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The past week has been a whirlwind. Since the lockout ended and Chris Paul made his intentions of not staying in New Orleans known, virtually every team with assets have been making overtures of how to get him. First the Knicks, then the Clippers, then Golden State, then the Lakers, then the Knicks again, finally settling on the Lakers. Then the league kills the deal. WTF?
There is going to be some real bad blood going on between owners and owners/players.
Commissioner,
It would be a travesty to allow the Lakers to acquire Chris Paul in the apparent trade being discussed.
This trade should go to a vote of the 29 owners of the Hornets.
Over the next three seasons this deal would save the Lakers approximately $20 million in salaries and approximately $21 million in luxury taxes. That $21 million goes to non-taxpaying teams and to fund revenue sharing.
I cannot remember ever seeing a trade where a team got by far the best player in the trade and saved over $40 million in the process. And it doesn’t appear that they would give up any draft picks, which might allow to later make a trade for Dwight Howard (They would also get a large trade exception that would help them improve their team and/or eventually trade for Howard.) When the Lakers got Pau Gasol (at the time considered an extremely lopsided trade) they took on tens of millions in additional salary and luxury tax and they gave up a number of prospects (one in Marc Gasol who may become a max-salary player).
I just don’t see how we can allow this trade to happen.
I know the vast majority of owners feel the same way that I do.
When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?
Please advise….
Dan G.
Why does this man have a franchise? Why did the league allow him in? What the hell man.
malakim2099
12/09/2011, 13:25
Dan Gilbert needs to suck it up. This is how the league works. Really, the Lakers open up cap space, but they aren't getting Howard (unless the owners veto the pending Nets trade).
Look, I am a Small Market Fan (GO JAZZ!) but you have to face reality. Reality is, Chris Paul IS NOT STAYING WITH THE HORNETS AFTER JULY 1!
The acting GM, looking for the best deal for his team, went with the Lakers because they get Odom, a bunch of good players/trade pieces from the Rockets, AND the Knicks 2012 #1 pick. It is a good deal, and a lot better than the nothing you get on July 1st when Paul leaves to be a free agent.
Personally, I thought this was a bad trade for the Lakers. Cap space aside, they need to have a deal for Marc Gasol worked out already or else they are going to be outsized and outmatched on the front court with Bynum as their only big of notoriety. I mean, sure, he's great at leveling undersized point guards when he's not injured, but other than that... ;)
mermaidmurder
12/09/2011, 13:25
it was a wtf moment paul wants out the lakers want to blow up their roster to get paul and howard. they get paul in a trade and then it gets canc it really sucks to be the players that got traded and then were told to go back. what do You think of chandler going to the Knicks?
mermaidmurder
12/09/2011, 13:27
wow howard is going to the nets i got to check that out brb.
wow howard is going to the nets i got to check that out brb.
Not any more. Magic filed tampering charges...holy hell. Can we put to rest now that the owners were in fact the dumber party in the lockout debacle?
it was a wtf moment paul wants out the lakers want to blow up their roster to get paul and howard. they get paul in a trade and then it gets canc it really sucks to be the players that got traded and then were told to go back. what do You think of chandler going to the Knicks?
It's a great pick up for the Knicks. That legitimately put them into contender status. A little more tweaking and you have the makings of a champion caliber team.
Potentially brittle as hell though, which worries me a little bit.
Dan Gilbert needs to suck it up. This is how the league works. Really, the Lakers open up cap space, but they aren't getting Howard (unless the owners veto the pending Nets trade).
Look, I am a Small Market Fan (GO JAZZ!) but you have to face reality. Reality is, Chris Paul IS NOT STAYING WITH THE HORNETS AFTER JULY 1!
The acting GM, looking for the best deal for his team, went with the Lakers because they get Odom, a bunch of good players/trade pieces from the Rockets, AND the Knicks 2012 #1 pick. It is a good deal, and a lot better than the nothing you get on July 1st when Paul leaves to be a free agent.
Personally, I thought this was a bad trade for the Lakers. Cap space aside, they need to have a deal for Marc Gasol worked out already or else they are going to be outsized and outmatched on the front court with Bynum as their only big of notoriety. I mean, sure, he's great at leveling undersized point guards when he's not injured, but other than that... ;)
And they opened up cap space to resign Paul with his bird rights at 100 mil or so putting them right back into luxury tax land. Seriously why did they let Dan Gilbert have a team?
