...they shoulda played Noh-Varr to PB/PW Metron to dust. :ermm:

Thorbuster is the way to go... and Dan = Morand

Personally I would have played

Prof. X 123
Researcher x3 45
Nightcrawler 86
JJJ 26
Nurse 10
Yellow Lantern 5
Gem 5
Total 300

even if KZ is on the field, u can move nightcrawler up and outwit/zap him with prof x (12att and 5 Dam)... and Nightcrawler is one tough cookie to hit...

[Owlman]

I tried to warn people...they shoulda played Noh-Varr to PB/PW Metron to dust. :ermm:

That sounds pretty slick. Run two Noh-Varrs, a Nurse, and maybe a yellow lantern. Metron and Nightcrawler would probably have a much tougher time of it.

[IamCurtis]

exactly , and isn't anyone concerned about this?

if i wanted (or needed) to prep against the same type of strategies, i'd simply play magic the gathering and be done with it.:rolleyes:

BEST QUOTE EVER

[Komixfrk75]

exactly , and isn't anyone concerned about this?

if i wanted (or needed) to prep against the same type of strategies, i'd simply play magic the gathering and be done with it.:rolleyes:



Me personally as soon a figure either wins or makes it to the top 6 they shouldn't be allowed....Make people play different figures........

[Komixfrk75]

Go George! Repeat to put the nay-sayers to rest. Keep the title here in Detroit. No doubt in my mind that you will conquer and have another figure design in the works. Crush 'em buddy!

So he can make another Black Adam....screw that......

[wonderboy8917]

There's been confirmation that George Massau (last year's champ) team is:

White Lantern Flash 138
Roulette 35
Bullseye 117
ATA Thunderbolts 8
Total = 298

Don't know if he's using any 0 point special objects or not.

[HypersonicHero27]

WL flash, Thunderbolted Bullseye, and Roulette.

This is the exact team I came up with back in April and would have played had I been able to go to Gencon..

Therefore i hope this team, takes it down!

[Morand]

George is out. He lost a roll off in a game that featured one attack

[Jerry_Damage01]

Was it single elimination?

[Honorable1]

Metron will be retired before next years Worlds anyway.

[Komixfrk75]

There's been confirmation that George Massau (last year's champ) team is:

White Lantern Flash 138
Roulette 35
Bullseye 117
ATA Thunderbolts 8
Total = 298

Don't know if he's using any 0 point special objects or not.

Ohh something new.....What I have never understood about these teams though is why it's usually just one or two figures.....At 300 points u can usually have at least 4 figures.....

[wonderboy8917]

George is out. He lost a roll off in a game that featured one attack

OMG. Seriously? That's a sad state of affairs for our game to have it be that passive. Grow some ballz people :rolleyes:

[HypersonicHero27]

George is out. He lost a roll off in a game that featured one attack


WTF...

Let me guess he played the Metron/kid zoom team

Seriously a roll off?!!?!

Thats a pretty weak way to decide who might end up being a National Champ.

[Owlman]

Ohh something new.....What I have never understood about these teams though is why it's usually just one or two figures.....At 300 points u can usually have at least 4 figures.....

Which figures would you consider running together if you were aiming to have 4 or more? Just wondering, I love hearing team builds and strategies...

[IamCurtis]

Man so do have any updates at all? I am uber excited for this and next year I will be Indy bound for sure!!!!!

[hclixinarcadia]

Anyone know what Patrick (spawn10) played? Alan=Molaram right? If so, looks like that was a rematch of Wondercon wasn't it?

[exodus147]

George is from Detroit? That's cool I'm in Windsor we got a good number of players over here.

[rbbum]

Go bluesummers!

[Komixfrk75]

George is out. He lost a roll off in a game that featured one attack

How in the hell is this possible.....Did he just give up

[Jerry_Damage01]

How in the hell is this possible.....Did he just give up

My guess is that both were being very very very cautious.

[wonderboy8917]

How in the hell is this possible.....Did he just give up

It's called two players maneuvering for 50 minutes straight. I've seen it happen every now and then and it's no fun for either player. :ermm:

[jabarryto]

My guess is that both were being very very very cautious.

if he faced a kid zoom team and the other guy 'turtled' it's possible.

i've played games where nobody could hit and the winner won by killing a pog - but never played one where nobody made an attack.

[SlayerOfAres]

My guess is that both were being very very very cautious.

If he played against KZ, he might have had issues keeping up so to speak.....

[Saint Evil]

There's been confirmation that George Massau (last year's champ) team is:

White Lantern Flash 138
Roulette 35
Bullseye 117
ATA Thunderbolts 8
Total = 298

Don't know if he's using any 0 point special objects or not.


Not a very impressive team

[megamanfan108]

I lost to patrick in the semi's for todays spot. I hope he wins, then I wont beat myself up about it.

Edit: just saw he lost his first round after I posted. ::tear::

[Cloo41]

GO ALAN!!! Bring it home to the BAY! Make everyone forget about last year!!!!

[Komixfrk75]

Which figures would you consider running together if you were aiming to have 4 or more? Just wondering, I love hearing team builds and strategies...


Couple years back I was planning on using this to be honest..:it's a solider team :



Captain America 72
Captain America 72
Parademon Grunt 33
Parademon Grunt 33
Captain Metropolis 40
Warlord 50

300



You have a ton of options and alot pieces that could tie up a team with only 3 figures on it....

[Owlman]

If he played against KZ, he might have had issues keeping up so to speak.....

If he played against Zoomtron, I'm surprised he wasn't able to use Bullseye to hit Zoom off of the Stop! power and let WL Flash become a move-and-attack monster again.



Edit: Komix, I like that team. If you can keep people from getting to the the three Captains, I could see it ripping some teams apart.

[weaponizedsoul]

It's called two players maneuvering for 50 minutes straight. I've seen it happen every now and then and it's no fun for either player. :ermm:

THIS is what's wrong with heroclix today. Both players should have taken a loss.

[veritas610349]

if he faced a kid zoom team and the other guy 'turtled' it's possible.

i've played games where nobody could hit and the winner won by killing a pog - but never played one where nobody made an attack.

RENARD is there and he just told me that he did not see a single Kid Zoom in the top 16 teams. I think they were just playing it safe and I would say that the the champ did not have map choice.

[stormphoenix]

Me personally as soon a figure either wins or makes it to the top 6 they shouldn't be allowed....Make people play different figures........

i agree with this , actually.
but, i think the bigger issue is , winner designed figures, i'm going to be interested to see what player designed piece gets made, i firmly believe however, this rule should be enforced:

the Winner of and designed piece will be obligated to design a figure no less that 160 points. period. that would stop the macro power creep figure design.
:a-sharpshooter:

[jenna7391]

Zoom could have just been hidden very well.

[SlayerOfAres]

If he played against Zoomtron, I'm surprised he wasn't able to use Bullseye to hit Zoom off of the Stop! power and let WL Flash become a move-and-attack monster again.



Edit: Komix, I like that team. If you can keep people from getting to the the three Captains, I could see it ripping some teams apart.

Having a metron in between you and kz makes it alot harder to get to kz depending on the map.

[Pepsirox08]

i agree with this , actually.
but, i think the bigger issue is , winner designed figures, i'm going to be interested to see what player designed piece gets made, i firmly believe however, this rule should be enforced:

the Winner of and designed piece will be obligated to design a figure no less that 160 points. period. that would stop the macro power creep figure design.
:a-sharpshooter:

I would make a kickass Adam West "Batman" in the old school costume, and I would have the sculpt actually look like a Halloween costume!! no clue on dial...

[stormphoenix]

THIS is what's wrong with heroclix today. Both players should have taken a loss.

no, they both should have taken a loss with ZERO points. that would solve that issue issue once and for all.
:rolleyes:

[Quebbster]

How appropriate since George thought Rob was his toughest competitor last year. :)

[HypersonicHero27]

If he played against Zoomtron, I'm surprised he wasn't able to use Bullseye to hit Zoom off of the Stop! power and let WL Flash become a move-and-attack monster again.



Edit: Komix, I like that team. If you can keep people from getting to the the three Captains, I could see it ripping some teams apart.


My Guess is that the guy with Kid Zoom just had him completely hiding and or running away.. and Bullseye just couldnt get in position to hit kid zoom... Because of this kid flash and bullseye were probably running away from metron the entire time while trying to track down kid zoom..

It probably resembled a game of Tag lol..

[Jerry_Damage01]

For what it's worth, Realmworx has a picture of a Metron and Kid Zoom team that someone was playing today, so there should have been at least 1 out there.

[SlayerOfAres]

My Guess is that the guy with Kid Zoom just had him completely hiding and or running away.. and Bullseye just couldnt get in position to hit kid zoom... Because of this kid flash and bullseye were probably running away from metron the entire time while trying to track down kid zoom..

It probably resembled a game of Tag lol..

I was thinking scooby doo...

[SlayerOfAres]

no, they both should have taken a loss with ZERO points. that would solve that issue issue once and for all.
:rolleyes:

Sweet so if your opponant realizes he will lose, he will run around and avoid combat all game to make it so both players lose.... Sounds fair and well balanced to me.

[Owlman]

Having a metron in between you and kz makes it alot harder to get to kz depending on the map.

