View Full Version : The Main Man Returns!
WizKidsNECA
08/17/2011, 11:20
Today we spotlight one of the galaxy’s most misunderstood and maladjusted bounty hunters. We are pleased to present the Last Son of Czarnia, the Main Man himself, Lobo!
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Lobo begins play rushing headlong into battle with Charge as he tears into the opposition. If his enemies try to remain out of arm’s reach, Lobo relies on his Hook, Line, and Massacre special power to drag them in close and deliver a beatdown as only Lobo can![...]
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Havickzbeck
08/17/2011, 12:51
Wow, now thats a Lobo dial!
Now if only somebody can take a cue from this dial for the next Wolverine dial.....
Oooh, Papa like.
One nice thing about his damage SP is that the close combat attack doesn't have to be made against the character you're trying to drag over next to Lobo.
Jawapimp
08/17/2011, 13:02
E Lobo
Team: No Affiliation
Range: 2 :bolt:
Points: 169
Keywords: brute, Justice league International, L.E.G.I.O.N.
m-normala-normald-indomitableg-normal10111841011183910173910173810163891637915379153KOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOTrait - Blah Healing Factor Blah: At the beginning of your turn, as a free action, you may heal Lobo 1 damage
Attack - Lazy DAWG: Lobo can use Flurry. Before the second attack roll a d6. His damage value becomes the result minus 1 and is locked.
Damage - Hook, Line, and Massacre: Give Lobo a power action and choose an opposing character within 5 squares and line of fire, and roll a d6. If the d6 result is higher than the squares to that character, you may place that character in a square adjacent to Lobo. On any result, you may then make a close combat attack
the_big_dog01
08/17/2011, 13:06
This looks great! I always cringe when a character comes out that i've been looking forward to that gets mistreated with a high cost and low Attack values. Fortunately Lobo only brings a smile to my face!!
rwint1968
08/17/2011, 13:13
Lobo is looking good! And he's only a rare, nice.
:cool:
uncleanfan
08/17/2011, 13:13
Sweet. Now i have one that i can play and not just sit on my desk and look at.
PvtChurch
08/17/2011, 13:17
"Justice League International"
All I need to see to start playing a piece. Teaming him up with red lantern Guy as soon as I can! They should work fantastically together with Lobo's 'Hook, Line and Massacre' ability.
Nitecralwer24
08/17/2011, 13:25
swamp thing, here we come! though i love lobo too ^^ and it is much appreciated that he is 'only' a rare.
And he's not a SR! Sweet!
Dark_Knight
08/17/2011, 13:36
I might be one of the few NOT happy that he is Rare as opposed to Super Rare. Like WoS Deadpool, I think the rarity only increases the joy of owning one.
Also, why doesn't he have Ridiculous Regeneration like Deadpool? I know I'm in the minority on this one but I actually do not care for Wolverine's Constant Healing Trait and would prefer Deadpool's. Lobo is supposed the have the highest regeneration capabilities in the DC Universe, right?
Damage, Attack and Defense Values are all in line. Obviously anything compared to the JL Version is a step up (except for sculpt,) but I guess I was hoping for a 200+ Pt Beast that should be able to go toe to toe with Superman. We've only seen All Star Superman previewed, but it would appear this version of Lobo would have a very tough time against a 200+ Point Supes ...
BaboonJuice
08/17/2011, 13:46
Oh he is going to own sealed events, him and his little dog too! *Sound of Witch Cackles*
Pentarch
08/17/2011, 13:48
I might be one of the few NOT happy that he is Rare as opposed to Super Rare. Like WoS Deadpool, I think the rarity only increases the joy of owning one.
Also, why doesn't he have Ridiculous Regeneration like Deadpool? I know I'm in the minority on this one but I actually do not care for Wolverine's Constant Healing Trait and would prefer Deadpool's. Lobo is supposed the have the highest regeneration capabilities in the DC Universe, right?
Damage, Attack and Defense Values are all in line. Obviously anything compared to the JL Version is a step up (except for sculpt,) but I guess I was hoping for a 200+ Pt Beast that should be able to go toe to toe with Superman. We've only seen All Star Superman previewed, but it would appear this version of Lobo would have a very tough time against a 200+ Point Supes ...
I would assume because he's also got probability control and damage mitigators on the same dials as Wolverine's "sub par" regeneration ability. As for Deadpool's regeneration? It's entirely unreliable, and can make him either nigh invulnerable, or have him disintegrate in seconds. At least with Wolverine's regeneration factor he's going to be seeing the top end of his dial a lot more often than Wolverbub would be, thanks to Invuln.