Stern you are fooling no one
"Since the NBA purchased the New Orleans Hornets, final responsibility for significant management decisions lies with the Commissioner's Office in consultation with team chairman Jac Sperling. All decisions are made on the basis of what is in the best interests of the Hornets. In the case of the trade proposal that was made to the Hornets for Chris Paul, we decided, free from the influence of other NBA owners, that the team was better served with Chris in a Hornets uniform than by the outcome of the terms of that trade."
malakim2099
12/09/2011, 17:22
And they opened up cap space to resign Paul with his bird rights at 100 mil or so putting them right back into luxury tax land. Seriously why did they let Dan Gilbert have a team?
I don't know. I halfway understood his anger when LeBron left how he did. But this is just freaking ridiculous.
If you build a competitive team in a small market, you will keep players there. (See: San Antonio Spurs, Utah Jazz, Phoenix Suns.)
lensnart
12/09/2011, 17:52
Paul going to the Lakers would have been David Stern admitting that nothing had changed and the players won. While it is true that the players and big market teams were the clear winners of the lockout, and that very little is going to change in the "new" system, he can't say "we have a deal that will help small markets" one day and then screw over the small market team he runs the next.
What all of this does is make me wish the small market owners had stuck to their guns and not come back without a hard cap.
Odom for Paul even with draft picks and bench players is not a fair trade. Gasol would have been closer to a fair trade.Teams want Paul and while I agree that you need to trade him before July, I think you can get a lot more than a third or fourth option that is in the latter stages of his career, a few bench players, and pick in the late stages of the first round. A basketball team only really plays 8 or 9 guys a game and only relies on 5 or 6, if the Hornets are going to trade their number one guy away they need to get someone that can come close to filling that spot. Trading one for many works in hockey or football, but in basketball it is almost always a bad move.
Also I am glad the Warriors didn't get him. I think Stephen Curry is going to come into his own as an all-star this year and I would rather build my team's hopes on a rising talent than a guy that is prone to injury.
It wasn't just Odom. It was Odom, Scola, Martin and picks. From whom are the Hornets going to get a better deal from?
Granted not a champion team, but a team that could fight for a playoff spot.
Of course without Bynum for Howard, the Lakers aren't championship caliber either. And i'd think Orlando could do a better job than Bynum. Unless the Lakers could somehow swallow Hedo's contract, the Magic wouldn't do that deal anyway.
Though they did just send Bass to Boston for Big Baby, so Howard has to be on his way out. No way would he be happy with that swap.
malakim2099
12/09/2011, 19:16
Odom for Paul even with draft picks and bench players is not a fair trade. Gasol would have been closer to a fair trade.Teams want Paul and while I agree that you need to trade him before July, I think you can get a lot more than a third or fourth option that is in the latter stages of his career, a few bench players, and pick in the late stages of the first round.
Completely disagree. This was a very good deal for the Hornets, and would have made them a solid 5-8 team. Which is about where they are with Paul right now anyway. And frankly, with Paul's health issues... they are not going to get equal value. There is no pressure on teams to offer a superstar for superstar trade precisely because Paul becomes a free agent this July.
In this case, you have to get the best deal you can for him. And this is, really, the best deal.
Ok no picks were involved. But really are the Hornets going to get something better?
lensnart
12/10/2011, 01:06
I think they can definately do better than an aging third option and two bench players. Plus they would be handing the Lakers a title. But really what it boils down to is Stern not wanting to admit that he got hosed by the players and the big market teams. Paul will move, and probably soon, but I would be shocked if he went to a team like LA, Dallas, NY, Boston, or Miami.
malakim2099
12/10/2011, 01:48
I think they can definately do better than an aging third option and two bench players. Plus they would be handing the Lakers a title. But really what it boils down to is Stern not wanting to admit that he got hosed by the players and the big market teams. Paul will move, and probably soon, but I would be shocked if he went to a team like LA, Dallas, NY, Boston, or Miami.
With losing Gasol and Odom, they'd only have Bynum for a big man up front, and they couldn't get Howard in a sign-and-trade either unless Orlando's GM did serious drugs before the negotiations.
How, exactly, are they going to make it through the West, let alone to the Finals? Short answer, they won't, and even if they had another deal in place (Marc Gasol, perhaps), they probably still wouldn't have the depth they need in the big positions.