That's true. Still, with Flash's TK Bullseye definitely has maneuvering options. Shame that the match wasn't very exciting.

[Suicidal Tendencies]

How can you call yourself a top contender and be too scared to make and attack? No matter what you were playing against, he should have been able to kill off that kid zoom, if this is what he played against.

Have WL Flash Tk Bullseye the 8 squares then shoot passed Metron with his sharpshooter ability and hope for a hit on Kid Zoom. Depending if Metron is able to heal, have Flash push to run in for the kill or a heavy hit on Metron, whichever you wish. I expected a lot more from last years champion.

[rowdyoctopus]

I've played games that ended up being all about positioning and neither person got a chance for many attacks. Twice I have played one guy at my venue where either no one KO'd anyone, or someone got a small support piece worth less than 30 pts.

Actually, the one week that neither of us got any victory points he played someone else where the same thing happened.

[veritas610349]

How can you call yourself a top contender and be too scared to make and attack? No matter what you were playing against, he should have been able to kill off that kid zoom, if this is what he played against.

Have WL Flash Tk Bullseye the 8 squares then shoot passed Metron with his sharpshooter ability and hope for a hit on Kid Zoom. Depending if Metron is able to heal, have Flash push to run in for the kill or a heavy hit on Metron, whichever you wish. I expected a lot more from last years champion.

If he did play against a kid zoom team then I think yes, he should have had a better shot at winning or at least killing zoom with bullseye but i'm sure there was something that stood in his way like not having map choice or outwit and he would have had to shoot KZ for 4 damage or twice to get him off the special power.

[wonderboy8917]

Anyone know the name of the guy who took 2nd place last year vs George? Is he in the top 16 this year?

[spike1138]

I've played games that ended up being all about positioning and neither person got a chance for many attacks.

Same here. I don't think of Rob and George's match as a case where one or both players are "scared to make an attack."

[Jerry_Damage01]

Same here. I don't think of Rob and George's match as a case where one or both players are "scared to make an attack."

Agreed. I think more of positioning and if Massu lost map, he may have never got a chance to look at Kid Zoom, or only got one good look at him.

[bonkers1978]

Anyone know the name of the guy who took 2nd place last year vs George? Is he in the top 16 this year?


Alan Mason, Molaram on HcRealms.

[Suicidal Tendencies]

Both teams could have been hurt by the first attack, but the Metron team would have had the better chance at first attack, having the ability to push without damage, but the WL Flash and Bullseye had the prob as well as potential to do more damage, so the first attack made and then missing would have been devastating to that player, so I would definitely say they were to worried to make the first move, thats why they ran around in circles.

[Gentlegamer]

<center><table><tbody><tr><td>George Massau
Kevin Doelling
Edgar-Daniel Zayas-Trejillio
Daniel Joynes
Alan Mason
Dustin Hall
Jason Williams
Rob Barazzoud</td><td>Patrick Yapjoco
Phillip Hensley
John Rowe
Victor Silva
Ed Arnold-Berkowitz
Tim Bold
Matt Long
Michael Reed</td></tr></tbody></table></center>
Which one of these guys is VGA D1sc1PL3?

[gudda]

People playing at this level are playing the system , not the game. To them its numbers , the decorative piece on the dial of numbers means nothing. I prefer the GAME of super hero combat , but thats why I do not play at this level.

I do think play testers should not be able to complete at worlds though as they have an unfair advantage of spending alot more time with the dials then a non-playtester.

[weaponizedsoul]

Sweet so if your opponant realizes he will lose, he will run around and avoid combat all game to make it so both players lose.... Sounds fair and well balanced to me.

why would anyone want to take a loss on purpose?

[Jerry_Damage01]

Which one of these guys is VGA D1sc1PL3?

LOL! Rep for that one.

[Komixfrk75]

Both teams could have been hurt by the first attack, but the Metron team would have had the better chance at first attack, having the ability to push without damage, but the WL Flash and Bullseye had the prob as well as potential to do more damage, so the first attack made and then missing would have been devastating to that player, so I would definitely say they were to worried to make the first move, thats why they ran around in circles.

Either way it's not how this game should be played....

[Suicidal Tendencies]

People playing at this level are playing the system , not the game. To them its numbers , the decorative piece on the dial of numbers means nothing. I prefer the GAME of super hero combat , but thats why I do not play at this level.

I do think play testers should not be able to complete at worlds though as they have an unfair advantage of spending alot more time with the dials then a non-playtester.

Who is a playtester?

[SlayerOfAres]

why would anyone want to take a loss on purpose?

If you have no chance to win, why wouuld you let your opponent win?

[spider_ham]

Overall, a lack of theme could break your team. I'd approach the finals like a standard game, having as much fun as possible. Winning would be icing on the cake; simply making the Top 16 would be enough. :)

At this level of play, stalling or jockeying for prime position actually puts you at a disadvantage. I would have moved Flash as close as possible to Metron, taxiing Bullseye, and placed him within striking distance. Metron then has two options: push to attack and risk being KO'd, or running away.

[jenna7391]

I just though of something. Bullseye is a sharper shooter and with Flash's TK there should have been no way Kid Zoom could have hidden.

[rowdyoctopus]

How can you call yourself a top contender and be too scared to make and attack? No matter what you were playing against, he should have been able to kill off that kid zoom, if this is what he played against.

Have WL Flash Tk Bullseye the 8 squares then shoot passed Metron with his sharpshooter ability and hope for a hit on Kid Zoom. Depending if Metron is able to heal, have Flash push to run in for the kill or a heavy hit on Metron, whichever you wish. I expected a lot more from last years champion.

The problem is, that leaves Bullseye open to an attack from Metron. Plus, without a crit hit, Bullseye can't take Kid Zoom off his STOP power. On top of that, if I'm playing Kid Zoom and Whie Lantern Flash is across the map, Kid Zoom is sitting in a corner, behind a wall, next to the Nurse.

Lets say Bullseye could get to Kid Zoom like you suggest. Kid Zoom isn't knocked off his Stop power (Bullseye is doing 4 damage with Flash's perplex), and now Metron gets to attack Bullseye. Assuming Kid Zoom moves out of range of Bullseye, now what? Bullseye is now down 4-5 clicks, taking 1 more attack from Metron to finish him off.

The entire game would have been cat and mouse with both sides trying to get into position to do damage without getting hit back.

[Owlman]

Both teams could have been hurt by the first attack, but the Metron team would have had the better chance at first attack, having the ability to push without damage, but the WL Flash and Bullseye had the prob as well as potential to do more damage, so the first attack made and then missing would have been devastating to that player, so I would definitely say they were to worried to make the first move, thats why they ran around in circles.

How exactly would the Metron team have the better chance at first attack? George's team had TK and Bullseye's running shot and 10 range compared to Metron's 8 range.

[Suicidal Tendencies]

Yea, and then bullseye could have used batman to give him stealth, so he couldn't be prob controlled. 12 attack to a 18 with super senses, he has his own prob with roulette, he just has to hope for his opponent to miss the super senses.

[weaponizedsoul]

If you have no chance to win, why wouuld you let your opponent win?

{People USUALLY come to that realization after they've lost some figs on the board or at least have taken damage. I hardly think anyone wants to play a 50 minute game to take a loss on purpose.

[Owlman]

The problem is, that leaves Bullseye open to an attack from Metron. Plus, without a crit hit, Bullseye can't take Kid Zoom off his STOP power. On top of that, if I'm playing Kid Zoom and Whie Lantern Flash is across the map, Kid Zoom is sitting in a corner, behind a wall, next to the Nurse.

Lets say Bullseye could get to Kid Zoom like you suggest. Kid Zoom isn't knocked off his Stop power (Bullseye is doing 4 damage on a crit), and now Metron gets to attack Bullseye. Assuming Kid Zoom moves out of range of Bullseye, now what? Bullseye is now down 4-5 clicks, taking 1 more attack from Metron to finish him off.

The entire game would have been cat and mouse with both sides trying to get into position to do damage without getting hit back.

Bullseye is doing 4 damage because WL Flash has perplex. Also, Bullseye can T-Bolt to mystics so that Metron risks hurting himself when he attacks Bullseye.


Edit: Suicidal Tendencies, a few points: you can't T-Bolt to Batman Ally, and Bullseye doesn't need to worry about super senses thanks to his trait.

[wonderboy8917]

Alan Mason, Molaram on HcRealms.

So that means both players in the top two last year get taken out in round 2 this year. Ironic.

[T Rez]

Either way it's not how this game should be played....

Looks like someone is in need of reading a little article series called Playing to Win: http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win-part-1.html

A quote from the article: "The first step in becoming a top player is the realization that playing to win means doing whatever most increases your chances of winning. The game knows no rules of "honor" or of "cheapness." The game only knows winning and losing."

It was originally written with Street Fighter in mind, but it can actually be applied to not only any game, but even to many situations in real life.

[stormphoenix]

regardless of what we think, gentlemen,the fact remains that a tournament lvl game was decided on a roll off.
what should be done about it?

[jackstar7]

Yea, and then bullseye could have used batman to give him stealth, so he couldn't be prob controlled. 12 attack to a 18 with super senses, he has his own prob with roulette, he just has to hope for his opponent to miss the super senses.

