Who is the best Mind Controller in HC?

[irweasel]

I have a team that is based around Veteran Doc Strange and Veteran Xavier. But here is the problem I've realized that for 83 points Xavier is pretty much a one trick pony. Sure he has leadership but if you outwit his mind control he can't do nothing offensively. So I have been thinking of replacing him.
I am looking at maybe the unique Moondragon.
But the real question is who is the best MC in the game? Since I love using other players figs against themselves.

BTW heres my team.
http://www.hcrealms.com/cgi-bin/quickviewteam.cgi?teamname=IrweaselsSmarties&username=irweasel&action=graphic

[Angelofhate]

E White Queen is my favorite mind controller. for 80 pts you get Mind Control, Psychic Blast, Super Senses and Leadership.

[Manchine]

Have to say (E) White Queen is more of a Mind Controling giant. Moondragon only has 2 kliqs of it. While (E) White queen has it for 4 kliqs. Plus Psychic Blast though the whole dial.

[gaspar]

I second Angelofhate's nomination of E White Queen. For the points, she is much more powerful than most, plus comes with a stack of great powers. Really a strong figure.

Later,
gaspar

[Starfire]

The best has to be Moondragon

Here's why.
Flying
10 Range
Mind Control
Telekinisis
Super Senses
2 Damage
Psychic Blast

Last but definitely not least:
2 clix of Regeneration

All this for 71 points is amazing.

Not only is she an excellent Mind Controller, she is also very versatile.
The Regeneration meens she stays around for awhile even if she gets hit.
She is also 9 points cheeper than Exp White Queen.

[_/\seis.MIC/\_]

I'd go w/ an E White Queen. She has MC for 4 clicks as well as Psycic Blast all the way down her dial. Plus, she has Leadership & Super Senses too. 8 range and an attack of 10 round her out, all for only 80pts. V Prof. X has a range of 10, which is nice, but I like WQ better because of her Psycic Blast & Super Senses.

Moondragon's ok; TK can be useful, and she's only 71pts, but you have to make your SS rolls, as she only has MC for 2 clicks. The Regen she has is nice, as well as the ability to fly, but I personally think she sucks. Everytime I've used her, she's the first to die:disappoin.

If you're looking for straight MC, Professor X is your guy; 10 range, 11 attack, and Defend (which partnered up w/, say, R Invisible Girl & someone w/ RCE, like Bullseye or Cyclops is a deadly combo), ain't nothin' to sneeze at.

E White Queen is my favorite; that nifty Psycic Blast can be INCREDIBLY effective against "bricks", allowing her to be effective when MC is not an option (if you don't want to take a click for the whole "100 pts or more" rule, or the other fig. has Battle Fury).

Try'em all!

[sdkid86]

Personally is like The Key...just becuase he has outwitt, not to expensive, super senses, and mind control...but that only for fun...

If i actually want to play, I generally would use Mooddragon, just bases on the fact that 10 ranges is awesome and have her carry Invisible Girl and she can become a powerhouse...hee hee...

But, I do know thing...i more and more sets come out...i fear that the master of mind control...say Professor X....will be made obsolete...just on the basis there are alreadly better mind controling pieces.

Also, honorable metions: gorilla grodd, white queen, dark sied (spelling?), and puppet master <---just becuase his veteran and a batman team member rocks!!!:laugh:

[LuckyJ]

I would go with the U professor X or the Vet X. Their attack values are through the roof and they've both got, I think, 7 clicks of life. And 5 or 6 clicks of MC.

The Unique can do damage, though. And even though it's only one, it can really matter.

[Sho-nuff]

I'd have to go with Vet Prof. X simply because his 10 range, high attack and tons of MC push him past Exp White Queen in my opinion. She can hold her own, but if you're looking to make MC a crucial point of your team, you wouldn't leave Prof. X out on a limb alone anyway, he'd need support.

Although, this could all change dramatically after people start playing Mandarin, The Leader and, after some damage, the newest Elektra ...

-S

[darius_dax1]

Professor X is more of a support piece for a ranged combatant. His defend will help most figures in the game and if somebody gets in b2b with the ranger, Prof. X can MC the opponent away.

[irweasel]

I think I am leaning towards Moondragon cause despite that she has only two clicks of MC she can fly and she can outrange Firelord.

