Third Summers Brother....?

[DarkMalakim]

I had heard rumors of a third Summers brother coming into the mix, and since most people who play heroclix know about comics, I thought I would ask. My first suspect would be Gambit. I mean Energy Manipulation is the Summers trademark, Gambit was an orphan before he was raised by the thieves (or tieves), plus he does look an awful like Corsair. Is it that far fetched to think that upon returning to Earth thinking that his family was dead, a brother went down to Mardi Gras and knocked a women up??? I've heard worse origins.

[Angelofhate]

Is it a new guy or someone already established?

I don't think it will be gambit, gambit's origins have been explored (although minutely)

And in the Marvel X-Men Encyclopedia.. it mentions nothing like that.

[TheFreak]

This was brought up awhile ago in Wizard. In one issue, Mr Sinister tells Cyke that he's keeping an eye on his "brothers" Alot of people have said that Gambit was likely. At one point he would have an energy blast from his eyes (noman am i right?)

I think it would be cooler if the 3rd brother was someone new.

[DarkMalakim]

They said he was an existing character, hence why I thought it was Gambit

[DarkMalakim]

And it would make sense since, as TheFreak so kindly brought up, that Sinister had dealings with Gambit. What better ally to have than a Summers, especially since you want their genetic info.

[Angelofhate]

Gambit would be a possibility, even though it's more of awakening latent energy than energy projection in gambit's case.

Any other ideas?

[SpiderKnight]

I had heard a rumor that a character that was a member of the "All-New, All Deadly X-Men" (Uncanny X-Men #360, X-Men #80) who went by the name Xaos. You probably have no idea who he is, cause he was only in those to issues. He was autistic and generated energy blasts.

[TheFreak]

Really? I have those issues...never saw that..where did you hear that? I always liked those characters for some reason

[SpiderKnight]

I have no idea where I read it, but it did kinda seem like an interesting idea. I liked those characters too, and it'd be cool if they showed up again someday, which I doubt.

[nmcneeley]

What brought up this question anyway. I would like to know who the third brother is also and know it is one of the hanging storylines Marvel wants to clear up. Does anyone know if and when they plan to continue on it?

[GambitXXM]

I heard it was Adam-X, aka X-Treme.

[nmcneeley]

I never heard of Adam-X

[Soro]

I had heard it was X treme as well but I can see the logic in Gambit being the one from a logical standpoint but the writers who started the storyline have long since moved to other books and if it is resolved then it will be by a different writer who will decide for themselves who it is. not the writer who started the story.

just like "the Twelve" story eneded in a totally different way than it was probably intended

[DarkMalakim]

Yeah the Twelve seemed like the writers put up a bunch of ideas on the wall and threw darts to make the plot.

[nmcneeley]

I did think the Wolverine as Death was pretty cool

[DarkMalakim]

Name one other thing in that series that was besides the Wolvie becoming Death, the process involved, and what he did that was cool about it?

[nmcneeley]

I never did say anything else in that story line was cool. All the rest of the story line did was keep my interest.

[Klarc Quente]

It would be so cool if the 3rd Summers was Wolverine or Nightcrawler. (LOL!) Or maybe Colossus... well... I don't care anymore, I am waiting for Cosmic Justice right now!

[Chiisai]

The third Summers brother is one of those storylines that gets lost in the continuity maze that is the X-Men. :grin:
I've read that Chuck Austen might be clearing things up in the pages of Uncanny either this year or next.

[KaiserSelroc]

It'll prolly turn out to be Peter Parker, for no other reason then to shove a broomstick up continuity's @$$.

[Wyldstaar]

Since the ancestry of Wolvie, Nightcrawler, and Colossus are already known, it's not too likely.

I don't think it will be X-Treme simply because his character wasn't very good. He was exactly like Longshot. Tall, blonde, memory problems, black leather, throwing knives, ect.

Gambit is an orphan last time I checked, so he's got the most potential.

[nmcneeley]

If Marvel really wanted to mess with people they would say it was actually Corsairand Mr. Sinister is their real father.

[Thanosied]

Wow I am so excited... More X-men barf, barf, barf. Sorry guys but there are sow many now they can have 4 different comics of them and still have reserves. Too many X-men..