T-bolts can only pick Marvel TAs, so it'd be Ultimates or Mystics in all likelihood.

[Owlman]

regardless of what we think, gentlemen,the fact remains that a tournament lvl game was decided on a roll off.
what should be done about it?

We should complain. It's what keeps the 'realms running.

[hclixinarcadia]

It's really funny how people are passing judgment when they weren't even there to see the action.

It was probably boring to watch but I'm sure it was hella intense for the two that were jockeying for position all game long.

People think you can just take actions and be done with it. But, for top players, they have to think about the consequences of the actions they take and possibly the counterattacks to those consequences.

I do prefer an all-out brawl so I am proposing a shrinking map to force people into the action.

[Suicidal Tendencies]

How exactly would the Metron team have the better chance at first attack? George's team had TK and Bullseye's running shot and 10 range compared to Metron's 8 range.

If the Metron team had the choice of map and could choose who went first then he would be able to choose to pass his turn, White Lantern Flash would then move his characters up towards Metron or into position, then Metron and Kid Zoom could move up towards WL Flash and Bullseye, and outwit TK, then WL Flash has to make the decision to push to try and hurt Metron who has a perplex to up his defense and his own prob.

If WL Flash and Bullseye both push then they are stuck until the following turn to rest, Metron would then shoot and perplex whatever and prob if he misses, Flash and Bullseye would have to rest then Metron Pushes and kills off Bullseye for flash.

If they decide to rest then Metron can still go for the shot.

Metron could still have moved up and then Flash could either carry Bullseye and be open to an attack or just stall like they did. Either way Metron is pushable so he has the potential to deal a killing blow withouth sustaining any damage.

[Jerry_Damage01]

Looks like someone is in need of reading a little article series called Playing to Win: http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win-part-1.html

A quote from the article: "The first step in becoming a top player is the realization that playing to win means doing whatever most increases your chances of winning. The game knows no rules of "honor" or of "cheapness." The game only knows winning and losing."

It was originally written with Street Fighter in mind, but it can actually be applied to not only any game, but even to many situations in real life.

Love that book. Anyone who wants to play at a top level needs to read that.

[Jerry_Damage01]

regardless of what we think, gentlemen,the fact remains that a tournament lvl game was decided on a roll off.
what should be done about it?

Nothing. There are rules in place for if the game ends in a tie and they were followed. End. Of. Story.

[Komixfrk75]

Looks like someone is in need of reading a little article series called Playing to Win: http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win-part-1.html

A quote from the article: "The first step in becoming a top player is the realization that playing to win means doing whatever most increases your chances of winning. The game knows no rules of "honor" or of "cheapness." The game only knows winning and losing."

It was originally written with Street Fighter in mind, but it can actually be applied to not only any game, but even to many situations in real life.




Actually no I haven't read that..........Been playing since MM pretty sure I know how to build teams.....Don't need a article to tell me that....

[Suicidal Tendencies]

T-bolts can only pick Marvel TAs, so it'd be Ultimates or Mystics in all likelihood.

Ultimate X-Men for the plus 1.

[Jerry_Damage01]

Actually no I haven't read that..........Been playing since MM pretty sure I know how to build teams.....Don't need a article to tell me that....

Playing to Win is about how to play at a top level. It doesn't address how to build Heroclix teams per se, only that you should not dismiss figures because they are "cheap" or "cheesy". You play the best figures with the best strategy that give you the best chance of winning.

[spider_ham]

regardless of what we think, gentlemen,the fact remains that a tournament lvl game was decided on a roll off.
what should be done about it?

Nothing. The victor was determined according to official rules (tiebreaker); the environment shouldn't matter.

Personally, I would have awarded the win to the player who took the most risks (making attacks, placing characters adjacent to opponent's characters, etc.).

[SlayerOfAres]

Actually no I haven't read that..........Been playing since MM pretty sure I know how to build teams.....Don't need a article to tell me that....

Theres a reason why the guy that got second last year made a major mistake, its because he thought he knew the game but didnt. Its about having the right mind set to play under pressure and knowing how to prepare mentaly.

[Owlman]

If the Metron team had the choice of map and could choose who went first then he would be able to choose to pass his turn, White Lantern Flash would then move his characters up towards Metron or into position, then Metron and Kid Zoom could move up towards WL Flash and Bullseye, and outwit TK, then WL Flash has to make the decision to push to try and hurt Metron who has a perplex to up his defense and his own prob.
At this point, the advantage would go to Flash/Bullseye. If Metorn is ten squares out from Flash, then Bullseye can shoot at Metron without Metron retaliating. If Metron has moved to within 8 squares so that he can fire at Flash/Bullseye next turn, then both Flash and Bullseye can shoot at Metron. That, or Bullseye can shoot at Metron and Flash can taxi him to safety.

If Metron's player uses Kid Zoom as cover for Metron, Kid Zoom is almost certainly going to be ko'd that turn.


I'm not saying that Bullseye/Flash have a guaranteed win by any stretch, but they definitely have a positioning advantage thanks to Bullseye's range and the the benefit of a 2 v 1 matchup against Metron.

[Skeet181]

My Guess is that the guy with Kid Zoom just had him completely hiding and or running away.. and Bullseye just couldnt get in position to hit kid zoom... Because of this kid flash and bullseye were probably running away from metron the entire time while trying to track down kid zoom..

It probably resembled a game of Tag lol..

Er...f kid zoom. Gang bang Metron with flash and bullseye. He can't take it.

[Space Jawa]

regardless of what we think, gentlemen,the fact remains that a tournament lvl game was decided on a roll off.
what should be done about it?

My first thought is to ask what the teams might have looked like had feats and BFCs been in play. What figures might have been considered if they had access to feats, and what new teams might we have seen once those new figures were brought into mix?

[bill4935]

It's called two players maneuvering for 50 minutes straight. I've seen it happen every now and then and it's no fun for either player. :ermm:


MAPZ R 2 BIG LOL


/posted from my iPhone 9000 with "leetspeek translation" app that won't shut off!

[Skeet181]

I'm serious people. Metron can't hold off these 2 if they swarm.

[jenna7391]

I'm serious people. Metron can't hold off these 2 if they swarm.

He really can not. Bullseye even can do 2 penetrating damage with a light object, though Im not sure if you can running shot and throw an object

[DarkLordVerjal]

That really is a shame a game came down to that. But I don't understand how anyone can make assumptions of how the game went, when all we know is how it ended. What map? Was Rob running from George, or was George running from Rob? How many attacks were made, and by who? Were the attacks probbed, did they avoid damage with SS/IMP, or did they simply miss?

Hopefully Rob or George can shed some light onto how this awful game came to be...

[Skeet181]

My first thought is to ask what the teams might have looked like had feats and BFCs been in play. What figures might have been considered if they had access to feats, and what new teams might we have seen once those new figures were brought into mix?

I can see the vampire feat from HoT being in the mix

[razzed1]

He really can not. Bullseye even can do 2 penetrating damage with a light object, though Im not sure if you can running shot and throw an object

You can run and throw an object, BUT it would only be one penetrating damage and it would leave Bullseye within Metron's 8 range (since range for a thrown object is 8).

Besides that, we all seem to be discussing one match in which all facts are not known. Keep conjecturing.
We still don't know if Mr. Massu's opponent was playing KZ or not, although I deem it likely as well. Sometimes, you have to give props for maneuvering. For all we know, it was the Metron player that was forcing the endless maneuvering.

[voNvinGeLimeR]

...rooting hard for Dan, we've already got a good Punisher.
Mr Sinister well overdue.

[Azrael0626]

Dan won! He is one of my regulars at my venue. I feel like a proud father, lol! :laugh:

[Quasimoto]

A Quasar plus shield specialist team should have beaten metron, or at least thinned them out considerably. I'm puzzled.

[Manchine]

Some people wonder why I hate the whole min/maxing thing.

[jenna7391]

Dont like object deal two damage when thrown?

[tidge]

I'm disappointed that a team with WL Flash (TK, Perplex, 8-range, carry) and Bullseye (10 range) w/ Thunderbolts could not get more than one attack.

There is caution, and there is cowardice. I'm not sure what happened in this game, but somebody wasn't actually trying to play.

The WL Flash and WoS Bullseye are MORE than their first clicks.

[Jerry_Damage01]

I wonder if anyone else would have caught this much flack or if it was just because it was Massu. There were games last year that went to roll offs and nothing was said.

[Lord Iron]

One can make the argument that it is all about min/max at this level. I tend to agree. But at the end of the day, this is the the top event for our hobby. The WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP of Heroclix. I played MTG competitively (Pro Tour level) for a few years and the mechanics are the same. WIN. Yes it may be considered cheap. Yes they might be using 'Broken' pieces. (I consider them effective, not broken.) But those clix are available to anyone with a pair of twenty dollar bills. Congratulations to the winner and everybody that played in the event for that matter.

[WestCoastAvengers]

What map did they play on?

[spike1138]

T-bolts can only pick Marvel TAs, so it'd be Ultimates or Mystics in all likelihood.

Repped. 10/char

[Marshal Law]

"We are the Metrons. Your captain is losing his battle. We would suggest you make whatever memorial arrangements, if any, which are customary in your culture. We believe you have very little time left."