[darius_dax1]

I would like to add that White Queen (R/E) is a great MCer that can defend herself pretty well, as well as being able to penetrate Invulnerability without OUTWIT. Moondragon is a good all-around piece;) , she can taxi and tk, plus mc and psychic blast. Moondragon has a great range as well!

[Ando]

Controller's MC has short range (4), but pair him up w/ a cheap taxi like Vulture or Wasp and he is a highly effective piece. If the base him he gets Toughness and superstrength. He also has the highest attack of any MCer: 12 on his best click of his Vet version - which is still only 69 points.:cool:

[skforeman]

it's close between E White Queen and U Moondragon. both have a lot of powers and pluses, but having seen the Queen take out some bricks thanks to her psychic blast, i've gotta go with her.

[darius_dax1]

Moondragon has Psychic Blast after 2 clix which replaces Telekenesis.

[PaxZRake]

V Mandarin

I haven't played him yet, but wow I can't wait to.
I find the Enchantress to be pretty nice looking as well, haven't played her yet though.

[irweasel]

Yeah but he is a lot of points. And isn't a little redundant to give him MC and incapacitate on the same clic?

[Grethor]

Originally posted by irweasel
Yeah but he is a lot of points. And isn't a little redundant to give him MC and incapacitate on the same clic?

The only thing I can figure on that is that he has it so if someone with battle fury is coming at him he can still force a token on them?


And speaking of great mind controlers... what about Vet Puppetmaster? No seriously... put vet bullseye and r invisable girl with him and he has an 11 attack and 18 defense.... never mind, who am I kidding. He still sucks more then Moondragon and exp White Queen.... :)


Grethor

[Jason Blood]

uhh Unique Xplosion Elektra is pretty nice but I would actually have to go with the leader only because he has willpower and perplex

[Thor665]

Greetings,

I would actually like to suggest a E Mad Hatter. No really! Just consider this little combo;

Bane + Mad Hatter + taxis + perplexers. (perplexers are optional fun)

You fly up Bane and start swinging on somebody. 'Oh toodles!' they say, cause I mean, c'mon, it's frickin' Bane pounding on them. Then you grin and drop Mad Hatter next to Bane, boom, Mad Hatter has a 10 att mind control.

Wait, it gets better.

Perplex up Bane's attack. He's already attacked, so you won't lose out on his CCE, now Mad Hatter has a 11+ mind control attack. And you know what? for those 40 odd points you paid for him who cares if he takes a click of push damage?

Mind control V Thor! Mind control V Doom! Mind control LE Supes! Mind control Savage Hulk! Then use them to crush your foes.

Now here comes another goodie. What are the chances they worry about Mad Hatter more then Bane? low to none. If they damage Bane low enough perplex up Hatter to boost him, or if Bane is better (more likely) attack again and then perplex to boost Hatter.

Now push Hatter to MC another big gun. Oooh, I'm killing my weak as heck MC unit who my opponent laughed at. So what? You now control another of his big pieces. Keep going until you've pushed Hatter to death or your opponent swats him in annoyance.

I've had this tactic work rather well for me in a few games...though sometimes it doesn't go well at all. That's whn you can shrug and say 'yeah, but I was playing Mad Hatter!' Oh yeah...that gets them everytime.

Regards,
Thor.

[Xtreme Dawg]

Moondragon is definitely top mind controller! Exp. White Queen is gotta be next. Then the Prof. X if he's not outwitted first.

[ffisthebest]

what about veteran gorrila grodd he has 8 range mind control and you can definitely use him as a fighter if his mind control gets outwitted

[ffisthebest]

what about veteran gorrila grodd he has 8 range mind control and you can definitely use him as a fighter if his mind control gets outwitted

[irweasel]

I think I'm gonna try that Mad Hatter team at the next DC tournament I go to.
Thanks

[Spidersense]

I like White Queen too, but I prefer Moondragon. Here are two of my 300 pt teams that use her. I have had great success with that 10 range MC.

Strange Daze 300
V Dr. Strange
U Moondragon
U Nightcrawler
E Shield Medic
E Black Cat
E Shield Agent

Logan 300
V Logan
U Moondragon
E Black Cat
U Wasp
V Cyclops
E Shield Medic

I dont mix bad guys with good guys if you are wondering about some of my choices.