Paul_Hill
08/17/2011, 13:57
Am I correct when reading lazy dawg that dawg could care less about the fight and do 0 damage if you roll a one? Notice that is the perfect time for that czanian luck to come into play.
RSIxidor
08/17/2011, 14:14
Love it, and will play it.
michiganj24
08/17/2011, 14:27
JLI???? I must have missed that issue...So he gets and not Max....DONGERS
crownroyal578
08/17/2011, 14:51
A great fig for an Experienced version, but I was kinda hoping for a Vet.
Still...leaps and bounds better than the JL one.
A friggin' great dial and SPs!
Very good dial, I wish he have a 12 attack, he deserves it more than Rogers, Wolverine & Sabretooth.
purplepig11
08/17/2011, 16:05
LOVE IT!! healing factor on someone that actually has a deep dial! and Indom too!
I thought wolverine was jacked up now the main man with constant healing. i found a new character i'm going to love to hate
Faster Than Flash
08/17/2011, 16:21
He is proof that both wolverines are over costed and under powered.
Baron Impossible
08/17/2011, 16:26
great fig.
hook, line and massacre is the SP that Wonder Woman figs have been missing all this time, though the B&B AE was getting there
Am I correct when reading lazy dawg that dawg could care less about the fight and do 0 damage if you roll a one? Notice that is the perfect time for that czanian luck to come into play.
i actually like that. he is "lazy" after all so the flurry might not happen
Superclone
08/17/2011, 16:29
You know, I would have taken 60 more points on Wolverine to give him 8 clix and some toughness up front. This dial is ... just wow.
Love it entirely too much ... I will play and play and play it.
The only thing missing is a reference to space dolphins!
RSIxidor
08/17/2011, 16:42
L.E.G.I.O.N.
I'm expecting more, FYI Wizkids.
Dark_Knight
08/17/2011, 16:43
I would assume because he's also got probability control and damage mitigators on the same dials as Wolverine's "sub par" regeneration ability. As for Deadpool's regeneration? It's entirely unreliable, and can make him either nigh invulnerable, or have him disintegrate in seconds. At least with Wolverine's regeneration factor he's going to be seeing the top end of his dial a lot more often than Wolverbub would be, thanks to Invuln.
First, I've seen Wolverine fielded quite often and he too gets wiped off the map rather quickly at times as well, especially because he lacks the Standard Regeneration Power on his dial, which I've always felt is shortsided of his regeneration capability. At most he can Regenerate 1 click per turn because of the lack of said Regeneration on his dial, which would allow him to possibly heal 4 clicks at once. Also, both recent Wolverine pieces with said +1 healing power are arguably "finesse" pieces, but that can be attributed to short clicks of life and lack of damage reducers (save WoS Wolverine who has 2 clicks of Toughness) so that point is perhaps moot.
I would say it's truly only because Deadpool has no Damage Reducers on his dial that he can get wiped out in a blink of an eye (if he rolls 1 or 2-3 on his Ridiculous Regen or misses Super Senses rolls.) Lobo however has one more click of life, higher Defense Values and as you already mentioned, Invulnerability and Toughness for 6/8 clicks. If you put Ridiculous Regeneration on him and roll that 4-5 he would take zero damage, i.e., you take 1 damage which unless EW or PB would get reduced by invulnerability or toughness.
This is his Experienced Version so 169 Points is sufficient, but still his Regeneration Capabilities are better than Wolverine's, according to comic canon and therefore not quite accurately reflected. You're talking about a character that wiped out his own entire planet/race in his teen years which has nothing to do with his regeneration but still fraggin' noteworthy :cheeky:
newkidflash
08/17/2011, 17:20
I think Bob Agent of Hydrea will be teaming up with Lobo quite often in my games ;)
UltraMANOS
08/17/2011, 17:34
awww yeeah !
I got happy pants!
MilkyMilk
08/17/2011, 18:06
I am so happy that they finally made a decent lobo, but he's not just decent, he's fantastic
BranWheatKillah
08/17/2011, 19:16
Another typo?
"He recently he visited earth..."
Wizkids, need a new editor? I'm available for hire.
WestCoastAvengers
08/17/2011, 21:46
He's a great figure and only a rare. I like his healing and you scratched my leather.