[Hawk]

This is one of my biggest arguments to get away from the 300 pt official build. Either include a range of builds, like weight classes or increase the build to 4 or 500 pts. But just my humble opinion. Games go much quicker at the higher point levels and you can have a much larger array of figs at that level. But again what do I know I just play the stinkin game. LOL

[Puuka]

Micheal Reed = SPAZ the GEEK here.

[Puuka]

He really can not. Bullseye even can do 2 penetrating damage with a light object, though Im not sure if you can running shot and throw an object

Ask CA040 if you Running Shot with an object...

[vlad3theimpaler]

Dont like object deal two damage when thrown?

Yes, but it's not penetrating damage.
Bullseye allows you to deal one penetrating damage to a hit character after a successful attack with an object.

[HypersonicHero27]

One can make the argument that it is all about min/max at this level. I tend to agree. But at the end of the day, this is the the top event for our hobby. The WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP of Heroclix. I played MTG competitively (Pro Tour level) for a few years and the mechanics are the same. WIN. Yes it may be considered cheap. Yes they might be using 'Broken' pieces. (I consider them effective, not broken.) But those clix are available to anyone with a pair of twenty dollar bills. Congratulations to the winner and everybody that played in the event for that matter.

I get what your saying and I partly agree that people should be able to use whatever they want to win.

The problem i have is when one or two pieces are so good that everyone is using them.. I mean come on you dont think its kinda lame that it comes down to metrons against metrons and its like Whose imperv will fail first or who will use PB first and hit.. it almost comes down to luck when it comes down to this..

[Puuka]

regardless of what we think, gentlemen,the fact remains that a tournament lvl game was decided on a roll off.
what should be done about it?

Use bigger dice so the people in the back can see the rolls?

[vlad3theimpaler]

i agree with this , actually.
but, i think the bigger issue is , winner designed figures, i'm going to be interested to see what player designed piece gets made, i firmly believe however, this rule should be enforced:

the Winner of and designed piece will be obligated to design a figure no less that 160 points. period. that would stop the macro power creep figure design.
:a-sharpshooter:
Er, what? Point cost doesn't equal power creep. The ratio of point cost to effectiveness does.
Nightcrawler is 86 points of hyper-efficiency. An arbitrary cap of 160 points would do NOTHING to curb power creep in any conceivable way.

[Lord Iron]

I get what your saying and I partly agree that people should be able to use whatever they want to win.

The problem i have is when one or two pieces are so good that everyone is using them.. I mean come on you dont think its kinda lame that it comes down to metrons against metrons and its like Whose imperv will fail first or who will use PB first and hit.. it almost comes down to luck when it comes down to this..

I agree with you to a point. There is a reason I have only used Cosmic Spider-Man one time playing at home. I don't use Nightcrawler at home unless I'm trying to teach someone a lesson. (Cody...) It just isn't very fun playing like that. But then when I think of what I would play to win Worlds that is a whole different story. For the chance to be able to make Bibbo Bibbowski (Yes, that is who I am going to make when I win next year. Mark it!) I would play whatever the metagame dictated. In this instance it is all about the end result. Winning. People don't go through the effort just to loose. Playing in the basement is different than playing in Worlds.

To summarize, I agree that the lack of diversity makes it kinda lame but competition dictates otherwise. At least Metron should be rotated out of Modern Age next year...

[Surfer13]

Yea, and then bullseye could have used batman to give him stealth, so he couldn't be prob controlled. 12 attack to a 18 with super senses, he has his own prob with roulette, he just has to hope for his opponent to miss the super senses.

You can't T-Bolt the Batman TA.

Furthermore, if you are the active player, then you are not using stealth so a PC using opponent can see you and make you re-roll.

Someone is not up to date on the rules.

Nothing. The victor was determined according to official rules (tiebreaker); the environment shouldn't matter.

Personally, I would have awarded the win to the player who took the most risks (making attacks, placing characters adjacent to opponent's characters, etc.).

How can you say that the rules were followed and then say that you would have given the victory to the player of your choosing?

Maybe you would want to change the rules to such, but I want to be there when you and an opponent play to a stand-still and a judge that wasn't even watching your match gives the victory to the other guy.

RENARD is there and he just told me that he did not see a single Kid Zoom in the top 16 teams. I think they were just playing it safe and I would say that the the champ did not have map choice.

Apparently they didn't look hard enough. We know that there was at least one. :cool:

[Puuka]

How can you call yourself a top contender and be too scared to make and attack? No matter what you were playing against, he should have been able to kill off that kid zoom, if this is what he played against.

Have WL Flash Tk Bullseye the 8 squares then shoot passed Metron with his sharpshooter ability and hope for a hit on Kid Zoom. Depending if Metron is able to heal, have Flash push to run in for the kill or a heavy hit on Metron, whichever you wish. I expected a lot more from last years champion.

Who's to say there were no attacks? Figs could have all been on their last clicks when time was called.

[Telimtor]

Its sad that Captain America as no impact on the tournament (well what ive seen so far) the set just came out, maybe that's the reason!

[Owlman]

Who's to say there were no attacks? Figs could have all been on their last clicks when time was called.

According to someone who watched the game, there was only one attack roll made.

[Typhon]

BEST QUOTE EVER

No, the best quote ever is when Dan won and everyone wanted to shake his hand, he said (and I'm paraprashing here): "sorry my hands are sweaty, but I really need to poop". LOL!

[AUKOS]

Well played.


and a shout out to a fellow Clevelander - Tim Bold.

Good job getting to sunday Tim,


AUKOS

[WestCoastAvengers]

It's a game of heroes.

[drfate98]

Never mind.

[drfate98]

Which one of these guys is VGA D1sc1PL3?

As I understand it, probably two or three of them.

[thanosstar]

OMG. Seriously? That's a sad state of affairs for our game to have it be that passive. Grow some ballz people :rolleyes:

eternal rep to you bro

[Kite-Man]

Hrmm. After reading some of the teams, I have a feeling that my team of Puma x 4 with Not So Special and Vampirism on all of them (+ a Mugger) might not have fared so well..
:laugh:

[Telimtor]

Hrmm. After reading some of the teams, I have a feeling that my team of Puma x 4 with Not So Special and Vampirism on all of them (+ a Mugger) might not have fared so well..
:laugh:

Where can i see the teams?

[Terman8er]

Hrmm. After reading some of the teams, I have a feeling that my team of Puma x 4 with Not So Special and Vampirism on all of them (+ a Mugger) might not have fared so well..
:laugh:

For one thing you would have been DQ'd as this is a Modern Age tournament.

[Rurouni KJS]

This is one of my biggest arguments to get away from the 300 pt official build. Either include a range of builds, like weight classes or increase the build to 4 or 500 pts. But just my humble opinion. Games go much quicker at the higher point levels and you can have a much larger array of figs at that level. But again what do I know I just play the stinkin game. LOLMan, what you smokin'? Games go slower at the high points, not faster. And do you really wanna start seeing Cosmic Spider-Man teams?
I like the weight class idea. Well, the thought of it, anyway.

[AdmiralB]

Agreed, I was surprised to hear there was no affect from CA. Maelstrom and Quasar are monster pieces if used right. Squirrel Girl is so random with Monkey Joe to tie-up.

How to solve this? Hmm...special object that when a countdown expires it explodes and deals a certain amount of damage to everyone (damage equal to countdown?) could also make a nice event dial. Some kind of piece that deals unavoidable damage if no attack is made within a certain number of turns. Or maybe just have the judge change the map so there's nowhere to hide!

[RSIxidor]

Agreed, I was surprised to hear there was no affect from CA. Maelstrom and Quasar are monster pieces if used right. Squirrel Girl is so random with Monkey Joe to tie-up.

How to solve this? Hmm...special object that when a countdown expires it explodes and deals a certain amount of damage to everyone (damage equal to countdown?) could also make a nice event dial. Some kind of piece that deals unavoidable damage if no attack is made within a certain number of turns. Or maybe just have the judge change the map so there's nowhere to hide!

Shock the Turtle.

[spider_ham]

Shock the Turtle.

...and the Krakoa map. ;)

[vlad3theimpaler]

How to solve this?

I'm not convinced that there's a problem that needs solved.

[Prof. Aragorn]

I was kinda rooting for the Thunderbolts or an X-Men team (Yeah Bullseye and Nightcrawler, but at least relatively heroiclix-like enough).

Metron retires next year. Wonder who it's going to be then? Wizard Shazam? Nightcrawler probably still with Bullseye still chasing him.

[rcmk]

<snore> Metron and Nightcrawler + vs... Metron and Nightcrawler +

How boring and predicatable.

[RSIxidor]

<snore> Metron and Nightcrawler + vs... Metron and Nightcrawler +

How boring and predicatable.

Yeah, no ..

It was Metron + Nurse + _______

The blank was either Nightcrawler or Kid Zoom.

[sleeping_giant]

tie is a tie. It happens in baseball all the time. And baseball is as close to purist as you can get. They just go into extra innings. Home team gets the advantage.

I think the game is fine the way it is. If someone doesnt want to lose in a roll off then be more aggressive. Die rolls are never 100%. Even if youve put your character out in the open.