[TheFreak]

I thought the whole Twelve story was BS. As it was getting started, I could pick who it was going to be. I thought it would have been nice if it wasn't the staple Magneto. Prof X, Cyclops and Jean Grey. It should have been someone else, anyone. The Living Monolith was a good surprise though....

[Thanosied]

A character that already exists would be fine by me. Hopefully Xaos he was pretty cool.

[ScrewOnHead]

for some reason i remember thinking that Xorn was a summers boy....can't remember exactly why....but given his current origin, i don't see that being the case.

[ontapmedia]

two characters have been rumored by writers to be the 3rd Summers Brother. X-Treme and Gambit. The Storyline began with Sinisters comment about brothers (plural ) but it was never really explored beyond that.

[lusiphur]

I thought it would be Adam-X, X-Treme. He is from the Shi'ar and thats where the Corsiar is and wherer the mom "died". When he showed up is when they first started clamoeing aobut a 3rd brother. I doubt ihe would have been Corsair kid, probably the mothers bio material was used, but the way the X-Men go who can tell.

[ontapmedia]

i dont think scott and alex's mother survived the plane incident. My understanding was that only Cosair went to the Shiar. I've never heard or read anything that I recall about mother summers in space. If X-Treme was indeed the 3rd brother he is probably a half brother or a test tube creation manufactured by someone in the Shiar empire.

I think Gambit is the leading contender due to his physical similarities to Alex and Scott. The red eyes, The energy projection type powers and his lack of a real conclusive past. Yew we know he was more or less adopted by the Thieves Guild and what not but what happened before that.

Siniste has been watching the Summer Gene for a long time perhaps he manipulated a situation to either make the Summer look like they had lost the baby similar to what The Green Goblin did with Mary Jane and Peter's baby. Maybe he artificially created the child using DNA extracted by the Summers.

Maybe Gambit was an indiscretion of Corsair in his travels. I mean he's a pilot he got around and maybe there was a stormy period in his marriage. I mean you could create a bunch of concepts. I dont recall Remy ever saying anything about remembering his real parents.

I mean this made it easier for him to be recruited into the Marauders unit that slayed the Morloks. Maybe this was all a long plan and Remy was groomed for that task since the beginning of his very life. - Terrence

[shin-goji]

I remember when Gammbit first came on the scene they did a side by side profile of Gambit and Cyclops. The similarities they were hinting at were pretty identical.

[MindsEnd]

If Gambit's the 3rd Summer's brother I'm gonna go buy a fireplace and burn all my X-Men comics. :P

[Soro]

actually their mother did survive the plane crash Corsair was sent to the slave pits and D ken (the shiar emporer) took Karen as one of his concubines but when corsair tried to escape Dken killed her in front of him

[bullseye100]

i think gambit would be cool as the third brother!!!!

[CyberVenom]

Here's the main three rumors I heard over the years, and they are in order of how I think it'll turn out.

1. Gambit
2. X-Treme
3. Surprisingly enough, Mr. Sinister himself. (Which wouldn't make sense, if age is added in)

[nmcneeley]

Look at Cable, he is Jean and Scott's kid but he looks older than both of them. It could be some situation where Sinister got thrown into the past instead of the future like Cable.

[Kaitouace]

It originally was supposed to be Gambit (with his connection to Sinister and all). But then they changed Gambit's connection to having Sinister to "limit" his powers and whatnot (the whole New Son deal). At which point they had Adam X (X-treme). That's who the third Summers brother is currently supposed to be. But he's been LONG forgotten in the realm of obscurity.

[DareDevil_13]

I would agree that it's Gambit, the connections are too obvious to ignore. The enrgy manipulation, he even kinda looks like corsair, and his shady past. Another thing is, the brothers like mutant chicks, Scott/Jean, Havok/Polaris, and there's always been the story of Gambit/Rogue.

[Noman]

Hello TheFreak.

As you can tell from the thread, general consensus is that it was supposed to be Gambit, but no longer is it GOING to be Gambit. Yes, Gambit did emit (small) amounts of energy from his eyes at various times, and also via energising so much material that the blast went close to Havok's power level.

However, it isn't going to be gambit anymore.

So, who is it ? Adam-X / Extreme would be a boring choice.

Xaos would be much, much better - and his mental state could have been caused by the classic Summers bang on the head when falling from a plane/spaceship/parachute...