Odom still has a pretty good amount of talent, and you are definitely selling Scola short. I highly doubt any better deal is going to come for the Hornets for Paul before July 1st. And even if it did, would any GM be able to negotiate in good faith with the Hornets knowing that the deal could be yanked on a whim? Answer: doubtful.
Silver Lantern
12/10/2011, 04:19
Seriously why did they let Dan Gilbert have a team?
Same reason that people took, and still take shots at Lebron for just wanting to get as far away from that A-hole as possible... Ignorance... :cheeky:
Hey, Lebron to Miami Haters, tell me how my ### tastes? :p
Silver Lantern
12/10/2011, 04:26
Not any more. Magic filed tampering charges...holy hell. Can we put to rest now that the owners were in fact the dumber party in the lockout debacle?
Was there ever any doubt?
Paul going to the Lakers would have been David Stern admitting that nothing had changed and the players won. While it is true that the players and big market teams were the clear winners of the lockout, and that very little is going to change in the "new" system, he can't say "we have a deal that will help small markets" one day and then screw over the small market team he runs the next.
What all of this does is make me wish the small market owners had stuck to their guns and not come back without a hard cap.
Odom for Paul even with draft picks and bench players is not a fair trade. Gasol would have been closer to a fair trade.Teams want Paul and while I agree that you need to trade him before July, I think you can get a lot more than a third or fourth option that is in the latter stages of his career, a few bench players, and pick in the late stages of the first round. A basketball team only really plays 8 or 9 guys a game and only relies on 5 or 6, if the Hornets are going to trade their number one guy away they need to get someone that can come close to filling that spot. Trading one for many works in hockey or football, but in basketball it is almost always a bad move.
Also I am glad the Warriors didn't get him. I think Stephen Curry is going to come into his own as an all-star this year and I would rather build my team's hopes on a rising talent than a guy that is prone to injury.
Dude what the hell are you talking about???!!! Martin and Scola are SOLID players in this league that would start in 85% of the teams in the league. They are not bench players. This was a GREAT deal for the Hornets. They stood to gain the most from this. In 66 games, CP3 is gonna walk, and the Hornets aren't gonna get diddly squat... And when that happens, these won't be the droids they're looking for in New Orleans...
mermaidmurder
12/10/2011, 11:14
yep i agree scola and martain are real solid. both can score the ball run the floor and on top of that they would have got odom to. odom is a very good player i hate to see him get traded alot.
malakim2099
12/10/2011, 18:39
Same reason that people took, and still take shots at Lebron for just wanting to get as far away from that A-hole as possible... Ignorance... :cheeky:
Actually, I hate LeBron for the Decision and, more importantly, not letting the fans at least know that he was not returning before crushing their souls on national TV. :p
All he had to say is, "Look, Cleveland, I love you fans, but I can't win a championship here, so I'm leaving. Stay tuned to see where I WILL go!" and he would have saved himself about 95% of the grief he got.
But that's last season. This season... the Heat are skeery. I would think they are the heavy favorites right now. They have young legs, a very solid core, added support (Battier is HUGE for them), and with a strike-compressed season, that gives them a big edge.
Silver Lantern
12/10/2011, 18:56
I think the big variable will be how the compressed schedule and game spree will affect the older and injury prone teams. On the other hand, they also have a shorter season. I don't know. The heat better compete for the next 8 years after they opened their big mouths. Not one, not two, not three...
Heh, you get the picture. ;)
Jerry_Damage01
12/10/2011, 19:50
I'm curious if the CP3 deal doesn't get "reworked" (aka add a 2nd round draft pick or something to it) and it get approved. They can't just send CP3 anywhere as since it's his last year he has the right to veto any trade where he won't sign an extension.
The league has been back for a little over 24 hours and we've already had tons of excitement and things to talk about.
The Lakers even with CP3 aren't winning this year. They'll likely make the playoffs, but I would guess they are looking to get CP3 now and then hopefully add Howard in the off season. Now THAT would be scary.
Who'd have the better Big 3 then...LA or Miami?
The Howard Kobe Paul three would be better than the James Wade Bosh three. I'm curious if the CP3 deal doesn't get "reworked" (aka add a 2nd round draft pick or something to it) and it get approved. They can't just send CP3 anywhere as since it's his last year he has the right to veto any trade where he won't sign an extension.