Just pray to your gods he misses and push next turn!

[marvelrach]

I wanna chime in, just to chime in. I play heroclix, quite frankly and obviously, because it reminds me of the battles of chess I had with my best friend when I was younger. Did not always win, also did not always lose, but for the most part every game was fun and challenging. Strategy and the confidence to attack with the caution to fall back. Besides the dice rolls, everything about Heroclix is the same. That said, it kinda bums me out to hear that a game that declares 'this person is the best Heroclix player of the year' all came down to running out of time( this is the conclusion I have come to from the comments on this post, so maybe it came differently). The fact that Metron and Nightcrawler( or as we call them here The Chair and The Elf) were used doesnt bother me. I have beat them and have been defeated using them many times. But 1 attack( or so I have been told, again I'm goin off rumors) just seems, I don't know, bogus. I am not a professional player, I am not the best player in my little circle, but I will say with pride and confidence that I am one of the most exciting and creative players in my circle. If, by some miracle, I made it as far as these fellow Heroclix players( which is in its own right outstanding) I would love to win, no doubt, but I would also like to make a memory, a story, that didn't include the words "and I won because time ran out." But again, I am not a professional player and prolly have no right chiming in. Congrats to champ and heres hoping for awesome Mr. Sinister!

[Terman8er]

I wanna chime in, just to chime in. I play heroclix, quite frankly and obviously, because it reminds me of the battles of chess I had with my best friend when I was younger. Did not always win, also did not always lose, but for the most part every game was fun and challenging. Strategy and the confidence to attack with the caution to fall back. Besides the dice rolls, everything about Heroclix is the same. That said, it kinda bums me out to hear that a game that declares 'this person is the best Heroclix player of the year' all came down to running out of time( this is the conclusion I have come to from the comments on this post, so maybe it came differently). The fact that Metron and Nightcrawler( or as we call them here The Chair and The Elf) were used doesnt bother me. I have beat them and have been defeated using them many times. But 1 attack( or so I have been told, again I'm goin off rumors) just seems, I don't know, bogus. I am not a professional player, I am not the best player in my little circle, but I will say with pride and confidence that I am one of the most exciting and creative players in my circle. If, by some miracle, I made it as far as these fellow Heroclix players( which is in its own right outstanding) I would love to win, no doubt, but I would also like to make a memory, a story, that didn't include the words "and I won because time ran out." But again, I am not a professional player and prolly have no right chiming in. Congrats to champ and heres hoping for awesome Mr. Sinister!

Wall of DOOM-TEXT!

Can a brother buy a "return"?

[razzed1]

I wanna chime in, just to chime in. I play heroclix, quite frankly and obviously, because it reminds me of the battles of chess I had with my best friend when I was younger. Did not always win, also did not always lose, but for the most part every game was fun and challenging. Strategy and the confidence to attack with the caution to fall back. Besides the dice rolls, everything about Heroclix is the same. That said, it kinda bums me out to hear that a game that declares 'this person is the best Heroclix player of the year' all came down to running out of time( this is the conclusion I have come to from the comments on this post, so maybe it came differently). The fact that Metron and Nightcrawler( or as we call them here The Chair and The Elf) were used doesnt bother me. I have beat them and have been defeated using them many times. But 1 attack( or so I have been told, again I'm goin off rumors) just seems, I don't know, bogus. I am not a professional player, I am not the best player in my little circle, but I will say with pride and confidence that I am one of the most exciting and creative players in my circle. If, by some miracle, I made it as far as these fellow Heroclix players( which is in its own right outstanding) I would love to win, no doubt, but I would also like to make a memory, a story, that didn't include the words "and I won because time ran out." But again, I am not a professional player and prolly have no right chiming in. Congrats to champ and heres hoping for awesome Mr. Sinister!

The match in question was in a previous round and had nothing to do with the Championship Game, which did have one team wipe out the other. And actually, after losing his own Metron, Dan's NC took out his opponent's Metron...

[bluesummers]

The amount of speculation and misinformation in this thread is amazing! Welcome to the Realms!

First off, my builds. I'm surprised the others haven't been nabbed by people yet and posted online. I guess people are still traveling...

Saturday, 4-0:
Doppelganger
Ed Nigma
Victor Mancha
Lightspeed
J. Jonah Jameson
300

Sunday, 2-2:
Shazam! & Black Adam (140)
Dirk Anger
Leech
Lightspeed x2
296

Okay, so, lets clarify...
There was obviously a Metron/Kid Zoom team played, it made top 2, but that wasn't the team that George played and went to die roll on. He went to time against Rob, who played something like this:

117 WS042 Bullseye
50 AN010 Johnny Quick
33 BB008 Parademon Grunt
47 GX021 Tarot
37 AA004 The Question
5 GXS101 Crimson Gem of Cyttorak
289

The game was long and intense, with the players positioning, re-positioning, trying a feint, pulling back, until time ran out. Both had Kill-zones set up (on The Lab map) and neither could get in to attack without getting trapped by them. Any attack run would have scored a hit, but then ended up in a dead figure, so neither committed. At the end, yep, die roll. I asked George about this and he said he loved the game, it was intense, thoughtful, and a great play experience.

That said, I don't think there's any problem with the game coming down to a die roll, and I'm not sure why people think there is one. I know its not the most entertaining report to give for spectators, but for the players involved, the game is incredibly intense. Given an infinite expanse of time, things might have gone down differently, but that's just not possible to give.

And for those who would charge in swinging, touting the 'spirit of the game', well, you're more often than not just going to give your opponent the game.

Case in point, Metron & Nightcrawler.

The team thrived off of the notion that people would refuse to let the game go to a die roll. The strategy was to camp in the back corner. Suggestions from the thread here, Bullseye, Noh-Varr, Quasar, they'd have no way of getting a shot off without getting within range of Nightcrawler's HSS. He'd grab the character, pull them back to the bridge, and Metron would get off whatever type of attack worked best, Close combat, ranged combat, maybe a pulse wave.

Mean build, and effective. A lot of Metron builds, sure, but knowing that going in, you just build for it. My Sunday team was Anti-Metron. I didn't win, but I did take 2 of them down, so he's obviously not indestructible.

... anyway, great time and great games through the proceedings. I got to meet some very cool and talented players this year, and I hope to see them again next year. The support and camaraderie around the top 16 table was great. We all asked about each other's venues, cracked jokes; the cold, silent play experience I'd dreaded was nowhere to be found. I can't help but thank Wizkids and all of the other players for making a memorable Gencon.

[HigherCalibur]

Interesting teams. Metron is kind of a "no-duh" choice at high level play. I was considering building something around Noh-Var as a counter. Something like this:
WS038 Noh-Var
WS012 Night Nurse
BB043 Kid Zoom
AA004 The Question
Yellow Lantern object

It's missing TK, but I could just run Gee for super-cheap TK to get Noh-Var out there. When close enough to the Lantern and using his trait, Noh-Var goes up to a 13AV which makes him pretty friggin accurate. Just use Night Nurse's SP on him before he goes out to shoot Metron and he'll be sitting at a 19DV for return attacks.

[bluesummers]

I thought about using a TK/Running Shot/Pulse Wave set up to counter Metron as well. Noh-Var doesn't really work for the combo though, as he is on foot. If Metron gets map roll, and wins bridge, he's going to set up on the top of the elevated terrain, and Noh-Var has to run up the side of the building to get LOF. Its too far. He'll also get stuck in hindering too easily on too many other maps.
You'd have to put on Gee, as you say, for Tk, Thorbuster for the flight, and probably a Blue Lantern so you can get the necessary movement for TK. Now you're Pulse Waving across the map, across any terrain, on turn 2.

[spider_ham]

It almost seems as if Charge, Running Shot and TK would be the most ideal powers to base a team around, given Kid Zoom's dominance.

It would have been interesting if anyone ran a Mongul, Kid Zoom and Question team, with Mjolnir (300), as Phasing/Teleport and HSS would be nerfed; Question could switch between Outwit and Perplex on every turn, with Zoom as a secondary attacker.

Over the weekend, I participated in a casual, "mock World Championship," where everyone had to use their best 300 point Modern Age teams; I used the aforementioned characters.

I came in 3rd (2-1 and 50 points under the 2nd place player), due mostly to bad rolls in the final round. I steamrolled my opponent's Zoomtron team in the first, surprisingly (thanks to Question's Perplex and Mongul's Psychic Blast); barely won on points against a Shazam/Isis/Jason Blood team in the second, due to my opponent making a succession of bad rolls and failing to crack Mongul's Impervious :cool:; and was creamed by a Doppeltron team in last game.

The Doppelganger + Metron combo was brutal: Metron kept making his Leadership rolls, clearing Doppie, and then would be given a power action to grant Doppie a free action after he moved adjacent to my characters. Combined with Outwit, Perplex and PC, Mongul and co. didn't stand a chance.