However - Corsair's recolections of the "throw your children out the plane" scenario includes only Scott and Alex.

Therefore :- Scott's mother was pregnant when she went into space, and had the baby before she was killed by D'ken, in which case they either are or were in the Sh'iar Empire, or Corsair had a child by someone else. The later is more likely. This would explain Scott and Alex not knowing.

A good case has been made on the Net for it being
Jimmy Proudstar (Warpath ?) previously field commander of the Hellions. A better case can be made for Sunspot (Roberto DeCosta), based on Power mode and links to solar based energy. However, both are too young. The suspect has to be in his early 20's now, and the main means of identifying him would be that he should be immune to Cyclops and Havoks blasts, and they to his.

So, we need a M.E.B., with an unspecified as yet background, and a link to Sinister, in all probability.

Xaos would be good, and I wish they would do that, but I don't think they will.

Now - the Mrs Summers had a baby in space theory...hmmm. I like the theory - the continuity allows for it - but who would the baby have become ??

Look back at X-Men 137. Starbolt, to be precise. Is he Shi'ar ? No. Could he be a teenager at this point ? Yes. Did his blasts hurt Cyclops ? - no evidance that they did...but no link to Sinister. So maybe not.

So we have :-

It was going to be Gambit.
IMHO it should be Xaos.
It will probably be Adam-X.

Warpath / Starbolt / and Sunspot are all long-odds contenders.

Can anyone think of a youngish M.E.B. in Marvel who could fit the bill ???

LoL

All the Best

Noman

[lusiphur]

Ive read the old stories in the Classic X-Men , so they might have been added too the originals, but the mother was taken onboard the Shir ship and was killed when she refused to submit to the captain. Corsair was takend to the slave pits where he met up with the rest of the Star Jammers.
From what ive read and what has been said I think that Corsair was so in love with Katherine? that he wouldnt have had any liason while they were married and he didnt have any until Hezibah and him hooked up. Maybe before he married Katherine but then the brother would be older. If Mr Sinister is involved then it could be a clone or test tube baby. and he just called him "brother" figuratively.
Im thinking that after Katherine was killed they took her body and studied it. They were all into that kinda stuff when they turned Carol Danvers into Binary.
Having Gambit be ther brother is too clever clever. So many coincidences. The biggest is him hokking up with the X-Men. Youd thiink that with all the genetic tests they must do at Xaviers they would have caught the similar genetic markers between the ones who are related.

[Noman]

Fair point about the genetic checks at Xaviers.

Can anyone else think of a Mutant Energy Blaster who fits the bill... ??

I still think it should be Xaos.

I take the point about Corsair not having a liason pre his wifes death - but am not sure about the time frame - I am not sure she was killed immediatly - I think enough time may have gone by...

All the Best

Noman

[Badges2]

If it is Corsair's son by another woman, why would he have the same powers. IMHO, it's a big coincidence that Havok and Cyclops have similar powers that can't hurt each other. Why? Do you know any other siblings that had similar powers? No. Quicksilver/Scarlet Witch -Same Dad (maybe same mom) - completely diffent powers. So why would another Summers have similar powers. For all we know, Corsair bumped up with Mystique and had Nightcrawler.

[ontapmedia]

I dont think the power has to be similar. I think that when Gambit was hinted at they made those distinctions to imply it was a tellling sign of similarity. As a result many who have followed this seemingly dead plot line have continued to refer back to the original clues presented intentionally and unintentially by the writers at that time. I believe it was after Chris Claremont left and was written mostly by (I know i'm gonna spell this wrong) Fabian Niceza.

In a recent Wizard interview writers mostly speculated it was Gambit. More then that it has been made a theme in X-men that alot of people are related. For Example:

Mystique was once married to Sabrettoth and thier offspring was Graydon Creed (deceased) Sabrettoth was also involved with someone who she sired Nightcrawler. Mystique was romantically involved with Destiny and raised Rogue as her daughter.

Sabretooth is more then likely the half brother of Logan due to an affair of some type between Sabretooth's father and Logan's Mother. At least thats the way I read "Origin"

Scott and Havok are brother's Scott and Jean's Clone Madelyn Pryor gave birth to a son name Nathan Christopher who was raised by Scott and Jean's daughter from an alternate timeline named Rachel Summers.