WakandaMan
08/17/2011, 23:08
Amazingly good! So far this is my only must have for the DC set, and I'm stoked that he is just a Rare. Well... Matter Eater Lad is a must-have too I guess, but haven't seen his dial yet.
I love that duos are getting cooler ways to represent it thesedays instead of the awful duo power. Redwing, Monkey Joe and now the lazy Dawg. Great stuff.
And that regen power is going to be just amazing on a longer dial full of damage reducers. Seriously this guy will be brutal! As he should be. :)
Wow, he looks good and fun!
Sixty1Mankeys
08/18/2011, 00:40
Yeah I don't know if he'll be rare Cap's $$$ but he should hold his value considering. Only the second version of the most popular DC character of a 4-5 year span in the 90's and they really got it right this time.
Now I need to find tiny plastic dolphins to prop up in the background for pure awesome. I can live with modding a rare after all.
Death2thePelican
08/18/2011, 01:28
I might be one of the few NOT happy that he is Rare as opposed to Super Rare. Like WoS Deadpool, I think the rarity only increases the joy of owning one.
Also, why doesn't he have Ridiculous Regeneration like Deadpool? I know I'm in the minority on this one but I actually do not care for Wolverine's Constant Healing Trait and would prefer Deadpool's. Lobo is supposed the have the highest regeneration capabilities in the DC Universe, right?
Damage, Attack and Defense Values are all in line. Obviously anything compared to the JL Version is a step up (except for sculpt,) but I guess I was hoping for a 200+ Pt Beast that should be able to go toe to toe with Superman. We've only seen All Star Superman previewed, but it would appear this version of Lobo would have a very tough time against a 200+ Point Supes ...
I agree that this power is not as strong as it was on the Wolverines in GSXmen and WoS, but only because those wolverines were a part of the X-Men team, thereby being able to heal others on his team, then healing that one click back himself. The one from WoS was particularly strong, because it was designed to chill back in the bushes and heal.
I've noticed that, in the games I've played during which I attack with the GSXmen wolverine (the one with charge), he doesn't really do as well.
On the other hand, this Lobo looks waaaay more powerful than that figure. Flurry, and, pretty much, willpower? Healing that extra click, don't forget, works like willpower, only better. So go ahead, attack two turns in a row. Twice each time. With b/c/f. He heals back that click of pushing damage next turn, anyway. GEEZE! :d-indomitable: :a-duo:
WakandaMan
08/18/2011, 02:16
I agree that this power is not as strong as it was on the Wolverines in GSXmen and WoS, but only because those wolverines were a part of the X-Men team, thereby being able to heal others on his team, then healing that one click back himself. The one from WoS was particularly strong, because it was designed to chill back in the bushes and heal.
I've noticed that, in the games I've played during which I attack with the GSXmen wolverine (the one with charge), he doesn't really do as well.
On the other hand, this Lobo looks waaaay more powerful than that figure. Flurry, and, pretty much, willpower? Healing that extra click, don't forget, works like willpower, only better. So go ahead, attack two turns in a row. Twice each time. With b/c/f. He heals back that click of pushing damage next turn, anyway. GEEZE! :d-indomitable: :a-duo:
Actually he has Willpower as well. Did you miss the Indomitable symbol on defense?
Yeah, between that, the Invul/Toughness and the impressive attack abilites this guy looks like a top tier figure to me.
gatharion
08/18/2011, 02:18
Wow..wow...
That is a Lobo that is going to do some serious fragging. Just further evidence of what a joke the JL Lobo was.
I might be one of the few NOT happy that he is Rare as opposed to Super Rare. Like WoS Deadpool, I think the rarity only increases the joy of owning one.
:cheeky:
Yeah, that's all you bud. If a figure represents a character I like in a way that is both accurate and playable and has a good sculpt than I'll be equally pleased if it's the most common figure of all time or if I'm the only one to own it.
Actually...scratch that. I'm MORE happy if the figure is common. I want as many people as possible to be able to enjoy good Heroclix pieces. I like being able to say, "you should consider playing X figure on your team" and having a reasonable expectation that they can actually do just that.
Damage, Attack and Defense Values are all in line. Obviously anything compared to the JL Version is a step up (except for sculpt,) but I guess I was hoping for a 200+ Pt Beast that should be able to go toe to toe with Superman. We've only seen All Star Superman previewed, but it would appear this version of Lobo would have a very tough time against a 200+ Point Supes ...
