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ibeatdrew
08/29/2011, 22:50
clixcast_ep86.jpgEpisode 86: Silk Spectre Spoiler!This week Steve and Gudda get their hands on the Silk Spectre and give their thoughts on the latest preview for the Upcoming Watchman Fast Forces Pack!P51684d4d5af291d8ad22b378bd42fdd5Yl5wS1REZGN9
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Ok, if I could keep her within 4 of both of them, she would be a beast. I think I would use her sometimes, and the other one sometimes, just depends. I like her well enough.
I predict someone is going to charge five squares and then realize they no longer have perplex or flurry.
Action_Jackson
08/30/2011, 09:03
See, now I'd easily play these dials over the old ones.
KillerSavage
08/30/2011, 09:17
Nice. Very playable especially along with her teammates. I'm just wondering if rorschach is going to be 125 points. Seems a little much for him but could make for an interesting dial.
Great Review of Silk Spectre.
I like that she does have damage potential down her dial. 4 squares is kind a close to have to stay in order to activate the trait.
Still listening to the Podcast about the "Secret Dial"
Thrumble Funk
08/30/2011, 09:24
Can't see the dial for some reason. I blame my firewall.
Roderic_Cliche
08/30/2011, 09:31
What happens if she's within 4 of the "Jon Osterman: Dr. Manhattan" figure? Does she get the self-Perplex or not?
Granite Moose
08/30/2011, 09:33
Not too shabby. She should be an interesting addition to a team. If you're able to work the trait power, then she should more than redeem her cost. If not, it will be more tricky. Keeping her in close combat and hidden from ranged attacks will be key in getting the most out of her dial.
agrippa1737
08/30/2011, 09:42
They are saving the best for last.
Munchoboy
08/30/2011, 09:45
Can't see the dial for some reason. I blame my firewall.
Budpalmer says attached for the firewall impaired!
spike1138
08/30/2011, 09:46
BudPalmer is impressed with Laurie's new dial... among other things.
Quebbster
08/30/2011, 09:56
What happens if she's within 4 of the "Jon Osterman: Dr. Manhattan" figure? Does she get the self-Perplex or not?
Is his name "Dr Manhattan"?
Trader2699
08/30/2011, 09:59
Budpalmer thinks this is a great representation of Silk Spectre!
NeoShazam
08/30/2011, 10:03
Nice dial. She can be ferocious.
red king
08/30/2011, 10:06
Yup, gonna need 2 of these sets. My kids will be wanting to play them too.
Thrumble Funk
08/30/2011, 10:06
Not bad. I'm not as big a fan of her as I am of the other spoiled dials, but there's some solid versatility there, and I love the synergistic trait!
traitorarmor
08/30/2011, 10:07
Nice, she turned out really good.
Hmmmmmm...... she's 75 pts.........Manhatten is 150 pts......I might actually finaly give sidekick a shot.....
Sidekick 10 Points
Choose two characters: The first character must have a point value at least twice that of the second character. The two characters must be adjacent in order to use this feat. Neither character may carry the other.
(optional) The second character uses the first character's defense value instead of its own when it is attacked by an opposing character.
She's good to start with.....but if she had a 18+2 in close combat that should be worth the points. Just have to make sure Night Owl is the one carring her around.
This is the first one that I've been disappointed in. I just don't think she offers enough to get picked over the 46 point Mockingbird 2.0. She's not terrible, and if you consistently keep her by her lovers, she could surprise...that just seems like too much effort for the diminishing returns. I'd rather have my mobile tie up with a 19 up close that can shift to mobile enhanced/pot shooter when she takes a hit.
Roderic_Cliche
08/30/2011, 10:11
Mmm. So a no-go on the working alongside the Osterman figure. I understand the literal difference according to the game, and that's OK, but it's stuff like this (and the difference between Flash/The Flash while Dr./Doctor or Mr./Mister is OK) that makes me long for the days of "figure whose name contains. . ." from Star Wars Miniatures.
Oh well. Still a really good figure for her 75.
ibeatdrew
08/30/2011, 10:15
I can't wait for this to hit the street. I'll be playing Watchman teams for a few weeks I think.
Is it too much to ask for a power cosmic 12 range hss Silk spectre with a 50% roll out for 75 points...