Apocalypse cloned the child and raised him as the techno-organic virus free version named Stryfe. Cable had a son named Tyler who was eventually killed by Logan.

Logan was married to Viper, and Lady Mariko and has an adopted daughter named Yuriko. If your keeping score Logan also had a familiar relationship with the Avenger's Black Widow as she considered him like an Uncle.

Colussus had/has a son in the Savage Land (I think I remeber him dting at some point)

Colussus has a sister who was Magik and a brother who had reality bending abilities name Mikhail. It's been inferred that MAgik may not be completely dead due to her ties with the realms outside our own. I think she's dead and she should dtay that way.

Cannonball and Husk are Brother and sister.
Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are siblings and children of Magneto.

Speaking of Mags.... In the very early days of her introduction Polaris was under the belief that she was the daughter of Magneto.

Bishop has a sister named Shard

Jean Grey has a sister that is dead I believe but she had two children who were twins that had powers. Featured in X-factor.

Aurora and Northstar are siblings who share thier power.

Fenris are siblings.

The Black King Sebastain Shaw had a son named Shinobi.

X-man was a alternate child of Jean and scott who was created by sinister.

Of course there is also Prof X and Juggernaut who are half brothers who may have had some involvement with weapon X and that connects them to the mutant known as Hazard.

M of the Generation X kids was actually two siblings half the age of the whole. They were related to thier brother who was the villian known as Emplate and thier sister Penance.

So the X-men is in fact aclan made up the families:

Captain Britain and Psylocke are siblings and I think they have a brother beyond that who is evil. Cap Britain is not a mutant though if I recall just enchanted eith mystical powers.

St.Croix, Creeds, Summers, Xaviers, Guthries, Darkholmes, Rasputins and Lenscherr.

Lately all of the X-mens biggest enemies have been joining the team. Sabretooth hung around the mansion for awhile about 7-8 years ago. White Queen and Juggernaut are both on the team now. I imagine they are filling the voids left by Colussus and Psylocke and Magneto was a headmaster for the school during the mid eighties.


Just felt the need to throw in this family Inforamtion on the x-men

[AdamWarlock]

If Marvel finally reveals a new Summers brother and it is NOT X-treme they made BIG mistake. For such an obscure character (only ever having appeared in one X-force annual, 2 issues of X-force, 1 of Captain Marvel V.2 *the 6-issue mid 90's run*, one of X-men and one panel in a second x-men issue before AOA), he sure is rememembered by a lot of people.

And I for one thought he was very interesting. Plus, there is just FAR too much evidence pointing to the fact that he's the 3rd brother to just ignore it and hope nobody notices.

First: yeah, he's half sh'iar. Corsair's wife was held captive in Emperor D'Ken's HAREM. X-treme could be the son of Karen Summers & D'ken.
SECOND: In that one issue of X-men where Xtreme appeared, he was randomly strolling around some arctic environment where he just happens to stumble across the downed plane of Cyclops' grandfather and feels a deep connection with the man. X-treme brings grandpa Summers to safety where they are met by Jean Grey, who, once Xtreme leaves, just so happens to openly proclaim how she feels their family to have somehow been brought closer together.

If Marvel has all that out there and then they just ignore it all to bring in some new goon or even naming Gambit as the lost brother (ridiculous) without so much as MENTIONING X-treme... they should all be shot.

[Puuka]

Originally posted by ontapmedia
I dont think the power has to be similar. I think that when Gambit was hinted at they made those distinctions to imply it was a tellling sign of similarity. As a result many who have followed this seemingly dead plot line have continued to refer back to the original clues presented intentionally and unintentially by the writers at that time. I believe it was after Chris Claremont left and was written mostly by (I know i'm gonna spell this wrong) Fabian Niceza.

In a recent Wizard interview writers mostly speculated it was Gambit. More then that it has been made a theme in X-men that alot of people are related. For Example:

Mystique was once married to Sabrettoth and thier offspring was Graydon Creed (deceased) Sabrettoth was also involved with someone who she sired Nightcrawler. Mystique was romantically involved with Destiny and raised Rogue as her daughter.

Sabretooth is more then likely the half brother of Logan due to an affair of some type between Sabretooth's father and Logan's Mother. At least thats the way I read "Origin"

Scott and Havok are brother's Scott and Jean's Clone Madelyn Pryor gave birth to a son name Nathan Christopher who was raised by Scott and Jean's daughter from an alternate timeline named Rachel Summers.