Fortunately, there are versions of Superman who are less than 200 points that you can match him up against.
150 pt All-Star Superman
173 pt DC75th Superman
The Collateral Damage R/E/Vs (the vet is 168)
Heck, with Lobo's Indomitable and Healing power, he's got a pretty decent shot against some of the Supermen who DO clock in at 200 points or more.
197 pt Icons Rookie
222 pt Icons Experienced
226 pt JL version
216 pt Brave and the Bold version
(Not bothering to even list the Hypertime versions.)
I wouldn't say that any of those versions would score a sure victory over the Main Man.
What's your complaint again? That Lobo isn't as powerful as the super-charged up 300 point version of Superman?
The dude is definitely in the weight class of figures that can give Superman a hard time. This seems appropriate to me.
spider_ham
08/18/2011, 03:23
I like this version.
He's different enough from the JL version to give players a choice as to which Lobo they want to run: A flying HSS taxi with better range and weaker combat values), or an Indomitable brute with shorter range and constant healing.
Superclone
08/18/2011, 09:29
JLI???? I must have missed that issue...So he gets and not Max....DONGERS
Yeah he joins for a couple of issues to help them out with some things. I think it is when they needed some heavy hitters and their heavy hitters were away. It inspired the JLU McDuffie story where Lobo tries to fill in for Superman (I think so anyways - completely unverifiable apparently given I can't find the reference for it now).
Hold hope - I'm almost certain Max will be an LE hinted at by Muncho in the Max announcement page, I'm betting he will have the JLI, Super Buddies and White Lantern keywords. You'll have sort of a White Hat/Black Hat Max then.
iceman243
08/18/2011, 10:26
I generally don't use figures that cost over half of the standard build, but with that "Blah Healing Factor Blah" he could be very dangerous
this trait belongs to Wolverine and only Wolverine. shoul've been copy witten by the Wolvester...!
Darknesspwns
08/18/2011, 11:40
we might see red lantern Lobo as an LE?
also anyone else notice that the source picture is broken?
fig not attached to dial
i hope this isnt epic foreshadowing...
The Arachnid
08/18/2011, 11:59
"Justice League International"
All I need to see to start playing a piece. Teaming him up with red lantern Guy as soon as I can! They should work fantastically together with Lobo's 'Hook, Line and Massacre' ability.
LOL. Exactly what I was thinking. We'll call it Justice League Massacre.
A_Higher_Level
08/18/2011, 14:12
What makes his healing so good (and even better than Wolverine and Deadpool) is that he has a longer dial than any of them. But not only does he have a longer dial, but he also has Invulnerable to reduce damage. And when he doesn't have Invulnerable, then he has Toughness. So his long dial last even longer. But not only does he have a long, damage reducing dial, but he has Indomitable which is perma Willpower, so he doesn't take damage from taking tokens. So he has a long dial, reduces damage, and doesn't take pushing damage, AND he gains a click of healing every turn.
Disgusting!
:p ;)
RSIxidor
08/18/2011, 15:05
this trait belongs to Wolverine and only Wolverine. shoul've been copy witten by the Wolvester...!
Lobo regenerates way better than Lobo does, in source. If blown to smithereens, eventually Lobo stands up again.
NeckSnappingAdam
08/18/2011, 15:15
I like this:
Attack - Lazy DAWG: Lobo can use Flurry. Before the second attack roll a d6. His damage value becomes the result minus 1 and is locked.
So as a hail mary, you could technically use that attack, before the first attack roll make that D6 roll - PC it if you get < 4 and then you could make the 2 attacks with the replaced value. I doubt anyone would risk giving up a 3 damage for 2 more damage and I doubt it would be game changing, but it would be one of those "what?" moments in a game if it came up and connected!
This is probably my favorite piece of this set so far, wolvie regen + imdom + damage reducers + a > 6 click dial all costed around what i'd pay for a primary brawler running on a 300 point team with some support.
Sixty1Mankeys
08/18/2011, 15:20
Remember when Wolverine was incinerated to a skeleton and an organ or two? And then regenerated completely back to life... or how about the story where they mentioned him surviving the Hiroshima bomb during WWII? I'm not saying that Lobo's power isn't stronger in healing, (he was a direct rip-off of Wolvie and Punisher after all and just an over-powered walking exaggeration of them both). I am just saying that being blown up isn't even beginning to push the envelope for regeneration factors in comic books nowadays.
bbqbundy
08/18/2011, 18:34
i am glad to see the excitement on this fig, but personally with a 2 range he will get destroyed every time. especially by superman. outranged everytime. the old one had a great attack power, plus 6 range, and i transporter. wow, for about 35 pts more!! i prefer the old but welcome another version
this trait belongs to Wolverine and only Wolverine. should've been copy written by the Wolvester...!