Seriously though pretty nice fig for the points if played on a watchmen team.
mattsolo
08/30/2011, 11:16
Great clix cast guys, next time though keep the dirty card flopper talk to your selves ;)
RedDragon
08/30/2011, 13:09
mini rant alert. once again i'm p'ed off on this set. i love watchmen! both the book & the movie. how is this better?!!! 75 pts. to 46 pts., trait that makes her stay close. when she has a SP that give her both with stealth & LC!! she had a opening 17 defense with CCR. that's now a 16. with the protection of stealth. so she'll get shot to hell long before you can base someone! watchmen have NO TK!!!!! i've played the set a lot & they where all good. well mask killer, silk spectre, rorschach, & his AE, dr manhattan 275 pts, silk spectredr manhattan duo, comedian, bubastis, big head, moioch, knot heads, & larry & mike. all good & fun to play.
This is the set version or the fast forces version? I'm guessing not the fast forces cause the set number isn't 102...
A Watchmen
08/30/2011, 13:30
This Silk Spectre is very good IMO. She's definitely a good figure the entire dial as opposed to the 46pt version which slows down at click 3. The Watchmen FF set is 3-2 for me now. Here's hoping Rorschach is absolutely awesome and has some power representing how he brought the team back together.
Geof-Force
08/30/2011, 13:40
She's great on a team with both Manhattan and Nite Owl, since the trait is not an either or thing and the 3 of them work out to a nice 300 pt team. Moving to the next preview... does this mean Rorschach is a 125 point figure?
A Watchmen
08/30/2011, 13:49
She's great on a team with both Manhattan and Nite Owl, since the trait is not an either or thing and the 3 of them work out to a nice 300 pt team. Moving to the next preview... does this mean Rorschach is a 125 point figure?
I'm crossing my fingers on that one, if Rorschach was the beast of this set that would be awesome.
She's great on a team with both Manhattan and Nite Owl, since the trait is not an either or thing and the 3 of them work out to a nice 300 pt team. Moving to the next preview... does this mean Rorschach is a 125 point figure?
Man I hope not. That'd be right there with 157 Deadpool and 90 Gambit as 'Figs that cost more than I feel they should in 300 format'.
Not that I think they're overcosted...just that I feel like on 300 teams, those characters should be taking up less room.
traitorarmor
08/30/2011, 13:51
Moving to the next preview... does this mean Rorschach is a 125 point figure?
That, sir, is a darn good question.
I had similar thoughts but I can't see him being that expensive. My first thought was that he would get bumped up to 75 pts like the other 3 (NO, Ozy, and Silk)........but the points aren't going to work out very well.
Ignatz_Mouse
08/30/2011, 13:54
Not really excited by this dial. The Collector's Set one trumps it easily.
A Watchmen
08/30/2011, 13:55
Man I hope not. That'd be right there with 157 Deadpool and 90 Gambit as 'Figs that cost more than I feel they should in 300 format'.
Not that I think they're overcosted...just that I feel like on 300 teams, those characters should be taking up less room.
I have to agree, as much as I like Rorschach in both the comic and the film. I don't really see him being more than 100pts. But we've seen crazier things happen.
tenketsu
08/30/2011, 14:14
Mmm. So a no-go on the working alongside the Osterman figure. I understand the literal difference according to the game, and that's OK, but it's stuff like this (and the difference between Flash/The Flash while Dr./Doctor or Mr./Mister is OK) that makes me long for the days of "figure whose name contains. . ." from Star Wars Miniatures.
Oh well. Still a really good figure for her 75.
Actually, "figures whose name contains" is used in HeroClix, sometimes. Star Wars Minis did one better, with a functional Highlander rule driven by "Counts as (Luke Skywalker)" as part of the rules with figures such as "Luke Skywalker, Rebel Hero" and "Luke Skywalker on Tauntaun". It's why I liked the Highlander rule in Star Wars Minis and staunchly oppose it in HeroClix--the game rules in Star Wars Minis implemented it cleanly and without need for interpretation, whereas in HeroClix it's a sticky mess of judgement calls.
There are many concepts that SWM did better than HeroClix, and I wish they'd steal some of them, especially now that SWM is no more.
I'm really looking forward to the FF Pack!
In the meantime I'm just enjoying watching this unfold... and am finding myself more interested in seeing who still has the collector's set for sale -- at a good price, of course.
I have to agree, as much as I like Rorschach in both the comic and the film. I don't really see him being more than 100pts. But we've seen crazier things happen.
Right. On the other hand, we've seen crazy power levels crammed into 100 pts and less, too.
I continue to watch with interest.
WestCoastAvengers
08/30/2011, 14:47
The synergy is a nice touch.
Another day, another horribly overcosted FF Watchmen fig.