[spawn10]

Deck List placeholder

From memory, this is what was played (maybe people can fill in the blanks):

1st - Dan Joynes
Metron
Nightcrawler
Nurse
(Crimson Gem)
296

2nd - John Rowe
Metron
Kid Zoom
Nurse
(Crimson Gem)
297

3rd - Rob Barazzoud
Bullseye
Question
Johnny Quick
Tarot
Parademon Grunt
T-Bolts ATA
(Crimson Gem, Black Lantern)
297

4th - Ed Arnold-Berkovits
(Martial Artist Theme)
Nightcrawler
Captain America (smoky feet)
Iron Fist
Mask Killer
(Yellow Lantern, Crimson Gem)
297

5th-8th - Alan Mason
Metron
Nightcrawler
Nurse
(Crimson Gem)
296

5th-8th - Michael Reed
Captain America (peanut base)
Captain America (peanut base)
Roulette
Roulette
Cypher
JJ Jameson
300

5th-8th - George Massu
White Lantern Flash
Bullseye
Roulette
T-Bolts ATA
298

5th-8th - Phillip Hensley
(Martial Artist Theme)
Nightcrawler
Diana Prince LE
Bullseye
The Question
T-Bolts ATA
(Crimson Gem)
296

9th-16th - Dustin Hall
Black Adam/Shazam
Dirk Anger
Leech
Lightspeed
Lightspeed
296

9th-16th - Patrick Yapjoco (me!)
Metron
Johnny Quick
Johnny Quick
All-Star Squadron ATA
299

9th-16th - Tim Bold
Metron
Thing
(Crimson Gem)
300

9th-16th - Victor Silva (all the way from Brazil!)
Professor X
Nightcrawler
Gleek
Cypher
Researcher
Researcher
298

9th-16th - Edgar-Daniel Zayas-Trejillio
Metron
Leech
Gee
Lightspeed
(some Lantern, not sure which color)
300

9th-16th - Jason Williams
Moonstone
Spider-Woman
Hawkgirl
Cypher
JJ Jameson
(Mjolnir, standards)

9th-16th - Kevin Doelling
Metron
Johnny Quick
Diana Prince LE

9th-16th - Matt Long
White Lantern Flash
Deadshot
Jason Blood
J.J. Jameson

I'm not sure who the other names were and I don't remember Matt Long's team (he's the kid who won Fellowship). I lost the first round, won the second round, then decided to drop and watch the Top 4, and record the Final game.

[Buunthar]

Kevin is a member of our group here in St Louis. What's great is he's only been playing clix a few months now. We kinda came up with his team on the fly with our left over figs we brought with us. My other friend Christian was the mind behind the team he ended up playing. His team was this.

Metron
Johnny Quick
Diana Prince LE

He was also going to be playing the Cy Gem but someone stole it from him before he registered his team and no one brought an extra from our group.

[mike_houghton]

I'm not convinced that there's a problem that needs solved.

I agree. What is the problem? That some people positioned? I know darn sure I am not putting my pieces into harms way. I will wait and wait for my opponent to make a mistake at the level. It just so happened neither guy did this time.

[TheRedHood]

exactly , and isn't anyone concerned about this?

if i wanted (or needed) to prep against the same type of strategies, i'd simply play magic the gathering and be done with it.:rolleyes:

LMAO REP on the way

[tpchid]

4th
(Martial Artist Theme)
Nightcrawler
Captain America (smoky feet)
Iron Fist
Mask Killer
(Yellow Lantern, Crimson Gem)
297


4th was Phillip Hensley (HCRealms: IronLantern). He plays at our local venue. As a store that tends to try to play theme teams mostly, we are all proud of his play and that he was one of only two finalists that played a theme team in the final 16.

[haymaker]

From memory, this is what was played (maybe people can fill in the blanks):
I'm not sure who the other names were and I don't remember the last 3 teams (Matt Long and Jason Williams being 2 of them). I lost the first round, won the second round, then decided to drop and watch the Top 4, and record the Final game.

This is Jason Williams - if anyone cares, this was my 'outside the box' team:

Moonstone (T-Bolts to Ultimates or Ultimate X-Men, depending)
Spider-Woman (wild card on my turns...Outwit thru stealth is good I hear)
Hawkgirl
Cypher
J.Jonah Jameson
Mjolnir, Light, Heavy

I really wanted to try Spider-Woman before she retires. Many people don't realize how good she is, or even what her pushing into Agent Provacatuer can do to a team. Element of surprise didn't quite get it done, though. 3-1 Saturday, 1-3 Sunday...11th overall

[Massu]

The amount of speculation and misinformation in this thread is amazing! Welcome to the Realms!

First off, my builds. I'm surprised the others haven't been nabbed by people yet and posted online. I guess people are still traveling...

Saturday, 4-0:
Doppelganger
Ed Nigma
Victor Mancha
Lightspeed
J. Jonah Jameson
300

Sunday, 2-2:
Shazam! & Black Adam (140)
Dirk Anger
Leech
Lightspeed x2
296

Okay, so, lets clarify...
There was obviously a Metron/Kid Zoom team played, it made top 2, but that wasn't the team that George played and went to die roll on. He went to time against Rob, who played something like this:

117 WS042 Bullseye
50 AN010 Johnny Quick
33 BB008 Parademon Grunt
47 GX021 Tarot
37 AA004 The Question
5 GXS101 Crimson Gem of Cyttorak
289

The game was long and intense, with the players positioning, re-positioning, trying a feint, pulling back, until time ran out. Both had Kill-zones set up (on The Lab map) and neither could get in to attack without getting trapped by them. Any attack run would have scored a hit, but then ended up in a dead figure, so neither committed. At the end, yep, die roll. I asked George about this and he said he loved the game, it was intense, thoughtful, and a great play experience.

That said, I don't think there's any problem with the game coming down to a die roll, and I'm not sure why people think there is one. I know its not the most entertaining report to give for spectators, but for the players involved, the game is incredibly intense. Given an infinite expanse of time, things might have gone down differently, but that's just not possible to give.

And for those who would charge in swinging, touting the 'spirit of the game', well, you're more often than not just going to give your opponent the game.

Case in point, Metron & Nightcrawler.

The team thrived off of the notion that people would refuse to let the game go to a die roll. The strategy was to camp in the back corner. Suggestions from the thread here, Bullseye, Noh-Varr, Quasar, they'd have no way of getting a shot off without getting within range of Nightcrawler's HSS. He'd grab the character, pull them back to the bridge, and Metron would get off whatever type of attack worked best, Close combat, ranged combat, maybe a pulse wave.

Mean build, and effective. A lot of Metron builds, sure, but knowing that going in, you just build for it. My Sunday team was Anti-Metron. I didn't win, but I did take 2 of them down, so he's obviously not indestructible.

... anyway, great time and great games through the proceedings. I got to meet some very cool and talented players this year, and I hope to see them again next year. The support and camaraderie around the top 16 table was great. We all asked about each other's venues, cracked jokes; the cold, silent play experience I'd dreaded was nowhere to be found. I can't help but thank Wizkids and all of the other players for making a memorable Gencon.


This is the single most accurate post so far! Great Job!

I loved my game with Rob, it was my favorite and most challanging match all day. I have zero complaints.

-There is also a lot of chatter about Metron and reforming the game and how boring...etc.

In this particular time of clix there is an unusually larger than normal gap between top tier and mid tier characters/teams. Hence all of the Metron teams, Nightcrawler Teams, or NightTron teams. It just so happens they are the most obviously powerful pieces right now. Without a lot of counter pieces who can decisively trump either of them.

However in foresight, with figures heading off to retirement, and the release of new sets that gap I was talking about should shrink and next year you might see more of a variety being played.

-Also wanna give everyone I chatted with over the weeked much love for coming to the big event, I enjoyed every conversation, game and laugh.

-Lastly Congrats to Dan! cant wait for Mr.Sinister!
-Massu.

[RobEng]

exactly , and isn't anyone concerned about this?

if i wanted (or needed) to prep against the same type of strategies, i'd simply play magic the gathering and be done with it.:rolleyes:
Mixing up the builds or the formats might throw in a wrench to the monotony of these tournaments? Possible ideas:
Make the matches after the final 16 play at a different build amount to increase potential for diversity

Require that each round a player has to bring a different team each round and "retire" previously played figs from him/her the rest of the tournament to force these top-notch players to use a variety of figures and/or strategies

[bluesummers]

Require that each round a player has to bring a different team each round and "retire" previously played figs from him/her the rest of the tournament to force these top-notch players to use a variety of figures and/or strategies

We do this at the Vegas invitationals, usually. 4 rounds, 4 teams, no repeated figures among any of the 4. After 4 rounds we break to top 4, and 2 of the teams can be re-used. Knowing when to pick your team and who to use it against becomes a HUGE factor. Timing is everything.

I don't know if it really applies to worlds here, but maybe. Last year it was Sealed, floor, then constructed, so that's basically 3 different formats there, so your team is different each time. Maybe there is something to the idea.

They're really changing up the competitive system this year, maybe we'll see some creative new formats up next Gencon?

[darklogos]

People playing at this level are playing the system , not the game. To them its numbers , the decorative piece on the dial of numbers means nothing. I prefer the GAME of super hero combat , but thats why I do not play at this level.

I do think play testers should not be able to complete at worlds though as they have an unfair advantage of spending alot more time with the dials then a non-playtester.

For real. I didn't know you had mind reading powers to know absolutely that these people don't like the base content and just wanted to play super minis game for a prize that doesn't give you any money whatsoever.