Apocalypse cloned the child and raised him as the techno-organic virus free version named Stryfe. Cable had a son named Tyler who was eventually killed by Logan.

Logan was married to Viper, and Lady Mariko and has an adopted daughter named Yuriko. If your keeping score Logan also had a familiar relationship with the Avenger's Black Widow as she considered him like an Uncle.

Colussus had/has a son in the Savage Land (I think I remeber him dting at some point)

Colussus has a sister who was Magik and a brother who had reality bending abilities name Mikhail. It's been inferred that MAgik may not be completely dead due to her ties with the realms outside our own. I think she's dead and she should dtay that way.

Cannonball and Husk are Brother and sister.
Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are siblings and children of Magneto.

Speaking of Mags.... In the very early days of her introduction Polaris was under the belief that she was the daughter of Magneto.

Bishop has a sister named Shard

Jean Grey has a sister that is dead I believe but she had two children who were twins that had powers. Featured in X-factor.

Aurora and Northstar are siblings who share thier power.

Fenris are siblings.

The Black King Sebastain Shaw had a son named Shinobi.

X-man was a alternate child of Jean and scott who was created by sinister.

Of course there is also Prof X and Juggernaut who are half brothers who may have had some involvement with weapon X and that connects them to the mutant known as Hazard.

M of the Generation X kids was actually two siblings half the age of the whole. They were related to thier brother who was the villian known as Emplate and thier sister Penance.

So the X-men is in fact aclan made up the families:

Captain Britain and Psylocke are siblings and I think they have a brother beyond that who is evil. Cap Britain is not a mutant though if I recall just enchanted eith mystical powers.

St.Croix, Creeds, Summers, Xaviers, Guthries, Darkholmes, Rasputins and Lenscherr.

Lately all of the X-mens biggest enemies have been joining the team. Sabretooth hung around the mansion for awhile about 7-8 years ago. White Queen and Juggernaut are both on the team now. I imagine they are filling the voids left by Colussus and Psylocke and Magneto was a headmaster for the school during the mid eighties.


Just felt the need to throw in this family Inforamtion on the x-men
Don't forget Banshee, Syrin and Black Tom, The Cassidys. To add to Prf X's family, don't forget Legion, also Moria Mctagarts and son Protius. Also on the subject of mutants, Namor and Namorita

[Puuka]

Originally posted by AdamWarlock
If Marvel finally reveals a new Summers brother and it is NOT X-treme they made BIG mistake. For such an obscure character (only ever having appeared in one X-force annual, 2 issues of X-force, 1 of Captain Marvel V.2 *the 6-issue mid 90's run*, one of X-men and one panel in a second x-men issue before AOA), he sure is rememembered by a lot of people.

And I for one thought he was very interesting. Plus, there is just FAR too much evidence pointing to the fact that he's the 3rd brother to just ignore it and hope nobody notices.

First: yeah, he's half sh'iar. Corsair's wife was held captive in Emperor D'Ken's HAREM. X-treme could be the son of Karen Summers & D'ken.
SECOND: In that one issue of X-men where Xtreme appeared, he was randomly strolling around some arctic environment where he just happens to stumble across the downed plane of Cyclops' grandfather and feels a deep connection with the man. X-treme brings grandpa Summers to safety where they are met by Jean Grey, who, once Xtreme leaves, just so happens to openly proclaim how she feels their family to have somehow been brought closer together.

If Marvel has all that out there and then they just ignore it all to bring in some new goon or even naming Gambit as the lost brother (ridiculous) without so much as MENTIONING X-treme... they should all be shot.

Why can't they both be brothers? why not have 4 siblings. As has been pointed out, Corsair was a pilot and a "Space Pirate" to boot. gets in to port, has too much to drink and, well one thing leads to another...

[lusiphur]

So, how dissapointing was it to find out the 3rd brother was Vulcan?

[Daky]

Ok so consider this.

The 3rd summer brother is the oldest, and NOT a mutant. he lives a normal life with wife and KIDS. and these kids are genetically destined to become mutants.

Its only my opinion, and this would make a good story line, easily inserted and doesn't make gambit a 3rd Brother.