Another day, another horribly overcosted FF Watchmen fig.
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A Watchmen
08/30/2011, 17:51
Right. On the other hand, we've seen crazy power levels crammed into 100 pts and less, too.
I continue to watch with interest.
True, he could very well be extremely overpowered for his point cost. I'm totally happy with that as I think this set needs one more good figure to round it out.
minideadpool
08/30/2011, 17:56
Man I hope not. That'd be right there with 157 Deadpool and 90 Gambit as 'Figs that cost more than I feel they should in 300 format'.
Not that I think they're overcosted...just that I feel like on 300 teams, those characters should be taking up less room.
As far as Deadpool is concerned. It really depends on whom hes fighting and how many guns and weapons hes bringing. I think the 157 point version is showing him at his most dangerous. 157 points is after a big payday and he could afford to buy new guns, extra ammo and more explosives.
mini rant alert. once again i'm p'ed off on this set. i love watchmen! both the book & the movie. how is this better?!!! 75 pts. to 46 pts., trait that makes her stay close. when she has a SP that give her both with stealth & LC!! she had a opening 17 defense with CCR. that's now a 16. with the protection of stealth. so she'll get shot to hell long before you can base someone! watchmen have NO TK!!!!! i've played the set a lot & they where all good. well mask killer, silk spectre, rorschach, & his AE, dr manhattan 275 pts, silk spectredr manhattan duo, comedian, bubastis, big head, moioch, knot heads, & larry & mike. all good & fun to play.
Why do you keep talking about stealth? Neither version has any stealth.
vampricyoda
08/30/2011, 18:47
Could Rorschach be only 25 points instead of 125? I'm sorry but Rorschach should never be close to Dr. Manhattan in point cost. . .
A Watchmen
08/30/2011, 19:16
Could Rorschach be only 25 points instead of 125? I'm sorry but Rorschach should never be close to Dr. Manhattan in point cost. . .
That occurred to me as well, making the FF Watchmen round out at 500, but I think 25 for Rorschach is too low for what he should be capable of. If he reaches anywhere near 100 or 125, I believe it will be more due to Traits or Special Powers that unify the team and not overall numbers. I'm hoping for something very unique anyway.
That occurred to me as well, making the FF Watchmen round out at 500, but I think 25 for Rorschach is too low for what he should be capable of. If he reaches anywhere near 100 or 125, I believe it will be more due to Traits or Special Powers that unify the team and not overall numbers. I'm hoping for something very unique anyway.
I'm guess Rorschach for 75 pts like the rest. I could see him at 100 like Comedian since he never quit being a vigilante. But if any figure in the set was going to be 125 it should of been Ozymandias.
RedDragon
08/30/2011, 21:54
Why do you keep talking about stealth? Neither version has any stealth.
good catch. i stand corrected. but she still sucks! well fingers for sure well blue fingers.
A Watchmen
08/30/2011, 22:14
I'm guess Rorschach for 75 pts like the rest. I could see him at 100 like Comedian since he never quit being a vigilante. But if any figure in the set was going to be 125 it should of been Ozymandias.
I agree with that 100%. Ozymandias should have been far better than either of the versions we've been given. Both the 83pt and 75pt version are certainly playable, but I don't think either of them accurately depicts the man from both the film and the comics.
If another character is going to be 100pts though, I do think they could justify making Rorschach 100pts or more so long as he has Traits that make him unique to the others. But I'd honestly be surprised if he was more than 75.
good catch. i stand corrected. but she still sucks! well fingers for sure well blue fingers.
I think you're judging this figure way too soon. Yes, she loses her front loaded 17 with CCR but she has Perplex to back her up on that and has better numbers on her dial overall. She's still a threat late dial, just like the new Ozy over the 83pt Ozy, which makes her worth playing.
agrippa1737
08/30/2011, 22:20
Could Rorschach be only 25 points instead of 125? I'm sorry but Rorschach should never be close to Dr. Manhattan in point cost. . .
Yeah a nice lean mean 25 point Rorschach that everyone will be using for years
of course they could have him at 125 points and say he is from KINGDOM COME. You know he was better there because he was in the bar hanging with the question, spirit, sherlock holmes and...well...everyone else is better in KC so he would be better also...yeah
okagenologan
08/31/2011, 01:59
I would totally buy and play Conan, Red Sonja, and Rocketeer HeroClix! Bring EM!
konasavage
09/26/2011, 18:25
I rather enjoyed the Lex Leuger reference.
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