[jolt]

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Originally posted by irweasel
Yeah but he is a lot of points. And isn't a little redundant to give him MC and incapacitate on the same clic?
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The only thing I can figure on that is that he has it so if someone with battle fury is coming at him he can still force a token on them?

Also, you might not want to take the click of damage necessary to MC those high cost figures.

jolt

[Jay10]

I think the coolest mind controller Gorilla Grodd. He's got an awsome sculp and I think it's always fun to have a telepathic gorilla on a team.

Best mind controllers of all is most likely White Queen. Though Darkseid and Mandarin are both pretty cool.

Also, U Enchantress and V Controller make a good combo because of the MoE team ability. Same with V B13, V Grodd, and their IL team ability.

[rabidroadkill]

Now with Xplosion out, I have to say V Mandarin: 12 range (can be perplexed up), 11 AV. The main point I think many people are missing is that he also has Outwit, meaning he can get rid of that Battle Fury and still MC. This is going to be devastating on outdoor maps, especially the original Marvel one.

[Silver Viper]

Man V Mandarian is by far the best. That fig has a ton of tricks up his sleave. Outwit, 12 Range, 11 attack, es/d with 17 D, incap, 3 damage, and ofcourse MC. I've played a few games and he is awsome! Put him next to R invisible girl and a medic and hes almost unstoppable. I think that hes probably the best all around fig from xplosion. You want a good fig go with Mandarian.

[srb23x]

I think the Unique Elektra from Xplosion actually might be one of the better mind controllers (Seriously). She has Perplex and Super Senses down her dial, but at the cost of 160 points and only a mid-range of 6. However, she has somethingf no other mind controller has of yet, and that's two bolts, i.e., she can mind controller two figures as one action.

[Thor666]

For a tournament army..... rook white queen........ just for mind control..... experianced...... thats a good bit o mind control with not so ####py an attack value.......

[panther_king]

As of today, I would say the new Unique Electra...

Mind control 2 target with her crazy AV? sign me up

Though, she is #### expensive. But you guys said best Mind Controller, not most point efficient :p

[TreLude]

Hey irweasel,

Quick question ... (sorry guys i had to ask.) how did you make a page like your "Smarties" Line-up? That looks great ... hit me back when you can thx.

[kdog13]

i agree with panther king def the new unique electra

[TreLude]

Hey irweasel,

Quick question ... (sorry guys i had to ask.) how did you make a page like your "Smarties" Line-up? That looks great ... hit me back when you can thx.:eek:

[TreLude]

OK nvm i figured it out ...
(some times i get a little lazy and find it's easier to just ask a Q.)

[Comte]

Hrm well I think that the question needs to be looked at under this light, how do you intend on useing mindcontrol? I'f you just wish to mindcontrol other people's figgures and make them dance, then by all means go with vet mandarin. I mean he has 12 range, he dose 4 damage, and a bloody wonderful attack value. He is a very happy figgure and while he may be expensive, you can definatly get your money's worth if you use him right.

Now if you want a cheaper solution to Mandarin I would personaly go with exp White Queen over Moondragon. This is mostly because I like mindblast thingus power. I also like being able to mind control someone if it is conveinent. If it isn't conveinet then shooting them is a peachy alternative.

Also the leader should be looked into as one of the gods of mindcontrol. Yes he dose have relatively low damage but once you perplex up his attack value it reaches 10 which is as good as everyone else that has been named. His range 6 is rather depressing but the fact that he has willpower can offest this quite a bit when you think about it. He could be used to marvelouse effect if you are carful. I am unsure as to how well he would do on a reverse taxi team. He is a little pricey but other than that I can see him becoming a bundle of happieness. Especily if you used a batman as a beatstick.

However, if you would like to use the reverse taxi stradigy where you mindcontrol somoene into a flaming pit of pain then you will most likely want to go with moondragon backed up with a vet checkmate medic. The problem that you can run into with the reverse taxi is that you will make the sacrifice and grabe a vet doom, then suddenly realize that you can't get doom to your own guys for execution. With moondragon you have the choise to either use mindcontrol to make them walk under thier own control, or tk to move them the extra mile should you of acidently moved to far fowards.

Okay I am just about done. It just occured to me that not everyone may be aware what a reverse taxi team is so I'll let you know.