The league has been back for a little over 24 hours and we've already had tons of excitement and things to talk about.
The Lakers even with CP3 aren't winning this year. They'll likely make the playoffs, but I would guess they are looking to get CP3 now and then hopefully add Howard in the off season. Now THAT would be scary.
Who'd have the better Big 3 then...LA or Miami?
malakim2099
12/12/2011, 00:36
The Howard Kobe Paul three would be better than the James Wade Bosh three.
Yes, but it isn't happening. I'm pretty sure that Orlando and/or NO will not let Howard and Paul go for nothing. Which means they will do trades. And the teams taking those trades will demand extensions as part of the trade. Right now it looks like the Clips are in the drivers' seat for Paul, which would be REALLY fun to see him teamed up with Blake.
i'd be ok with Chris Paul landing with the Clippers and Dwight landing with the Nets. much better than seeing them in a Lakers uniform!
Of course it's not happening. But if it did, that potential line up would be better than miami's big three.
Silver Lantern
12/12/2011, 15:13
I think Lebron & Dwade balance out with Kobe & CP3, it's the DHoward Bosh comparison that gets a little lob sided... And you can't help make it cause they're the 2 big guys, but who can you compare to Dwight in today's NBA and keep a straight face? ;)
Silver Lantern
12/12/2011, 15:15
Btw, some of you guys should consider joining the NBA fantasy league in this forum.
malakim2099
12/12/2011, 18:40
Btw, some of you guys should consider joining the NBA fantasy league in this forum.
Already there.
And wow. It really seems like the NBA wants Chris Paul to leave NO in July and get nothing back. :cheeky:
Yeah. The NBA, in it's fervor to keep Paul from a "big" market, is absolutely killing NO.
Silver Lantern
12/13/2011, 13:24
Chris Paul and Dwight Howard should go to Miami...
The hate that would spew would be unmatched in the history of sports... and it would make for great media. :p
Chris Paul and Dwight Howard should go to Miami...
The hate that would spew would be unmatched in the history of sports... and it would make for great media. :p
The paycut they would have to take would be enormous. Basically, all Miami has to offer are mini mid-level and vet minimum contracts.
But that would be so epic. (Though I already can't stand Miami and it has nothing to do with LeBron. That hate goes back to PJ Brown body slamming Charlie Ward)
Jerry_Damage01
12/13/2011, 15:42
The paycut they would have to take would be enormous. Basically, all Miami has to offer are mini mid-level and vet minimum contracts.
But that would be so epic. (Though I already can't stand Miami and it has nothing to do with LeBron. That hate goes back to PJ Brown body slamming Charlie Ward)
Knicks/Heat rivalry FTW!!!
I was an old Knicks fan back in the day so I remember that. I loved that late 90s Knicks team with Houston, Sprewell, Larry Johnson, and Patrick Ewing. The 99 playoffs are still one of my favorite playoffs because for a Knicks fan it didn't get any better than them beating the Heat in the first round and beating the Pacers and Reggier Miller in the Eastern Conference Finals.
Knicks/Heat rivalry FTW!!!
I was an old Knicks fan back in the day so I remember that. I loved that late 90s Knicks team with Houston, Sprewell, Larry Johnson, and Patrick Ewing. The 99 playoffs are still one of my favorite playoffs because for a Knicks fan it didn't get any better than them beating the Heat in the first round and beating the Pacers and Reggier Miller in the Eastern Conference Finals.
That 4 pt play was epic.
Jerry_Damage01
12/13/2011, 15:53
That 4 pt play was epic.
I remember that! Grandmama was a hero for a good while after that.
Silver Lantern
12/13/2011, 19:55
The paycut they would have to take would be enormous. Basically, all Miami has to offer are mini mid-level and vet minimum contracts.
But that would be so epic. (Though I already can't stand Miami and it has nothing to do with LeBron. That hate goes back to PJ Brown body slamming Charlie Ward)
Oh please PJ Brown was and is a stand up guy. Charles Oakley and LJ were bunch of thugs... Don't even get me started on Spree and don't make me link video of Jeff Van Gundy wrapped around Zo's ankle like a wet squirrel in a Fred Quimby cartoon... :p
Silver Lantern
12/13/2011, 19:56
That 4 pt play was epic.