Is there a need for a community leader to toss so much hate on those who play the toughest levels of the game. If we are to really believe that heroclix is CHess with super powers then we have to understand that menta exhaustion and training is part of high level play. You never here a casual player say to a grandmaster that they don't love the game of chess since they play to win and use every edge as possible within the rules to win. Would you hate on a player who castles?

Play testing doesn't let you know what the final product is. I know that from actually play testing several games. If you pay attention for the function of most of the figures the last few years figures fit paradigms/roles more so then anything else. Once you master how to play a type of figure in the game you can play any figure similar to it over time.

[TODDRUSSELL]

Mixing up the builds or the formats might throw in a wrench to the monotony of these tournaments? Possible ideas:
Make the matches after the final 16 play at a different build amount to increase potential for diversity

Require that each round a player has to bring a different team each round and "retire" previously played figs from him/her the rest of the tournament to force these top-notch players to use a variety of figures and/or strategies

If anyone has ever really Mastered a team... you would know how much having to do that would suck... I would like to see a differentiation in point builds from Saturday to Sunday. Besides anyone who was there or who watched it on youtube can tell you how awesome the top 2 game was.

[squirecam]

We do this at the Vegas invitationals, usually. 4 rounds, 4 teams, no repeated figures among any of the 4. After 4 rounds we break to top 4, and 2 of the teams can be re-used. Knowing when to pick your team and who to use it against becomes a HUGE factor. Timing is everything.

I don't know if it really applies to worlds here, but maybe. Last year it was Sealed, floor, then constructed, so that's basically 3 different formats there, so your team is different each time. Maybe there is something to the idea.

They're really changing up the competitive system this year, maybe we'll see some creative new formats up next Gencon?

Yes we do !

And it really does open up strategies. You cant count on one team to get you through.

[mike_houghton]

is there video of the finals? where?

[RobEng]

If anyone has ever really Mastered a team... you would know how much having to do that would suck...
Oh I have seen what contenders do to play in the top constructed event and know how much they practice with their teams. It is just that I would respect a championship that was focused on the mastery of a game rather than mastery of a single team, strategy, or mechanic. Of the tournament legal figures there are about 600 Heroclix figures. Why not recognize the ability to use more of them than the minority of figures that get built around?

[bludd72]

why would anyone want to take a loss on purpose?

exactly what i was thinking.

[mike_houghton]

exactly what i was thinking.

To go to the bottom/middle of a bracket and face weaker competition.

[Lord Iron]

Oh I have seen what contenders do to play in the top constructed event and know how much they practice with their teams. It is just that I would respect a championship that was focused on the mastery of a game rather than mastery of a single team, strategy, or mechanic. Of the tournament legal figures there are about 600 Heroclix figures. Why not recognize the ability to use more of them than the minority of figures that get built around?

Mastery of the game is total mastery of strategy, mechanic, and pieces. The reason people use Metron, Nightcrawler, Bullseye, etc is because they realize that those pieces give them the best odds of winning. Look at the team last years champion was using. WL Flash and Bullseye. That seems like a team built with the idea that the competition was going to be using Nightcrawler and or Metron. Would people be saying the same things if George advanced further rather than rolling a 5? Probably. What if we look at this like a professional sports team. The Miami Heat brought in three of the top free agents in order to win a championship. Is that unfair? I don't think so. People may argue the point but the bottom line is that they are operating according to the rules set forth by the people who created the game. The people playing the game are playing to win. How many of the players at this level use the same teams when they are playing at home or at their local venue? I don't think very many of them do.

[Morand]

is there video of the finals? where?

I don't think it's up yet, but it was recorded.

[mike_houghton]

I don't think it's up yet, but it was recorded.

Awesome, and Congrats. I really look forward to the Mr. Sinister. I guess Massus Dark Days of Clix are over.
I have to ask, did you playtest against Dr. Strange? I have only played against Metron a few times in high levels and both times Strange won, but it couldnt beat other teams.

[anonym0use]

I'm wondering if the guys I met from Calgary (Mike & Mike) made it into the final tournament...

In any event, I had a lot of fun playing a pick up game with them. :)

[Morand]

Awesome, and Congrats. I really look forward to the Mr. Sinister. I guess Massus Dark Days of Clix are over.
I have to ask, did you playtest against Dr. Strange? I have only played against Metron a few times in high levels and both times Strange won, but it couldnt beat other teams.

I did not. I did face one in round 1 of the semi's though. He was using him more for perplex though, and the one time he had a psychic blast shot at me he upped damage instead of attack and missed.

The team that beat mine fairly consistently in playtesting was Moonstone, Bullseye, and Venom with the yellow lantern and a gem. Basically if moonstone hits metron to super senses it's game over.

[incredible]

I'm wondering if the guys I met from Calgary (Mike & Mike) made it into the final tournament...

In any event, I had a lot of fun playing a pick up game with them. :)


Nice to meet you at the warehouse dinner!
:)

[Terman8er]

I did not. I did face one in round 1 of the semi's though. He was using him more for perplex though, and the one time he had a psychic blast shot at me he upped damage instead of attack and missed.

The team that beat mine fairly consistently in playtesting was Moonstone, Bullseye, and Venom with the yellow lantern and a gem. Basically if moonstone hits metron to super senses it's game over.

Nice...if I had gone that was one of the teams I was considering (Moony, Bulls & Venom) the other was a Bat/Cat team with lots of Perplex help.

And grats to you sir on a hard fought victory.

[Massu]

Any one see Pauls team of
Bombastic Bag man
LE Cable
Spiderman
Mary Jane
ATA New Mutants??

So clever, and so awesome! Hope ur reading this Paul cuz I'm stealing the idea;)
Best team I've seen in action all weekend.
--massu

[Massu]

Awesome, and Congrats. I really look forward to the Mr. Sinister. I guess Massus Dark Days of Clix are over.
I have to ask, did you playtest against Dr. Strange? I have only played against Metron a few times in high levels and both times Strange won, but it couldnt beat other teams.

Mike! The villain always comes back.
-Massu

[vlad3theimpaler]

Mike! The villain always comes back.
-Massu

The man has a point.

[mike_houghton]

Any one see Pauls team of
Bombastic Bag man
LE Cable
Spiderman
Mary Jane
ATA New Mutants??

So clever, and so awesome! Hope ur reading this Paul cuz I'm stealing the idea;)
Best team I've seen in action all weekend.
--massu

That is an awesome team.

[mike_houghton]

Mike! The villain always comes back.
-Massu

And when you do the Heroes of Today will be waiting.

[Uniquist]

Ed Arnold-Berkovits. (1-3)

a last-minute decision:
125 Bullseye + Tbolts
86 Nightcrawler
37 Question
43 Diana Prince
5 Gem
HO, LO
=296

I literally couldn't find my Metron card (for an exact NightTron) at the last second when I was putting together my team and pretty much everyone was waiting on me to start Top 16. Alan played NightTron vs me on Saturday and destroyed my other team (I went 3-1) and I playtested it a bit on Saturday night. I wasn't convinced - I didn't have enough experience playing it and I knew I was oblivious to a lot of the Meta.

So...if I merely found the card (which was later found beneath my bag of M&Ms), there would have been 3 NightTrons in the Top 16.

[stormphoenix]

Mixing up the builds or the formats might throw in a wrench to the monotony of these tournaments? Possible ideas:
Make the matches after the final 16 play at a different build amount to increase potential for diversity

Require that each round a player has to bring a different team each round and "retire" previously played figs from him/her the rest of the tournament to force these top-notch players to use a variety of figures and/or strategies

I'm liking this )and bluesummers) idea, either that or just restrict it to:

modern age sealed: all player rae reuired to have two modern age playable boosters (marvel or dc, ) and forge a 300 point yteam from those boosters alone.

it would form more variety, encourging creativity and testing team and game skills.

[Uniquist]

oh, and I would have chosen Scarlet Witch. I've got her dial all ready and everything. I did, however, write Rainbow Raider on my sheet. Because he shares my philosophy.

"I BELIEVE IN ME!"

[TH0MAS5]

I'm wondering if the guys I met from Calgary (Mike & Mike) made it into the final tournament...

In any event, I had a lot of fun playing a pick up game with them. :)



I don't know the exact final placing yet,
I think Mike R. got 5th ( spaz the geek ).


Spaz the Geek used a Team I made.
I havn't talked to him since he got back.

I tried to make a Team with no Bullseye or NC.

Peanut Cap
Roulette
Cypher
Peanut cap
Rouleete
JJJ

300


it was the Team i would have played.

( but I have Border problems and can't get into the States )

( oh well, maybe next year )



Go Canada !

[anonym0use]

I'm wondering if the guys I met from Calgary (Mike & Mike) made it into the final tournament...

In any event, I had a lot of fun playing a pick up game with them. :)

There's an error in this team:

Michael Reed
GSX 12 Cypher - 38 pts.
WoS 35 J.Jonah Jaimeson - 26 pts.
GSX 14 Roulette - 35 pts.
CAP 40 Captain America - 83 pts.
Build Total: 300
If I win, I would make: Thanos

Should be Captain America x2 on there... as I saw the exact same team being playtested in the Mariott hotel lobby Wednesday Night?

[anonym0use]

I don't know the exact final placing yet,
I think Mike R. got 5th ( spaz the geek ).