I'm pretty sure it was mentioned somewheres that Lobo regenerated from a single cell once. He's the Last Czarnian because he can't be killed... basically. Did they ever mention how he wiped out the rest of his Czarnians?
Definitely want this fig!
WakandaMan
08/19/2011, 02:48
I like this:
Attack - Lazy DAWG: Lobo can use Flurry. Before the second attack roll a d6. His damage value becomes the result minus 1 and is locked.
So as a hail mary, you could technically use that attack, before the first attack roll make that D6 roll - PC it if you get < 4 and then you could make the 2 attacks with the replaced value. I doubt anyone would risk giving up a 3 damage for 2 more damage and I doubt it would be game changing, but it would be one of those "what?" moments in a game if it came up and connected!
Huh? I do not understand what you are saying here. You don't roll for the Lazy Dawg until after the first attack, so the first attack is at the normal damage value.
I love that he has PC on those clix so you can re-roll that roll though.
RSIxidor
08/19/2011, 03:23
I'm pretty sure it was mentioned somewheres that Lobo regenerated from a single cell once. He's the Last Czarnian because he can't be killed... basically. Did they ever mention how he wiped out the rest of his Czarnians?
Definitely want this fig!
I don't know, but I always have assumed it had something to do with cannibalism.
Huh? I do not understand what you are saying here. You don't roll for the Lazy Dawg until after the first attack, so the first attack is at the normal damage value.
I love that he has PC on those clix so you can re-roll that roll though.
Yep, when they say before they mean IMMEDIATELY before, not at the beginning of your turn or before the first attack.
Munchoboy
08/19/2011, 09:31
I'm pretty sure it was mentioned somewheres that Lobo regenerated from a single cell once. He's the Last Czarnian because he can't be killed... basically. Did they ever mention how he wiped out the rest of his Czarnians?
Lobo killed all the other Czarnians with a plague (he claimed it was a science project and gave himself an 'A').
He'd created a small insect that was scorpion-like in appearance and unleashed a horde of them upon his planet while he watched everyone die, protected behind a barrier.
I wish I could find the quote from the original 4-issue mini.
NeckSnappingAdam
08/19/2011, 14:19
Huh? I do not understand what you are saying here. You don't roll for the Lazy Dawg until after the first attack, so the first attack is at the normal damage value.
I love that he has PC on those clix so you can re-roll that roll though.
Lazy DAWG: Lobo can use Flurry. Before the second attack roll a d6. His damage value becomes the result minus 1 and is locked.
The power never says that you have to roll for Lazy Dawg after the first attack - it says you have to roll for Lazy Dawg before the second attack. In addition it does not say "immediately before" which would also be 'after the first attack but before the second'.
Therefore if you roll at the start of the power, that meets the before the second attack requirement and you get the replacement value for both attacks. Would you want to do this? Probably not - but like I said in my OP you could use it as a hail mary play.
UltraDRGN
08/19/2011, 19:54
He's like one of my favorite close combat pieces in the game, Morlun, only he doesn't even have to hit you to constantly heal. He's not as durable as Morlun, but he's slightly cheaper, has better attack powers, and that trait is golden.
I've tried to work with the Wolverine's enough to know just how powerful that trait and damage reduction is going to be. Add in indomitable, and nobody under a 4 damage will be even able to scratch Lobo. He's virtually invincible 1v1 against anyone that can't deal 5+ damage 2 out of 3 turns for multiple turns.
Kite-Man
08/19/2011, 20:32
Whoah! This guy is amazing. I'd still play him if he cost 25 points more.
I have never see a succesful roll in "Ridiculous Regeneration".
Whoa hold the space hawg - this is the main man I've been waiting for. Lobo is what got me back into comics in the 90's (and actually into DC!), violent, surreal but with some real comedy - always been a fan of Alan Grant and Simon Bisley, but Val Semeiks vision of lobo is my fave.
This model is going to get some serious re-painting (why are his knee pads blue ?)... before travelling the world to do some serious fragging.
Luv it
HB
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