That was indeed epic... I think Reggie Miller was crying inside...
mermaidmurder
12/14/2011, 22:07
well cp3 is going to the clippers. are the clippers better than the lakers now?
Silver Lantern
12/15/2011, 00:22
No... Gasol, Bynum & Kobe are still > CP3 & Griffin.
Oh please PJ Brown was and is a stand up guy. Charles Oakley and LJ were bunch of thugs... Don't even get me started on Spree and don't make me link video of Jeff Van Gundy wrapped around Zo's ankle like a wet squirrel in a Fred Quimby cartoon... :p
Most players are stand up guys. Oak nor LJ were thugs in the slightest. Oak was old school not out to be friends but win and (you know just pay him what you owe :laugh: ). Spree made a mistake was out for a year and was pretty much a model citizen in NY. His "feed my family" comment didn't go over well but he was in 'sota by then.
well cp3 is going to the clippers. are the clippers better than the lakers now?
No, Lakers size still has them a tier above the Clippers. Now that might change next year, but for right now they're still slightly below the landlords.
malakim2099
12/15/2011, 11:15
No, Lakers size still has them a tier above the Clippers. Now that might change next year, but for right now they're still slightly below the landlords.
In a normal season, I would agree. But with this strike-compressed 66-game monstrosity we have coming up? I actually think the Clips will be better this year.
Looking at the Lakers, I'm getting flashbacks to how broken down the Jazz were at the end of the last strike-compressed season. I think with the Clips youth, they have an edge, though I think the finals are going to be OKC and Miami.
anyone interested in doing a fantasy league for hcrealms members please PM me we need at least one more player!
lensnart
12/17/2011, 02:00
So it looks like saying no to the lakers was the right move after all. The players were better and a draft pick from Minnesota is huge. Everyone who was screaming at Stern looks kind of silly now. Also the deal was better for the league as it creates competition in the league's top market and adds a new franchise to the list of contenders.
i always thought it was the right movie, cos it was a total bs trade and people who disagree are nuts and have no idea about basketball/are lakers fans.
lensnart
01/24/2012, 13:14
I am loving the condensed season so far. I have been watching probably 5 or 6 games a week and the competition is outstanding this year.
The big surprises for me so far have been how good the THunder are, how well the Bulls play without Rose, and the Heat not being the dominant force of destruction we all though they would be. Also how well the Blazers have come together as a team with the loss of Roy.
The Magic are doing fine even with Howard whining for a trade. the Howard thing wouldn't bug me if he didn't say things like "I want to go to a team that I can build a future with," if he just told the truth and said "I want to go to a team that I can win with this year because what they did in Miami and Boston looks like fun," it wouldn't bug me so much. The Magic are a team that he can build a future with, with a mix of young up-and-comers like Reddick and Anderson, and solid workers like Hedo and Richardson.
I am also a bit surprised at the so-so record of the Clippers, although as they gel and get healthy i think that will change.
A few things that are not surprising:
The Nuggets are better without Carmelo. The Knicks are starting to realize that they might be better if he plays less as well, as he is getting sat a lot more in favour of guys that actually pass the ball around.
Kobe is getting his points at the expense of the Lakers. Yes they are doing fine but if they don't get guys like Gasol into the game this isn't going to last very far into the playoffs.
The Raptors are still awful. Not only are they terrible but they don't even seem to be rebuilding. They are just in a holding pattern of suck.
While I had hopes that my beloved Warriors would shock some people this year, it seems that missing out on signing Deandre Jordan or Tyson Chandler has hurt them. They really do need a big man to free up David Lee to do his thing. Also no Curry has been hard to deal with even with the solid play of Ellis.
I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop. It seems like we'll see a lot more lingering injuries this year that will be caused by lack of proper rest. I love to have so much basketball to watch everyday, but this regular season will definitely benefit teams that can go 9-10 deep.
malakim2099
01/25/2012, 11:23
I admit to being pleasantly surprised by the Jazz. I like what they are doing this year.
I'm usually not a doom and gloom guy, but without an improvement in guard play the Knicks are toast this season.
lensnart
02/03/2012, 13:25
As soon as they signed Anthony the Knicks were toast. I think the Nuggets are proving that teams are better without him then with him. He might get a lot of points but he does it selfishly like Vince Carter or Tracy McGrady used to, and just like those guys proved, you can't get far relying on that kind of player (unless he is insanely good like Wilt or Jordan).