Reverse Taxi: Originaly called the professor x shuffle, it is the stradigy where you mindcontrol someone and use thier movement to bring them base to base with some of your other charecters. Tradtionaly they are brough base to base with two B/C/F's and someone who is just a beatstick when it comes to damage...herc for example. Anyway it is a fairly brutal tactic that is good for killing figgures outright so you can avoid the hunt the medic game.

As for the unique elektra. The problem is getting her to that third click without someone running up and smacking her. You see once you are on that third click you may feel special but your hold on it will be tenouse at best. We have been playing with our unique elektra all night and while some magical things happen when she is on that click...it is both a signifigant chalange to get her there, and then to keep her there. That click looks snazzy on paper but using her with that intension is problematic.

On a personal note the key is my favorite mindcontroller. He's lucky.

[GonzoDracus]

Definately WizKids. They have mind controlled ALL of us into buying the game and to their credit obsessing most of us. We actually get online and discuss the game. If that isn't mind control Im not sure what is. Let's see:

WizKids

MOVEMENT: not too fast but not too slow either (exp. keep coming every 3 to 4 months), with flying (how else are the shipments arriving here in PR? unless they had phasing which I doubt it... never saw it done in the comics :-P)

ATTACK: Although it starts very high (come on, every new set we spend a LOT of $$$$), the more clix one gets the less money is spent (to get the figures that are needed).

DEFENSE: All those clix of SuperSenses and Impervious must be working magic (trick dice, Im sure of it) cause they seem to do no wrong.

DAMAGE: Only to the players wallets. Maybe lovers lost (for lack of attention) or college/work time reduced. And it does perplex the mind as to..

erm, sorry... got bored...

as for the question... definately Prof X for doing MC but for versatility EXP White Queen.

sorry for the rest...
jejejjejjee

[sdkid86]

But still...you all are missing a huge factor for moondragon...she has really low attack values after the first click...after that she is just a annoying clix...that is just sitting there...

but I do agree with Ando...Controller is awesome..but everyone has to seee....Veteran Puppet Master rocks especially with say a Robin on his team....:grin:

[sdkid86]

I see that the concensus among most people is that Moondragon is the best MC...but what you have to realize is that after a few clix she is really bad...but maybe that's for all clixs...except for one....VETERAN CONTROLLER...he has to be the most useful and offensive hitter out there alongside Gorilla Grodd and of couse...Veteran Puppet Master :p

[sdkid86]

sorry...i posted twice...darn computer...grrrrrrrr

[arsuf476]

actually i would say the two best mindcontollers are V brainiac 13 and darkseid. both can do more the just mind control. briniaic has 11 attack and rce for 4 damage, plus a decent 8 range and flying, all a very nice package for 133 pts. darkseid has everything controller has going for him and then some in a more predictiable dial with an 8 range. both figures would be the center piece of a 300 pt team but both can take it.
Mandrin is the best in marvel, hands down, though im partial to darkseid, gotta love that outwit and psychic blast for three on the same click :)

[TedKord]

DOOD! Veteran Puppet Master... when used with the right people he's awesome. 4 range is kinda constricting but if used with a couple of doombots, a batman enemy and experienced Klaw he's the man... he's a weakling with 5 clicks of life but for 12 attack mind control for 42 points he's cost efficient as well as handy with the team abilities.

[TedKord]

DOOD! Veteran Puppet Master... when used with the right people he's awesome. 4 range is kinda constricting but if used with a couple of doombots, a batman enemy and experienced Klaw he's the man... he's a weakling with 5 clicks of life but for 12 attack mind control for 42 points he's cost efficient as well as handy with the team abilities.

[TedKord]

DOOD! Veteran Puppet Master... when used with the right people he's awesome. 4 range is kinda constricting but if used with a couple of doombots, a batman enemy and experienced Klaw he's the man... he's a weakling with 5 clicks of life but for 12 attack mind control for 42 points he's cost efficient as well as handy with the team abilities.