Spaz the Geek used a Team I made.
I havn't talked to him since he got back.

I tried to make a Team with no Bullseye or NC.

Peanut Cap
Roulette
Cypher
Peanut cap
Rouleete
JJJ

300


it was the Team i would have played.

( but I have Border problems and can't get into the States )

( oh well, maybe next year )



Go Canada !


So... A Canadian using Captain AMERICA? That only brings to mind this photo...

[The Arachnid]

So. Theme teams did even make a decent showing? Awww...

[psycho69]

i tried to bring the pain with this:
141 Noh-Varr
84 moonstone w/ thunderbolts
72 Captain America
0 Black Lantern
297

even after nightcrawler rolled a crit miss on the first attack of the game, i missed all three attacks on him... pulse wave would have neutered nightcrawler and i would have had two attacks on ms. marvel, psychic blast for three and then cap for three. oh well, that's how the dice roll.

had an absolutely wonderful time. met some new people, got together with friends from last year, and traded/ sold to most .

see you all next year.

Rob

[Massu]

This is Jason Williams - if anyone cares, this was my 'outside the box' team:

Moonstone (T-Bolts to Ultimates or Ultimate X-Men, depending)
Spider-Woman (wild card on my turns...Outwit thru stealth is good I hear)
Hawkgirl
Cypher
J.Jonah Jameson
Mjolnir, Light, Heavy

I really wanted to try Spider-Woman before she retires. Many people don't realize how good she is, or even what her pushing into Agent Provacatuer can do to a team. Element of surprise didn't quite get it done, though. 3-1 Saturday, 1-3 Sunday...11th overall

I care.....:devious:
-Massu

[Massu]

And when you do the Heroes of Today will be waiting.

"Such Heroic Non-sense"
-Massu

[Skeet181]

This is the single most accurate post so far! Great Job!

I loved my game with Rob, it was my favorite and most challanging match all day. I have zero complaints.

-There is also a lot of chatter about Metron and reforming the game and how boring...etc.

In this particular time of clix there is an unusually larger than normal gap between top tier and mid tier characters/teams. Hence all of the Metron teams, Nightcrawler Teams, or NightTron teams. It just so happens they are the most obviously powerful pieces right now. Without a lot of counter pieces who can decisively trump either of them.

However in foresight, with figures heading off to retirement, and the release of new sets that gap I was talking about should shrink and next year you might see more of a variety being played.

-Also wanna give everyone I chatted with over the weeked much love for coming to the big event, I enjoyed every conversation, game and laugh.

-Lastly Congrats to Dan! cant wait for Mr.Sinister!
-Massu.

Well. In my defense, if your team with WL Flash had went up against the Metron/ Zoom combination, you would have won. Peace!

[bluesummers]

*ahem* My figure I would make is BlackBOLT of Earth X, not Black Belt.

[TH0MAS5]

So... A Canadian using Captain AMERICA? That only brings to mind this photo...

Well, a lot of Americans use Wolverine. : )

[haymaker]

I care.....:devious:
-Massu

Heh heh - George if I ever get to make a figure, it's going to be of you aimlessly wandering Indy at 2 AM looking for a chocolate chip cookie ;)

[TTTtoniTTT]

Michaell Reed team only are 182 points... It is possible that a figure has been forgotten?

[Morand]

Michaell Reed team only are 182 points... It is possible that a figure has been forgotten?

Another peanut cap and a roulette I think

[TTTtoniTTT]

Another peanut cap and a roulette I think

It is:

Michael Reed
GSX 12 Cypher - 38 pts.
WoS 35 J.Jonah Jaimeson - 26 pts.
GSX 14 Roulette X 2 - 35 pts.
CAP 40 Captain America X 2 - 83 pts.
Build Total: 300
If I win, I would make: Thanos

i like this team, Thanks.

[bluesummers]

yeah, the list doesn't reflect multiples. Mine also had a 2nd lightspeed. Gotta fill in them blanks!

[Renard]

If he did play against a kid zoom team then I think yes, he should have had a better shot at winning or at least killing zoom with bullseye but i'm sure there was something that stood in his way like not having map choice or outwit and he would have had to shoot KZ for 4 damage or twice to get him off the special power.

He didn't he played against this (according to Bluesummers):

117 WS042 Bullseye
50 AN010 Johnny Quick
33 BB008 Parademon Grunt
47 GX021 Tarot
37 AA004 The Question
5 GXS101 Crimson Gem of Cyttorak
289

[mike_houghton]

So we have Three World Champs? Did Rowesbud get a cool thing below his avatar for Nationals.

-Mike
I am reminded of the Mike Bribiglia act where he says his name after his jokes like a rapstar.

[Renard]

So we have Three World Champs? Did Rowesbud get a cool thing below his avatar for Nationals.

-Mike
I am reminded of the Mike Bribiglia act where he says his name after his jokes like a rapstar.

Rowesbud= National Champ

[Harpua]

Any one see Pauls team of
Bombastic Bag man
LE Cable
Spiderman
Mary Jane
ATA New Mutants??

So clever, and so awesome! Hope ur reading this Paul cuz I'm stealing the idea;)
Best team I've seen in action all weekend.
--massu

One thing I want to point out about this team was that Paul made a VERY concerted to get clarification about the workings of this team ahead of time.

Mastermind says that the damage passed via MM is not an attack.
New Mutants has no such line.

Paul made sure to ask me on Thursday (days before the event in which he was using the team) to verify that damage from an attack passed to Bag-Man was still considered to be damage from an attack.

I took this to the other deputies present and we came to the consensus that it was still an attack and that we would rule it as such if questioned during the event. (We are reviewing if this is indeed the correct ruling or if it is supposed to work like Mastermind.)

Anyway, I wanted to give props to Paul for making the effort to clarify his strategy ahead of time rather than sneaking in a surprise and possibly getting burned.

[FurbyFrank]

Silva should have won... Because the Herc Cho due would be the best thing ever

[Telimtor]

Why Parademon Grunt ? I don't get it...

[Terman8er]

Why Parademon Grunt ? I don't get it...

Cheap taxi w/Willpower?

[chopchop777]

So we have Three World Champs? Did Rowesbud get a cool thing below his avatar for Nationals.

-Mike
I am reminded of the Mike Bribiglia act where he says his name after his jokes like a rapstar.

That's Mike with his personal "Hype-Man". We can only be so lucky to have one:cheeky:

[chopchop777]

I'm wondering if the guys I met from Calgary (Mike & Mike) made it into the final tournament...

In any event, I had a lot of fun playing a pick up game with them. :)

Yup. Mike Reed made it to Sunday. I got DQed for not having Thunderbolts ATA with me on Saturday.

You were in the game with 3 Mikes, right? Nick, was it? It was a fun game but to have to go against 2 Quasars?:cry:

[Morand]

Cheap taxi w/Willpower?

Yep. When rob played me the grunts purpose was to cart bullseye around

[Bubblehead]

*ahem* My figure I would make is BlackBOLT of Earth X, not Black Belt.

My favorite quote from Black Belt..... "I know Kung Fu".

That character is sooooooooooooo lame. :p

[Massu]

Why Parademon Grunt ? I don't get it...

You guys see part of it, but not all of it. if he's just a taxi with willpower wouldn't Rob have used someone cheaper?? You guys are almost there. Take a look at Parademon Grunt again, and see what else he can do.
-Massu

[Skeet181]

You guys see part of it, but not all of it. if he's just a taxi with willpower wouldn't Rob have used someone cheaper?? You guys are almost there. Take a look at Parademon Grunt again, and see what else he can do.
-Massu

He can play offense unlike Cave Carson?

[Massu]

He can play offense unlike Cave Carson?

Well cave Carson has quake with locked damage of two. Look at Robs characters and how the chemistry binds them together, then see what "The Grunt" can do from a supportive role. (hint) it's something lightspeed and cave Carson couldn't do if they belonged to this team.
-Massu.

[HypersonicHero27]

Well cave Carson has quake with locked damage of two. Look at Robs characters and how the chemistry binds them together, then see what "The Grunt" can do from a supportive role. (hint) it's something lightspeed and cave Carson couldn't do if they belonged to this team.
-Massu.


Hmm is it that the grunt can fire from range? and lightspeed and cave carson cant??

He can also charge...

Other than that haha i dont know but now im intrigued.

[Massu]

Hmm is it that the grunt can fire from range? and lightspeed and cave carson cant??

He can also charge...

Other than that haha i dont know but now im intrigued.

Yes! 4 range! And with a tad bit of help from J. Quick he has the ability to kick in doors. I. E break walls! That's huge!
-Massu

[Sentinel Mark V]

What was Michael Reed's team?

Michael Reed
GSX 12 Cypher - 38 pts.
WoS 35 J.Jonah Jaimeson - 26 pts.
GSX 14 Roulette - 35 pts.
CAP 40 Captain America - 83 pts.
Build Total: 300
If I win, I would make: Thanos

It's not 300 points :(

[vlad3theimpaler]

I believe he was doubled up on Cap and Roulette.

[Sentinel Mark V]

I believe he was doubled up on Cap and Roulette.

Oohhh, I can pull that off. I should playtest asap. Thanks!