The few times I have watched the Knicks play this season they have been at their best with Melo on the bench, the ball movement is obviously better, but it also seems like everyone hustles a bit more because they know they are part of the offence.
As for the guards letting Chauncey go is biting them in the butt. It turns out that Fields was not quite ready to do it on his own, and as much as I love Baron Davis (mostly for getting the Warriors their only decent playoff run in the past decade) even when he is cleared to play he is never going to be back at even 80 per cent of what he was, and Bibby is equally past it.
That leaves Shumpert who I think shows a lot of promise in the backcourt, but he is a rookie and still has a long way to go.
So I guess long story short. I agree with you and also Melo is awful.
Shumpert has defensive potential, but he's an SG that can pass, not a PG. Fields is what he is a SF masquerading as a SG, but his game is coming into focus now. Bibby wasn't expected to do anything but be a back up PG anyway and is being asked to do too much. The real disappointment is Toney Douglas. He's gone from solid last year to easily the worst guard to get minutes in the game.
lensnart
02/03/2012, 13:52
Ranking the top 16 NBA teams a third(ish) of the way through the season
1. Chicago: They proved to be deeper than anyone thought. Deng may be the most underrated player in the league and Rose is proving that he deserved his MVP.
2. Miami: they had a rocky start and probably won't do it if James meltsdown again, and definitely won't if Wade can't stay healthy. But with this much talent I would be silly not to rank them in the top 3.
3. Clippers: I know their W-L isn't that impressive but none of these starters played together last year so they need a bit of a grace period for growing pains. Now that they are coming together and Paul is back on the court they look awesome. They dominated OKC the other night, Griffin is living up to the hype, DJ may be the best big man in the game right now, Butler is almost back to all-star form, and you can not beat that backcourt.
4. Oklahoma City: They are good and they are exciting but they rely too much on Westbrook and Durant, and I'm still not convinced they are all the way there yet.
5. Philadephia: The big surprise in the east is getting it done on both ends with solid coaching and team play.
6. Denver: The big surprise in the west is getting it done on both ends with solid coaching and team play.
7. Atlanta: Smith and Johnson have proven that they can get it done without the big man, but just think how good they will be when Horford returns.
8. indiana: I guess Granger is a franchise player after all, and now he has a supporting cast.
9. Dallas: Even if they are a bit long in the tooth, you can't count out the champs. Although this team is not as good as last year's team, I am looking at you Carter.
10. Orlando: Howard is a bit of an occasionally dark cloud, but he is also a solid player and as much as he wants to play with another huge star he is underselling his supporting cast.
11. Lakers: Even without a quality point guard if Kobe can get his teammates involved and create a situation that can still exist without him on the court they may have something. Spoiler alert: He won't.
12. Portland: They lost their best player to early retirement and came together as a team. That kind of character can go a long way.
13. San Antonio: I know you can't ever count out this wily group of vets but with Manu on the shelf things don't look good.
14. Boston: The big 3 passed the big 30 too long ago.
15. Utah: They are better than anyone expected by a long shot but I think this is the peak of their overachieving.
16. Milwaukee: The only team on the list with a losing record. My love for Dunleavy and Jennings can almost get me over the fact that they have Jackson on the roster but let's be honest they are still the Bucks.
The real disappointment is Toney Douglas. He's gone from solid last year to easily the worst guard to get minutes in the game.
And when I say this, I mean for any team in the league.
lensnart
02/03/2012, 14:14
And when I say this, I mean for any team in the league.
It is somewhat telling that I completely forgot to even mention him.
It is somewhat telling that I completely forgot to even mention him.
I've never seen a pro player on the floor as much as he is and just know bad things are going to happen.
Like last night game. With him on the floor tons of turnovers, missed open shots. It's getting to the point where I think his confidence is gone and he'd be better served going down to the D-League and giving...*sigh* Lin those minutes. Lin, honestly, could not do worse than TD right now.
Holy hell! I should've had more faith in Lin! I know he can't keep this up but damn it's good to see an actual PG playing in a Knicks uniform.
Sorry Mal.
malakim2099
02/06/2012, 23:18
Holy hell! I should've had more faith in Lin! I know he can't keep this up but damn it's good to see an actual PG playing in a Knicks uniform.
Sorry Mal.