[TedKord]

Oops... kinda spread that one out wrong... but if you borrow (using batman enemy) Klaw's 10 attack and use the Hydra ability twice you've got 12 so that's why i meant :confused:

[*!Arkangel!*]

I would say Moondragon and Darkseid....Both are good for a lot more than just mind control.....Moondragon is very cost effective, has a great attack and defense to start out with, and makes a first rate taxi.....I have devastated many a player throwing my spiral into battle with moonie's TK...Also, I have had Moondragon last about six attacks without even being hit, as a result of her supersenses.....Darkseid is not quite as cost effective, but is a phenomenal figure all the same...His Impervious makes him fear only the heaviest hitters, his Outwit is extremely useful, and his psychic blast lets him ignore that pesky invuln, to deal a solid three clicks....Both of these are first rate figures....:classic:

[Corwin]

Moondragon's ok; TK can be useful, and she's only 71pts, but you have to make your SS rolls, as she only has MC for 2 clicks. The Regen she has is nice, as well as the ability to fly, but I personally think she sucks. Everytime I've used her, she's the first to die.

Ever wonder why she's the first to die? She is feared by many. I love to have her taxi someone like Bane and if she doesn't have a ready target for MC, TK the brute into action. I've MC'd a White Queen to MC a Doc Samson to kill off his Doombot taxi! SS can be worth 2 clicks of life on average, and it's nice to be able to regen when a medic is halfway across the board. When someone trieds to tie her up B2B, TK the lout to Bane or to Black Panther and Elektra.

She's not invulnerable, to be sure, but for the cost, she fits real well in the 300-pt game environment. She shoulda been an Avenger! but I'm very pleased to have her on my teams.

Corwin

[osh11102]

I did a similar stunt like Cronin. I had my proffessor x with 10 range mind control darkseid who then mindcontrolled LE superman into killing his medic. Darkseid lost 2 clix supes lost one to pushing and his medic was ko'd for 5 clix. My professor x took one damage who immediately got it back when a full health Wolverine took the damage from him. All in all a pretty devestating attack.

OSH

[WhiteRabbit909]

Even though I haven't played him yet, I would have to say that Veteran Mandarin is one of the best Mind Controllers in the game. Let's look at the facts:

Flying
12 Range
8 Speed with Mind Control
11 Attack with Incapacitate
17 Defense with Energy Deflection
3 Damage with Outwit

Later on, his Combat Dial gains Barrier, Range Combat Expert, and Willpower.

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"In the name of God, impure souls of the living dead shall be banished into eternal ####ation. Amen."

- Hellsing

[osh11102]

I like the idea of having 2 Madhatters.... that way with their beefed up attack they can mindcontrol the same character twice in the same turn. and cause some serious trouble especially if they have a mindcontroller and a heavy hitter like supes or Thor or doom.....

Course this is dependent upon how many action tokens your opponent has at the beginning of play.

OSH

[Ro-gan]

Elektra: Assassin.

'Nuff said!

[osh11102]

its to bad Elektra can't mind control the same guy twice

[KaiserSelroc]

Yeah, Manderin is the best. He's the only Marvel fig with MC and Outwit. Nobody is safe, not even characters with battle furry!

[MeatLoafX]

Mind Control is my absolute favorite power. The best, IMHO are:

Darkseid (for versatility - you can use him for just about anything!)
V Mandarin (expensive, but that range is great and can have other uses - like outwit and big damage)
E White Queen (versatility is the key - MC or PB... both terrific)
Moondragon (all about the options. Sometimes I like having her MC, sometimes her TK is what I need. For just MC, though, there are better pieces)
Gorilla Grodd (an ape. with mind control. need I say more? Ok, how about his interesting dial?)
Controller (no, I'm not kidding. He's just about the BEST figure to MC those over 100 point figs. You need a taxi, but he just gets better when he mind controls for those first clicks - and he turns into a bruiser if you need it)

[VladDrakul]

Puppet Master (veteran) as mentioned before can be awesome. In addition to Batman Enemy, include Batman and and Superman abilities so Puppet Master can use stealth from Batman and can hit anyone by copying Supes.

[MeatLoafX]

There was a popular Ultron/Puppet Master team for a while that was fun - it gave PM a 13 attack and 18 DF by including Sinister Synd and a Defender.