Well, I think Marc Stein now has an excuse to rank the Jazz like, 40th or something. :cheeky:
(Seriously, any opportunity he gets, he kills them in his "power rankings")
I'm euphoric right now. This is exciting.
JSChristy
04/16/2012, 20:32
Bumping this up with rep for my Indiana Pacers!!! 4 wins away from the 3 spot in the east. Granger is proving critics wrong. I succumbed to the Granger hating early in the season when the Eric Gordon rumors began circulating. But Granger has turned into a legit fourth quarter guy and has done a good job closing these past several games.
The athleticism of this team is going to scare teams in the east. A few bounces in different directions last year and they could have ousted the Bulls in the first round.
Also, they finally have a man in the middle!
yeah congrats to ur Pacers being consistently good all year... unfortunately my Sixers couldn't stay as consist as the Pacers :(
lensnart
04/17/2012, 00:52
The Sixers are a weird team with everyone hovering around that 10-15 ppg mark and nobody consistently stepping up. It's good because they always have options, but because they count on everyone, everyone needs to contribute every game.
They also need a legit Centre to help out the awesome forward tandem.
But no complaining about a team that is probably in the playoffs. You could be a Warriors fan like me and have your team officially give up until next season two thirds of the way through.
JSChristy
04/17/2012, 17:20
yeah congrats to ur Pacers being consistently good all year... unfortunately my Sixers couldn't stay as consist as the Pacers :(
They were scary good the early part of the season. They could be right with the Pacers IMO if nuAI would would step up and be the closer. Brand really surprised me this year as well. He shows flashes of his former Clipper self.
Evan Turner is the wild card IMO. He's the future at the two spot, and if he can have another stretch like he did earlier (around All-Star break? When he was lighting up the scoreboard) they can scare their first round opponent.
I know the Pacers have to be hoping the Magic hold on to their 6 slot right now. With the way the Knicks are playing now and Howard out for the rest of the season, that's the difference between easy breeze to the second round (Howardless Magic) and an all out war/possibly getting bounced in the first round (Knicks). I'd have to check the numbers but I don't think the 76ers can get any higher than 7th seed now.
JSChristy
04/20/2012, 23:57
I know the Pacers have to be hoping the Magic hold on to their 6 slot right now. With the way the Knicks are playing now and Howard out for the rest of the season, that's the difference between easy breeze to the second round (Howardless Magic) and an all out war/possibly getting bounced in the first round (Knicks). I'd have to check the numbers but I don't think the 76ers can get any higher than 7th seed now.
The Knicks just lost to Cleveland...
Mike Woodson will stop the Knicks by playing melo and amar'e together for long stretches. Amar'e needs to come off the bench but he won't.
I may sound like a homer, but I'm beyond confident a pacers/Knicks series may go 5 games. Sure they have melo, but pacers have more weapons and better defense.
But yeah, magic will get swept :)
Pacers needed an epic collapse by the Knicks in order to beat them last time. The two times they played them prior, the Knicks summarily dismissed them. Trust me, that series would likely go 6 in the Knicks favor or 7 in the Pacers. They want Orlando in the worst way.
malakim2099
04/21/2012, 09:10
The Knicks just lost to Cleveland...
I wouldn't put too much stock in recent wins/losses, with teams looking to rest players before the playoffs start. Unless they're in a really competitive race (see Denver/Utah/Phoenix)... the Knicks are locked into that 7-8 seed from what I can tell, barring a real epic collapse.
Yeah the magic would have to lose every game and the Knick win every game for that to happen.
Black Swan appears!
Lakers gonna need a him show up the rest of the way.
glad I stayed home to watch this game. sad i had to miss a big tournament (1st place was all 3 "Horsemen"), to do it. but, i work nights & miss tons of live games.
malakim2099
05/13/2012, 10:53
That was a pretty good Game 7 last night. Pity that Denver couldn't pull off the upset.
Very disappointed in what happened to the Bulls. But I think that's the fault of the compressed season. You'd think they'd have learned that was a bad idea from the LAST time they had a compressed season. :cheeky:
Jerry_Damage01
05/13/2012, 14:51
I was hoping Denver would pull off the win last night but it's not all bad that LA won. Now we get a drama filled series of LA and the Thunder after the Ron Artest/James Harden elbow incident.
And man what a series this Clippers/Memphis has been. This game 7 is great. I'm hoping we'll see Memphis win so we can get a Spurs/Memphis rematch from last year.
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