[Puuka]

I like V/LE Puppet Master on a Sin/Syn team with E Ultron, you only have a 4 range, but he will never drop bellow 10 attack and with Bullseye and Ultron, you can pick them off from a distance

Count Number Name Rank Faction Points Attack
1, C077, Doctor Octopus, Experienced, Sinister Syndicate, 44, 10
1, I063, Puppet Master, Veteran, Minions of Doom, 42, 7
1, I095, Whirlwind, Experienced, Sinister Syndicate, 32, 8
1, I102, Bullseye, Veteran, Sinister Syndicate, 43, 11
1, I134, Ultron, Experienced, Minions of Doom, 139, 13

This report created by Battle Planner (www.battleplanner.com)

[MeatLoafX]

I would trade out one SS guy for a defender. (Iceman, Beast, or even E Dr. Strange). That way, PM gets an 18 defense. Otherwise,it's bye-bye PM.

[Wytstagg]

Well, its either V Professer or E White Queen for me, and I will usually go with E White Queen cause if she gets outwitted she still have something else to back up the punch with, Professer X doesn't...so thats my deciding factor. Though if I have one MC'er I usually have two. And if I decide to make a team of MC'ers I would use E White Queen, Professer X, Moondragon and U Sauron.

[Quasarswill]

I would say either Moondragon or Mojo
Moondragon range 10 granted only two clicks of mindcontrol but two clicks of tk and 5 clicks of Super senses two clicks of psychic blast and two clicks of regen plus flyer and then there Mojo 5 clicks of mind c and 2 incapacitate 2 poison 3 steal energy and 2 toughness 2 leadership 3 perplex and a flyer

thats just my 2 cents

[Puuka]

Originally posted by Quasarswill
I would say either Moondragon or Mojo
Moondragon range 10 granted only two clicks of mindcontrol but two clicks of tk and 5 clicks of Super senses two clicks of psychic blast and two clicks of regen plus flyer and then there Mojo 5 clicks of mind c and 2 incapacitate 2 poison 3 steal energy and 2 toughness 2 leadership 3 perplex and a flyer

thats just my 2 cents

plus if someone tries to mind controll him, they take a point of damage (up until XP, he was the only MC'er 100 points or over)

[MaWziR]

Truth is, I always think of Experienced White Queen as the most effective mind controller, however my Favorite is Brainiac 13 Veteran. He's alot of points, but if you plan around him he's really quite versatile. Not only dose he do MindControl from 8 spuares away, but he also has long range expert, giving him the chance to do up to 4 clicks of damage!

[GroovyBoy]

In DC, you gotta go with V Brainiac, who backs up MC with RCE.

With Xplosion out, the best MCer is now V Mandarin, with a high AV and a 12 range, not to mention Outwit. If you're feeling nasty, you could vote for U Electra's dual MC attack, but I haven't used her yet myself and am not very keen on wishing damage on my figures in order to use abilities.

[RandMan2K2]

#### TedKord stole my whole point:p. People underrate V Puppet Master, but for the points you can't go wrong, especially with his team affiliation. He's the most cost efficient mind controller when teamed with Doombots. Hell, for 70 or so points you've got a lethal combination, especially with a Hydra backup. Shoot, you can pretty much reverse taxi anybody with that kind of AV. Unless you roll snake eyes this strategy will definitely make your opponent beleagured. I lost a Nightcrawler the other day, because I overlooked the four range that Mindcontrol carries. Left me looking like this::confused: with that green, quesy feeling. What a great game, strategy, luck and lots of sweet models.

[jolt]

I like the Leaders combination of MC, Willpower and Perplex on the same click but his range is just so blah.

jolt

[JoFo]

Controller is probably my favorite MCer for a few reasons:

1. He's very underrated. Many people never even gave mine a second glance until he actually gets into the fray and surprises them.

2. He has a mini version of "hulk up syndrome". Meaning, when he's fresh, he can MC a 100 point figure... and get stronger!

3. Not sure on this one, but he may be the only MCer with regeneration.

[Thor666]

Moon dragon regenerates in her I'm about to die clicks.....

[goldluster]

i like the leader. I know he has cruddy attack but he can still perplex himself or other people. So if his mc gets outwitted then he can just use his will power to get out of range or perplex himself to attack someone. then he can delay them even further with incapacitate.so if he does mc then it's outwitted on the next turn he could use incapacitate and make the opponent push then have to rest

[Liquid Havok]

Darkseid is the best hands down. Outwit, PB, and MC all together is too good to pass up. PLus Impervious to stand his ground. 5 clicks of outwit! He is a true beast.